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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: leonid on March 16, 2001, 06:53:00 AM
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I finally had a dream come true. A P-51D gave chase as I was leaving the combat zone, on the deck with a fuel leak. The pony was closing fast, having dove in from a higher altitude. At around 500 yards the pony opened up on me, scoring sporadic hits, and I evaded with initial jinks, causing the pony to overshoot, then cut power to aid in scissors. Such was the power loading on the La7, that I was able to commit a rolling type of scissors, and defeat the ponys angles. When I got position on the pony, the driver flipped over into a little dive in an attempt to build speed for a getaway. In a La5FN this would've worked, but in the La7 it was a dooming move. I gained on the pony again, then started taking snapshots as the pony evaded. Realizing there were only 8 cannon shells left, I bided my time until the pony's canopy filled my gunsight, then it was a little squirt, and the pony was done (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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leonid, Kompol
5 GvIAP VVS-KA, Knights (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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Muahaha!
The new planes are fun. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I personally love the La7 and I think if flown correctly its a very potent enemy. However I don't think its as "uber" as some would have us believe *cough* Luftwobbles *cough* (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) and it takes a good pilot to get the most out of the plane.
Leonid, have you noticed how nose heavy the La7 is, in comparison to the La5FN ?
Even with the 3 cannons version of the La7, the nose "weight distribution" shouldn't change very much (if at all), but I find I have to apply quite a bit more back pressure on the stick with the La7, and it seems to have less elevator authority.
The 2 cannon version should feel the exact same, or slightly better, but I haven't tested it to see yet.
It just seems that the La7 doesn't feel as light on the controls as the La5. I would compare it in feel to the difference between the P-51B and the P-51D, but that effect shouldn't be there on the La7 since the weight changes were minimal at best.
Any ideas, or have I caught a bad case of "its a anti XXX conspiracy" from the Luftwobbles while trying out one of their Dora's? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
PS: Damn those leather flight suits required in the Dora are itchy!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Fastest (free) plane below 5k. Runstangs can't, anymore. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Btw; how fast would the Yak-3(VK 107) be at sea level?
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Verm, I realize that folks 'lobby' for their special interest planes, but from a neutral point of view, I believe the LA7 is much more of a threat than the C-Hog.
I'd like to see the following a low perk point cost plane:
FW190-Dora
LA7
C-Hog
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I agree rip, most everything should have some sort of cost associated with it.
Y
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Verm, I realize that folks 'lobby' for their special interest planes, but from a neutral point of view, I believe the LA7 is much more of a threat than the C-Hog.
I'd like to see the following a low perk point cost plane:
FW190-Dora
LA7
C-Hog
Good thing about La-7 compared to chog.. it doesnt have those laser cannons.
Though, I managed to rip Ta152's vertical stabilizer by one hit in H2H.
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ohhh I waited and I waited and I was worried and and and....
Finally I got my La7... I was afraid of its status as perk plane, as of performance would be porked and a lot of other things. But ohhh my god what a beautifully plane this is... Ohh thank you HTC so much for giving this plane to us. Make it perk or not - I dont care as long as I can fly it I will spend all my points into it. I always believed that if there are better planes over La7 - that would be La-9 and La-11 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Give a hell to all who runs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) so far pony driver can only dream on getting away, so as Dora - hehe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Best regards
Dmitry aka vfGhosty
[This message has been edited by Dmitry (edited 03-16-2001).]
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The pony driver's solution to the LA7 is the P-51B (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
J_A_B
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Originally posted by Fishu:
Good thing about La-7 compared to chog.. it doesnt have those laser cannons.
Though, I managed to rip Ta152's vertical stabilizer by one hit in H2H.
Funny, we flew this plane as a squadron the other night, and were finding that the cannons were as lethal, if not more lethal, than the C-hog...but, then again, we got in closer (D200-D300) for shots with the LA7, rather than D200-D600 for the C-Hog. I guess its a matter of perception.
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I wouldn't mind seeing the P51's, the G10, the 190D9, the LA-7 and possibly some other planes perked.
Am just looking for an excuse to get back into my A5 and do some damage to my K/D (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://stsanta.tripod.com/stSanta.jpg)
"Live to pull, pull to live"
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LOL! Now how could a Pony driver like you Ripsnort be called "nuetral" on the issue of planes like the Dora and the La7 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
All of a sudden the Pony can't run away at will like it use too. Of course you would like to see it perked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Please enlighten me as too why the La7 should be perked with facts, figures, and data.
If you truely want to be "nuetral" and you think the La7 or Dora should be perked, you of course wouldn't mind the P-51D, P38L, P47D30 (probably the D25 as well, but we don't have a B/C model), Yak-9U, N1K2, F4U-1D, and the F4U-1C all "minor" perked as well. They all fit the same respective positions for their appropriate countries.
And fair is fair (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But lets not digress from the threads subject, its about the La7 and its flight characteristics. Not someone who dislikes the plane and is calling for it to be perked.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Given the number of La7's lately it's obvious it's a promising plane, mainly due to the fact that it is unescapable, combined with other attributes that make it a lethal plane.
My take on the La7 and D9 --
acceleration and speed.
