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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SEraider on November 05, 2009, 04:28:27 PM
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I heard on a broadcast that people are 'forced' in school, or medical profession to take the H1N1 vaccine.
I am skeptical of forced vaccination, however I would like to hear from anybody that had experienced or heard of perhaps, their children, or themselves being urged (bullied) into taking the vaccine or 'face' the consequences.
If it is true, then please let us know.
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My kids came home from school with a letter asking if we would like them to receive the vaccine. Nothing threatening or urging, just "medical staff will be here on this date, would you like for them to vaccinate your child".
As my son has already had H1N1 we declined for him.
As my daughter is pre-teen, currently acting like a spoiled brat and afraid of needles, we accepted their kind offer on her behalf.
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The way I look at it is if medical professionals don't want to take the needle, then the at the first sign of any flu like symptoms the should be sent home without pay.
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Rumor has it some Wall Street buisnesses where delivered the swine flu vaccine. Before the local hospitals were. :devil I wouldn't doubt that! :rolleyes:
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Wouldn't surprise me in the least. As we all know money talks and bull....
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Just what I would want, a swine flu vaccine that has not been tested fully before this year. Sounds real good.
Sorry if I sound harsh but I am not sold on the swine flu vaccine as it has not been fully tested.
Look what happened to this girl because of the swine flu vaccine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZTWDUkViU0
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Look what happened to this girl because of the swine flu vaccine.
More media paranoia.
I'm sorry, but to say that this girl contracted Dystonia because of he Swine Flu Vaccine is a stretch. No-one knows what causes Dystonia and I would want to see a more immediate reaction to a drug which is injected directly into the blood stream than 10 days.
This girls condition is unfortunate, but one case from the millions of worldwide administrations of this vaccine says to me that this is mere unhappy coincidence and the H1N1 is being made the scape-goat. The girl more likely had a genetic predisposition to the syndrome.
In saying this though, remember that no vaccine is ever 100% safe. They are calculated to be less dangerous than the diseases they prevent only.
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If you live in the L.A. area, you don't need to worry about whether or not you should get the H1N1 shot or a flu shot. There are hardly any to go around. My company had setup a day that all employees could get a flu and H1N1 shot but had to cancel when 30 million doses of the shots were lost somehow. Now, it looks like L.A. is only going to receive a fraction of what it was supposed to and the majority will have to go without shots this year.
ack-ack
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I took it today, didn't even feel it. Arm is a tiny bit sore but I'm ok.
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More media paranoia.
I'm sorry, but to say that this girl contracted Dystonia because of he Swine Flu Vaccine is a stretch. No-one knows what causes Dystonia and I would want to see a more immediate reaction to a drug which is injected directly into the blood stream than 10 days.
This girls condition is unfortunate, but one case from the millions of worldwide administrations of this vaccine says to me that this is mere unhappy coincidence and the H1N1 is being made the scape-goat. The girl more likely had a genetic predisposition to the syndrome.
In saying this though, remember that no vaccine is ever 100% safe. They are calculated to be less dangerous than the diseases they prevent only.
Nonsense. Everyone knows that the government distributes vaccines yearly to be sure that the mind control effects haven't worn off yet. I mean how much of a sheep can you be.
What's more is that they throw this stuff together from lab leftovers not even thinking of the possible side effects. I mean they have mercury and formaldehyde in them (ignore that the quantity is less than a normal daily dosage) With this in mind, I would suggest you blame any medical ailment that you contracted with in 10 years (conservatively) of a vaccination on the vaccine. And remember that the government is out to get you.
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I think that up here (Iceland) there will be enough for all on the 13th of November. Hope I won't catch it before.
Some businesses are close to a standstill now because of the numerous cases.
My wife already got a call where they offered her the vaccine. As a lawyer, she is ranked more importand than me for instance (farmer). Scandal!
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Nonsense. Everyone knows that the government distributes vaccines yearly to be sure that the mind control effects haven't worn off yet. I mean how much of a sheep can you be.
What's more is that they throw this stuff together from lab leftovers not even thinking of the possible side effects. I mean they have mercury and formaldehyde in them (ignore that the quantity is less than a normal daily dosage) With this in mind, I would suggest you blame any medical ailment that you contracted with in 10 years (conservatively) of a vaccination on the vaccine. And remember that the government is out to get you.
