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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: pimpjoe on September 25, 2001, 12:48:00 AM
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(http://www.unsere-luftwaffe.de/inhalt/jagdflz/he162.jpg)
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OK, i'm reaching here, HE163, or 168, plywood construction?
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close but no cigar
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i know what is pimpjoe. but if ya wanna outsmart umm rename the image next time............
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That's too easy, even without looking at the image name.
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hehe.....too easy huh
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I think i got about 7 images of that plane............ :)
hint volksjaeger..........
besides brady is my squad mate..........
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Thats a HE 162 Volksjäger, not a real tough one.
But ask Brady, i the FA NG we had a nice little game, he posted a name this, and i answered usually within the next 2 mins if it was a LW bird. :D
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Any idea about this one ? ;)
(http://allaboutwarfare.com/files/pictures/various/quiz/quiz01.jpeg)
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FW 187 (not at home but hope i remember the type right)
twin engined fighter
2 seats, 4xMG17 and 2xMG FF
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but image is very bad, if u have a sharper one, i can be sure
[ 09-25-2001: Message edited by: Naudet ]
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FW187 Falke.
This plane was much much better, lighter, faster, climbs better, etc) than contemporay Bf110s and even 50mph faster than early 109s even when powered by inferior Jumo210 engines compared to the Bf110s DB601s. Its a shame this plane did not see wider service, however it was used throught the war by FW factory protection units. For example its intial climb rate is about 3500fpm, taking 5.8 minutes to reach 6000meters (20k). Oh yea this is with 2 730hp Jumo210 engines. Imagine it with 2 1100hp BB601s....... Now brace yourself for this, its wing loading at its MAXIMUM TAKE-OFF weight of 11,023lbs is only 33.68lbs/sq.foot It carried an armament of 2 20mm cannon and 4 7.92mm MG.
For some unknown political reason the LW never allowed it into full production, even after Bf110 squadron combat pilots who actually flew the Fw187 in combat out of Norway found it better than the Bf110 in every way. Again remember it did this with 2 730hp engines, imagine it with 2 1100hp DB601s or 1300hp DB601Es, nearly twice the power for no real weight increase.
DAMN!
This plane is basically what the DH Hornet of 1946 ended up being in concept, a very small compact and light plane with two engines. NO im not implying anything.
[ 09-25-2001: Message edited by: GRUNHERZ ]
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Correct answer, it's the only known picture of the Falke operating in Norway.
It was indeed a sound design with a lot of potential, even if some studies like using the evaporation cooling on the V6 prototype were unsucessful.
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Do u know if ever a FW187 had contact with hostile planes or if it score a kill??
From what i know the operations in Norway were short lived, same with the Werkschutzstaffel duty for the FW-Factory.
After 1941 no FW187 was in active service so far i know.
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They are of course rumors that the ISS Fw-187 shot down some plane, but it's just that : rumors. There are no proof that they ever fired a shot in anger at the FW factory. As far as i remember no claims were made by the 13./JG 77, i'll check my sources when i back home.
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Hey hey... I would like THAT Twin engined fighter in the game :)
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Hi Grünherz,
though the Fw 187 suffered from the change to the low-powered Jumo engines ordered by the RLM, it was a high-performance aircraft anyway.
It's closest counterpart probably was the Westland Whirlwind, a British twin-engined single-seat fighter of very similar design.
There were differences, of course: The Whirlwind was designed as cannon fighter from the start with a quadruple 20 mm nose battery. Counting engine generations from the emergence of the modern all-metal monoplane fighter, the Fw 187 unlike the Whirlwind was designed for 2nd generation engines.
The Whirlwind's Peregrines represented the peak of 1st generation performance, but were an operational failure as their performance was achieved at the expense of reliability. Ironically, the Fw 187 ended up with 1st generation engines as well due to the German procurement strategy! For the Whirlwind, the opposite change, to 2nd generation engines (Merlins!), was examined, but proven to be out of reach without a complete airframe redesign.
The Whirlwind finally saw brief service as a ground attack aircraft in what the Luftwaffe would have considered the destroyer role. The Fw 187 was inofficially tested by a Zerstörer unit in Norway, but the Luftwaffe quickly ended the unauthorized tests as soon as the pilots tried to recommend the type for combat use.
While it may be true that Göring's enthusiasm for the Me 110 had something to do with the lack of attention the Fw 187 received, there was a more pressing reason for not acquiring it for the Luftwaffe:
The German aviation industry of the late 1930s was just beginning to gear up for mass production, starting from what had been very small production runs in the decade before. The engine manufacturers were in a similar situation, experiencing had great difficulties in providing the number of engines required by the aircraft industry.
The politically imposed necessity to build a large airforce quickly meant that the Fw 187 made no sense, as it offered performance very similar to that of the single-engined Me 109, but required twice the number of engines for it. Not only would it have exceeded the engine manufacturers production capacity, it would also have been more expensive, and the German economy was so badly stressed by the war preparations that even for Hitler, money mattered.
Though neither the Fw 187 nor the Whirlwind played even a minor role in the history of WW2, one could speculate that - had they somehow overcome their problems - they today would be nothing less than legendary. In the Battle of Britain, both of the twin-engined fighters could have played an important role: The Fw 187 would have had the range that the fast Me 109 hadn't, and the performance that the long-ranged Me 110 was lacking. It could have succesfully covered the Luftwaffe bombers were the Messerschmitts failed!
The Whirlwind, on the other hand, would have been a lethal weapon against just these bombers: With good endurance, it would have been up in the sky and waiting for the Luftwaffe when the Spitfires and Hurricanes were still trying to climb for altitude. The Whirlwinds powerful armament would have been devestating against the German bombers - much more destructive than the rifle-calibre machine guns of the RAF's single-engined fighters.
Had the cutting edge of British metallurgy been a bit sharper, the Whirlwind might have made it, and had the Luftwaffe had decided to go with the Fw 187 instead of the Messerschmitt combo, the memory of the Battle of Britain today would not be one of Me 109s fighting Spitfires, but one of Fw 187s fighting Whirlwinds!
Can you tell I love alternate history? :-)
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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:), I do wish someday they would model it,Capt. Erich Brown refered to it as the best german jet fighter gun platform.
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And a "Spider Crab" might be nice, too. ;)
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"too easy", yup ;)
Got lots of info about it if anyone wants it, was made to be flown by Hitler Jugend (with other words, kids) but it was found to be too difficult and even very experienced pilots had problems controlling it. it saw service and action though, JV44 used it, among other jets.
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Fw187 a pretty cool plane too, reach high top speed early in the war, it had lots of potential so it's a shame they didn't develop it further :(
Cockpit in it was very small though so some of the engine instruments (if I am not mistaking) was put on the inside of the engine cover, so the pilot had to look out and read the engine instruments.