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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Nemisis on October 12, 2009, 09:14:51 PM
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I was just reading the AHWIKI plane evaluations, and I saw they said some good things about the La-5. Are they full of crap, or is it actually a good plane :headscratch:?
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I was just reading the AHWIKI plane evaluations, and I saw they said some good things about the La-5. Are they full of crap, or is it actually a good plane :headscratch:?
Its a nice plane if you know how to fly it,but its slower than the La-7.
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Speed isn't a huge issue since its only 8mph slower than the La-7. If it were 20, then maybe...
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Speed isn't a huge issue since its only 8mph slower than the La-7. If it were 20, then maybe...
Oh i dont really fly the La-5 to much but i though it was slower i guess its about like an La-7 then.
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Its a nice plane if you know how to fly it,but its slower than the La-7.
Most of the Russian planes take some getting used to, but they're all sweet ships.
La5 took me longer than most.
- oldman
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Get ready to miss the broad side of a barn for a little bit....
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If your refering to the poor balistics of the cannons, then I already know about that. I'm looking for an alternative to my La-7, and I started reading through the AHWIKI pages and found this.... Is this one of those "alot of people knows about tactics for this" or is this one of those "I going to have to see what I come up with on my own" type deals"
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The LA5 is a fine plane. I wouldn't consider it an alternative to the LA7, because it lacks the top end speed and almost unmatchable OTD climb that make the LA7 so popular. You can't fly an LA5 like an LA7 and expect to be as successful.
But you still can be very successful in it. The LA5 is one of those great planes for "anything you can't ____ you can ____". Outturn or outrun/outclimb. Usually is the case. Also remember that you are a very small target an can afford to give crossing shots for an advantage later on. Remember too that enemies inexperienced with the LA5 will see the 5 designation and probably not give your plane much credit. They do not know that, although not a 7, it really is still a good performer. If you're looking for perks (or if ENY is too high), try the LA5 instead of the LA7, but remember that it is indeed a different a/c and you won't be as invincible.
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the la5 still accelerates almost as good, and is a nice climber. If you can deal with the torque (throttle management), you will give the unwary spits & co a nasty surprise in a turnfight.....luv it :rock
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People need to know that the speed advantage of the LA7 over the LA5 lies purely in the better aerodynamics. It's not because it has a stronger engine.
Given the fact they both weigh the same, you have the same performance in the La5 as you have in the La7 in a wide flight envelope. The only drawback is the lack of a 3-cannon option.
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Why would there be any real difference then flying in the -7?
It's not like they are drastically different aircraft.
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Why would there be any real difference then flying in the -7?
It's not like they are drastically different aircraft.
Acceleration................
The La7 gains e quicker than the La5FN. The La5FN scrubs e quicker than the La7.
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At low speed acceleration is proportional to the climb rate. Two aircraft that have the same climb rate at the same speed also have the same acceleration at that speed. The La-5FN and La-7 have almost identical climb rates at low speed (climb speed) and thus virtually the same acceleration. At high speed the La-7 will of course accelerate (and climb) faster since the La-5FN has to fight more drag.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=5&p2=42&pw=1>ype=2)
Speed isn't a huge issue since its only 8mph slower than the La-7. If it were 20, then maybe...
The actual difference is more than 20 mph.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=5&p2=42&pw=1>ype=0)
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At low speeds, LA-5 does match the LA-7's acceleration. Only above 250-300 mph the difference is getting notable. Climb & turn rates are almost identical.
http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=la5fn&p2=la7
Basically, it's a La-7 without the ability to run from everyone. It's a true fighter. If you stick with it for some time, your ability to fight in a LA-7 will probably increase too.
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I dont understand why folks think of the Russian 20mm SHVak cannon as such a poor performer. It was, and is, a fine dependable aircraft cannon with good ballistics, a real good ROF. It had far less dependability issues in real life then did the Hispano. The LA-5 might have to live with only two of them but like all the Russian fighters they are shooting from the propeller out and this is an advantage.
Ive had a lot of players, mostly in Mustangs, set auto-level-speed when 600 to 800 out from my LAs and Yaks thinking they were safe. They found out they weren't.
Thing is the 20mm SHVak was the lightest aircraft 20mm cannon of the war. And maybe the most dependable. It fired a smaller 20mm projectile just a bit slower then the "other 20mms" but they were beautifully matched to the nimble fighters they armed.
If your refering to the poor balistics of the cannons, then I already know about that. I'm looking for an alternative to my La-7, and I started reading through the AHWIKI pages and found this.... Is this one of those "alot of people knows about tactics for this" or is this one of those "I going to have to see what I come up with on my own" type deals"
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Actually the Berezin B-20 (3-gun La-7) was the lightest 20 mm aircraft cannon of the war, and by a large margin. It was essentially a up-chambered UBS 12.7 mm. It weighed less than a .50 cal and half that of the Hispano II, while firing the same 20 mm round as the ShVAK. The ShVAK wasn't anything special, weighing the same as an MG 151/20.
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Thank you. For some reason I had forgotton about the B-20. :headscratch: Actually I thought I was looking at the SHVak when in reality I was looking at the B-20s weight. A good websight
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm
Getting old and senile. :old:
:salute
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Yeah, that's my favorite "quick look-up on gun facts" site too. :aok
:salute
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I enjoy Both of these planes and in my opinion the LA5-Fn is a better all around plane. The 5 turns much better at low speed than the 7. The main difference in real life between these two planes is the 5 is half wood the wings and cowling are the only aluminum parts of the plane.
And some one said flying the 5 will make you better with the 7 this statment is true. Ignore the nay sayers and fly it around youll be suprised i think.
Edit: the engines for the planes is different as well
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I'd like to add that the la7 may have a better aerodynamics, but IMO it looses some manoeuvrability over the la5fn. Off course that isn't measurable. The twin gun does have a single advantage, its total firing time. And I always felt like twin 20mm's were enough to shoot planes down...but anyway my opinion is biased as I'm subjective, and yes I had a couple of couples of beers :angel:
In any case if you get used to the la5fn, the la7 will feel like cheating :D
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Edit: the engines for the planes is different as well
Both the La-5FN and the La-7 had the Shvetsov ASh-82FN(U) motor. La-5's and La-7's had the same engine power at the same service date (1944-45). Earlier La-5's had the carburettor fed ASh-82, and ASh-82F. The "FN" in the La-5FN's designation denotes the upgraded fuel injected engine.
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early la5's would be a pain to fly, but its alright cause you don't usually get your feet oil burnt when playin aces high at home...
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If you can deal with the torque (throttle management), you will give the unwary spits & co a nasty surprise in a turnfight.....luv it :rock
^ This is on the money. The 5 can turn nicely, most people believe it to be a power performing 7, you need to focus on torque management when turning, once you master that it's a nice surprise.
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Are you saying chop throttle to roll faster?
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Chopping throttle to reduce you turn circle when your nose is down for example, reducing the torque helps also at low speed to keep some stability...its hard to explain for me, just duel with moot sometime you'll get the picture :cry
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The LA5 is a fine plane. I wouldn't consider it an alternative to the LA7, because it lacks the top end speed and almost unmatchable OTD climb that make the LA7 so popular. You can't fly an LA5 like an LA7 and expect to be as successful.
But you still can be very successful in it. The LA5 is one of those great planes for "anything you can't ____ you can ____". Outturn or outrun/outclimb. Usually is the case. Also remember that you are a very small target an can afford to give crossing shots for an advantage later on. Remember too that enemies inexperienced with the LA5 will see the 5 designation and probably not give your plane much credit. They do not know that, although not a 7, it really is still a good performer. If you're looking for perks (or if ENY is too high), try the LA5 instead of the LA7, but remember that it is indeed a different a/c and you won't be as invincible.
I expcted that I wouldn't be as sucessful. top speed isn't as important as long as I can still run down most of my opponents. And climb rate still seems pretty solid. Is it more manuverable then the La-7? I've heard it was, and most of the times I get killed in an La-7 its due to turners I can't shake and and keep me slow.
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If your refering to the poor balistics of the cannons, then I already know about that. I'm looking for an alternative to my La-7, and I started reading through the AHWIKI pages and found this.... Is this one of those "alot of people knows about tactics for this" or is this one of those "I going to have to see what I come up with on my own" type deals"
Why try to find an alternative in a plane's older brother? If you really want a challenge fly the K4, once you hit every shot with the tater, anthing more than 30mm will be a breeze.
