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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Vermillion on August 17, 2000, 12:14:00 PM
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As a couple of you know, the other day I used the F2G Super Corsair in a troll about our "next plane".
Of course I hooked many a Luftwaffe fan, and even a few others who complained about AH having too many US planes. (Ever get those hooks out? Damn them barbs must hurt (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
But the part that really suprised me was that I suggested that it be a "non-perk" aircraft, and even wiggled this little bit of bait around.
After all, it was merely a 430mph aircraft at 16,000 ft. Very slow and low for a 1945 American Fighter
And when no one bit on that, I about fell out of my seat in shock. The only thing I could figure out, was that most of you were not familiar with the F2G Super Corsair.
So here are some very basic Facts, Figures, and more Information on the F2G:
The F2G Super Corsair, or the "CornCob Corsair", began as a project of the Goodyear Corp. where they used a standard FG1 Corsair (Goodyear produced F4U-1D), and mated it with the new R-4360 engine, plus a bubble canopy. There were some rudder modifications to handle the increased torque of the new engine, but otherwise the airframe was very similar to the classic F4U-1.
The Navy originally ordered around 400 of these planes, but with the abrupt end to the war, the contract was cut down to 5 of the land based varients (F2G-1's), and 5 of the carrier varients (F2G-2's). So, along with the original 8 prototypes, there was a grand total of 18 produced (none saw combat).
So you ask, "Whats so special about this plane? It actually performed worse than the F4U-4 that came along about the same time. Only 430mph max at 16,000ft".
Let me tell you that max speed numbers can be very deceiving.
The R-4360 Engine produced around 3,500 hp with water enjection at Sea Level (WEP), where the old R-2800 produced between 2,200hp to 2,500hp. Without a major increase in airframe weight, thats a 60% increase in power!!
While I told you that the F2G had a max speed of 430mph at 16,000 ft, what I didn't tell you was that the plane has a sea level max speed of 400 mph!! At SL, thats 20 mph faster than the fastest plane in AH (Typhoon,380mph) and 33mph faster than the second fastest (P51, 367mph). Thats also faster than the Tempest V, the Tigercat, the Bearcat, and I believe the Sea Fury as well (sea level).
And climb rate? It has an initial climbrate of 4,400 ft/sec approximately the equivalent of the 109G10.
And if you use its power/weight ratio and climbrate as an indicator, its acceleration should be close to the G10.
So basically you have an aircraft thats 20mph faster than its fastest competitor (where it counts in the arena), excellent climbrate, excellent acceleration, plus the classic F4U's handling attributes and high speed characteristics.
True its at its best under 20,000 feet, but thats where the fighting in the arena takes place.
In my opinon it would definitely be one of the best possible arena aircraft that was ever made.
So you can have your Tempest, your Spit XIV, your Ta152 or Dora, even your Bearcat.
Me? I will take the old Super Corsair. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(http://www.pylon1.com/rotp/race57/thumbnails/F2G_PAXa.jpg)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 08-17-2000).]
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
As a couple of you know, the other day I used the F2G Super Corsair in a troll about our "next plane".
Of course I hooked many a Luftwaffe fan, and even a few others who complained about AH having too many US planes. (Ever get those hooks out? Damn them barbs must hurt (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
But the part that really suprised me was that I suggested that it be a "non-perk" aircraft, and even wiggled this little bit of bait around.
And when no one bit on that, I about fell out of my seat in shock. The only thing I could figure out, was that most of you were not familiar with the F2G Super Corsair.
So here are some very basic Facts, Figures, and more Information on the F2G:
The F2G Super Corsair, or the "CornCob Corsair", began as a project of the Goodyear Corp. where they used a standard FG1 Corsair (Goodyear produced F4U-1D), and mated it with the new R-4360 engine, plus a bubble canopy. There were some rudder modifications to handle the increased torque of the new engine, but otherwise the airframe was very similar to the classic F4U-1.
The Navy originally ordered around 400 of these planes, but with the abrupt end to the war, the contract was cut down to 5 of the land based varients (F2G-1's), and 5 of the carrier varients (F2G-2's). So, along with the original 8 prototypes, there was a grand total of 18 produced (none saw combat).
So you ask, "Whats so special about this plane? It actually performed worse than the F4U-4 that came along about the same time. Only 430mph max at 16,000ft".
Let me tell you that max speed numbers can be very deceiving.
The R-4360 Engine produced around 3,500 hp with water enjection at Sea Level (WEP), where the old R-2800 produced between 2,200hp to 2,500hp. Without a major increase in airframe weight, thats a 60% increase in power!!
While I told you that the F2G had a max speed of 430mph at 16,000 ft, what I didn't tell you was that the plane has a sea level max speed of 400 mph!! At SL, thats 20 mph faster than the fastest plane in AH (Typhoon,380mph) and 33mph faster than the second fastest (P51, 367mph). Thats also faster than the Tempest V, the Tigercat, the Bearcat, and I believe the Sea Fury as well (sea level).
And climb rate? It has an initial climbrate of 4,400 ft/sec approximately the equivalent of the 109G10.
And if you use its power/weight ratio and climbrate as an indicator, its acceleration should be close to the G10.
So basically you have an aircraft thats 20mph faster than its fastest competitor (where it counts in the arena), excellent climbrate, excellent acceleration, plus the classic F4U's handling attributes and high speed characteristics.
True its at its best under 20,000 feet, but thats where the fighting in the arena takes place.
