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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: MachFly on November 02, 2009, 01:52:01 AM
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I would like to be able to switch to a gear from neutral while rolling down the hill. Because right now you have to come to a complete stop in order to continue moving on your own power.
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What kind of vehicle are you talking about?
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Every GV
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I assume you're rolling cus its quicker than driving in top gear, in which case the engine and gearbox will disintegrate as soon as you disengage the clutch. of course you would have lost the tracks or destroyed most of the drivetrain well before that.
would take some coading for the damage model, a better solution would be disallow gvs from rolling in neutral.
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I assume you're rolling cus its quicker than driving in top gear, in which case the engine and gearbox will disintegrate as soon as you disengage the clutch.
Not but the time you slow down to your top speed or slower. So say I'm rolling down the hill on neutral at 20mph, I have to come to a complete stop and then accelerate on my own power to 25mph.
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IMO what your complaining about is what your asking for.
You want a realistic gear box, ok, but that is not a gearbox from some lightweight sports car.
Those are TONS you have rolling down that hill. Drop it into any gear but the exact correct one with the right amount of throttle and you should have an exploded gearbox, broken drive train or no tracks, or both plus tank tumbling down the hill.
Just for a rough example, try it in a farm truck with several tons of grain onboard, rolling 30 mph, and drop it into low and drop the clutch. Risks FAR FAR outweigh any benefit. Just was not done with tanks I do not believe. For sure not at more than a couple MPH.
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IMO what your complaining about is what your asking for.
You want a realistic gear box, ok, but that is not a gearbox from some lightweight sports car.
Those are TONS you have rolling down that hill. Drop it into any gear but the exact correct one with the right amount of throttle and you should have an exploded gearbox, broken drive train or no tracks, or both plus tank tumbling down the hill.
Just for a rough example, try it in a farm truck with several tons of grain onboard, rolling 30 mph, and drop it into low and drop the clutch. Risks FAR FAR outweigh any benefit. Just was not done with tanks I do not believe. For sure not at more than a couple MPH.
What difference does the size of the vehicle make? Same process all the time: clutch in, select gear, increase RPMs to match the speed, and clutch out.
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the difference being that I doubt this is a circumstance of going "20mph" and having a problem as the OP stated........ why would you be rolling down a hill at 20 in neutral if you could get 25 in gear?
I believe what your wanting is when youre going 90mph down a hill to be able to shift to a gear without stopping..........
and as stated that would not be physically possible in real life so why should it be in the game
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Not but the time you slow down to your top speed or slower. So say I'm rolling down the hill on neutral at 20mph, I have to come to a complete stop and then accelerate on my own power to 25mph.
I calling this - if you want to get to 20mph in a gv its at least as quick to accelerate under power than to roll. you clearly want to roll at 80 until the hill bottoms out then carry straight on at 25 at the bottom. ie. taking one very gamey aspect of gvs and making it even more gamey.
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I love going 500mph down a mountain and flying a mile its the best part of gving lol
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yeah it is kinda fun :D
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It would be nice to be able to shift into gears once your speed has returned to the proper RPM range. But to make it work it would probably have to be made so you can shift to a selected gear instead of shifting 1-2-3-4 and so on.
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It would be nice to be able to shift into gears once your speed has returned to the proper RPM range.
Exactly.
When you are on the bottom of the hill going 20mph to accelerate to your top speed you need to come to a complete stop. That's not right.
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Flying down a hill in a WWII tank in neutral, going 90+ miles an hour...THAT'S not right.
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ok this would not work in real life ether.i drive a triaxle dump truck with 21 ton.if i was going down a hill and threw it into to neutral and before getting to the botton decided to put it in eight gear and the speed is far to much for eight gear and i let out the clutch.bang.there goes my rearend,gear box, trans mission drive shafts, and then some.it will not work. :x
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ok this would not work in real life ether.i drive a triaxle dump truck with 21 ton.if i was going down a hill and threw it into to neutral and before getting to the botton decided to put it in eight gear and the speed is far to much for eight gear and i let out the clutch.bang.there goes my rearend,gear box, trans mission drive shafts, and then some.it will not work. :x
Thats understandable, which is why it should only be enabled once your vehicle has slowed down to that gears operational range. I get mad at my wife all the time because she puts my car into 1st well before she has come to a stop...she thinks that it doesnt harm it since she hasnt let out the clutch...but in modern transmissions your synchros still have to match the engine speed and by jamming it into first too soon you will wear your synchro out. But if your going downhill and you level out at 45mph in your M3, I dont see why you wouldnt be able to put it in 4th gear and just keep driving.