You mean like this....it's a conspiracy.
http://projectcamelot.org/index.html#1
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Ok,
So far I see from this thread that it is offered but not forced. I believe more from all you guys than todays media anyways. :old:
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Took my son to the doctors this morning, found out he has it. I asked the doctor if its anything to be worried about and she said no, but if hes not better in about a week, ( or spikes a high fever, breathing probs etc...) to bring him back in. I then asked her if its really as bad as the "media" is making it out to be. She stated no, more folks get and die from the regular flu, than this one. Actually she was more concerned that my boy had strep throat than H1N1. She stated its all just media hype, slow news day etc.. ( although she did not make light of anyone getting any type of flu, H1N1 or the regular type)
The doctor went on to say that as many as 30% of the kids in the local schools has had it ( elementary thru HS) , with not one requiring anything more that bed rest, Motrin for the fever, and lots of fluids. As far as adults getting it, it seems to be hitting the kids and the senior citizens harder than the average adult, and then unless there is previous underlying conditions, its still just the flu.
Havent seen anything come home from school forcing the kids to get vaccinated. ( actually no news from school regarding it in any way) but i know that a couple of kids in his class have had it, and my daughter ( twin sister ) says the same thing, a couple of kids in her class, 3 or 4 , have had it or has it.
Definatly not the scourge of man that the "media" ( i use that term very loosely) is making it out to be.
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Wow just wait till we have a flu virus so strong we can't make a vaccine for it! WTG medical field! It's a virus (a living thing FYI) that evolves to survive and someday vaccines for viruses will bite us in the arse.
PS FYI the H1N1 vaccine is loaded with mercury
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You guys, i wont take the media serious when they talk about the swine flu and the vaccine. If you are really worry about dying from the swing ful, then you should look at the % chance of dying from some other virus. you will be surprise.
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PS FYI the H1N1 vaccine is loaded with mercury
So is diaper rash cream, eye-drops, nasal spray and topical antiseptic.
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It's a virus (a living thing FYI)
You sure about that?
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So is diaper rash cream, eye-drops, nasal spray and topical antiseptic.
With the difference that those have to go throught your bodys filtering system first and get dealt with while a vaccine is directly injected into your bloodstream and that mercury will be in your brain in a few minutes after it.
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You sure about that?
Yeah pretty sure....are you a living thing? After the question you asked it made me wonder! :rolleyes:
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Yeah pretty sure....are you a living thing? After the question you asked it made me wonder! :rolleyes:
You might want to publish your data then. Seems the rest of the scientific world isn't convinced a virus is a living thing. :headscratch:
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they can keep their crap, im not taking it
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A virus is not a living thing. It is a fragment of a living organism that interacts with/corrupts a living host cell.
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The amount of mercury in the vaccine is less than what you get through eating regular food every year. It's completely inconsequential.
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The amount of mercury in the vaccine is less than what you get through eating regular food every year. It's completely inconsequential.
I don't know if it is inconsequential, but there is also the aluminum and saline factor that combined, is a game changer in a lot of body's.
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With the difference that those have to go throught your bodys filtering system first and get dealt with while a vaccine is directly injected into your bloodstream and that mercury will be in your brain in a few minutes after it.
Funny I can't ever recall getting a vaccine injected into a vein. I can only recall every getting them IM.
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Funny I can't ever recall getting a vaccine injected into a vein. I can only recall every getting them IM.
Funny I can't ever recall that blood only travels in veins. Thats why when you cut yourselve you don't bleed right?
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All forces in Korea plus family have to get the vaccine, its kinda upsetting the Korean population because we most likely brought it here :salute
ps my company has had 3 cases of it alone that were actually documented many others got sicker then crap
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More people die of the regular flu than h1n1. Come on sheepeople they already tryied this with the bird flu scare and it didnt take.
By the way a virus is a strain of protiens. that has to be modified to go from animal to human.
This one was made in a lab and released for the drug companies to make lots of do ray me.
How many of you get the shot and dont get symptoms but are carriers.
They only test for one strain of the virus to pass fda reg. YOU can get other live viruses in a vaccine.
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By the way a virus is a strain of protiens. that has to be modified to go from animal to human.
They evolve on their own, i highly doubt this is a money making scheme from the drug makers.
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A virus is not a living thing. It is a fragment of a living organism that interacts with/corrupts a living host cell.
It is a living thing. It consist of RNA, capsid, envelope, Nucleic acid.
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To fit the most common definition of life it needs to have both DNA and RNA and a cell structure. They are generally considered self-assembling organic molecules.
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There are at least eight sets of vaccines you are "forced" to take in Texas before you can enroll in public school. So the idea of a forced vaccination is nothing new.
The media and political environment in America today however is something I've never experienced before. I'm more skeptical of reports and announcements than I've ever been.
