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Title: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Warspawn on October 23, 2009, 08:16:03 PM
Hey hey!

Back when we split the arenas, a few of us tossed around the idea of making a 'progressive' arena which would basically evolve over time, starting with a very early planeset and then gradually working towards the LW rides.

One of the benefits of actually 'winning' the arena by one of the Chess pieces would be the option to lock the planeset for another round, or letting it 'age' to the next tier, perhaps gradually adding more planes as the area matured.  When the arena is won, toss a pop-up to the winning players allowing them a two-option vote on what the next arena would be.  This wouldn't necessarily be locked into an EW/MW/LW planeset, but could see several different phases of the war where several planes get added as they were historically available during WWII.

Any ideas or opinions about how popular this would be, and how HTC could integrate it?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Lusche on October 23, 2009, 08:21:42 PM

Any ideas or opinions about how popular this would be,

Not very popular at all, I'm afraid.

Imagine the "everything-goes" LW arena is full, and when entering the rolling set arena players do find an early war planeset only. The majority won't be very pleased...

And if you don't put a cap limit on the "traditional" LW arena, it's basically nothing than the old single arena - which won't happen again in any way.

Though
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When the arena is won, toss a pop-up to the winning players allowing them a two-option vote on what the next arena would be.
would probably result in much less variety as you might believe ;)
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: texastc316 on October 23, 2009, 08:23:40 PM
We would all take up monopoly
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Warspawn on October 23, 2009, 08:41:09 PM
Not very popular at all, I'm afraid.

That's too bad.  Talked with a guy who was pretty good in his spit XVI, had been flying for a couple of years.  He'd never flown anything but that spit, the D-Pony, and the LA-7.  Said he was only interested in flying the 'best' planes.  It was kind of sad, actually...was trying to think of ways to introduce several phases of the war where the 'best' planes weren't necessarily the ones arriving in '44-'45.
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 23, 2009, 08:47:04 PM
That's too bad.  Talked with a guy who was pretty good in his spit XVI, had been flying for a couple of years.  He'd never flown anything but that spit, the D-Pony, and the LA-7.  Said he was only interested in flying the 'best' planes.  It was kind of sad, actually...was trying to think of ways to introduce several phases of the war where the 'best' planes weren't necessarily the ones arriving in '44-'45.

Forcing people to fly other than their choice guarantees that those players will not play.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Warspawn on October 23, 2009, 08:50:56 PM
Forcing people to fly other than their choice guarantees that those players will not play.

ack-ack

I choose to fly the P-63.  But, since it's not in, I'll still enjoy the game.  Several scenarios have found me in planes other than my first choice...still had a blast!
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Ghosth on October 23, 2009, 09:45:09 PM
Never!
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Boxboy on October 24, 2009, 05:06:30 AM
Forcing people to fly other than their choice guarantees that those players will not play.

ack-ack

Hmm I remember a simular arguement about "perk planes".  IMHO the rolling plane set was a good thing, but folks just always gravitate to the "best" equipment.  Perhaps a rolling arena's EW one week, MW one week, and LW 2 weeks
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Treize69 on October 24, 2009, 06:49:32 AM
I greatly miss the old RPS from the days of the WWII Arena in WarBirds, but its a sad fact that it'll never fly here. Been brought up many a time, and invariably shot down in flames. I think HT himself has said there will never be an RPS in any of the main arenas, but I may be mistaken.
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: dhyran on October 24, 2009, 06:54:12 AM
I greatly miss the old RPS from the days of the WWII Arena in WarBirds, but its a sad fact that it'll never fly here.

same here, the RPS inside the WW2 was a classic, RPS in 3 Weeks, ah great! Wish to have it back one Day
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Max on October 24, 2009, 08:23:53 AM
I greatly miss the old RPS from the days of the WWII Arena in WarBirds, but its a sad fact that it'll never fly here.

Sorry but the RPS of WB's is the reason I left after a couple of months. B-O-R-I-N-G
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Helm on October 24, 2009, 08:44:13 AM
Hey hey!

Back when we split the arenas, a few of us tossed around the idea of making a 'progressive' arena which would basically evolve over time, starting with a very early planeset and then gradually working towards the LW rides.

