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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: whels on October 17, 2009, 01:43:27 PM
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kool planes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCBJgOohQcQ&feature=related
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Yea, All of those guys are playing with at least 5Gs, and those A10s over 10. Gotta have a lot of money to play with that.
The Mako's,BTW, are a group down in Miami that a couple of us here in the Cape are close with. That American colored F-100 was one of the pilots with the Mako's and I have reall got to know him well, and he is probably the best Jet pilot I have seen.
Cool stuff.
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i want to make a 1/12 scale 737. but i really want to make a 1/12-1/20 scale jet model of every airplane boeing has made plus every variant... need to start playing the loto more...
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Yea, All of those guys are playing with at least 5Gs, and those A10s over 10. Gotta have a lot of money to play with that.
The Mako's,BTW, are a group down in Miami that a couple of us here in the Cape are close with. That American colored F-100 was one of the pilots with the Mako's and I have reall got to know him well, and he is probably the best Jet pilot I have seen.
Cool stuff.
dude....you need to do those guys a favor........go teach em to land....and teach em what the rudder is for.
beautiful aircraft, but very poorly flown i think.
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Airplanes like that Have no lift, and when your flying in the third person like we are, it makes it really tricky to get the spool time just right so that you can get a good landing. I honestly think that the best way to lnd those is really, REALLY fast, although I have never flown one. I mean, I even do that now with the props, come in with a lot of speed to keep the airplane from stalling.
It's kind of new, it really got popular in the past couple of years and people are still learing a lot of things. If you want to see a good flight, find the 3 Komets in Europe fling around on Youtube with turbines. Ever seen a full power touch and go with no wheels? Yea.
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Airplanes like that Have no lift, and when your flying in the third person like we are, it makes it really tricky to get the spool time just right so that you can get a good landing. I honestly think that the best way to lnd those is really, REALLY fast, although I have never flown one. I mean, I even do that now with the props, come in with a lot of speed to keep the airplane from stalling.
It's kind of new, it really got popular in the past couple of years and people are still learing a lot of things. If you want to see a good flight, find the 3 Komets in Europe fling around on Youtube with turbines. Ever seen a full power touch and go with no wheels? Yea.
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i keep my pony, and my hangar 9 t34 fast on final......i chop throttle to idle as i cross the fence. my sport planes, i fly final much slower.
the couple jet pilots we have, pretty much seem to grease em on......it's like you said.......gotta keep em fast. chop throttle, and flare.........
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I fly a turbine F/A-18, and an F-86, and yes, exactly that, keep it fast, and be prepared to exaggerate your flare over the norm... it takes a bit to get used to but with practice you can grease em in.
Although with the F/A-18 it has scale oleo struts on it, so i tend to make a scale like landing with it, allowing it to settle rather hard onto the mains as per a carrier style landing.
Sol
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Sol, how does the fuel get to the engine? Piston engines have a pressure feed, due jets have one also?
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Sol- We need pictures!
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I had a few gasoline powered props, one was a cessna 172R, man I LOVED that plane.
Freakin Hurricane IKE had to wash it away :furious :furious
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Well, Don't have pics of the F-86, but here are a couple of the 25+ planes, and 5 helis I have hehe
My F4U-1A (the one in the 2nd row)
(http://photos.bravenet.com/389/645/485/1201097795.jpg)
46% Hangar 9 Ultimate Biplane with a DA-180 for power (yellow and white one)
(http://photos.bravenet.com/389/645/485/136CEFD072.jpg)
My 1/5th scale pony during our annual R/C airshow, during the WWII Tribute/reenactment
(http://photos.bravenet.com/389/645/485/D6AE4E78BB.jpg)
And the Yellow aircraft F/A-18 modified for twin Jetcat P-80 turbines, rather than the standard single 120... low pass at about 180mph
(http://photos.bravenet.com/389/645/485/93E5AAB2AE.jpg)
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Sol, how does the fuel get to the engine? Piston engines have a pressure feed, due jets have one also?
Jets have a complete electronic engine control unit, with fuel pumps and everything... there is a LOT more involved in flying a turbine than a gasser or glow bird, which is why I don't fly mine a ton... for every flight you spend 20-40 minutes preparing a turbine for the flight, whereas with gasser/glow you spend approx 5.
Don't get me wrong, I love my jets, but if I just want a relaxing day @ the field, I take one of my giant scale aerobats, a warbird, and a heli to the field.
