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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BaldEagl on October 23, 2009, 12:21:57 AM
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I was just reading one of the threads on WWI which devolved into a discussion of the EW arena which got me to thinking.
As much as I sometimes love taking an EW ride up in LW I was wondering how many of the EW plane models were actually still in service during the LW period. That lead me to take a quick glance at Wikipedia. The Hurri Mk II wasn't introduced until 1940 and in limited numbers with the IIC entering service in 1941. That still doesn't tell me how long the Mk I was in service. I also don't remember specifically what periods the arenas are supposed to cover.
The A6M2 was introduced in 1940 with the A6M5 being introduced to combat the F6F-5. Again, I couldn't find actual service dates but admittedly I didn't look too hard.
The reason I was looking at this was that just maybe the plane sets should be seperate with a transition in the MW arena (i.e. EW planes in EW and MW, MW planes in MW and LW and LW planes in LW only).
Maybe it still wouldn't be historically correct (i.e. everything against everything) but might be slightly closer to reality to do it this way. Again, I don't know the service histories so I could be entirely wrong.
I know that if the EW planes at least were not available in the LW arena I'd take the time to fly a few flights in EW or MW, neither of which I have visited since the scoring split. I have to admit I sometimes miss the EW vs EW plane match-ups.
Anyway, I know many will oppose this (I've been one of those in the past) but it's just a thought and I thought I'd post it for discussion.
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I know that if the EW planes at least were not available in the LW arena I'd take the time to fly a few flights in EW or MW, neither of which I have visited since the scoring split.
I couldn't disagree with your idea more.
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I like your idea.
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Can't say I like it, I'm having a great time taking EW rides like the P-39D and P-38G up in the LW and seeing how I fair.
Which for the record is poorly. :D
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Interesting idea, but I'd have to say no. I honestly don't think EW's lack of population has too much to do with EW birds being available in MW and LW.
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Anyway, I know many will oppose this (I've been one of those in the past) but it's just a thought and I thought I'd post it for discussion.
I think it's an excellent idea; it was the way things started out, and I've always thought that allowing all planes in the LW arenas was a mistake that killed the earlier periods.
The biggest reason I can see for not changing it back now, though, is the complication with that side-balancing formula that the late-war people are always complaining about.
- oldman
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The A6M2 was introduced in 1940 with the A6M5 being introduced to combat the F6F-5. Again, I couldn't find actual service dates but admittedly I didn't look too hard.
The reason I was looking at this was that just maybe the plane sets should be seperate with a transition in the MW arena (i.e. EW planes in EW and MW, MW planes in MW and LW and LW planes in LW only).
Maybe it still wouldn't be historically correct (i.e. everything against everything) but might be slightly closer to reality to do it this way. Again, I don't know the service histories so I could be entirely wrong.
I know that if the EW planes at least were not available in the LW arena I'd take the time to fly a few flights in EW or MW, neither of which I have visited since the scoring split. I have to admit I sometimes miss the EW vs EW plane match-ups.
Anyway, I know many will oppose this (I've been one of those in the past) but it's just a thought and I thought I'd post it for discussion.
your posts usually make much more sense sir.
there's nothing stopping you right now, from going to ew to take a ride. :aok
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The biggest reason I can see for not changing it back now, though, is the complication with that side-balancing formula that the late-war people are always complaining about.
- oldman
Sarcasm? If so, nice one. :cool:
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I like to fly the P-39 and while it's tough in the LW, there is never enought folks in the EW to get me into that arena. So I'd end up having to fly a different plane. So while the idea is interesting, I think I'd vote no.
Vinkman
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I kinda like that idea but,I just have a feeling that we won't get it.
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I understand your idea, but I disagree wholeheartedly. The EW and to a lesser extent the MW need to survive on their own. No need to cramp the "fun zone" (LW) to prop up the least populated arenas.
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-1 I don't think EW plane availability is the problem.
Nice that your looking for fixes though.
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Personally, I think the current arena set-up blows and is unsuccessful.
IMO, a better idea would be to have arenas separated by type of game play or theater.
ie: a pacific arena, a western front arena, and an eastern front arena.
Give players distinct choices, instead of MA, MA light, and MA ultralight.
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Personally, I think the current arena set-up blows and is unsuccessful.
