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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Rendar on August 23, 2000, 03:06:00 PM
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Good plane for strafing and general ground attack, still a ways away from "Uber". Over 2000 of these were produced during WWII, and I think it would make a nice addition to the AH planeset. I was thinking of the late model (WWII) A-26B-66-DL. This one was made for the PTO. It's ventral turret was delelted for extra fuel capacity. This version would be useful for the water terrain that we're supposed to get in 1.05. There were 14 forward firing .50 cals (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif). Please model this HTC!
Specification of Douglas A-26B-60-DL Invader:
Powerplant:
Two Pratt & Whitney R-2800-79 air-cooled radials, each rated at 2000 hp for takeoff, 2350 hp with water injection.
Performance:
Maximum speed 355 mph at 15,000 feet. Cruising speed 284 mph.
An altitude of 10,000 feet could be attained in 8.1 minutes.
Service ceiling 22,100 feet.
Normal range 1400 miles, maximum range 3200 miles.
Dimensions:
Wingspan 70 feet 0 inches, length 50 feet 8 inches, height 18 feet 6 inches, wing area 540 square feet.
Weights:
22,362 pounds empty, 26,000 pounds loaded, 41,800 pounds maximum.
Armament:
Eight forward-firing 0.50-inch machine guns in nose. Three 0.50-inch machine guns mounted in each of the outer wing panels. Two 0.50-inch machine guns in remotely-controlled dorsal turret. Two 0.50-inch machine guns in remotely-controlled ventral turret. An internal bomb load of 4000 pounds could be carried. Maximum total bomb load of 6000 pounds.
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Rendar
[This message has been edited by Rendar (edited 08-23-2000).]
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Bleh.
Lets lay off the American aircrat requests for awhile and allow some more non-US stuff to be added. I think we want this to be Aces High, not Americans High. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sisu
-Karnak
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Which is why I hinted that it should be modeled in 1.05, when we get the ships and stuff. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) HTC will have 1.04 Patch 1, 2, 3, and maybe 4 to add some non-US planes.
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Rendar
[This message has been edited by Rendar (edited 08-23-2000).]
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Already knew you have Odessa in USA but Moscow too ?
Hmph... You guys bought Alaska so why not (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
About the planes in AH:
My guess is that most of players don't take it too serious what planes HTC is gonna model next (at least I dont).
Just keep 'em coming and I promise I fly everyone of them.
(Yep, XIV too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)).
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Yep, I'd prefer the A26 version with the 20mm turret....
BUT, I'd sooner have a Mosquito or Beaufighter (got to keep mentioning them!!). Beaufighter is perfect for anti-shipping! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Regards
'Nexx'
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Hah, finally some support for my Invader promotional campaign (or maybe yours). Although the 'Americans High' stuff is noted (a hundred times min) I'd still opt for the a-26.
One: it's so beautiful.
Two:it fits right between jabo's and buffs
Three: Yes there are many US planes in AH, as were there in RL
Four: It will be lots and lotsa fun to fly
Five: it's so beautiful
By the way, I definately want the turret modeled, maybe it could be an option like gondolas?
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Oh Jeez, if I only had a rearview mirror!
Bies
(http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Adventure/5503/ww2planes/huricane.jpg)
And bring the A26 and Hurricane (Mk IIC/D) to AH!!!
[This message has been edited by YankeeStation (edited 08-23-2000).]
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Some great info on this plane from the USAF Museum: http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/attack/a4/attack4.htm (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/attack/a4/attack4.htm)
Here's a nice shot of a -66-DL
(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/attack/a4/b26b-2.jpg)
Yes that's 5 rockets and 3 fifties on each wing. 2 more rockets or a 500 lb bomb could be carried in place of the drop tank. If rockets were deleted, two 500 lb bombs could be carried per wing.
This in addition to the 4000 lb internal bombload and the 10 fifties in the fuselage!
And on a plane that, with water injection, was only marginally slower on the deck than most axis fighters.
Don't forget the C model either. This carried the same armament except for the nose guns, but had a glass nose with a Norden sight. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
The Invader is the kind of plane I love - a big twin with lots of weapons. I also hope to see Ju 88C-4, Il-10, Ki-102, and other kick bellybutton attack planes in the future. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 08-23-2000).]
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Rendar don't forget that the dorsal turret was usually locked forward to give 16 forward firing guns. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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With the ventral turret removed, you get a bit more speed, and more range due to the extra fuel. Besides, with all of the turrets, the moron ack-starrers would fin it a perfect platform. Fast, tough, just make passes over a field...you get my point.
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Rendar
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So far HTC have done a good job modeling the visibility and range of motion of gun positions. So the A-26 gunner will have a very limited field of view and limited traverse. Basically the guns are only good for a bandit crawling up your 6.
