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Title: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Skulls22 on November 03, 2009, 07:40:50 PM
Haven't heard from this in a while, thought I would give you guys a reminder :old:

Speed: 55 mph
Armerment: 1 76mm shooting AP,HE and HVAP rounds
Armor:1 inch steed, angeld to make it 1 1/2
Horse Power: 400
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: NoBaddy on November 03, 2009, 10:02:15 PM
...and an open turret that would make them easy meat for strafing planes. I like it.  :devil

Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: waystin2 on November 04, 2009, 09:47:45 AM
+1 for the gazillionth time.  Please HTC?
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: 321BAR on November 04, 2009, 01:26:26 PM
god i remember talking about the m18 last year... its still not in? this has always been one of my favorite vehicles...why cant we have it? there must be a reason why its not in yet... ohh and btw, hi guys its been a year haha
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: jay on November 04, 2009, 03:34:35 PM
...and an open turret that would make them easy meat for strafing planes. I like it.  :devil



some actually had doors on top that could with stand 20MM rounds
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Flipperk on November 04, 2009, 04:50:43 PM
M-18 with the Panther to even things out a bit  :D




#306
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: vonKrimm on November 04, 2009, 05:06:46 PM
some actually had doors on top that could with stand 20MM rounds

We are going to need some evidence to give credence to your claim.
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: NoBaddy on November 04, 2009, 05:14:25 PM
some actually had doors on top that could with stand 20MM rounds

Well, if that is the case, the odds are it was a field mod and last I heard...AH doesn't support field mods.

Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Pongo on November 05, 2009, 02:07:18 PM
Much as I love the M18 and am beating the drum to get it put in Darkest Hour, it is a poor match for Aces High.
Its only defense is speed and low profile, AH lacks the terrain undulations that make a vehicle like this credible, with the wide open spaces of AH with nearly no terrain hull downs, this thing would be meat.
Even without its vulnerability to aircraft, this thing would just provide meat for T34 76s to kill.

But it is a very cool vehicle.
(http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/1161/m18hellcatwipcopyjb8.jpg)
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Rino on November 05, 2009, 03:49:00 PM
some actually had doors on top that could with stand 20MM rounds

     I have seen a picture of an M-36 with overhead cover, but I believe it was postwar.
It's at an armor museum somewhere...possibly Fort Knox?
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: jay on November 05, 2009, 06:13:38 PM
We are going to need some evidence to give credence to your claim.

sorry was thinking about the M10 (they seem similar to me)
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: NoBaddy on November 05, 2009, 06:20:55 PM
sorry was thinking about the M10 (they seem similar to me)

The M10 seems similar because it was. Same concept on an M4 chassis. Yes...they were open turret also.

Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: jay on November 05, 2009, 06:30:44 PM
The M10 seems similar because it was. Same concept on an M4 chassis. Yes...they were open turret also.



these actually HAD doors for fact

(forgot how to post pictures or else i would

Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Ruler2 on November 05, 2009, 06:33:33 PM
people use the open turret excuse,but it dosen;t hold water,ever heard of the M-8? we have it, it's open top too
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Skulls22 on November 05, 2009, 07:25:22 PM
This gv should be in for1, Heavy Metal Sunday, FSO and other special events could really benifet.