(although the helis are very maintenance intensive as well)
Sol
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Is it just me, or is that hornet fuselage deforming badly? There is a dent just below the aft part of the canopy and the lower fuselage lines look bent nose-down starting just behind the aft part of the canopy...
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it does look that way in the photo eagl, although I don't believe it is... the fuse is fiberglass and carbon fiber... should not be deforming at all... I have never seen any damage in that area, I looked ery closely at it after seeing this photo, does not appear to be any problems. So far, I have not found someone who can gt another photo that clear of it in flight during a high speed pass to check to see if it is just a shadow or somethign in THAT photo. But, As I said, I inspected it, and found no signs of any problems in that area of the fuse.
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Yea, I fly everything with power all the way until I'm on the ground, it pretty much has become my elevator and the way I fly. You'll catch me a couple of times saying, "As long as I have aeilorons and Throttle I can fly it." Takes a lot of patience and time to learn how to fly like that. Most people like to get to the runway and cut the throttle, but that really dosn't result in a very smooth landing, because of the stall.
Like I said, Jets you have to be like 3 steps ahead of it, were as in gas powerd you only need to be 1 step to be decent, (although I think 3 ahead, myself) which again takes a lot of time and practice to get any good with a jet.
Sol, even though it takes a lot to set them up and get ready for them, I think you also worry about the money, that had to have costed you at least 8Gs, and that may be a gross under value then what you have put into it. I think the minimum of a decent jet motor is what, 3 or 4Gs. lol
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Yes, they are QUITE expensive... that F/A-18 i have around 10k in... however, some of my giant scale stuff can be nearly as expensive.. yet in the end, more fun to fly simply because of the less "prep time" required... I also have a ball with my cheap electric stuff as well.. and its true, I find myself doing things witht he electrics I would never CONSIDER with the pricier models... heck.. a few of us have electric F-16s from Phase 3 (do abt 80-100mph stock) (some of you have seen mine from the dayton gathering), and we use these in "combat" where the goal is to physically ram the other guy out of the air.... airframes are only about 40 bucks for these, and all the electronics can be transferred in about 20 minutes, allowing for this kind of idiotic, yet fully entertaining activity lol
Sol
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Yea, I find it just as fun to fly the smaller stuff, a much as I do with the bigger thing. Still though my big stuff is and will always be the the most fun, because they are the most complex when it comes to flying the airplane.
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Jets have a complete electronic engine control unit, with fuel pumps and everything... there is a LOT more involved in flying a turbine than a gasser or glow bird, which is why I don't fly mine a ton... for every flight you spend 20-40 minutes preparing a turbine for the flight, whereas with gasser/glow you spend approx 5.
(although the helis are very maintenance intensive as well)
Sol
this, along with money, is why i don't even attempt to fly jets. it takes too much work to have fun with them.
helis on the other hand, i haven't found to need any more maintenance than my regular airplanes. i clean em after every flight, check the tail rotor belt, check all the connections around the swashplate, and wait for the next flight. :D :airplane:
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this, along with money, is why i don't even attempt to fly jets. it takes too much work to have fun with them.
helis on the other hand, i haven't found to need any more maintenance than my regular airplanes. i clean em after every flight, check the tail rotor belt, check all the connections around the swashplate, and wait for the next flight. :D :airplane:
Hopefully after I get back from Boot camp (In August) I'll be able to invest in a jet. I have decided that my first jet will be one of those Super Bandits, after our jet show last week, those looked the coolest and easiest to fly.
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I got a couple of those cheapo FA-18 foam EDFs from hobby lobby. I got one RTF so I wouldn't have to worry about the radio, and one ARF for parts and in case I decide to upgrade the kit for more power/endurance, better servos, put in a real radio, etc.
I think I'm just going to glue up the first one as-is, and see how it flies. I'll probably fly it until I crash it. I have a new airtronics RDS8000 that I can use for the second one, but the dang 2.4 airtronics receivers are still $80 each :( I also bought a 2100mah lipo to replace the 1300mah lipo that comes with the kit. It'll require a little bulkhead carving to get the CG right but supposedly the extra battery capacity more than makes up for the extra power required to keep it up in the air with the heavier weight battery, so that will be my first experiment.
I'm debating putting clear packing tape on all the leading edges before the first flight, as well as on the undersides of the wingtips. Any thoughts on if adding the tape to a cheapo foamy is worth the extra weight?
