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Title: BF 109 F-1/R1
Post by: DREDIOCK on October 16, 2009, 07:06:13 PM
20 mm MG 151 cannon mounted in a gondola under each wing

Gimme my gondies back  :D
Title: Re: BF 109 F-1/R1
Post by: Karnak on October 16, 2009, 08:03:16 PM
Didn't the Bf109F-1 and F-2 have an MG151/15 15mm hub gun?
Title: Re: BF 109 F-1/R1
Post by: Lusche on October 16, 2009, 08:20:00 PM
If I recall correctly, the F-1 had not even the MG 151/15, but still the old MG/FF. the 151/15 appeared with the F-2. The F-4 (and re-equipped F-3) were the first ones with the 151/20.
Title: Re: BF 109 F-1/R1
Post by: Anaxogoras on October 17, 2009, 12:10:15 AM
I hate the F-2 in Il-2 1946.  Trying to shoot down an Il-2 with one of those things requires almost the entire 15mm clip.  It's no wonder many pilots preferred the 109E.
Title: Re: BF 109 F-1/R1
Post by: DREDIOCK on October 17, 2009, 12:53:07 AM
If I recall correctly, the F-1 had not even the MG 151/15, but still the old MG/FF. the 151/15 appeared with the F-2. The F-4 (and re-equipped F-3) were the first ones with the 151/20.

BF 109 F-1/R1 had gondies
Title: Re: BF 109 F-1/R1
Post by: Lusche on October 17, 2009, 12:59:04 AM
BF 109 F-1/R1 had gondies

There was no F-1/R. And again, at the time the F-1 was introduced, the 109 still carried MG/FF's.

You (or your source) are confusing it with the F-4/R-1 - our F-4 with gondolas. But only very few of them were actually produced. The need for heavy firepower at the expense of performance came later during the war, not in 41/42.
Title: Re: BF 109 F-1/R1
Post by: Anaxogoras on October 17, 2009, 01:03:18 AM
I agree with the mollusk.  Show us a picture of a 109F-1 with gondolas.  I've never seen one.
Title: Re: BF 109 F-1/R1
Post by: DREDIOCK on October 17, 2009, 07:34:23 AM


You (or your source) are confusing it with the F-4/R-1 - our F-4 with gondolas.

You may be right. My bad

Ok give me that one then

Hell I know It aint gonna happen anyway. Just wishful thinking.
While I can still fly the hell out of our current 109F. From a maneuvering standpoint I actually liked the performance hit it caused it and was able to use it to my advantage.
Title: Re: BF 109 F-1/R1
Post by: Anaxogoras on October 17, 2009, 09:53:00 AM
An F4 with gondolas was a very rare bird, almost as rare as a 3-cannon La-7. ;)
Title: Re: BF 109 F-1/R1
Post by: DREDIOCK on October 17, 2009, 09:59:52 AM
An F4 with gondolas was a very rare bird

Yes, rare indeed
240 of them
Title: Re: BF 109 F-1/R1
Post by: Krusty on October 17, 2009, 06:09:22 PM
240? I seem to recall the number "1000" thrown around, meaning the 109Fs left the factory with a wing capable of carrying the gondola, not that they actually did.