Also in the MA, don't you get anoyed with spawn camps (you being the guys spawning)?
Well, you could use the shoot 'n scoot strategy, thoe t-34's could be a problem. You could get behind a Tiger, take a shot and run along to the next guy. That 76mm is a pretty big stick, and at 55mph it can be a deadly combination. With the right strategy atleast. Standing behind cover is not the best way to go, bucause of poor armor, one shot and your dead. Needs a knolegd driver.
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: HighTone on November 05, 2009, 08:54:08 PM
This or the standard M4 Sherman...either one.... :aok
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Ruler2 on November 05, 2009, 10:03:35 PM
Yeah Skulls,but how fast does it accelerate? That's the killer,the T34 is a decently fast tank, but it accelerates slowly
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: 321BAR on November 06, 2009, 11:54:03 AM
Much as I love the M18 and am beating the drum to get it put in Darkest Hour, it is a poor match for Aces High.
Its only defense is speed and low profile, AH lacks the terrain undulations that make a vehicle like this credible, with the wide open spaces of AH with nearly no terrain hull downs, this thing would be meat.
Even without its vulnerability to aircraft, this thing would just provide meat for T34 76s to kill.
the problem with the idea here is that it could out run everything on the field now cept the M8 and M3... turns on a dime and could easily out flank tigers, yeah, low frontal armor piercing compared to the M10 or any tanks, but has the speed to take out any of the GVs out there... personally the M18 would be a new and dangerous unit to the battle. what was the top speed? 45mph? or 50? i think tigers would want a few panzers to cover the flanks if we put the M18 or even the M10 with its top speed in... difference is is that the M10 had less armor and a lower top speed... and ruler2, this thing accelerates faster than whatever prius you drive  :rolleyes:   i remember seeing a history channel thing talking about how a pnzr almost killed one when the commander of the M18 told the driver hard right, and it pulled a 90 degree turn at near top speed
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Pongo on November 06, 2009, 04:35:02 PM
I hear you, but I dont think the cover provided by the AH terrain is sufficient for this to be effective.
What range could Ostwinds kill it at?  What range would M8s kill it at?
The terrain in Darkest Hour provides lots of undulations even in an open field, this things low profile and incredible mobility could be used there, I think it will be meat here.
But thats me.
If you want to put a US tank destroyer in that can deal with Tigers, put in the M36, it can deal with tigers.
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: SmokinLoon on November 07, 2009, 03:06:19 PM
I hear you, but I dont think the cover provided by the AH terrain is sufficient for this to be effective.
What range could Ostwinds kill it at?  What range would M8s kill it at?
The terrain in Darkest Hour provides lots of undulations even in an open field, this things low profile and incredible mobility could be used there, I think it will be meat here.
But thats me.
If you want to put a US tank destroyer in that can deal with Tigers, put in the M36, it can deal with tigers.

But just different will it be than a Tiger vs Tiger match up other than the M36 getting raped first due to that much less armor?  The M36 isnt fast, it isnt armored enough to really matter.  While the 90mm is on par with the DE 88mm, that would be the only saving grace.  The M18 would at least be able to shoot-n-move in a matter to distract that Tiger (or any other tank) enough to render that Tiger vulnerable to other incoming fire. 
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: bj229r on November 07, 2009, 06:01:09 PM
...and an open turret that would make them easy meat for strafing planes. I like it.  :devil


Yah, that NEVER happens to Ostis or Wirbys :furious
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: 321BAR on November 08, 2009, 03:54:55 PM
ya know, ive dealt with mobile problems often playing this game, ive also used it as a great advantage. a tiger sat in a town in front of me, i moved my pnzr every time he shot, i got about 100 yards before i turned into mincemeat from his 88mm when he decided to guess where i was gonna go next... my point is is that a mobile fast target would be perfect and long range makes it even more useful... use the range to get close then go for cover and attack fast
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Skulls22 on November 14, 2009, 10:12:50 PM
If we had this tank, it would be close to being perked, but the horrible aromer would let it down. Still, you would always have to be on the look for a 55 mph 76mm :devil
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: DREDIOCK on November 15, 2009, 09:55:43 AM
M-18 with the Panther to even things out a bit  :D




#306

Or the king tiger
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Belial on November 15, 2009, 04:53:10 PM
I cant see any reason it shouldn't be added
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: 321BAR on November 17, 2009, 10:06:26 AM
it should be
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Eric122 on January 18, 2010, 05:33:34 PM
the hellcat would be nice
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Skulls22 on January 19, 2010, 05:25:07 PM
the hellcat would be nice