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I got a couple of those cheapo FA-18 foam EDFs from hobby lobby. I got one RTF so I wouldn't have to worry about the radio, and one ARF for parts and in case I decide to upgrade the kit for more power/endurance, better servos, put in a real radio, etc.
I think I'm just going to glue up the first one as-is, and see how it flies. I'll probably fly it until I crash it. I have a new airtronics RDS8000 that I can use for the second one, but the dang 2.4 airtronics receivers are still $80 each :( I also bought a 2100mah lipo to replace the 1300mah lipo that comes with the kit. It'll require a little bulkhead carving to get the CG right but supposedly the extra battery capacity more than makes up for the extra power required to keep it up in the air with the heavier weight battery, so that will be my first experiment.
I'm debating putting clear packing tape on all the leading edges before the first flight, as well as on the undersides of the wingtips. Any thoughts on if adding the tape to a cheapo foamy is worth the extra weight?
i just bought a tigershark ducted fan last week....rtf. it came with a 2.4ghz rx in it....so i need to get the module for my jr radio now.
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The turbine powered jets had always been my ultimate gotta get RC plane for me for years, just have to justify the total cost of one, Currently i own 1/5 scale, P-51 D Miss America , 1/5 Scale Corsair, 1/5 scale Ki-84, 1/5 scale A6m5, and a Cessna to get me warmed up before i fly the HotRods lol, Just got a delivery 2 days ago its my B25-J Mitchell and 2 OS 65's to power it, 12 servos altogether, Fuselage is 58 inches long wingspawn of 84inches, when i start the build ill start a thread showing its build. Ive noticed there is enough room to make a fully funtional bomb bay doors, might need a extra sevo for that.
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The turbine powered jets had always been my ultimate gotta get RC plane for me for years, just have to justify the total cost of one, Currently i own 1/5 scale, P-51 D Miss America , 1/5 Scale Corsair, 1/5 scale Ki-84, 1/5 scale A6m5, and a Cessna to get me warmed up before i fly the HotRods lol, Just got a delivery 2 days ago its my B25-J Mitchell and 2 OS 65's to power it, 12 servos altogether, Fuselage is 58 inches long wingspawn of 84inches, when i start the build ill start a thread showing its build. Ive noticed there is enough room to make a fully funtional bomb bay doors, might need a extra sevo for that.
that'd be cool to see. :aok :aok
the one guy in our club, had said he had something like 15k invested in his first jet.
too rich for my blood. too much work too. o yea....he eventually crashed it. :cry
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yea you can easily sink $1,800(used) up to $8,000(new) on just the turbine engine depending on the workmanship put into the Turbine, and most required maintenance every 20 to 25 hours (don't know what the maintenance cost is) like i said its my dream plane, but just not yet lol
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I just started a build on a yellow aircraft P-38L, gunna put 2 Evolution 23 gassers in it... if anyone is intersted id be glad to runa periodic build thread in here as I make progress...
Sol
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I just started a build on a yellow aircraft P-38L, gunna put 2 Evolution 23 gassers in it... if anyone is intersted id be glad to runa periodic build thread in here as I make progress...
Sol
Im starting a build on a B25-J mitchell, maybe we can do a joint post in the future
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Im starting a build on a B25-J mitchell, maybe we can do a joint post in the future
Sure.. sounds good.
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I just started a build on a yellow aircraft P-38L, gunna put 2 Evolution 23 gassers in it... if anyone is intersted id be glad to runa periodic build thread in here as I make progress...
Sol
DOOOOOD!!!
keep us informed. i was on their website last week, and was seriously contemplating this model. :aok
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I know Cap i seen a nice P38 i wanted, BUT if i fly it any way like i do in AcesHigh, ill compress that bad boy first flight lol so i went with the B25-J , Sol I've heard good things about those Evo motors, seen a article about my B25 where they used two Evo 32's to power the plane, but when i got it here it the Manual recommended at least 52's so i went with 60's.. Eh more power lol
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the evo 23 is 23cc.. ignition motor :)
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the evo 23 is 23cc.. ignition motor :)
:::drools:::: you lucky dog :cheers:
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that's a baby gas motor lol... the Ultimate biplane (up top) Has a DA-170 (170cc gas engine) on it!
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Would love it Sol. We're (Me and my grandpa) are currently working on a Dehavialnd Beaver (for hm) and then next up will be a Stuka (for both) then it goes on to my all time favorite, a FW190D-9 from Meister 101'' with a Quadra 100 in it. I'm sooo excited for that, I've been wanting one of those since I started flying 7 years ago lol.