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Thats understandable, which is why it should only be enabled once your vehicle has slowed down to that gears operational range. I get mad at my wife all the time because she puts my car into 1st well before she has come to a stop...she thinks that it doesnt harm it since she hasnt let out the clutch...but in modern transmissions your synchros still have to match the engine speed and by jamming it into first too soon you will wear your synchro out. But if your going downhill and you level out at 45mph in your M3, I dont see why you wouldnt be able to put it in 4th gear and just keep driving.
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As long as you are within the speed range of the top gear, then you will be able to engage it without problem.
As for going 90 in a tank... well... yeah damage to tracks would be an appropriate reprimand. Maybe with the new damage model we'll see something like this.
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Thats understandable, which is why it should only be enabled once your vehicle has slowed down to that gears operational range. I get mad at my wife all the time because she puts my car into 1st well before she has come to a stop...she thinks that it doesnt harm it since she hasnt let out the clutch...but in modern transmissions your synchros still have to match the engine speed and by jamming it into first too soon you will wear your synchro out. But if your going downhill and you level out at 45mph in your M3, I dont see why you wouldnt be able to put it in 4th gear and just keep driving.
:aok exactly what I been trying to explain
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just consider it the price you pay for high speed downhill in neutral.........as stated earlier....... if you want to "fix" the problem then the proper thing to do is stop the cause........ no more warpspeed slides
you do realize you can just as easily stay in gear while going downhill right?........ then when you get to the bottom you wont have this problem
I know I know........ then you cant have that unrealistic high speed that you want to further enhance by saying the inability to put it back in gear is unrealistic
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I have had miles engagements with TOW vs. Tanks where M-60's have done just this kind of thing . While they dont go anywhere near the crazy speed we are allowed in here . Until the Jeep was replaced by the Hmmuwv getting over ran by MBT's was a thing you had to deal with . No tanker ever got them up over 40 mph , because replacing tracks is just not fun . I have also had them disable their governors for the same kind of reason . The only thing that stopped this stuff was a vehicle that could go 35 mph over terrain that would have rolled a jeep at 10 mph .
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IMO what your complaining about is what your asking for.
You want a realistic gear box, ok, but that is not a gearbox from some lightweight sports car.
Those are TONS you have rolling down that hill. Drop it into any gear but the exact correct one with the right amount of throttle and you should have an exploded gearbox, broken drive train or no tracks, or both plus tank tumbling down the hill.
Just for a rough example, try it in a farm truck with several tons of grain onboard, rolling 30 mph, and drop it into low and drop the clutch. Risks FAR FAR outweigh any benefit. Just was not done with tanks I do not believe. For sure not at more than a couple MPH.
Amen! Was 13 years old driving a wheat truck when my brakes failed and had to go through the gears. Missed the McDonald's in Orienta by -> <- that much. :O
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Amen! Was 13 years old driving a wheat truck when my brakes failed and had to go through the gears. Missed the McDonald's in Orienta by -> <- that much. :O
so you stalled the engine and stopped that way?
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I suspect he downshifted his way through the gears. Which is very possible, as long as its within limits. If your doing 60 you can't shove it into 2nd drop the clutch and expect things to hold.
But doing 30, and work down through 3rd, 2nd, into 1st yes.
And with the brakes gone the only way left to stall the engine is turning the key off.
So all of a sudden you have a whole lot to do, and no time to do it in. :)
Not to mention 60,000- 80,000 lbs of shove behind you.
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I suspect he downshifted his way through the gears. Which is very possible, as long as its within limits. If your doing 60 you can't shove it into 2nd drop the clutch and expect things to hold.
But doing 30, and work down through 3rd, 2nd, into 1st yes.
And with the brakes gone the only way left to stall the engine is turning the key off.
So all of a sudden you have a whole lot to do, and no time to do it in. :)
Not to mention 60,000- 80,000 lbs of shove behind you.
Yup. Goin' downhill, 6 speeds, 2 ranges (hi first, then low), Gettin it onto the shoulder, figured parking at McDonald's was a good idea, but the whole not stopping thing really called that into question.
Finally bumped to a stop against the curb. Front grille scant feet from the side of the building.
Called for help on the radio, went inside, and promptly puked big time.