IMO, a better idea would be to have arenas separated by type of game play or theater.
ie: a pacific arena, a western front arena, and an eastern front arena.
Give players distinct choices, instead of MA, MA light, and MA ultralight.
This idea has merit. :aok
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hMMMM :)
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Personally, I think the current arena set-up blows and is unsuccessful.
IMO, a better idea would be to have arenas separated by type of game play or theater.
ie: a pacific arena, a western front arena, and an eastern front arena.
Give players distinct choices, instead of MA, MA light, and MA ultralight.
Now there's an idea.
Of course there would end up being a massive discussion as to why the Spixteen, Typhoon and Ma Jug aren't in the Eastern Front or Pacific arenas...because someone found a small insignificant and erroneous report of them being spotted in one of those AO's...then someone in some backend corner of a map would do something viewed as "gamey" and yet another whine about how "we don't go there because of the way some people do blah blah blah"...of course it's all b.s. excuses and they just want their Spixteens and Jugs.
BaldEagl has a good idea...but of course the nay sayers have missed the point of "you have 2 arenas now with limited plane sets, why have 2 other arenas with unlimited plane sets?"...the MW is the only one where there is some semblance of actual balance between plane sets but since the top of the line late war U.S. and Brit planes don't exist there...it's just easier to say "lame idea" than to look at the reality.
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As I see it, the problem with EW, and to a lesser extent MW, is that there's nothing unique about them. Everything that can be found in EW and MW is also available in LW and that's why everyone gravitates there.
It's really no surprise that EW is a ghost town given that it has the smallest plane/GV set. As those sets expand in MW so does the player base and, as it expands further in LW the player base expands exponentially.
The only way the EW and MW arenas will gain more poulation is if they each offer something unique. WWI will likely gain a small but dedicated following as what's available there will only be available there.
The AvA does offer something unique in it's plane sets, maps and structure but I think the changing periods, plane sets, etc. confuse and put off much of the player base as you don't really know what you're going to find when you log in.
I like the idea of theater specific arenas (east front, west front and Pacific) but actually think this idea should be applied via the AvA concept with set maps (maybe seasonally adjusted) and plane-sets so you always know what you're going to find. If these began to gain a following they might be further defined into time periods.
That still leaves us with a dead EW and a moderately thriving MW. If people are dead set against limiting plane/GV sets, then maps and/or gameplay are the only options for differentiation. I don't think maps alone would do it, therefore a fundamentally revised type of gameplay would be the only remaining opportunity to differentiate these arenas.
I think that 50-100 people each in smaller communities (arenas) would be healthier for the game than packing 800 onto a big map (or worse yet a small map) and watching the hoards roll. People might actually get to know each other again. Squads might roam from arena to arena. I'm not saying get rid of Titanic Tuesday... I'd like to see it kept as a unique event.
I'd really like to hear ideas on what could be done.
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Here's one BaldEagl...that will never happen...get rid of the "we don't go there because of..." attitudes.
There is a lot of blaming others for someones lack of enjoyment in this hobby...can't understand that. And yet if you were to dig down deep to the root of the issue, it's a simple matter of either "I can't fly my favorite plane there" or "I'm just bored and don't want to admit it".
I'm surprised that there aren't more people in either MW or EW considering all of the posts about "the thrill of the fight"...looking at the plane sets, those 2 arenas are highly suited to dogfighting more than horde base taking...especially the EW...but then the Spixteen and M jug aren't there.
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Think the thrill is more about being able to fight against the LW birds not neccessarily in the LW birds
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Warbirds used to do a thing where planes were introduced as the "war" progressed. You started out with the Spit1s and the 109es then a few days later the Spit5 and FW190s would show up etc. What about a war period of say three weeks where the first week only the EW arena is available and the second week the MW and the third the LW. I know that no solution will make everyone happy but it's a suggestion.
Scott "Hoghead" Dean
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ahhh the 'ol infamous rolling planeset, it's been discussed before and if I remember correctly the general consensus was it caused more problems than it "fixed".
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Remember doin it in AvA arena a few years back, was cool but not for everybody
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so far the best idea sounds like the pacific and the european arenas.
the only problem, is that that didn't appear to be too successful in aw.
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Good point.
You may be right as I never played AW.