In my opinon it would definitely be one of the best possible arena aircraft that was ever made.
So you can have your Tempest, your Spit XIV, your Ta152 or Dora, even your Bearcat.
Me? I will take the old Super Corsair. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(http://www.pylon1.com/rotp/race57/thumbnails/F2G_PAXa.jpg)
I've read in the "time to climb" tests between the F2G and the F8F where both averaged over 5,000fpm climb.
I've never seen a plane that could handle the F2G's intial acceleration. Of the two air racers, and the F2G that used to be kept at Scholes field. When the Wasp Major was clobbed it really set that plane a screamin. (And I swear I saw one out dive a MiG-15)
Gimme a F2G and a P-38K (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
- Jig
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Heh I want P-47M and hmmm....
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SPITXIV
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1, 2, 3, 4.... counting how long it will take RAM to find unanswered message with words SpitXIV in body (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
mx22
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Do we get one or not?
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
Indians Home page were links to help pages can be found.
Indian's Homepage (http://www.geocities.com/~tltoon)
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It was also called the Homesick Angel because it could take off and climb in very short distances and climb and climb and climb you get the picture.
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
Indians Home page were links to help pages can be found.
Indian's Homepage (http://www.geocities.com/~tltoon)
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I don't think we'll ever see the FG2. It just didn't see any action, it was never even in-Theatre. We'll see an F4U-4a next in the Corsair line, thats my guess anyway.
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 08-17-2000).]
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P47M?...PERK PLANE
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Almost an hour... you are way out of shape RAM muhahahah (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
P.S. Hmm did you search for SpitXIV or P-47M this time? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
mx22
[This message has been edited by mx22 (edited 08-17-2000).]
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Note I didn't mention the Sp... errr..."that" plane. So the time is still running (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
(BTW I was in MA killing dweebfires (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
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Where'd ya find 'em RAM?
I hardly ever see them nowadays. I killed a MkV last time I was on, but other than that all I see is P-51s, P-47s, P-38s, N1K2s, 109s and 190s.
Sisu
-Karnak
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I didn't say we would ever get one in AH(other than in a troll last week where I was obviously kidding... well not so obviously to some peopel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ).
I said that it was a damn fine aircraft and that no one in the early thread recognized its potential.
Thats it.
Please don't turn this into the typical Spit XIV vs D9/D12, crap. Its getting really old (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif) .
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 08-17-2000).]
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fek I want one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Hey karnak,
hope you get some more time to play (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) seem like a good guy and you certainly post here alot.. spend more time in the air and less on the bbs <grin>
Cya in the skies
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I want it! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) As a perk plane, of course. Please, HTC! Model this plane...
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Rendar
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As long as I get my JAS-39 Gripen as a perk plane....
(http://www.torget.se/users/m/matpe313/img0004.jpg)
Here we see a Gripen on autoclimb (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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Nah, that's just a picture of a <edit> Grippen</edit> only moments away from entering yet another death spiral...
//fats
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Heh. So far, I think 3 has been lost; 2 under development and one during a training mission. How many F-16's crashed? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And it is spelled Gripen. I know; I lived in Sweden, talk Swedish fluently and sorta like the plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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Ummm the little wing thingie goes BEHIND the big wing thingie. Somebody wanna 'splain this to the Swedes? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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LOL funked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Good thing you chaps continued with the F-22 program. With planes like the Gripen, Eurofighter, new SU's out, the US could potentially face planes that'd whoop the F-15's and F-16's.
Does the F-22 have a helmet mounted sight and those cool shoot-over-the-shoulder thrust vectoring missiles the Russians (and I hear French) are developing? And do ya have a new medium range missile otw? Just curious, because it seems the US is lagging behind in some areas (short range IR missile technology).
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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AIM9X
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now back to the original topic (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)the f2g was designed as a high-speed, fast-climbing air-superiority fighter to combat the Japanese Kamikaze threat.A test pilot"Armstrong" flew the Spitfire,P-51,firefly,P-59, Mosquito,F7F,P-38,P-63,and a captured Zero. Of all these aircraft,he said "Nothing could climb with the F2g. It had 50%more power and it was a decent performing airplane. With the same armement as the f4u-1D As i am concerned "cuz i am a hog driver (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) " hell yes i would like to have an f2g. MY buddy Ron Puckett flew the f2g at the Clevland air races and came in second "we have his trophy at my work" from Sally of the Lone Wolfs
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Originally posted by sallie:
now back to the original topic (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)the f2g was designed as a high-speed, fast-climbing air-superiority fighter to combat the Japanese Kamikaze threat.A test pilot"Armstrong" flew the Spitfire,P-51,firefly,P-59, Mosquito,F7F,P-38,P-63,and a captured Zero. Of all these aircraft,he said "Nothing could climb with the F2g. It had 50%more power and it was a decent performing airplane. With the same armement as the f4u-1D As i am concerned "cuz i am a hog driver (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) " hell yes i would like to have an f2g. MY buddy Ron Puckett flew the f2g at the Clevland air races and came in second "we have his trophy at my work" from Sally of the Lone Wolfs
I bet it would settle in better the a F8F too...
A 4 .50 version, I likes.
- Jerk
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Yeah I'm sure the furrin aircraft might whup bellybutton but it's the US pilots that do the bellybutton whuppin. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Backwards firing missiles are only good... if you let the enemy get behind you. F-22 will dictate the engagement with low observables, the best sensor suite on earth, and unprecendented cruise speeds.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 08-21-2000).]