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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 2ADoc on October 27, 2009, 05:36:16 PM
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The N1K2-J should be perked in AvA. When in AvA the only plane that the Axis flies is the N1K2, the fact is that there were not that many of them produced between 1941 thru 1944. It went into production on Dec 27th 1941, and was in production until the end of the war in 1944. Even though it had a 5 year production run according to Jane's and Rand Mcnally only 1345 N1K1-J's were built and only 413 N1K2-J' were built. This is due to the fact that it was not a government supported development project, it was Developed in the private sector. It is tireing going up against them constantly knowing that there were not that many. When the F4U-1C had higher numbers in service and is a Perked plane. Either perk the N1K2 or unperk the F4U-1C.
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Hmmm...I think N1K2-J isn't perked is because it does have that great of a roll rate and is a weak plane like most japanese aircraft.
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Wrong forum. Post this in the AvA forum.
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There's no perk points in the AVA. Be glad we have the N1K2 and Ki-84 otherwise there would be no reason for people to fly Japanese when we have a PTO setup.
A well flown Corsair is more than a match for the N1K2.
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A well flown Corsair is more than a match for the N1K2.
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One of the best matchups in the game IMO
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When the F4U-1C had higher numbers in service and is a Perked plane.
Uh. There were 200 F4U-1Cs built. That's even FEWER than the number of N1K2-Js.
The Charlie is perked because when it first came out EVERYONE was flying it. And I mean that literally, everybody WAS flying it, to the point that it was destabilizing the arena.
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The Charlie is perked
It is perked in the AvA?
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There are now many units in AH that have lower production numbers than the N1K2-J. Its crown is sadly tarnished.
These all have lower production totals than the N1K2-J:
Ar234
Brewster Buffalo
C.205
F4U-1C
Me163
Ostwind
P-47M
Seafire Mk IIc
Ta152
Whirblewind
These variants have lower production:
Il-2 3M with two NS-37 37mm cannons.
La-7 with three B-20 20mm cannons
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It is perked in the AvA?
He asked to either perk the N1K2 or UNperk the Charlie. He's either extending his whine to the Mains, where the Charlie IS perked, or else he's completely confused.
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There are now many units in AH that have lower production numbers than the N1K2-J. Its crown is sadly tarnished.
These all have lower production totals than the N1K2-J:
Ar234
Brewster Buffalo
C.205
F4U-1C
Me163
Ostwind
P-47M
Seafire Mk IIc
Ta152
Whirblewind
These variants have lower production:
Il-2 3M with two NS-37 37mm cannons.
La-7 with three B-20 20mm cannons
it is about time this was addressed I remember Kev367th banging on about the seafireIII being a far more common (better) variant.
I love flying the seafire but having a little more HP will help me CAP/ base vulch better from CV's......
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N1K2-J is too easy of a match with my P-47-25D.
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Psssst..........It's not the plane. :neener:
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Easy-mode A/C, but hardly a stellar performer.
Lackluster at best. Years ago, it used to be ridiculous.
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Easy-mode A/C, but hardly a stellar performer.
Lackluster at best. Years ago, it used to be ridiculous.
What defanged the N1K was the new 3d model that no longer allowed for the extremely gamey over the nose view with the mouse as a gunsight.
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What defanged the N1K was the new 3d model that no longer allowed for the extremely gamey over the nose view with the mouse as a gunsight.
He was talking about before they changed the FM on the plane.
It USED to be a much diff. bird than what we have now.
The current niki is just "decent" when it used to be "great".
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Dont see as many Nikis by far nowadays. When I first started playing it was all you saw.
Now? The sky is full of Mustangs, 190s, and of course Spit-16s. On the next level of sightseeing I'd put Corsairs, P-47s, 109s "75% K4s", Nikis. After that P-38s, LA-7s, Typhies, Hellcats, other Spits...ect
Im probably wrong about some cause I mostly play defense, and am bound to see more pick & runners. But when I first started playing the Niki was easily in the first category with Spit-16s and Mustangs. Some nights in LW, like last night, you seem to go all night without seeing a 10 eny & under airplane. If your lucky you might find a K4 and if you do, like last night, they are probably very good.
This L/W tour the Niki has accounted for about 25,000 K/Ds. Tour 116 even less. Two years ago this month, LW Tour 93, it accounted for about 56,000. Tour 94 about 63,000 K/Ds. The sky used to be full of Nikis. And back then LW K/D tallies were in the 1,300,000 range. Now, for whatever reason, were usually in the 1,000,000 range. Even still one see's far less Nikis. On defense I hardly ever see them.
So it would seem out of less flying LWAs, far less are flying Nikis. My gut tells me the game has gone more to the speed style. The pick and run style. The B&Z style. The Jug family might even be ready to punch over the Mustang as King of this style.
And LA-7s? 2 years ago in LW they posted in the 63,000 K/D range and so far this tour, which is almost over, they are about 20,000. They just dont have the Legs for the big maps.
The Niki has weaknesses players have learned to exploit. Also I think a lot of the serious Niki sticks have moved on to other planes.
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He asked to either perk the N1K2 or UNperk the Charlie. He's either extending his whine to the Mains, where the Charlie IS perked, or else he's completely confused.