On the other hand, we know for certain what we have now isn't working so well
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Removing the EW or MW plane set from the LW arenas is not going to increase the numbers for the EW or MW arenas. If you want to increase those arenas, planes for the EW and MW eras would need be to added to fill in the gaps in the planesets for those times. Also, maps tailored to the smaller arenas will also help.
ack-ack
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Bald I like what you are going for, but I'm gonna have to say a big old -1 here.
There are few things I enjoy in this game more than buzz sawing a spixteen or LA wing off in my Hurri MkI. Not just that, but I find myself in mid-war planes (occasionally an early bird too :) ) far too often to advocate this. I really enjoy the challenge of taking on more advanced birds with earlier ones, and to be quite honest I'd rather not have that option taken away in an effort to fill servers.
As for solutions to getting more folks in EW or MW -- I'd say running only on the smallest maps in both. This could encourage fights, which are what most people seek. You don't need 100 people in EW. You just need 50 in a small space :)
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Good point.
You may be right as I never played AW.
On the other hand, we know for certain what we have now isn't working so well
i think it is working quite well really.
we(those of us posting here) are the minority. we are the vocal minority. i think that if all that played the game posted here, it could well overwhelm the bbs servers.
it seems to me quite a few people like things as they are.
if i'm in mw, and don't like the map, or the kinds of fights, i have 2 choices in lw, or i can go to ew.....or i can go to da, or go screw off in ta.............customer in....to be continued....
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Maps customized for each would help alleviate the travel time issue. Say, bases in LW average 25 miles apart, bases in MW average 20 miles apart and bases in EW average 15 miles apart. That might help solve the lack of action that a lot of people feel is inherent to those arenas, no matter the populations.
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Maybe combine the EW and MW into one arena. Then it will be WWI, 1939-1942 and 1943-1945 arenas
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Maps customized for each would help alleviate the travel time issue. Say, bases in LW average 25 miles apart, bases in MW average 20 miles apart and bases in EW average 15 miles apart. That might help solve the lack of action that a lot of people feel is inherent to those arenas, no matter the populations.
+1 to this for sure. Kind of along the same lines of what I was asking.
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i think it is working quite well really.
we(those of us posting here) are the minority. we are the vocal minority. i think that if all that played the game posted here, it could well overwhelm the bbs servers.
it seems to me quite a few people like things as they are.
if i'm in mw, and don't like the map, or the kinds of fights, i have 2 choices in lw, or i can go to ew.....or i can go to da, or go screw off in ta.............customer in....to be continued....
Sure, but still, 3 out of 6 arenas sit virtually empty most of the time.
Seems like there has to be a better formula than that.
Can't say I know what it is though.
Guess I don't much care anymore either.
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Sure, but still, 3 out of 6 arenas sit virtually empty most of the time.
Seems like there has to be a better formula than that.
Can't say I know what it is though.
Guess I don't much care anymore either.
i wasn't meaning to be critical. this thread has people thinking. that's good.
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Maybe combine the EW and MW into one arena. Then it will be WWI, 1939-1942 and 1943-1945 arenas
No. The LWA is an abomination from a diversity and balance standpoint. MWA would be the best focus from that standpoint, where fighters, bombers and attack aircraft all have distinct roles, unlike the LWA where fighters just do it all.
Well, actually, a combined arena wouldn't be bad if all post 1943 aircraft were very significantly perked. But we know that won't happen, for truly good reasons I might add.
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i wasn't meaning to be critical. this thread has people thinking. that's good.
Oh no Cap, I didn't take it that way.
I mean that I am coming to the realization that the game will always remain about like it is.
Action in one or two arenas where everything is enabled, and mostly empty in the rest, and I guess if the majority is happy that way, than that's ok.
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Oh no Cap, I didn't take it that way.
I mean that I am coming to the realization that the game will always remain about like it is.
Action in one or two arenas where everything is enabled, and mostly empty in the rest, and I guess if the majority is happy that way, than that's ok.
i see ew empty a lot.......i'd possibly go in there more, if i saw enough in there to find a good fight.
when i'm able to get on, there's usually anywhere from 30 to 70 pile-its in the mw arena. that's a perfect number, as there's not normally a long flight to find a fight.......and none of the "dog pile on da wabbit" kinda fights like seem to be in the lw arenas.
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Its all about what the majority of the people want, and we here on the boards are by no means any where near a majority!
Splitting the arenas by rolling plane sets, fronts, or years spicific has either been tried, or suggested and shot down before by HTC. HTC works to make things best for the majority of players. When they first split the arenas they were year specific, and as soon as the "gamers" figured out that you had to choose the arena you wanted to log into (default was EW and there were tons of people for the first week or so :D ) the majority went to LW. The rest of us followed because there were very few people to shoot at in the other arenas.
Even after the early planes were added to all the arenas you could still find a fight now and then in the EW and MW because the score hounds where milking for points at all times of the day, but once the scores where split is really killed those arenas. MW has its following, as does the AVA, but it is always hit or miss to find fights because of the lack of targets.
Splitting by theaters worked ok in AW, but there you had the "euro" flyers, and the "Pac" flyers. HTC doesn't want the population split. he want just "flyers". Thats why you'll never see a "land grabbers" arena, nor a "furballers" arena.
The only problem with the arenas are the people. In the old days you had people who wanted to fight. Whether it was to pretend they were WWII pilots, of history buffs, or just killers, they wanted to fight. Getting certain names on your kill list was more important than getting a certain number of kills. Todays player is more of a gamer, and gamers look for scores. Whether that is number of kills, or points it doesn't matter as that is what dictates their style of game play. To have more kills you need more targets, and the best equipment to have a chance again those more skilled. So they MUST play in LW, the only place they can succeed.
Most of the people in EW these days are gamers who couldn't survive in LW and get their name in lights each month. The only way to get people into the other arenas would be to force them in and HTC won't do that as that won't really be a good business decision :P
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The only problem with the arenas are the people.
sorry to tear your post up......but the statement i left up there.......sums up everything said in all of these threads. :aok :bolt:
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I blame it all on Karaya!
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I always thought the theater set-up in AW worked pretty well. While I spent the vast majority of my time in RRE which was also the most popular I'd play RRPac, WWI and Korea on occasion (in restrospect I wish I'd spent more time in the FR arenas). RRPac had a pretty dedicated following that wasn't too far behind RRE in numbers. WWI also had a dedicated but much smaller following.
I don't remember anyone whining about seperate plane-sets in Euro and Pac. No one knew any better. It just was the way it was.
The problem now is everone is used to a fully integrated plane-set. Splitting it in any way feels like taking something away from the players even if everythings still available somewhere in the game.
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I always thought the theater set-up in AW worked pretty well. While I spent the vast majority of my time in RRE which was also the most popular I'd play RRPac, WWI and Korea on occasion (in restrospect I wish I'd spent more time in the FR arenas). RRPac had a pretty dedicated following that wasn't too far behind RRE in numbers. WWI also had a dedicated but much smaller following.
I don't remember anyone whining about seperate plane-sets in Euro and Pac. No one knew any better. It just was the way it was.
The problem now is everone is used to a fully integrated plane-set. Splitting it in any way feels like taking something away from the players even if everythings still available somewhere in the game.
i used to fly relaxed realism europe there all the time. was fght6 in there.
it seemed to work well, but we have the fact that aw went away. why did that happen? was it their way of operating, or did it only happen because they got bought out?
i just tend to try to find my fun here where i can.....and there's plenty of choices.........
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I was a Pac guy, they even named one of the big islands after my squad :D Like you said, it was all we knew. HTC has said many times they they don't want to do anything that would split the community, thats why I don't think you'll see any changes like that.
AW closed not because it was behind the times in graphics, or low on subscriptions. It was bought up by EA because they wanted the coding for the on-line systems and it was the only way they could get it. To them it was easier to "buy" a ready made system than it was to hire people to design and build one.
To change the way things in the game are now you have to change the incentives. As it is now the majority of the players are gamers and there style of play is dictated by the scoreboard. Changing the scoring to encourage a more combat type of environment would have the gamers change there game, though not their priorities. Changing the "people" is what needs to be done, not changing the game.
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People don't go places because there aren't people there. People aren't there because there aren't people there.
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People don't go places because there aren't people there. People aren't there because there aren't people there.
so....what you're trying to say, is that to get more people in there, we need more people to go in there, to draw more people, then those people will draw more people and so on and so on? :noid :bolt:
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HTC has said many times they they don't want to do anything that would split the community, thats why I don't think you'll see any changes like that.
