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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: SuBWaYCH on October 27, 2009, 09:35:59 PM
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We'll start easy:
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/KnightCH/Bundesarchiv_DVM_10_Bild-23-63-12_S.jpg)
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Hmmm Yamato?
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The Scharnhorst (The description in the bottom left corner gave it away)
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dangit caould anyone remind me how to post a picture lol?
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Too Easy Subway!!!
A Question first? The particular ship? Or, just the class of ship?
Both for extra points!!!!
Try this one!
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/RipChord929/NameThatShip.jpg)
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Hmm... Japanese ship.
Casemate mounts for secondary artillery, so it's WWI vintage.
My guess: Kongo-class... the Haruna perhaps?
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Sorry Snailman!!! Good guess tho!!! Great stab at the extra points too!!!
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Nagato class. Would say the Matsu as it appears to have a single stack.
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WTG Milo!!! Got the extra points too!! IJN Mutsu... First ships in the world to mount 16in guns!!
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Lets try another... I have a huge collection of these photos!!!
This should be a little tougher!!!
Try this one!!
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/RipChord929/NamethatShip-1.jpg)
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Zuikaku
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Dammit Milo... Your good man... Sunk it with one shot!!!
RC
OK try this one...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/RipChord929/NamethatShip-2.jpg)
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Ok, try this one
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-12/1114844/BB2-1.jpg)
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Tough one Milo!! Gonna guess, HMS Erin..... Actually a Turkish Battleship, siezed after WWI by treaty of Versaille...
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Tough one Milo!! Gonna guess, HMS Erin.....
:aok :salute
Try this one
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-12/1114844/BB1-1.jpg)
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Seen that one before too, lemme think about it... Gotta feed the horses, be back in awhile....
This is kind of a fun game!!!
Anyone else wanna take a shot, go ahead!!!
RC
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British dreadnought class?
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British dreadnought class?
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Nope.
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Ahh, it has a star.
Russian WW1 era battleship? I'm guessing it's a battleship because it has three guns. Cannot find a name for it though.
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Ed. It could also be a battlecruiser...
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Is it a German Battlecruiser? Perhaps the von der Tann?
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No and no.
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Still havnt guessed the Jap one? I was going to say Kongo class but its hard to tell with the photo. For instance I cant see if its one stack or two and I cant see the rear turret. Its top heavy super structure sure looks like the Kongo however.
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Dante Alighieri, Italian battleship.
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us battleship?
New Jersey?
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I think Charge has it.
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Yep, Charge got it first.... WTG man... Dante Aligiere
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Alrighty, try this one!!
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/RipChord929/NameThatShip-3.jpg)
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Yep, Charge got it first.... WTG man... Dante Aligiere
?? looked it up at google pictures. Dante Aligiere looks different. RipChord929, could you give me a link to that ship?
I think you are wrong. Shape is more like US ship.
SF
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You cant go by bridgeworks and mastheads... You have to go by Turret type, and Turret/Funnel placement...
Also by the side of the hull, cut of the bow... Bridgeworks and mastheads changed often, with every refit...
The Funnels and triple turrets are the giveaway for that ship.. None other like it, only ship in class too...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/RipChord929/dantealighieri1.jpg)
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Or take a look at the article in Wikipedia: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante_Alighieri_(nave_da_battaglia)
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Or take a look at the article in Wikipedia: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante_Alighieri_(nave_da_battaglia)
link doesn´t help at all :(
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You cant go by bridgeworks and mastheads... You have to go by Turret type, and Turret/Funnel placement...
Also by the side of the hull, cut of the bow... Bridgeworks and mastheads changed often, with every refit...
The Funnels and triple turrets are the giveaway for that ship.. None other like it, only ship in class too...
sry, but both ships look totally different. Look at the mastheads and turrets. Your first pic shows a ship that comes very close to US type pre WWII warship. Italien ships never had such kind of mastheads.