Completely confused. ;)
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My gut tells me the game has gone more to the speed style. The pick and run style. The B&Z style. The Jug family might even be ready to punch over the Mustang as King of this style.
This.
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What defanged the N1K was the new 3d model that no longer allowed for the extremely gamey over the nose view with the mouse as a gunsight.
I'd say this probably the truest answer. Because otherwise there is nothing wrong with the N1K that wasn't wrong with it before. I never saw a good case for it being ENY 5.
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I'd say this probably the truest answer. Because otherwise there is nothing wrong with the N1K that wasn't wrong with it before. I never saw a good case for it being ENY 5.
See Lute's comment.
Prior to the FM change, the NIKI's vertical performance - specifically its ability to seemingly hang on the prop indefinately - pushed the laws of physics a tad.
T'was like an AH64 with four 20mm cannon pointing out of the main rotor hub.
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See Lute's comment.
Prior to the FM change, the NIKI's vertical performance - specifically its ability to seemingly hang on the prop indefinately - pushed the laws of physics a tad.
T'was like an AH64 with four 20mm cannon pointing out of the main rotor hub.
I was speaking of the change where it got its graphical update...are we referring to some earlier N1K version?
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I was speaking of the change where it got its graphical update...are we referring to some earlier N1K version?
Yes. Prior to the graphical update, there was a change to the flight modelling of the A/C.
Prior to the FM update, the whines about the N1K's performance eclipsed today's whines about the Spit 16 by leaps and bounds.
Depending on the effectiveness of Skuzzy's Mao-like BBS purges, you might be able to read some of the old threads from... what... 2004/2005-ish, maybe? Dont recall when the update was done... I only remember the day my hanger no longer had an option titled "Bf-109G-10." :(
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Yes. Prior to the graphical update, there was a change to the flight modelling of the A/C.
Prior to the FM update, the whines about the N1K's performance eclipsed today's whines about the Spit 16 by leaps and bounds.
Depending on the effectiveness of Skuzzy's Mao-like BBS purges, you might be able to read some of the old threads from... what... 2004/2005-ish, maybe? Dont recall when the update was done... I only remember the day my hanger no longer had an option titled "Bf-109G-10." :(
The FM change had almost no effect on the N1K2-J's usage though, so I think you are reaching at straws. The N1K2-J's usage tanked only with the 3D model update.
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No need to perk a thing in the AVA. :aok
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The FM change had almost no effect on the N1K2-J's usage though, so I think you are reaching at straws. The N1K2-J's usage tanked only with the 3D model update.
Color me confused. The only claim Ive made is that the change to the N1K's FM neutered its performance.
Since it did - and since Ive made no comments about usage - Im not sure how Im reaching for anything.
Heck, Im not even making an arguement; only deseminating information.
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Sorry, misunderstood where you were going.
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The niki is a fine plane... it is also quite easy to kill... so stop complaning... :joystick:
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The FM change had almost no effect on the N1K2-J's usage though, so I think you are reaching at straws. The N1K2-J's usage tanked only with the 3D model update.
It was with the 3D update that the FM changes took effect. Many folks felt it couldn't hold a turn like it used to.
This is also true of the LA7 and its graphical update. They're almost (dare I say it??) rare these days, compared to how they used to fly. Very subtle changes that totally change the overall lethality of the plane.
Folks moved onto the super-fubar flight model of the spit16 and spit8 instead.
I see it (by that I mean I predict it) happening more and more as the older 3D models are updated, and along with it minor FM tweaks to the higher-fidelity flight system.
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It was with the 3D update that the FM changes took effect. Many folks felt it couldn't hold a turn like it used to.
They are talking about a change that happened long before that. As you may have noted, Saurdaukar commented that the change happened when they updated the Bf109s and he lost his Bf109G-10.
And you still have not provided any evidence at all that the Spit XVI, and now I see you've added the Spit VIII, flight model is wrong. You just whine about them because they are effective.
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...that the change happened when they updated the Bf109s and he lost his Bf109G-10.
For the record, I do not recall exactly when the FM was changed. May have been with the 109 line upgrade or not.
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For the record, I do not recall exactly when the FM was changed. May have been with the 109 line upgrade or not.
Version 2.03 was when the FM changed on the niki. (early 2005 ish) They tweaked the FM on the FW and the N1K2.
T'was a sad day for me.
Compare the kills the N1K2 had in say... November 2004 vs. what it had in May or June 2005. I would be curious how much they dropped off.
I for one don't have a clue what y'all talking about with the 'page up' on the niki. That is something I never really have done so I can't say what it used to be like. I was at a friends house who loved to fly tiffies and he always paged up and used his mouse. I sat down at his computer and tried to fly that way and hated it. Sure I could see better but the angles seemed off.
The only plane that I will do the page up thing in is the 163. (and whirbles/ostis on the ground of course)
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Thanks, Lute.
I didnt realize the FW update was in the same patch as the N1K update. The A5 used to be a beast in the vertical - and its no slouch, now.
I really cant compare the two N1K FM's because I dont fly it, but I do vidivly recall the changes to the Anton 190's.