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Why try to find an alternative in a plane's older brother? If you really want a challenge fly the K4, once you hit every shot with the tater, anthing more than 30mm will be a breeze.
Because I've grown bored with the La-7, yet I want one with SIMMILAR characteristics. If I wanted something better then I would have asked. I want something a bit tougher yet is simmilar. I figured the planes little brother would be a good bet, but I wanted to know if others more closely matched, while still offering a chalange. Another reason I'm looking for an alternative is I keep getting slow, and then killed by better turners.
As for the K4, I've flowen it before. I haven't devoted a huge ammount of time to it though.
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Heres a link on Netaces.org.All you have to do is plug the planes in and a chart will come up so you can compare them.Its a bit dated but should give ya a general idea.
http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php
And here is another describeing the different aircraft.
http://members.shaw.ca/soda_p/models.htm
Heres a link to Spatula's page.He has a good aircraft comparison under "resources"
http://www.major.geek.nz/AKUAG
Pipz
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Are you saying chop throttle to roll faster?
Yeah in some directions, you gotta figure out which way the torque is pulling you with regards to rolling, and turning. If you're good you can use the torque to slide you around a bit, the good hawg pilots do this to great effect. But high torque at low speed can make for nasty spins.
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I'm sure Bruv will have something to say in this thread. :aok
My main man was havin' it large in the La5n this tour! I'm guessing the ride is more then capable in the hands of the right pilot. He has 118 kills for 17 deaths in it.
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OK guys thanks...
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I'm sure Bruv will have something to say in this thread. :aok
My main man was havin' it large in the La5n this tour! I'm guessing the ride is more then capable in the hands of the right pilot. He has 118 kills for 17 deaths in it.
can't you stop bragging about you guy's K/D ?
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can't you stop bragging about you guy's K/D ?
i don't think he was bragging noir, just stating facts relevant to the plane type, it is very hard to be so modest all the time when your as good as we are. :rofl *
The LA5 is a very capable fighter. The only disadvantages, as already stated in this thread, compared with the la7, is the 2 cannon setup and top speed.
From a fighting perspective i'd rather fly the LA5 but the extra cannon makes all the difference on snapshots. As for scenario preparation I'd suggest hitting up the DA furball lake. To get used to the gunnery of the cannons (aim slightly high as there is quite a drop off) Soon as you start nailing the snapshot crossing shots you should feel more comfortable.
Also if some of the guys your flying with want to practice get them together and do some wingman flying.
* if you didn't detect the poor sarcastic joke with the aid of a :rofl then yes it wasn't a serious comment and we will need to have a very up and close personal group hug before we go into battle together.
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I understand your sarcasm, not his :D
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can't you stop bragging about you guy's K/D ?
I'm not bragging, I'm just using the facts to reinforce my argument.
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I side with Bruv on this one. Now group hug before we slaughter the axis at red storm!!!!!!!!
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Both the La-5FN and the La-7 had the Shvetsov ASh-82FN(U) motor. La-5's and La-7's had the same engine power at the same service date (1944-45). Earlier La-5's had the carburettor fed ASh-82, and ASh-82F. The "FN" in the La-5FN's designation denotes the upgraded fuel injected engine.
"F" stands for "forced", meaning increased power or "WEP" In Russ., "N" is for direct injection. Most of Soviet radial engines were developed from Wright R-1820,it was kind of basic pattern for ASh-82.
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KgB, I'm confused; did you correct something in my post or just add to it?
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KgB, I'm confused; did you correct something in my post or just add to it?
Neither:)
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uh... allrightythen.
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By the way, folks, the La-5 is one of the planes being flown in the Red Storm scenario, which is running each Saturday for the next 4 Saturdays.
I invite anyone who wants to fly the La-5 to come check out the scenario as a walkon -- ask for Brooke, and I'll let you know if we have any spots available.
Details on the scenario are here:
http://ahevents.org/pacific-theatre/current-or-next-scenario.html
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lol, pop-up's, I hate pop-up's. *nem clicks on the close button*.
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lol, pop-up's
You mean on ahevents.org? I don't see any pop ups on the ahevents.org.
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No, just that your post reminded my of a pop up a little bit ago.....