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To fit the most common definition of life it needs to have both DNA and RNA and a cell structure. They are generally considered self-assembling organic molecules.
Virus do not have both DNA and RNA. They have DNA or RNA.
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Virus do not have both DNA and RNA. They have DNA or RNA.
Exactly, so a virus is not alive. It's a self-assembling organic molecule.
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How many of you get the shot and dont get symptoms but are carriers.
They only test for one strain of the virus to pass fda reg. YOU can get other live viruses in a vaccine.
The occasional symptoms related to vaccination doesn't mean you've contracted a virus in the sense, it means that your immune system thinks there's something more dangerous going on than your usual petty intruder. Quite likely the heightened reaction is due to the booster component of a flu vaccination, in order to get the immune system interested in the nonfunctional sample. Otherwise it's like trying to give a pill to a dog. The dog might simply ignore the pill unless it's coated in something that attracts attention (unless the dog is the type that eats everything that isn't solid and bolted to the ground). in the case of a flu vaccine the pill is an empty container which content's, the genetic material, was dissolved by chemicals. So no, it's not likely for you to get any functional virus from a flu vaccine, much less infect other people with it.
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I will be "forced" to get the vaccine, but I'm in the military.
My wife and child got lucky and happened to have a doc appt on the same day an unannounced shipment of H1N1 flu vaccine showed up at the clinic. They are both now vaccinated against the usual seasonal flu and H1N1, and it's a good thing since they're both in "at-risk" statistical groups. She's pregnant and our kid is under 2 years old, both at risk for the flu complications with high fatality rates.
I'll get the shot as soon as it's offered on base.
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stupid slow server and it's triple posts...
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stupid slow server and its triple posts...
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they can keep their crap, im not taking it
If you're in a risk demographic, you might want to reconsider. The swine flu has a much higher fatality rate among groups of people who have not been hit hard by other flu variants. Specifically, otherwise healthy young people are having severe complications requiring immediate hospitalization. The other thing that is different about this one is that the symptom onset is very rapid, and made worse by the fact that if you're going to have the complications, they come on so fast that it's often too late to do anything about it by the time you get to the hospital.
The main effect that is killing people is breathing difficulties... The lungs pretty much fill up and quit working, with death coming as rapidly as 3 days from the very first onset of symptoms. From the first sniffle to hospitalization can be under 12 hours, and it can be "too late" less than 48 hrs after the first onset of symptoms.
Feel free to scoff the hysteria about the overall fatality rates, feel free to scoff at the hysterical media reporting, and feel free to express concern over the safety of the vaccine itself, but if you're in a risk group for this one then you're an idiot for not getting vaccinated. The spread and onset rate of this one is unusually fast and if you're at risk of dying from it, by the time you change your mind it is going to be too late. That's not hysteria, that's the facts regarding this flu strain.
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Exactly, so a virus is not alive. It's a self-assembling organic molecule.
It is alive.
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It is alive.
Lol, if you say so...
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Lol, if you say so...
I did, twice.
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If you are having young children vaccinated make sure whoever is doing it uses the correct dose. This is 50% less than an adult dose.
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If you are having young children vaccinated make sure whoever is doing it uses the correct dose. This is 50% less than an adult dose.
That's the case for only one vaccine, made by Sanofi. Children 6-35 months get 0.25 mL, 36 months and older, including adults get 0.5 mL. The Novartis vaccine and Medimmune nasal vaccine use the same dose in children and adults. The CSL vaccine is only labeled for adults. Children up to 9 years of age should get 2 doses, about 4 weeks apart.
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There are at least eight sets of vaccines you are "forced" to take in Texas before you can enroll in public school. So the idea of a forced vaccination is nothing new.
The media and political environment in America today however is something I've never experienced before. I'm more skeptical of reports and announcements than I've ever been.
Doesn't your state have "waiver" for not taking a vaccine for your child?
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Just got the vaccine last Friday together with our 5-year-old daughter :aok. My wife got it a week ago (works in health care). Our 9-year-old son still has to wait for it. Different risk groups... :(
Of course we took it :huh. There have already been a few swine flu based deaths in my country, but no reports of vaccine problems. After all this vaccine is just a variation from the normal season's flu vaccine. They make them different every year accordingly. Also I think there have been lots more vaccinations than swine flu cases. Quite simple risk math, IMHO.
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I had the swine flu and although it kicked my donut for a week it was not the end of the world. If your healthy and let yourself get well you should have no problem surviving through it. The key is not to rush the recovery. That is when you increase the chance of secondary infections that seem to be where the true problem lies.
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I'm not going to get one . That's for sure !