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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wolfala on October 23, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
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Yup, i've got a stiffy for this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0xOA4A2ESM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0xOA4A2ESM)
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent069.gif)
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:O OMG :huh :eek:
That would scare me...where's the paintball sniper rifle?
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thats just not fair :O
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Where can I get one :t
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:O OMG :huh :eek:
That would scare me...where's the paintball sniper rifle?
There are no sniper rifles. All markers are limited by insurance regulations, typically to 280 feet per second velocity.
That minigun could also not pass insurance regulations and be used on a typical paintball field. :(
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There are no sniper rifles. All markers are limited by insurance regulations, typically to 280 feet per second velocity.
That minigun could also not pass insurance regulations and be used on a typical paintball field. :(
Insurance regs? how so? cockers do 30 balls per second or up. the velocity remains consistent with any marker - not to exceed 300 fps.
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Anyone need to paint their house?
:O :O :O
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Insurance regs? how so? cockers do 30 balls per second or up. the velocity remains consistent with any marker - not to exceed 300 fps.
a cocker doesn't do 30 bps without some serious electronics. You have to read the rules, and how they handle different firing modes, from semi auto to bursting to ramping. It varies from venue to venue and series to series. Full-auto is very, very widely banned.
Velocity is a separate issue, which is why I was pointing out to gyrene81 there are no "sniper" paintball markers. They all have the capability to shoot the exact same distances.
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:O OMG :huh :eek:
That would scare me...where's the paintball sniper rifle?
here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_BBhVl_OPg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_BBhVl_OPg)
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There are no sniper rifles. All markers are limited by insurance regulations, typically to 280 feet per second velocity.
That minigun could also not pass insurance regulations and be used on a typical paintball field. :(
a cocker doesn't do 30 bps without some serious electronics. You have to read the rules, and how they handle different firing modes, from semi auto to bursting to ramping. It varies from venue to venue and series to series. Full-auto is very, very widely banned.
Velocity is a separate issue, which is why I was pointing out to gyrene81 there are no "sniper" paintball markers. They all have the capability to shoot the exact same distances.
The term "sniper rifle" has very little to do with velocity.....
In fact most of the military sniper rifles fire ammunition that is within 5% (velocity wise) of normal standard issue G.I. ammo.
With that in mind there are several 24" to 30" rifled barrels that will make a gun very accurate (relatively anyway) at longer ranges.
So I feel saying there are no "sniper" rifles is a bit misleading....
Strip
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Strip
Real bullets are not paintballs either. Paintballs are spherical, with an internal fluid body. Rifling has been done, but it doesn't work out well, particularly when you get a break in the neck/breech/bolt head/barrel area. It's very difficult to get the paint out of the grooves. As per the collegiate paintball thread, the single most important thing is paint to barrel match. It does not really matter what kind of gun the barrel is attached to. Also, you have to contend with energy loss over the flight. The more energy loss, the less chance of a break. The gun can't do anything about that, since the object is totally disconnected from the gun the millisecond it leaves the barrel.
Two objects with equal drag, same airfoil, fired at the same velocity (mandated to either 280 or 300 fps by insurance for all markers in play), at the same altitude, will travel the same distance every time.
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Real bullets are not paintballs either. Paintballs are spherical, with an internal fluid body. Rifling has been done, but it doesn't work out well, particularly when you get a break in the neck/breech/bolt head/barrel area. It's very difficult to get the paint out of the grooves. As per the collegiate paintball thread, the single most important thing is paint to barrel match. It does not really matter what kind of gun the barrel is attached to. Also, you have to contend with energy loss over the flight. The more energy loss, the less chance of a break. The gun can't do anything about that, since the object is totally disconnected from the gun the millisecond it leaves the barrel.
Two objects with equal drag, same airfoil, fired at the same velocity (mandated to either 280 or 300 fps by insurance for all markers in play), at the same altitude, will travel the same distance every time.
At what point did I say velocity would be effected after the gun leaves the barrel?
Careful where you go with this, I have shot 5" five shot groups at 1000 yards and am fully aware of the dynamics.
To borrow this from Selino...
(http://www.skirmantas.com/wp-content/gallery/paitball-news/tiberiusrounds.jpg)
"Sniper" type paintball guns do exist are accurate at much farther ranges when done properly even with standard issue paintballs.
Strip
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FYI....
Some of the better "rifled" barrels arent even grooved.....
Strip
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err i dont see the point of it. may as well just pop all the paintballs into a cartridge, slap it onto an overpowered squirt gun and call it a painthrower 'cause the effect will be the same.
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At what point did I say velocity would be effected after the gun leaves the barrel?
Strip
Truthfully? LOL...you never did say velocity would be affected after the gun leaves the barrel... :rofl
Sorry man...couldn't resist.
You hit 5 inch groups at 1000 yards with a paintball gun? :O :huh :confused:
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Careful where you go with this, I have shot 5" five shot groups at 1000 yards and am fully aware of the dynamics.
Pics or it didn't happen
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1000 yards has to be typo, people have trouble getting good groups with real guns at that range. 100 yards is more plausible.
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1000 yards has to be typo, people have trouble getting good groups with real guns at that range. 100 yards is more plausible.