One of the benefits of actually 'winning' the arena by one of the Chess pieces would be the option to lock the planeset for another round, or letting it 'age' to the next tier, perhaps gradually adding more planes as the area matured.  When the arena is won, toss a pop-up to the winning players allowing them a two-option vote on what the next arena would be.  This wouldn't necessarily be locked into an EW/MW/LW planeset, but could see several different phases of the war where several planes get added as they were historically available during WWII.

Any ideas or opinions about how popular this would be, and how HTC could integrate it?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

I like the idea ....but I fly every bird in the hanger .....most do not.  Sadly the player base would NOT embrace this idea.



Helm ...out
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: wrag on October 24, 2009, 09:45:18 AM
Grew to HATE the RPS............... over in WB and prefer to NEVER see or have to deal with it EVER again!   :furious

When one side has access to only LW planes or allied planes the balance of the arena is sooooo lopesided mosty to LW at the early war and then mostly allied there after.  :mad:

And the result was few cared to fly allied at the early part and LW at the late part.  :mad:

Numbers seems ALWAYS out of balance even more so then the LW gets now!  :mad:

NO THANKS!  :furious
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: The Fugitive on October 24, 2009, 09:52:02 AM
I greatly miss the old RPS from the days of the WWII Arena in WarBirds, but its a sad fact that it'll never fly here. Been brought up many a time, and invariably shot down in flames. I think HT himself has said there will never be an RPS in any of the main arenas, but I may be mistaken.


I think HTC said in that post that the PRS was one of the main reason WB died out.
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Max on October 24, 2009, 10:18:11 AM

I think HTC said in that post that the PRS was one of the main reason WB died out.

That, and Wild Bill's cunning business skills  :rofl
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Treize69 on October 24, 2009, 02:59:13 PM
That, and Wild Bill's cunning business skills  :rofl

I think that is the far more likely reason. That and the ridiculously disappointing release of WBIII. How long of a build up and it started to drive players (like me) out as soon as it was released? Still ranks as one of the worst 'upgrades' to a game ever IMO.
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: TEShaw on October 24, 2009, 03:13:19 PM
Hey hey!

Back when we split the arenas, a few of us tossed around the idea of making a 'progressive' arena which would basically evolve over time, starting with a very early planeset and then gradually working towards the LW rides.

One of the benefits of actually 'winning' the arena by one of the Chess pieces would be the option to lock the planeset for another round, or letting it 'age' to the next tier, perhaps gradually adding more planes as the area matured.  When the arena is won, toss a pop-up to the winning players allowing them a two-option vote on what the next arena would be.  This wouldn't necessarily be locked into an EW/MW/LW planeset, but could see several different phases of the war where several planes get added as they were historically available during WWII.

Any ideas or opinions about how popular this would be, and how HTC could integrate it?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!


This is the sort of lunacy that ended Warbirds. Also, why not remove radar and voice comms because every pilot in the air is not tuned to the same frequency. And Japanese pilots dumped out the radios.
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Bronk on October 24, 2009, 03:39:55 PM
Just say NO to RPS.
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: waystin2 on October 24, 2009, 04:14:35 PM
Is'nt that what the AVA is?  RPS? :huh
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Simba on October 27, 2009, 03:01:36 PM
". . . the ridiculously disappointing release of WBIII. How long of a build up and it started to drive players (like me) out as soon as it was released? Still ranks as one of the worst 'upgrades' to a game ever IMO."

Too right - and they totally porked Dawn of Aces at the same time, from a halfway-decent WW1 sim into a garbage arcade game called 'Flyboys'.

Pah.

 :joystick:
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: CAP1 on October 27, 2009, 04:21:27 PM
Hey hey!

Back when we split the arenas, a few of us tossed around the idea of making a 'progressive' arena which would basically evolve over time, starting with a very early planeset and then gradually working towards the LW rides.

One of the benefits of actually 'winning' the arena by one of the Chess pieces would be the option to lock the planeset for another round, or letting it 'age' to the next tier, perhaps gradually adding more planes as the area matured.  When the arena is won, toss a pop-up to the winning players allowing them a two-option vote on what the next arena would be.  This wouldn't necessarily be locked into an EW/MW/LW planeset, but could see several different phases of the war where several planes get added as they were historically available during WWII.