bump

Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: RaptorL on January 20, 2010, 04:10:19 PM
I'm all for the Hellcat, but could we also get the M-3 Stuart and the Panzer III? Please. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,279708.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,279708.0.html)
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: 321BAR on January 25, 2010, 08:24:05 PM
nice bump haha... so i say we just keep getting people to back the M18 up and we may have it in here. and the armor isnt as bad as people would believe. its got enough to never get killed my an osti. the M3 stuart and the pnzr III are kind of weak. what about an M3 Lee? but give us the M18
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: JonDoe999 on January 30, 2010, 03:56:35 PM
+1 :aok
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: RaptorL on January 30, 2010, 11:27:01 PM
The M-3 Stuart and the Panzer III are to give us early war tank set that close of a match for each other. I mean I like to have powerfull tanks in the game too, but we also got to balance it out with average tanks. That's why I mentioned them.
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: SmokinLoon on January 31, 2010, 02:47:53 PM
The M-3 Stuart and the Panzer III are to give us early war tank set that close of a match for each other. I mean I like to have powerfull tanks in the game too, but we also got to balance it out with average tanks. That's why I mentioned them.

This is exactly my thoughts too.  Balance it out.  The gv game needs more armor with speed.  The M18 would be perfect for this.  Also, the early war M3 Stuart and Pzr III would be good additions.  Im not up on my German armor time table, but when did the Pzr Mk III get upgraded to the bigger gun (50cm).  It would have a superior gun and armor than that of the M8 Greyhound, but less speed (still 25mph?).

 
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: E25280 on February 01, 2010, 09:05:57 PM
Im not up on my German armor time table, but when did the Pzr Mk III get upgraded to the bigger gun (50cm).  It would have a superior gun and armor than that of the M8 Greyhound, but less speed (still 25mph?).
 
IIRC the 50mm variants started rolling off the production lines as early as late '40, but the older 37mm armed variants were still in the field well after Barbarossa.  Most of those were upgraded by mid '42 (again, IIRC).
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Skulls22 on February 10, 2010, 12:10:00 PM
Tanks are my favorite in this game, heck, I love them all, bring them all in!
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: 321BAR on February 10, 2010, 06:15:23 PM
If we had this tank, it would be close to being perked, but the horrible aromer would let it down. Still, you would always have to be on the look for a 55 mph 76mm :devil
60 mph cough cough
This is exactly my thoughts too.  Balance it out.  The gv game needs more armor with speed.  The M18 would be perfect for this.  Also, the early war M3 Stuart and Pzr III would be good additions.  Im not up on my German armor time table, but when did the Pzr Mk III get upgraded to the bigger gun (50cm).  It would have a superior gun and armor than that of the M8 Greyhound, but less speed (still 25mph?).

  
 The M3 Stuart and Pnzr III  really under strength to go up against even a regular M4 with its under powered 75mm. toss a Stug IV or the StuH with its heavy HE cannon to fight if you want a new armored piece that wasnt a TD... M18 M10 all the way though
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: RaptorL on February 10, 2010, 10:13:26 PM
The M-3 and the Panzer III are to fill in the gap between the early war and late war. And besides its not that great to have nothing but over powered tanks, you need to balance it out.
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: jay on February 10, 2010, 11:43:53 PM
sdfk 251 PAK 40 mod? please?
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: Skulls22 on February 12, 2010, 10:08:55 AM
The M-3 and the Panzer III are to fill in the gap between the early war and late war. And besides its not that great to have nothing but over powered tanks, you need to balance it out.

I agree, you cant have a mob of tigers against a bunch of early tanks!
(it's a massacre)
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: jay on February 12, 2010, 05:38:36 PM
I agree, you cant have a mob of tigers against a bunch of early tanks!
(it's a massacre)


flank flank flank.......but no one has the time to incorperate the tactics  :noid   :bolt:
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: RaptorL on February 13, 2010, 12:39:21 PM
Well that's why for the mentally challenged we make them some pictures of the tactics with words on top and maybe some smiley faces to make them feel good. And sure enough, people will learn it jay. 
Title: Re: M-18 Hellcat
Post by: 321BAR on February 14, 2010, 02:51:59 PM

flank flank flank.......but no one has the time to incorperate the tactics  :noid   :bolt:
and cue throwing the M18 back into the fray of this discussion  :aok