P-51B/D -- just speed
Where as any P-51 could be caught if he screwed up, both the La7 and D9 are capable of clobbing the throttle and leaving any trailing aircraft in the dust, excluding the Tempest, Ta152, another D9 or La7.
Some planes can get close under 275 mph, but after that they keep accelerating at a fast rate where as most others have a much slower acceleration rate. The G10 is much to that effect, where prop efficiency at speed drops.
They aren't hard to fight off, they are just annoying, like flies. Trying to equalize energy states of those two planes is an enormous undertaking.
[This message has been edited by Jigster (edited 03-16-2001).]
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Leonid, I am glad I was party to making your dream come true (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
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The LA7 is THE plane I get nervous the most about when I see them in a multiplane engagement. More so than the 190-D9, Tempest or TA-152 or either 51's.
-Westy
(p.s.I'm NOT advocating perk status for any plane)
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 03-16-2001).]
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You know me better than that verm...
Monday: Flew Spit V Yak9U
Tues: F4U-1D
Wednesday:P51/F4U-1D/LA7
Thursday:Tempest/Yak9U/Yak9T
Moral of the story, I fly them all..I don't have a favorite ride except on squad night(Remember, I was XO, CO of 55+ JG2? Guess what we flew? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
Its just my view that this plane is awesome, but awesome to the point that if the C-Hog is to get perked, its my opinion this one needs it too (and, I might add that alot others I've spoke with on RW in our Knit missions feel the same way)
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 03-16-2001).]
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You know I'm just messing with you Rip. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Surprisingly Im with verm on this one, the LA7 simply sucks, its simply too fast and climbs too well, it has 3 20mm cannon in a 3 foot hit box, plus it has a very high roll rate (and we all know thats bad), plus it can just run away from any non perked plane under 20k, and man its acceleration is so fast you must watch how u use throttle or might get a speeding ticket, whats the point of having that plane in AH it simply doesnt have a chance? Man thinking of how bad it must be for the LA7 drivers just makes me cry, I really feel for you guys- really!
Ok Verm I simply dont understand ur act here, LA7 is not perked so you can stop this acting, its one hell of fun and capable plane its fast, well armed, climbs and turns best of the faster planes down low, rolls like a 190- its just a really really good fighter. Now Ive been an bellybutton towards u a bit lately-
and I want to make it clear I dont mean this post to be an attack on u, (just a bit of sarcasm for funs sake), but I genuinly dont understand why you think LA7 isnt prolly the best plane in AH at low alt (excluding perked tempest).
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This is why the 4-cannon planes are nice...we can HO the LA7's (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
First time I ever flew a N1K was today, in which I suicidally HO'ed a LA7. We both died.
LA7's ARE awesome planes...but I have yet to die from one when another plane couldn't have killed me just as easily. I think the LA7 is one of two things:
1) It has the best possible performance for a non-perk plane, and is the standard by which all planes will be judged in regards to perking, or 2) It will become the first cheap perk (cheap being 5-8 points).
Personally, I think #1 is the case, but time will tell.
J_A_B
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Grunherz, don't get me wrong, I have always said its a kick bellybutton fighter, especially in the hands of a good pilot.
All I'm saying is that it has weakness's that can be exploited.
I have flown about 80% of my sorties this tour in one, so I feel qualified to talk about it. The rest of mine are in Dora's, P51's, and Yak's for air to air. And a few P47 and F4U-1C's for ground attack.
Its rear visibility stinks, and you can easily lose a con in all those bars.
Its got good guns if you get in close and use short bursts, but the B20/ShVaks are like MG151's you can't just spray and pray from long distance and expect much. And the ammo load is fairly small to do shooting like that.
Its also got a small fuel load, I have something like 5 ditches and 3 bails due to running out of fuel.
Best way to beat a La7? Don't fight its fight.
A Dora is faster at all altitudes and has longer legs. Hit and run, and drag it out. In a Pony stay above 7k, where you are equal and better in speed, and keep the fight fast, working the La7 the same way as the Dora.
In fact, keep the fight higher if at all possible in either aircraft, above 8k-10k the La7 becomes pretty average.
But no, don't think that I'm saying the La7 stinks. Far from it. Hell, I love it personally, but you know I have had this thing for VVS aircraft for a long time.
All I'm saying is that it has weaknesses that can be exploited if you fight smart. But if you screw up... yes, it will kill you quickly. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I had several great Dora vs La7 fights tonight.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Vermillion: "A Dora is faster at all altitudes"
NO - nothing is faster below 5k(except the Arado and Tempest). (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Grunherz: "plus it can just run away from any non perked plane under 20k"
NO - above 5k the P-51D, Fw 190D-9 and Me 109G-10 are faster. At 12k the P-51B, Yak-9U and F4U-1 have overtaken it too, above 16k the P-47D, P-38L and Fw 190A-5 are close, above 22k they are all faster - even the lowly Spit 9 puts the boot in at around 24k. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
At 5k and below it's a superplane. But by 20k it's decidedly average.
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opps meant to say 10k instead of 20k but ill take ur word juzz for speeds
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S!
Have tested the La7 for a few times and couldn't fly it at all after my rides in the venerable 109G-2.It has all the abovementioned good qualities,but it was missing a good pilot, which I am not. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)Meeting one is always a tough nut to crack,but manageable.I have great respect for this plane.Why perk it?No reason.
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