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Yup. Goin' downhill, 6 speeds, 2 ranges (hi first, then low), Gettin it onto the shoulder, figured parking at McDonald's was a good idea, but the whole not stopping thing really called that into question.
Finally bumped to a stop against the curb. Front grille scant feet from the side of the building.
Called for help on the radio, went inside, and promptly puked big time.
before or after changing pants??? :lol :lol :lol
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What difference does the size of the vehicle make? Same process all the time: clutch in, select gear, increase RPMs to match the speed, and clutch out.
The amount of shove (inertia), is one of the main differences.
You see, you can go about 90mph downhill now, but IRL, I doubt that the tracks would be able to hold up to it... So, the point is, coming to a complete stop seems like a better price to pay than being tracked. ;)
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The amount of shove (inertia), is one of the main differences.
i was talking about the gearbox, it works the same way
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Ok, on a sportscar, you have maybe 1500 lbs of weight in the car.
Now they know guys are going to use and abuse them a bit, so they overbuild it to a point.
The other thing is your limited to 4 wheels being your only contact with the ground.
With a sportscar on pavement, worse case scenario the tires break contact and skid.
With a grain truck, you have 60,000 lbs or more on 6 or more wheels.
Trust me, those wheels will NOT break contact. So instead of spinning the wheels it breaks a drive shaft, or throws a gear.
With Tanks its even worse, you have tracks. VERY difficult to "break contact" with a track on almost any ground other than soupy mud. They just don't do it, combination of weight and "grip" just doesn't let that track spin like a tire does on a sportscar.
So, instead of being able to slip, its going to throw a track (too much stress at one point, will sheer the pins)
Break a drive shaft, or turn steel gears into confetti.
Yes the gearbox works basically the same way as on a car.
But you don't have the safety built into it like a car does. (can't slip wheels)
So if your even a little bit off on your guess of which gear, and what throttle setting.
Instead of just squeeking your tires, your going to cause major damage to the drive train.
Hence its just not worth the risk.
That's not to say trucks don't downshift, they do, good ones do it a lot.
But they are not rolling down a hill at 20+ mph, drop it into a gear and pop the clutch.
Because that's a recipe for disaster.
And even more so for tanks than trucks.
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So, instead of being able to slip, its going to throw a track (too much stress at one point, will sheer the pins)
Oh my!! I had forgotten how much fun it is to change a track!! This is definitely some realism that the ground pounders need! :devil
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Dont get me wrong, I love GVing in AH...its a lot of fun. But it's nowhere near realistic from a damage, repair, or driving standpoint. If you are going to ask for a realistic gearbox, then you need a realistic clutch (yup, you will need to clutch those gears or deal with stripping them)... a realistic repair method (i.e: it takes TIME to change the track, repair a smoked turret, load ammo boxes, replace a shredded gearbox)... realistic movement (speed affected by terrain, possible thrown tracks, no more warp speed downhill runs)...
So basically... you would need a whole new system for GV combat. Be careful what you wish for.
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What difference does the size of the vehicle make? Same process all the time: clutch in, select gear, increase RPMs to match the speed, and clutch out.
I know why an M3 is at the top of your list for this.
NO because of that fact.
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I know why an M3 is at the top of your list for this.
NO because of that fact.
:huh :confused: :huh
I was not even thinking about the M3 :uhoh
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Dont get me wrong, I love GVing in AH...its a lot of fun. But it's nowhere near realistic from a damage, repair, or driving standpoint. If you are going to ask for a realistic gearbox, then you need a realistic clutch (yup, you will need to clutch those gears or deal with stripping them)... a realistic repair method (i.e: it takes TIME to change the track, repair a smoked turret, load ammo boxes, replace a shredded gearbox)... realistic movement (speed affected by terrain, possible thrown tracks, no more warp speed downhill runs)...
So basically... you would need a whole new system for GV combat. Be careful what you wish for.
Actually I would love that, I drive a stick myself. The reason why I did not ask for all thous changes is because most of the people would hate it and HTC would not bother making them.
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As a retired tractor trailer driver I can tell you a down hill "sleigh ride" is far from fun. I once smoked every brake on the tractor and the the trailer because I started down a grade in too high a gear and my "jake" brake wouldn't hold it, by the time I got down to shift speed with "stab" braking so as not lose my air the smoke was rolling :o, I had 16 detroit diesels in the wagon at the time.