The thing is whether they intended to or not they arelady have. The core of players that frequent EW, MW and AvA are pretty dedicated to their arenas.
IIRC when the MA was split HT said something about removing the caps once players got settled into a "home" arena of their choice. This indicates to me a desire to split the community to a degree, otherwise why not just leave the one big MA alone?
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Hi chaps!
Read every post. This is an issue that concerns me much. Because I live in Europe and finding an empty arena is common for me. I know, I know, I allways have LW... but not my favorite arena. Especially because I' allways prefered the CT/AvA concept. I don't like the concept of MAs.
So, when I log in, after dinner, here in Europe, I see: AvA, 0 players (or 1 player that is not flying and doesn't respond to your messages), MW, 14 players, EW, 8 players. I'm a fighter guy. I log into one of these arenas and I try to find som red dots on DAR. That's all I want. Sometimes, there's none. Everyone is in GVs. I must say that I have learned to use GVs lately. But I have to look for an old a2a fight. If I go to LW I usually don't have fun at all. For zillions of reasons. Finally, I have Sunday European Campaigns, in SEA. These, I like, more my kind of thing.
Split the arenas more? I don't think it's the solution. That doesn't solve the "black hole" effect of LW. Theme arenas? Would specialize the users to a point where they would be trapped in one arena. Finally, time would erode the arenas, one by one and the community would die. Rolling planesets? Maybe, but what for? If people doesn't care about historical accuracy to the point of flying Bf109 vs Bf109... And wouldn´t mind having B-29's and "nookes"...
If I was to decide, I would kill Bishops, Knights and Rooks chess-pieces and set it up an all Axis vs Allies thing. I would introduce maps according to the time flow and, when simultaneous, I would put them sequencially, until the end of the "war". I would eliminate the aberration of scoring. I would fill the gaps in the planeset. I would make rare birds expensively perked. I would shut down EW, MW and AvA. I would keep LWMA, one only, free for all, 24/7 Titanic Tuesday. I would keep TA. I would shut down DA. I would keep SEA. And WW1 arena. I would, when I could, create a Korean War arena, but not a priority.
People will go where there is more people. Or they go to where you push them to go. Having a choice, or the sensation of choice, is good for business. Force-feed your costumers is not good marketing.
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i used to fly relaxed realism europe there all the time. was fght6 in there.
it seemed to work well, but we have the fact that aw went away. why did that happen? was it their way of operating, or did it only happen because they got bought out?
EA bough Kesmai. At first it looked as if that would be a great boon for a couple of games (AirWarrior and Battletech). Turns out they were not interested in developing these games, it was the server code they were really after. If the games didn't have the potential to be the next EverQuest they axed them.
SB
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If I was to decide, I would kill Bishops, Knights and Rooks chess-pieces and set it up an all Axis vs Allies thing. I would introduce maps according to the time flow and, when simultaneous, I would put them sequencially, until the end of the "war". I would eliminate the aberration of scoring. I would fill the gaps in the planeset. I would make rare birds expensively perked. I would shut down EW, MW and AvA. I would keep LWMA, one only, free for all, 24/7 Titanic Tuesday. I would keep TA. I would shut down DA. I would keep SEA. And WW1 arena. I would, when I could, create a Korean War arena, but not a priority.
People will go where there is more people. Or they go to where you push them to go. Having a choice, or the sensation of choice, is good for business. Force-feed your costumers is not good marketing.
When you say you would keep the LWMA, is it the same as the Axis-Allies scheme you mention above? When they tried an Axis-Allies main arena in Warbirds it didn't work out so well, for a number of reasons, partly because of a lack of heavy bombers on the axis side. The biggest issue was that the two sides began to vilify each other to a far greater extent than chess pieces would ever allow. There was very little side switching. The dedicated allied crowd were convinced that the axis pilots were a bunch of Nazi apologists, while the axis crowd was convinced that the allied pilots only wanted an episode from Dogfights, i.e. target practice. If that weren't bad enough, it still wasn't historical because you had Yaks alongside P-51s and A6Ms alongside 109s.
Over all, I'm with you on the main arena being a waste of time. Still, I do fear a repeat of what happened in Warbirds when they went axis-allies full time. It might be that the only way to prevent such a disaster would be to force people to switch sides from time to time, and that's never going to fly.
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When you say you would keep the LWMA, is it the same as the Axis-Allies scheme you mention above?