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I have two RC birds of my own, an electric heli and an EDF A-10. The hali is an Esky Dauphin, needs a new body kit after a not-so-bad crash that crumpled that tail of the wimpy plastic shell (Macer's got an AH-64 that looks like it could take a .50 on the nose and stay up) and the EDF A-10 uses two underpowered motors that will barely hold the thing up. Though I won't be replacing them. I do need a new servo, though. Over torqued the nose gear control on the A-10 during construction so it's got no gear on it right now. The electronics are pretty jank, too. Point the antenna at it and control goes bye-bye. Damn thing had a heck of a fracture going up the right side from the wing root past the ventral spine. Put some glue in there and she was good to go.
Macer also has an EDF jet, which is by NO means underpowered. He hasn't even finished the thing. I told him not to buy the friggin EF2000, he wouldn't be able to fly it. But does he listen? No. A beginner with a delta winged beast sitting on a monster fan. While I went with the nice and tame three channel attack jet.
I also got to see an AT-6A Texan at the Texas History Museum today while I was there for my BEST robotics practice meet. Was nice, seemed authentic. Had a Pratt & Whittney R-1345 on the beak and a Hamilton Standard prop. Wings were nixed, though.
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I have 2 foam airplanes currently, a Art-tech P-51 and a F9F EDF. They are a blast to fly which is getting a little rare these days, but fun and cheap. Eventually I plan to pick up a Mig-15 EDF and another WWII warbird and I will be happy.
The foam planes handle pretty well and do everything I want them to do. Have gotten both from hobby lobby, the Mig I plan on getting from banana hobby.
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I have 2 foam airplanes currently, a Art-tech P-51 and a F9F EDF. They are a blast to fly which is getting a little rare these days, but fun and cheap. Eventually I plan to pick up a Mig-15 EDF and another WWII warbird and I will be happy.
The foam planes handle pretty well and do everything I want them to do. Have gotten both from hobby lobby, the Mig I plan on getting from banana hobby.
alpha models makes some incredible foam warbirds.
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as im just looking into this for now, but what are some good, rather hard materials that can be used to construct jets. im thinking along the lines of either fiberglass or composites. i want to use them to construct the majority of my first project (when i start it) also what companies make rather large jet engines. links would be appreciated if possible.
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Google for tower hobbies, hobby lobby, hobby people. If you're into fabricating from scratch, buy bulk foam and a hot wire cutter. Hot wire the foam into rough shape, sand it to final shape, then fiberglass over it. Embed carbon fiber if you only want to use a very thin/light fiberglass shell. If you want strength and don't mind a little extra weight, have the fiberglass stick to the foam and carve out room for the guts. If you need more room, put a releasing agent (gel stuff) on the foam before glassing over it, and then the foam core just pops out leaving a fiberglass shell. To do it really well, you'll want to vacuum bag your composite layups especially if you use multiple layers of composites (like fiberglass over carbon fiber) to prevent delamination.
There are other plastics you can mold. Many people will carve stuff (like canopies) out of wood, and then melt a sheet of plastic over it in an oven (don't use wife's oven, buy a cheapo one and put it in the garage).
All of that stuff should be available at the R/C hobby stores online. If you need help or larger equipment, you might also consider going to a car modification shop (the kind that turn $13,000 hondas into $30,000 pieces of $h17) because they may have a skilled fiberglass guy and might let you use their shop for a small fee. Vacuum ovens for curing composites are expensive, but you won't need one of those unless you get really exotic.
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ok will look into that...
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Real men build balsa wood models and then convert them to electric. :D
I am hoping to do something like this, I am working on a balsa wood P-40 at the moment. My P-51 was, unfortunately, crushed by a mattress.
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Real men build balsa wood models and then convert them to electric. :D
I am hoping to do something like this, I am working on a balsa wood P-40 at the moment. My P-51 was, unfortunately, crushed by a mattress.
why were you trying to fly a mattress?????????
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He wished he could sleep while flying. The genie apparently granted his wish.
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He wished he could sleep while flying. The genie apparently granted his wish.
:neener: :rofl
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Actually my mother was moving a mattress out of my room for some reason, dropped it, and hit the P-51.
Of course I had to give my balsa wood creation a proper sending off... with plenty of lighter fluid. It looked better on fire than sitting on some desk anyway :devil.