Any ideas or opinions about how popular this would be, and how HTC could integrate it?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

 it's good that guys are trying to come up with ideas......but i believe that(just like the ew and mw arenas) that the arenas should be left as they are.

 they work nicely, it seems. there can always be some fun to be had in one of them.....and they are what we as the players make of them, and nothing more.  :aok :airplane: :bolt:
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Anaxogoras on October 27, 2009, 04:34:18 PM
Grew to HATE the RPS............... over in WB and prefer to NEVER see or have to deal with it EVER again!   :furious

When one side has access to only LW planes or allied planes the balance of the arena is sooooo lopesided mosty to LW at the early war and then mostly allied there after.  :mad:

The original RPS was not split along axis/allied lines.  Each of the 4 colors had access to all of the aircraft.  I found it to be a lot of fun and would enjoy it again in AH.
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 27, 2009, 08:03:46 PM
Hmm I remember a simular arguement about "perk planes".  IMHO the rolling plane set was a good thing, but folks just always gravitate to the "best" equipment.  Perhaps a rolling arena's EW one week, MW one week, and LW 2 weeks

Perking a plane doesn't deny anyone the ability to fly it, they just have to earn enough perk planes to take one up.  The complete opposite is true of a rolling plane set.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 27, 2009, 08:05:32 PM
I greatly miss the old RPS from the days of the WWII Arena in WarBirds, but its a sad fact that it'll never fly here. Been brought up many a time, and invariably shot down in flames. I think HT himself has said there will never be an RPS in any of the main arenas, but I may be mistaken.

Makes you wonder how successful it really was in WB if HiTech has declared many times that AH will never see a RPS.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Boxboy on October 28, 2009, 01:07:08 AM
Perking a plane doesn't deny anyone the ability to fly it, they just have to earn enough perk planes to take one up.  The complete opposite is true of a rolling plane set.

ack-ack

Doesn't change what I said, when perk plane were first talked about alot of guys said they would leave if it was implemented, that has zero to do with perk planes being justified.
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Steve on October 28, 2009, 01:26:19 AM
Hey hey!

Back when we split the arenas, a few of us tossed around the idea of making a 'progressive' arena which would basically evolve over time, starting with a very early planeset and then gradually working towards the LW rides.


NO
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: dhyran on October 28, 2009, 02:23:27 AM
why not change the EW into a RPS arena? Its allways empty actual, so it could be nice to have a splitted RPS arena, Axis vs Allied with RPS on small maps!
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Bronk on October 28, 2009, 05:36:37 AM
why not change the EW into a RPS arena? Its allways empty actual, so it could be nice to have a splitted RPS arena, Axis vs Allied with RPS on small maps!

Yea so those 6 guys can roll bases with more modern equip. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: CAP1 on October 28, 2009, 07:39:19 AM
Doesn't change what I said, when perk plane were first talked about alot of guys said they would leave if it was implemented, that has zero to do with perk planes being justified.

now this is a valid point.


a LOT of people will say "i'll do this" or "i'll do that" or "if they do this, i'm outta here!". especially on the internet.

 then when whatever it is that stirred em up happens, they more often than not, remain, and adapt to the new conditions.
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: CAP1 on October 28, 2009, 07:39:58 AM
why not change the EW into a RPS arena? Its allways empty actual, so it could be nice to have a splitted RPS arena, Axis vs Allied with RPS on small maps!


why not change the ava instead?
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Ghosth on October 28, 2009, 07:42:20 AM
What Cap1 said, you want an RPS, ok setup the AvA that way for a couple of tours, and we'll see how many fly it.
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: Anaxogoras on October 28, 2009, 03:44:50 PM
What Cap1 said, you want an RPS, ok setup the AvA that way for a couple of tours, and we'll see how many fly it.

You're assuming that an RPS is by definition axis vs. allies.  It's not.  In it's most successful incarnation, each color (gold, red, green, purple) could fly aircraft from any nation.
Title: Re: Instead of 2 "LW" Arenas, Make One a "Rolling" WWII Planeset?
Post by: chewie86 on October 28, 2009, 04:35:21 PM
RPS for AHII!!  :rock