But....maybe I am just old and blind... :D
SF
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Wait a sec, I'll illustrate what I mean...
IJN Kongo as originally built by Vickers LTD in England
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/RipChord929/tmb_ship_kongo14.jpg)
And After 2 refits in Japan
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/RipChord929/tmb_ship_kongo5.jpg)
And it looked completely diff yet in WWII.. After 2 more refits..
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Wait a sec, I'll illustrate what I mean...
How about this:
Battleship Division Nine WWI
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7494/800pxbattleshipdivision.jpg)
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link doesn´t help at all :(
for some reason, the last ) is getting dropped from the link. Just add it manually.
And this is the picture:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/b/b1/RN_Dante_Alighieri.jpg)
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Charge :aok :salute
It is the Dante Alighiere in 1923.
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Milos pic was kinda sneeky, alot of the ship was covered by awnings...
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Wait a sec, I'll illustrate what I mean...
ok, no more argument. From being a Fiat they rebuild the ship into a Maserati :)
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OK, thats settled... I still have the next up....
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/RipChord929/NameThatShip-3.jpg)
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Rip, I would say your pic is RN, a St. Vincent class.
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:aok WTG again Milo... Your as good at this navy stuff as I am...
Actually admiral class, St Vincent is dead on tho...
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Am I to assume that we are sticking with Battleships, regardless of era...?
Think I'm gonna back off, let some others take a few swings at em....
Enjoying this tho!!! Wish we had some Naval action in the game... It would add a WHOLE new aspect!!!
RC
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OH OH it's the one in my bath tub :)
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:aok WTG again Milo... Your as good at this navy stuff as I am...
Actually admiral class, St Vincent is dead on tho...
RA Burt calls it the St Vincent class in his book.
Ok, the next one.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-12/1114844/BB3-1.jpg)
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WTG Milo!!! Got the extra points too!! IJN Mutsu... First ships in the world to mount 16in guns!!
Nagato was the first, Maryland second and Mutsu was the third battleship with 16" guns to be commissioned. However, the Maryland was the first to be laid down (begin construction).
Commissioning dates...
Nagato: 11/15/1920
Maryland: 7/21/1921
Mutsu: 10/24/1921
My regards,
Widewing
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OMG, I keep forgetting that I have to spell out every tiny thing around here... Notice, it says "shipS"... Mutsu is obviously only one ship, but part of a class of two, that class was first with 16in...
I don't sit with a book in front of me looking up dates of launch and completion...
I do this stuff mostly, 90% from memory... And I do pretty good too!!!
So Ooh, ya got me!!! LOL!!! :salute LOL!!!
I have alot of fun in life, because I'm not so anally retentive about things that are completely inconsequential...
Have a nice day
RC
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The Nagato class BBs have always been among the most interesting looking and attractive battleships in my opinion.
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White turrets and French flag. Probably Lorraine, Bretagne class anyway.
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Ed. Lorraine due not having the center turret but aircraft catapult instead.
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I was originally gonna say Provence of the Bretagne class, but the more I study the picture the more I thought it was Bretagne herself..
These ships are so much alike, and all refitted over the years.
But Charge have the correct answer I think, its got to be Lorraine after the removed midships turret and mounted aircraft catapult..
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Charge :aok :salute
Lorraine in 1944
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Should be easy:
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5575/188343993.jpg) (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/188343993.jpg/)
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for some reason, the last ) is getting dropped from the link. Just add it manually.
And this is the picture:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/b/b1/RN_Dante_Alighieri.jpg)
This looks like the Sevastopol
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Ok, time for a hint: Was struck by a British Swordfish's torpedo, visited New York couple years later. ;)
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Ok, time for a hint: Was struck by a British Swordfish's torpedo, visited New York couple years later. ;)
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Richelieu
My regards,
Widewing
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Correct. :aok
I was rather surprised to learn that France had such impressive battleships during WW2.
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(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/aship2.jpg)
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bismark (swing and a miss?)
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Italy, Doria class
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Italy, Doria class
Is "class" close enough? <G>
Caio Duilio
Italy had some nice looking ships.
Pipz
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Is "class" close enough? <G>
Caio Duilio
Italy had some nice looking ships.
Pipz
You are correct as to the class. It's specifically the Caio Duilio, massively rebuilt in the early 1930s, and as a result were very similar to the Conti di Cavour class.
My regards,
Widewing
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Correct. :aok
I was rather surprised to learn that France had such impressive battleships during WW2.
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Both Richelieu and Jean Bart were very modern and very capable ships. Some rate them as superior to the Bismarck and Tirpitz. Check out this battleship rating website: http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm (http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm)
My regards,
Widewing
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That Imperial Japanese navy page is interesting.Theres an article in there somewhere that gets into the economics of the war.I like the hypothetical discussion on what would have happened if the US navy lost at Midway.
This one is probably pretty easy for you guys but I thought Charge may find it interesting <G>
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/aship.jpg)
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That would be the Dunkerque
Vati
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That would be the Dunkerque
Vati
Thats it.People seem to love or hate the looks of that ship.
Pipz
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(http://webhome.idirect.com/~kettles/uncle/athab.jpg)
name this ship hint there has been a investigation if sh was sank by the enemy or if it was friendly fire.
(http://uboat.net/allies/warships/photos/ca/corvette_flower_rcn_algoma.jpg)
and here a bonus if you can get the first
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Not hard to guess with the Pennant Num. showing.
Tribal Class Destroyer, HMCS Athabaskan
Flower Class Corvette, HMCS Algoma.
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ok ok ok lol i guess if you look up the pennant numbers its not hard but ill ask this how many tribals class destroyes and flower class corvettes did canada have during ww2 with out looking at the internet guess at the top of your head lol
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"Both Richelieu and Jean Bart were very modern and very capable ships. Some rate them as superior to the Bismarck and Tirpitz."
They might have been when facing the enemy - but with their entire main armament mounted forward, they'd have had a hell of a time countering fire from an enemy coming up astern, same as the Royal Navy's Rodney and Nelson. Of course, they could have turned broadside-on to fire but that would have denied them the full benefit of their high maximum speed when escaping from superior forces.
Without looking it up on the WWW, number of Tribal Class destroyers operated by Canada during WW2: eight. Number of Flower Class corvettes built in Canada during WW2: 42. I presume most if not all served with the RCN and I know four 'Modified Flowers' were transferred from the ten built in the UK for the Royal Navy.
Cheers!
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"Both Richelieu and Jean Bart were very modern and very capable ships. Some rate them as superior to the Bismarck and Tirpitz."
They might have been when facing the enemy - but with their entire main armament mounted forward, they'd have had a hell of a time countering fire from an enemy coming up astern, same as the Royal Navy's Rodney and Nelson. Of course, they could have turned broadside-on to fire but that would have denied them the full benefit of their high maximum speed when escaping from superior forces.
Cheers!
Yes, an enemy behind them would be an issue. On the other side, steering towards the enemy, they could bring the full weight of a broad side on an enemy ship while presenting the smallest possible target. They also presented a rapid changing range issue for the enemy fire control, as well as their own. Before the Richelieu and Jean Bart were built, the French recognized that their best bet with the earlier Dunkerque and Strassbourg was to reduce range to where their 13" guns could be more effective. The 15" guns on the later ships provided for better stand-off effectiveness.
My regards,
Widewing
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"steering towards the enemy, they could bring the full weight of a broad side on an enemy ship while presenting the smallest possible target."
To which the correct response for the pursuers would be to turn broadside-on to 'cross the T' and bring all guns to bear, of course.
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"steering towards the enemy, they could bring the full weight of a broad side on an enemy ship while presenting the smallest possible target."