National Match will shoot at 1000 yards with Open Sights!! Bullseye is just a little bigger than a basketball.
Using a scope from the prone position I think 5 inch group is touchable by a skilled marksman with the right equipment.
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A paintball gun won't toss the paint 1000 yards. Nevermind getting sub 1/2 MOA groups.
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At what point did I say velocity would be effected after the gun leaves the barrel?
Careful where you go with this, I have shot 5" five shot groups at 1000 yards and am fully aware of the dynamics.
To borrow this from Selino...
(http://www.skirmantas.com/wp-content/gallery/paitball-news/tiberiusrounds.jpg)
"Sniper" type paintball guns do exist are accurate at much farther ranges when done properly even with standard issue paintballs.
Strip
thise are so expensive but acurate!
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At what point did I say velocity would be effected after the gun leaves the barrel?
Bringing up any version of "sniper" in paintball is a completely false statement.
To borrow this from Selino...
Those can only be shot out of 1 type of marker, a pistol. That's it, unless like I said in the other thread that you want to muzzle load one at a time. Joke would be on you. By the time you even start getting the second paintball in the barrel, I've covered over 30 yards, and put another 60 in the air at you. You will have no chance. Also, the range claims have not been empirically tested by a third party.
"Sniper" type paintball guns do exist are accurate at much farther ranges when done properly even with standard issue paintballs.
Name one. I've done this for over 12 years. I've owned every marker worth owning. The only thing that can even attempt to make the claim are flatline barrels. Those have been empirically tested, and don't have additional range, simply a flatter trajectory.. and it's still pointless because the paint won't break at those distances anyways. A paintball that bounces off is the same as a paintball that missed by a mile, doesn't count. Flatline was a marketing gimmick, like perfect rounds, finned sniperballs, etc, which is why nobody really makes them anymore, and every serious player simply use barrel insert kits.
Anybody marketing a "sniper" anything for paintball just wants your money. I'm willing to bet you can't even scratch the surface of my paintball resume, it runs deep. Going off the last line I quoted, but having to resort to Selino's post to attempt to prove your point by using a product that can be used by less than 0.00001% of paintball markers, and hasn't been empirically approved, without listing stuff you "know" works... makes me think you don't have much paintball experience.
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Yup have to agree best bet is to match paint to barrel. :old:
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D'oh, nevermind, misread that
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Though I'd share an even nicer M134 http://www.pipersprecisionproducts.com/m134_6mm.htm (http://www.pipersprecisionproducts.com/m134_6mm.htm)
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And for airsoft...http://echo1usa.com/English/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13_79&products_id=358&zenid=b118f9b3741aa7eb9d26d974f2dc23f8 (http://echo1usa.com/English/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13_79&products_id=358&zenid=b118f9b3741aa7eb9d26d974f2dc23f8)
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1000 yards has to be typo, people have trouble getting good groups with real guns at that range. 100 yards is more plausible.
1,000 yards......
With 338 Wildcat round (bc in the .9 range depending on velocity) ....basically 300 Ultra Mag necked out to 338.
No not a typo....
Strip
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You shot a large, light, liquid filled projectile, either spherical or with one of those sails on the back, and were not only able to launch it 1,000 yards (something alone I can't help but raise an eyebrow at), but consistently land them in a circle 5" across? I can't but help be skeptical of this considering, as Mensa pointed out, this is no small feet even for a firearm...
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You shot a large, light, liquid filled projectile, either spherical or with one of those sails on the back, at, if I understand correctly
338 fps, and were not only able to launch it 1,000 yards (something alone I can't help but raise an eyebrow at), but consistently land them in a circle 5" across? I can't but help be skeptical of this considering, as Mensa pointed out, this is no small feet even for a firearm...
(http://palmwebos.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/vader-fail.jpg)
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NVM
Haha I'm dumb
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Motherland....
1,000 yards is nothing now.....2,000 yards is the new barrier albeit with .50 caliber rounds or variant like a .410
Strip
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Strip are you claiming to get 5" groupings at 1000yds with an actual firearm or a paintball gun? Just to be clear. Your original post appeared to be claiming with a paintball gun, but the latest does not.
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The names didnt give it away?
The only way a paintball would travel a 1,000 yards is if it was dropped from 3,000 feet in the air.
Of course this is with a firearm....
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Sorry strip, the way I read it sounded like you meant you had achieved that with a paintball gun (you hadn't mentioned firearms at all in the post where you first said it).
I'm unfamiliar with paintball jargon so I just skipped over this
With 338 Wildcat round (bc in the .9 range depending on velocity) ....basically 300 Ultra Mag necked out to 338.
as technical speak that I shouldn't try to wrap my head around, I never tried looking at it in the context of a firearm... seems obvious now :)
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True.....sometimes the clarity inside my brain reads like a dense fog to others.
Strip
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Ok good that that's cleared up, here motherland and I were thinking you were a total moron :D. Turns out it's the opposite.
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Though I've always known that I am a moron. :D
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Ok good that that's cleared up, here motherland and I were thinking you were a total moron :D. Turns out it's the opposite.
I dunno.....my reply would be, " Depends on who you ask."
:D