Sorry, didn't explained myself correctly, you're right. I would keep LW MA just as it is today, wouldn't change a bolt...
EW, MW, AvA and DA were the ones to merge in a single historical, rolling planeset, Theater of Operations after Theather of Operations, full 1939 to 1945 WW2.
I would still keep TA and SEA1 and SEA2. But I would confine the community into 2 big arenas, basically. Maybe I'm wrong, I usually do...
Didn't knew that had happened in Warbirds... I left WB 10 years ago to AH1. Got a bit extreme, hey?!...
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i would just like to see real maps in all the arenas. what gives anyways with the "pizza" map etc etc how comes no historic maps at least.
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i would just like to see real maps in all the arenas. what gives anyways with the "pizza" map etc etc how comes no historic maps at least.
How "real" or "historic" do you want to have the map? Real distances? ;)
And the most important thing you have to take into account when creating a MA map is play balance. Not always easy to take a "real" map layout and have no country put at a disadvantage.
But you should take a look at the maps in AvA and SEA...
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i would just like to see real maps in all the arenas. what gives anyways with the "pizza" map etc etc how comes no historic maps at least.
because this is a game. A real map would have one team always at some disadvantage, sometimes a huge disadvantage, and where would the fun be in that? That's why the maps look like evenly spaced maps. A ap that doesn't present even side would not be allowed as a MA map, thought the senarios and AvA maps are not as strict.
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Sorry, didn't explained myself correctly, you're right. I would keep LW MA just as it is today, wouldn't change a bolt...
EW, MW, AvA and DA were the ones to merge in a single historical, rolling planeset, Theater of Operations after Theather of Operations, full 1939 to 1945 WW2.
I would still keep TA and SEA1 and SEA2. But I would confine the community into 2 big arenas, basically. Maybe I'm wrong, I usually do...
Didn't knew that had happened in Warbirds... I left WB 10 years ago to AH1. Got a bit extreme, hey?!...
we don't need to touch ew or mw. they;'re fine.
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Didn't knew that had happened in Warbirds... I left WB 10 years ago to AH1. Got a bit extreme, hey?!...
I also stopped flying around the Fall of '99, and took a peek at WB3 in '02, and didn't like what I saw. The community was tearing itself apart over the axis/allies main arena. From what I hear the concept was axed not long afterward. Great idea, but without an adequately mature player base to implement it.... :uhoh
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we don't need to touch ew or mw. they;'re fine.
Really? You think the ghost town that is EW with a squad of base takers that won't fight is OK? OK.
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Really? You think the ghost town that is EW with a squad of base takers that won't fight is OK? OK.
it's their money. let em do what they want with it. it keeps em from polluting out other arenas too.
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"If I was to decide, I would kill Bishops, Knights and Rooks chess-pieces and set it up an all Axis vs Allies thing."
Good idea. Especially if history could be slightly re-written to provide the Axis with the same strategic bombing capability as the Allies: reliable Ju290, He177, with maybe one of the whacky 'Luftwaffe 1946' multi-jet bombers to add fun to the mix, plus a four-engined ride for the Nipponese.
Talking of history, Sparow - whatever happened to the Warbirds Tangmere Wing? The first online squadron I ever flew with was 249 (Gold Coast), when Ramjet was the skipper; switched to Duxford Wing when I discovered the hard way that RJ wasn't nearly as good a leader as he was an individual fighter.
Cheers!
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it's their money. let em do what they want with it.
I just suddenly had a flash to those obnoxious ads for J G Wentworth. Looootsss of people yelling out windows. :rofl
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I just suddenly had a flash to those obnoxious ads for J G Wentworth. Looootsss of people yelling out windows. :rofl
:rofl :rofl
seriously though...........there's lots of fun fights to be had in mw. if so many like the ew plane set(as a lot say) then all it takes is a "hey guys, anyone up for some fights in ew?"
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"If I was to decide, I would kill Bishops, Knights and Rooks chess-pieces and set it up an all Axis vs Allies thing."
Good idea. Especially if history could be slightly re-written to provide the Axis with the same strategic bombing capability as the Allies: reliable Ju290, He177, with maybe one of the whacky 'Luftwaffe 1946' multi-jet bombers to add fun to the mix, plus a four-engined ride for the Nipponese.