To which the correct response for the pursuers would be to turn broadside-on to 'cross the T' and bring all guns to bear, of course.
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In that case you would have the French aiming all theyre guns at the side of an enemy ship while the enemy ship only has a smaller bow on view of the French.So the French would have a better target.The tactic of crossing the T was so that you cut down the enemys firepower because they would not be able to bring theyre rear turrets to bear.In this case it doesnt matter since the French guns are all forward.Now running away thats another problem for the French ship I would think.
Pipz
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I always thought ships of this era were cool looking.
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/aship3.jpg)
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Iron Duke class, not sure which ship though.
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Iron Duke class, not sure which ship though.
Jeezzz I just posted that maybe 2 minutes ago.Cant you guys let it sit and soak in for a bit hehhehehheh
I must be posting the easy stuff <G>
Pipz
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"steering towards the enemy, they could bring the full weight of a broad side on an enemy ship while presenting the smallest possible target."
To which the correct response for the pursuers would be to turn broadside-on to 'cross the T' and bring all guns to bear, of course.
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Which gains you nothing more that parity, and presents the the bow-on ship an easier gun solution.
The Japanese also employed the "all guns forward" theory to one class of heavy cruiser. I think that the disadvantages out-weigh the positives, but under certain circumstances the configuration could provide a tactical advantage.
My regards,
Widewing
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(http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/canada/photos/hmcs_ontario/1944_ontario.jpg) you guys may know the class but name the actual ship
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Southampton class, Sheffield?
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Ed. Due to paint job I'd say its Newcastle
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I always thought ships of this era were cool looking.
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z207/Pimpzdog/aship3.jpg)
Iron Duke leaving Portsmouth, early 1914.
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Iron Duke leaving Portsmouth, early 1914.
You got it
Pipz
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Southampton class, Sheffield?
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Ed. Due to paint job I'd say its Newcastle
good try but guess again
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I don't have a clue.
To me it looks awfully lot like a Southampton class light cruiser.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KZKtgQBJEn0/RurWFbq01aI/AAAAAAAA9i8/AdjieUrTtLo/HMS+NEWCASTLE..jpg
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/southampton_class.htm
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This looks to be a Minotaur class light cruiser. Possibly, HMS Swiftsure.
My regards,
Widewing
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I'm a bit confused. Many of the British light cruisers classes of that era look almost the same...:headscratch:
http://uboat.net/allies/warships/class.html?ID=186
http://uboat.net/allies/warships/types.html?type=Light+cruiser
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(http://www.navweaps.com/index_inro/GERbb08_Bismarck-LDclr.jpg)
sould be fairly easy
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Bismarck Class
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yup
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HMS/HMCS Uganda
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HMS/HMCS Uganda
Yep, or Quebec. I found the same photo here: http://www.naval-history.net/Photo06clUganda1NP.jpg (http://www.naval-history.net/Photo06clUganda1NP.jpg)
If you right-click on the original photo, the ship's name is in the file name.
My regards,
Widewing
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Yep, or Quebec. I found the same photo here: http://www.naval-history.net/Photo06clUganda1NP.jpg (http://www.naval-history.net/Photo06clUganda1NP.jpg)
If you right-click on the original photo, the ship's name is in the file name.
My regards,
Widewing
actually its HMCS ontario but your right good job
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Hint!
Most powerfull ship on the planet. Blank shot from her forecastle gun caused 75 years of poverty.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/N22/Aurora_1903.jpg)
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Potempkin?
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Potempkin?
Nope:)
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Aurora?
<S>
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i cheated
Aurora_1903.jpg
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Yep.
On 25 October 1917, the refusal of an order for the Aurora to take to sea sparked the October Revolution. At 9.45 p.m. on that date, a blank shot from her forecastle gun signalled the start of the assault on the Winter Palace, which was to be the last episode of the October Revolution. Aurora's crew actually took part in the attack...and result we all know.