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I want both turrents flared over, and no internal ordinance (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
A-26 has some down right scary gun packages for sure. 8 up front, 6 in the wings, and/or 2 gun wing pods.
It is my all-time favorite plane. If modeled in AH I'd really like the deletion of the lower turrent, or both all togather. (Yanno, true attack plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) and limit the internal ordinance to the 100 and 250 pounders.
I drool at the though of this baby (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) flew it for 5 years in Air Warrior, and I've been in Vader withdrawel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
- Jig
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Originally posted by Jigster:
and limit the internal ordinance to the 100 and 250 pounders.
If a plane could carry it in real life with out modification, I want HTC to model it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) If you don't want to carry bombs, just dump them after taking off. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Rendar
[This message has been edited by Rendar (edited 08-23-2000).]
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Originally posted by Rendar:
If a plane could carry it in real life with out modification, I want HTC to model it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) If you don't want to carry bombs, just dump them after taking off. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
I just want the cleanest configuration possible (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Few ack eggs and strafe the rest, yanno (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
- Jig
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Would make an excellent arena plane !
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Why not just carry the bombs you wish? Some people want 500's, some 250's.
On another note, I do want to remove the ventral turret. This would limit the number of ackstars, and it would extend it's range.
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Rendar
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<drools>
The only plane I can think of that comes close is the B25J Special Model.
I want both (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Anyway Rendar, I doubt that anyone would use it as a "ackstar", more likly they would use it as a oversized F4U-1C (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) and vulch. If we get it, I want BOTH turrets. =) And you don't need the extra fuel in AH, I can fly my B17 or B26 to 10k, bomb a base, come back home, and still have fuel to burn.
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The point is that I want the newest version modeled (-66-DL). That version had the ventral turret removed for more fuel.
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Rendar
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Ok, but I want the one with more guns (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) hehe maybe HT will model both
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I goofed on the C model. The C actually had two nose guns. A-26C-45-DT and later planes had 6 wing guns, both turrets, and 2 nose guns. Plus the Norden and the same internal and underwing ordnance as the late B models. I want that one. 10 forward firing guns is enough for me, and the Norden would be useful. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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HTC could model several different versions. It would not be too hard, just a bit of art modifications, a small change in the FM. We can get both the A-26B-66-DL and the A-26C. Pyro, HiTech, any input?
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Rendar
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I would think that 16 forward firing .50in(probably with about 5000rnds of ammo), 8-14 5in HVAR's and/or 8-12 500lb bombs is a bit too much for one plane to have... The damn thing would be able to take down a small airbase all by itself! Would that be a good thing?
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Hell Yeah
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Originally posted by juzz:
I would think that 16 forward firing .50in(probably with about 5000rnds of ammo), 8-14 5in HVAR's and/or 8-12 500lb bombs is a bit too much for one plane to have... The damn thing would be able to take down a small airbase all by itself! Would that be a good thing?
Vader was an either/or plane...
the bay was rather small, most of the big stuff was external.
1 turrent, 8 .50's, and a small payload is all I ask (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It's gonna be pure fighter with (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
OTH it's a freakin slug with full ordinance, lots of drag from dual turrents, rockets and eggs.
- Jig
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Jig, most of the big stuff was INternal. The internal bay held 8 x 500 lb bombs. Only 2000 lbs of ordnance could be carried externally. The external ordnance could be carried with the full internal bombload. Yes it was a slug in that config, which is why it had water injection and 4700 hp!!! Sorry if this spoils your A-26 fighter fantasies.
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Originally posted by funked:
Jig, most of the big stuff was INternal. The internal bay held 8 x 500 lb bombs. Only 2000 lbs of ordnance could be carried externally. The external ordnance could be carried with the full internal bombload. Yes it was a slug in that config, which is why it had water injection and 4700 hp!!! Sorry if this spoils your A-26 fighter fantasies.
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Sheesh, that bay sure looked stuffed with 10 mock 100 pounders (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Time to go find out that plane's model number, maybe different ordinance system...
But oh well. No rockets, no eggs, one flared over turrent, bout half of the normal ammo load, I reckon I can give a Zeke a run for his money (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Least vertical anyway...thing outta hold energy like like a 38.
- Jig
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I'm sure it could carry 100 pounders too.
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Could it carry a truck? I don't think so!
(http://hep2.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/tu-2-gaz-sh2p181-prec.jpg)
Tu-2 with GAZ-67B light truck in the bomb bay.
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LOL !!
If you're forced to ditch you could always drive back to home (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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This plane wouldn't be an overkill. Remember that the version that carrier 16 .50 cals pointed forward is the one with out the Norden. No dive brakes on it, so dive bombing would be risky. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Rendar
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Yep we need some -2's.
Il-2
Pe-2
Tu-2
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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For anti shipping we need beaufighter & SM79, ju 88 is on the way..also some japaness stuff to0,