Talking of history, Sparow - whatever happened to the Warbirds Tangmere Wing? The first online squadron I ever flew with was 249 (Gold Coast), when Ramjet was the skipper; switched to Duxford Wing when I discovered the hard way that RJ wasn't nearly as good a leader as he was an individual fighter.
Cheers!
Simba,
Sorry, won´t bite. Your first sentence is ridiculous. Ask Goering. The second one reveals laziness, distraction or both. Ask yourself. Oh, btw, what happened to Duxford Wing?...
Cheers,
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Thanks to all who posted ideas. I 'm glad to see this has been at least a civil discussion to this point.
I was just thinking about game mechanics. In the early part of the war the German Blitzkrieg was the predominant effort, followed by the arial warfare of the Battle of Britan, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and eventually the American strategic bombing of Germany. It seems there could be a somewhat logical sequence followed in AH, emphasising the ground war in EW, air to air combat and attack bombing in MW and strategic bombing in LW. Not to lose any of these areas in any arena but maybe the scoring mechanisms could be modified for each arena adding emphasis to these specific areas to follow the progression of the war. I know there were a lot of other events I didn't mention but for me at least, these were predominant.
Something along these lines would help make each arena unique without the need to restrict the plane/GV sets any more than they are. It's kind of funny that the current arenas already do reflect this to a degree. A little extra well thought out push in each of these areas might be interesting.
Anyway, just another thought.
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I was just thinking about game mechanics. In the early part of the war the German Blitzkrieg was the predominant effort, followed by the arial warfare of the Battle of Britan, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and eventually the American strategic bombing of Germany. It seems there could be a somewhat logical sequence followed in AH, emphasising the ground war in EW, air to air combat and attack bombing in MW and strategic bombing in LW.
You're forgetting about a country that did far more fighting and killing against Germany than the USA.
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Thanks to all who posted ideas. I 'm glad to see this has been at least a civil discussion to this point.
I was just thinking about game mechanics. In the early part of the war the German Blitzkrieg was the predominant effort, followed by the arial warfare of the Battle of Britan, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and eventually the American strategic bombing of Germany. It seems there could be a somewhat logical sequence followed in AH, emphasising the ground war in EW, air to air combat and attack bombing in MW and strategic bombing in LW. Not to lose any of these areas in any arena but maybe the scoring mechanisms could be modified for each arena adding emphasis to these specific areas to follow the progression of the war. I know there were a lot of other events I didn't mention but for me at least, these were predominant.
Something along these lines would help make each arena unique without the need to restrict the plane/GV sets any more than they are. It's kind of funny that the current arenas already do reflect this to a degree. A little extra well thought out push in each of these areas might be interesting.
Anyway, just another thought.
these are decent ideas. there's only one problem with them.
should htc implement something like this, then they'll be taking an arena away from those that like to fly and fight in said arena.
it's not up to htc. it's up to you, and me, and all of the other players.
if you like the idea of a ground war in ew, then you(or whoever chooses) simply need to post here on the boards, kinda like jaegr does for the ava. get somethign like that going in there.
htc's job is/was to give us choices to fly and fight the way we want. i make my home in mw. it's perfect as it is. never so many on, that all fights turn into 1 or 2 vs the horde. always plenty on to find a fight though. on the ground, in the air, and lately, i've been noticing dorks driving cv groups right into each other.
ew spends time empty. again, it's our choice. if anyone wants to make fights in there, of fight ew vs ew aircraft, with no chance of a lw bird ruining their fun, then ew is the place to go. or could those people be worried about their score?
get enough people together to head to ew, and there can be serious fun to be had.
the lw arenas i visit occasionally. last time i was there, i kept running into 163's and 262's. p38 ain't much match for them. but that's how those guys want to play.
htc has, and is doing a fine job of giving us choices. members making maps are doing a fine job of giving us tools.
it is what we make it, and nothing more. :aok
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EW had some new faces last night and a decent turnout for a bit. Give it a try it's really not that bad.
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EW had some new faces last night and a decent turnout for a bit. Give it a try it's really not that bad.
yep..that's my point.
maybe i'll try to lure some of my squaddies in there. could be fun to split up n fight each other.,,.,.although i'm either bait, or the target for them...... :rofl :noid :bolt:
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EW had 19 in it and MW had 2 at one point. I stayed in LW.