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Not a very good pic (scanned years ago from a small postcard) but it features a historically important ship. What ship and where?
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/Simba_of_DuxWing/811d_1.jpg)
:cool:
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The last British battleship.
The boat in the forground looks like a post war MGB.
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only ship I have ever been on.
then a few years later I did a pen and ink drawing of it that they(gift shop) sold prints of when I was 15.
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/constitution.jpg)
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Not a very good pic (scanned years ago from a small postcard) but it features a historically important ship. What ship and where?
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/Simba_of_DuxWing/811d_1.jpg)
:cool:
Vanguard?
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The Royal Navy's last battleship (and the only one ever built with a square transom stern) Vanguard it is, photographed from Ferry Gardens, Gosport.
Nabob, son of Paybob, did journey forth to Gosport
In search of an all-night-in,
But on his way he fell amongst bandits,
Not ordinary bandits but . . .
:rolleyes:
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I always thought the Vanguard was an interesting build.A new ship with turrets and guns from WW1 era battlecruisers.
Pipz
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This should be an easy one.
(http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss327/Allaire69/BBpic.jpg)
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Yamato or Musashi after the refit that removed six of the 6.1" guns in favor of greater AA capability.
Gorgeous ships.
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mind boggling ship the yamato,the armour speed and guns, simply amazing.
Then the ijn just let it die, travesty.
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Yep the Yamato. Pic I found said it was a picture from it's sea trials.
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Yep the Yamato. Pic I found said it was a picture from it's sea trials.
Nice looking ship. Never realized the bridge was so high proportionally to the rest of the design. Also seems like a lot of spare bow space, but I guess it wouldn't be stable for any gun platforms.
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"only ship I have ever been on.
then a few years later I did a pen and ink drawing of it that they(gift shop) sold prints of when I was 15."
U.S.S. Constitution?
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"only ship I have ever been on.
then a few years later I did a pen and ink drawing of it that they(gift shop) sold prints of when I was 15."
U.S.S. Constitution?
I know too easy :aok
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A very good book
(http://www.yamato.dk/anatomy.jpg)
# Hardcover: 192 pages
# Publisher: Conway Maritime Press Ltd; 2nd edition (June 24, 2004)
# ISBN-10: 0851779409
# ISBN-13: 978-0851779409
# Product Dimensions: 10.3 x 9.7 x 0.9 inches
Only 32 pages of text and photos. The rest is scale line drawings.
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mind boggling ship the yamato,the armour speed and guns, simply amazing.
Then the ijn just let it die, travesty.
Indeed, the Yamatos were remarkable in many ways. Post war analysis does indicate that they were inferior in some critical areas to the Iowa class. They were slower, not as well designed for survivability and lacked the U.S. BBs supremely accurate fire control radars. The penetration of the 18.1" shells was barely equal to the American 16" shells at long range. The faster ship certainly determines engagement range. Halsey was chafing at the bit to turn his Iowas loose against the Yamatos. It wasn't meant to be.
Yamato fought but one surface engagement, which was at Samar in October of 1944. There, she spent much of her time dodging torpedoes from American destroyers, collected a bevy of 5" rounds from same (superficial damage), and then was strafed and bombed by American Naval aircraft. In general, she contributed little. At Samar, she was Kurita's flagship, and when the Japanese finally had a chance to do some serious damage to American jeep carriers, Kurita lost his nerve and retired from the fight.
Both Yamatos represented the pinnacle of pre-war battleship design. Their deck armor was and would remain the best ever built onto a ship. Their main belt armor was very heavy, but was constructed of softer steel than that of the Iowas. Both the Iowas and the South Dakota's had superior STS armor plate, which more than offset the Yamato's greater thickness. When the Iowas entered service in 1944, the Yamatos no longer lived alone at the top of the food chain.
My regards,
Widewing
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Here is some interesting reading about the armor plate used on the Yamato class turrets.
http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-040.htm (http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-040.htm)
Vati