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Title: Autogyros and helicopter
Post by: DÃ¼del on September 26, 2001, 03:12:00 AM: I don't know, whether autogyros and helicopters (like Flettner Kolibri) where involved in combat in WWII.
If they had enemy contact i would like to see them in AH, maybe for base defense - kill the drunks :)
It could be a very interesting new aspect of fighting.
Please does anybody have more information about this topic?

I can recommand the following side:

http://home.earthlink.net/~gawebster/flettnerfolder/antonflettner.html (http://home.earthlink.net/~gawebster/flettnerfolder/antonflettner.html)

Düdel
Title: Autogyros and helicopter
Post by: Karnak on September 26, 2001, 04:12:00 AM: There was a very limited use of early helicopters as medivac units in 1945.

I am not aware of any armed helicopters during WWII though.
Title: Autogyros and helicopter
Post by: Wilbus on September 26, 2001, 09:11:00 AM: No armed choppers during the war, US used theirs for some medi vacs and germany used them for recorgnisance over fleets and similair.
Title: Autogyros and helicopter
Post by: Tony Williams on September 26, 2001, 11:24:00 AM: Not quite; there was the big two-rotor Focke-Achgelis Fa 223 Drache (kite) transport helicopter, of which perhaps only a dozen or so were completed. It could carry four passengers or lift 900 kg, and was the first helicopter to carry a gun armament. A 7.9mm MG 15 could be fitted into the transparent nose for self-defence purposes, as it was intended to be used for potentially hazardous tasks such as rescuing downed pilots or inserting special forces.

Tony Williams
Author: "Rapid Fire: The development of automatic cannon, heavy machine guns and their ammunition for armies, navies and air forces"
Details on my military gun and ammunition website: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~autogun/index.htm (http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~autogun/index.htm)
Title: Autogyros and helicopter
Post by: M.C.202 on September 26, 2001, 01:15:00 PM: The Sikorsky R-4 was a development of the pre-war VS-300. the prototype first flew on Jan 14, 1942.
The first pre-production test YR-4A's had larger main rotors and engines, followed by 27 YR-4B's with a larger cabin.
In '43 100R-4B's were ordered, and 45 went to the RAF.
The R4-B did see use in combat areas, being used for recon and medical evacuation in the Burma theatre.
As to being armed? The pilots were...
:D
I would say a M-2 carbine is almost a weapon :) (Yep, small numbers of full auto carbines were used in the last months of the war, with 30 round mags)
Title: Autogyros and helicopter
Post by: juzz on September 26, 2001, 11:50:00 PM: (http://hep2.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/a-7-3a.jpg)

from: http://hep2.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/a-7kamov.html (http://hep2.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/a-7kamov.html)

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A-7-3A, TsAGI/N.I.Kamov

Drawing by M.Petrovski (124k) from 'Modelist-Konstructor' magazine March 1983;

Observation winged autogiro. Reward firing rockets were used together with machine guns for defence purposes! Squadron of five used in 1941 for reconnaissance and propaganda duties near Elnia during battle for Moscow.

Seven built(?).
Title: Autogyros and helicopter
Post by: DÃ¼del on October 17, 2001, 03:01:00 AM: I think with the 1.0.8 strat system of AH the autogiros and helicopters could have a new task. For example as transporters for supplies.
So bring on the Flettner Kolibri to AH :)
Title: Autogyros and helicopter
Post by: Shane on October 17, 2001, 07:52:00 AM: sheesh... plenty of modern era sims have choppers - go play them to get your fix.
;)
Title: Autogyros and helicopter
Post by: DÃ¼del on October 17, 2001, 08:36:00 AM: But i want it in AH <sniff>. I dont want to play a mo... ...you mean AH isnt a modern era sim????? Oh my god :confused: :confused: :confused: :eek: