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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Plawranc on November 06, 2009, 05:51:21 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GdfnTLKcvM
Watch that, maybe then you give the commies some street cred :rock.
:airplane: :joystick: :banana: :bolt: :D
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even better vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7W5kK6p85o&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7W5kK6p85o&feature=related)
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I have always like the sleek look of the Flanker series of aircraft.
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Welcome to 12 years ago :cheers:
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Can't wait for this thread to turn into yet another F/A-22 pwns all debait.
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Too bad they only built one SU-37 with the 3d thrust vectoring nozzels as a flight demonstrator, then crashed it. There are currently 0 operational Russian fighters equiped with super manuverability. They have a handfull of technology demostrators and that's it. The proposed SU-35 Super Flanker which is supposed to go into full scale production by 2011 IIRC will have the option to install the thrust vectoring nozzels but it wont be standard for all of them. Never mind the complete lack of stealth technology.
Yet the US has the Raptor in squadron service. Super manuverablity, super cruise, stealth.
But beyond that regarding the F-15. I think a 200+ to none kill ratio in air to air combat speaks for itself.
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Too bad they only built one SU-37 with the 3d thrust vectoring nozzels as a flight demonstrator, then crashed it. There are currently 0 operational Russian fighters equiped with super manuverability. They have a handfull of technology demostrators and that's it. The proposed SU-35 Super Flanker which is supposed to go into full scale production by 2011 IIRC will have the option to install the thrust vectoring nozzels but it wont be standard for all of them. Never mind the complete lack of stealth technology.
Yet the US has the Raptor in squadron service. Super manuverablity, super cruise, stealth.
But beyond that regarding the F-15. I think a 200+ to none kill ratio in air to air combat speaks for itself.
Beginner's luck? :D
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Beginner's luck? :D
You know better than that. Superior aircraft flown by expertly trained pilots, equiped with state of the art avionics and weapons = 200+ to none kill ratio.
Even if the Russians had fielded a complete squadron of combat operational SU-37's, I'd still put my money on a squadron of F-15's to win the battle.
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Any fighter that lacks a stealth component has a very serious weakness to deal with in a war time scenario.
Strip
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200 to 1....u sure ?
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From wiki ''The F-15 in all air forces had an air-to-air combined record of 104 kills to 0 losses in air combat as of February 2008.[43] To date, no air superiority versions of the F-15 (A/B/C/D models) have ever been shot down by enemy forces. Over half of F-15 kills were achieved by Israeli Air Force pilots.''
Mind you this also from wiki''An earlier variant of the Sukhoi Su-30MKI, the MK, took part in war games with the United States Air Force (USAF) during Cope-India 04, where USAF F-15 Eagles were pitted against Indian Air Force (IAF) Su-30MKs, Mirage 2000s, MiG-29s and elderly MiG-21. The results have been widely publicized, with the Indians winning "90% of the mock combat missions".[42]''
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Can't wait for this thread to turn into yet another F/A-22 pwns all debait.
Good call Kaaza didn't take long at all. Doesn't matter about the number of Flankers in service nor of their tech. Like I said I like how sleek it looks. The Swedes also know how to make some sleek looking planes.
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Can't wait for this thread to turn into yet another F/A-22 pwns all debait.
Dont really need to. There aint going to be any pirouetting Aces High style dogfights. On opening night the enemy is going to get hit with a barrage of thousands of precision munitions. Leadership, communication, air defense/radar,transportation....<poof>! After that, after all that, we could own the air with legacy F-16s.
You dont get the Yank military piece by piece http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/index.html. You get the entire thing landing on your head. The enemy does anyways.
No reason at all to compare fighters vis-a-vis dogfighting ability anymore.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/B-bob-funnycopy.jpg)
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Too bad they only built one SU-37 with the 3d thrust vectoring nozzels as a flight demonstrator, then crashed it. There are currently 0 operational Russian fighters equiped with super manuverability.
Yet the US has the Raptor in squadron service. Super manuverablity, super cruise, stealth.
What the hell are you talking about?
Su-27,Su-30,Su-35,Mig-29ovt.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GdfnTLKcvM
Watch that, maybe then you give the commies some street cred :rock.
:airplane: :joystick: :banana: :bolt: :D
The only thing the Sukhoi's do better are Ejection Seat Demonstrations.
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Even if the Russians had fielded a complete squadron of combat operational SU-37's, I'd still put my money on a squadron of F-15's to win the battle.
Considering in mock combat they had trouble with Su-27s, I would but my money on the Su-37. Sorry but its a nearly 40 year old design against a 15 year old design.
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You know better than that. Superior aircraft flown by expertly trained pilots, equiped with state of the art avionics and weapons = 200+ to none kill ratio.
Even if the Russians had fielded a complete squadron of combat operational SU-37's, I'd still put my money on a squadron of F-15's to win the battle.
Wow, 92 of them against prehistoric MiG21. And the rest against 20 year old barely maintained MiG29,I'm sure it was tough:)
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What the hell are you talking about?
Su-27,Su-30,Su-35,Mig-29ovt.
The standard SU-27 does NOT have thrust vectoring. The SU-30, 35 are not in full scale production yet and when they do go into full production thrust vectoring will be an option for some of them. The Mig-29ovt is a technology demonstrator only and is not in full scale production.
That's what I am talking about. As of now they have 0 production super manuverability aircraft in active service. All the aircraft they have with that capability right now are technology demonstrators only with a handfull of excamples flying.
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Can't wait for this thread to turn into yet another F/A-22 pwns all debait.
Didn't take long :rofl and to throw even more gas into the fire, the best plane is useless when your soldiers on the ground can still be killed by 40y old assault rifles and rpg's :neener:
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Pwns all......... :rock :rock
(http://web.mit.edu/~dcltdw/RPGs/Assassin/AHI/Images/X-Wing.jpg)
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LOL I preffer the TIE Interceptor myself over the X-Wing. Tighter turn radius, faster exceleration, only downside is lack of shields but what the hell, it looks cooler than the X-Wing and that HAS to be factored in. :aok
(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTefMqY_RKmGcAShSjzbkF/SIG=11t8lqo1s/EXP=1257616554/**http%3A//swpm.ic.cz/tie%2520interceptor.jpg)
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why not just skip the 27 and the 37 and go with the inverted wing SU47 Berkut? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP2p72ANEZA
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Wow, 92 of them against prehistoric MiG21. And the rest against 20 year old barely maintained MiG29,I'm sure it was tough:)
Keep the excuses flowing, you're going to need more soon. :aok
(http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/f22/images/F22elmendorf_375x300.jpg)
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The standard SU-27 does NOT have thrust vectoring. The SU-30, 35 are not in full scale production yet and when they do go into full production thrust vectoring will be an option for some of them. The Mig-29ovt is a technology demonstrator only and is not in full scale production.
That's what I am talking about. As of now they have 0 production super manuverability aircraft in active service. All the aircraft they have with that capability right now are technology demonstrators only with a handfull of excamples flying.
"There is no strict set of guidelines an aircraft must meet or features it must have in order to be classified as supermaneuverable. However, as supermaneuverability itself is defined, an aircraft capable of performing maneuvers that are considered to be impossible using only aerodynamic maneuverability are evidence of an aircraft's supermaneuverability. Such maneuvers include Pugachev's Cobra and the Herbst maneuver (sometimes referred to as the "J-turn", but this term is ambiguous as it is also used in stunt driving on land).
However, some aircraft are capable of performing Pugachev's Cobra without the aid of features that normally provide post-stall maneuvering such as thrust vectoring. Advanced generation 4 and 4.5 fighters such as the Su-27 (which was the aircraft first used to execute the maneuver) and MiG-29 and their variants such as the Su-33 have been documented as capable of performing this maneuver using normal engines."wiki
So..Su-27 in service with thrust vectoring and w/o
Su-30 MKI (thrust vectoring) and its variants are already in Indian,Russian,chinese air forces :devil
Su-35 status shows(in production)?
And mig 29ovt...i was wrong
Still,little reseach now and then....maybe?
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Keep the excuses flowing, you're going to need more soon. :aok
(http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/f22/images/F22elmendorf_375x300.jpg)
Sorry, next time you compare sling shot to a missile,i wont say anything.
As for f22, 1 hour of flight/30 hours of service ratio, its just ridiculous
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Sorry, next time you compare sling shot to a missile,i wont say anything.
As for f22, 1 hour of flight/30 hours of service ratio, its just ridiculous
:cry
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LOL I preffer the TIE Interceptor myself over the X-Wing. Tighter turn radius, faster exceleration, only downside is lack of shields but what the hell, it looks cooler than the X-Wing and that HAS to be factored in. :aok
(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTefMqY_RKmGcAShSjzbkF/SIG=11t8lqo1s/EXP=1257616554/**http%3A//swpm.ic.cz/tie%2520interceptor.jpg)
This goes for the entire TIE series: Faulty inertial compensators....This is something that Sienar Fleet Systems
was never able to figure out....
Ability to pull those tighter turns means
nothing if the pilot is going to be splattered all over the inside of the cockpit..
On top of having absolutely no shielding, TIE cockpits aren't pressurized.. And finally: TIE pilots are as horrible at flying as Stormtroopers are at shooting.... :airplane: :joystick: :old:
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I don't care how effective they may/may not be, but the Russians make some sexy planes :devil :airplane:
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http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/ (http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/)
Sukhoi's website. Little research huh?
Take a look at the SU-27, read the specs and history of the aircraft and tell me there are operational SU-27's flying with thrust vectoring. Prototypes yes, operational no.
The SU-30 has the OPTION of mounting thrust vectored engines but not all are equipped. Also the SU-30 isn't a "new" aircraft, mearly an updated SU-27UB, of which only a handfull were built, designed for export sales and production under liscense by India.
The SU-35 just had it's first flight back in Febuary 2009 and isn't schedualed for production until 2010. They moved it up from the last time I visited their website while having this discussion.
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I don't care how effective they may/may not be, but the Russians make some sexy planes :devil :airplane:
That they are :aok
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I don't care how effective they may/may not be, but the Russians make some sexy planes :devil :airplane:
Oh yes. The Sue baby has all curves in right places:
http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/sukhoi_su27_flanker_l1.jpg
http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/lm.broers/picswar1/su27.jpg
No other modern age jet plane come even close to those classic lines.
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Wow, 92 of them against prehistoric MiG21. And the rest against 20 year old barely maintained MiG29,I'm sure it was tough:)
I'd still put my money on the F-15 (against the soon to be barely maintained SU-37) :airplane:
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http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/ (http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/)
Sukhoi's website. Little research huh?
Take a look at the SU-27, read the specs and history of the aircraft and tell me there are operational SU-27's flying with thrust vectoring. Prototypes yes, operational no.
The SU-30 has the OPTION of mounting thrust vectored engines but not all are equipped. Also the SU-30 isn't a "new" aircraft, mearly an updated SU-27UB, of which only a handfull were built, designed for export sales and production under liscense by India.
The SU-35 just had it's first flight back in Febuary 2009 and isn't schedualed for production until 2010. They moved it up from the last time I visited their website while having this discussion.
What part of "super maneuverable doesn't mean trust vectoring" did you not understand? :rofl
Any maneuvre f22 can do MiG29 and su 27 can do as well if not better
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I'd still put my money on the F-15 (against the soon to be barely maintained SU-37) :airplane:
If thers abdullah or Mahmud flying su 37 I'd do the same thing.
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What part of "super maneuverable doesn't mean trust vectoring" did you not understand? :rofl
Any maneuvre f22 can do MiG29 and su 27 can do as well if not better
Dude...puff, puff pass!! Stop bogarting whatever it is your smoking. The day a Mig-29 or SU-27 can keep up with a Raptor peace will break out in the middle east, cats and dogs will be living together, and Amanda Tapping will knock on my door asking me to do her in the pooper :pray .
I don't see it happening.
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Dude...puff, puff pass!! Stop bogarting whatever it is your smoking. The day a Mig-29 or SU-27 can keep up with a Raptor peace will break out in the middle east, cats and dogs will be living together, and Amanda Tapping will knock on my door asking me to do her in the pooper :pray .
I don't see it happening.
Be very careful right there. You don't remember what they said about the Eurovision and Finland, eh? :)
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Dude...puff, puff pass!! Stop bogarting whatever it is your smoking. The day a Mig-29 or SU-27 can keep up with a Raptor peace will break out in the middle east, cats and dogs will be living together, and Amanda Tapping will knock on my door asking me to do her in the pooper :pray .
I don't see it happening.
For the third time read and digest sentence after this one.
I'm "bogarting" the definition of supermaneuverability.
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You think F-15s are cool?
No
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.....Amanda Tapping will knock on my door asking me to do her in the pooper :pray .
I don't see it happening.
Amanda Tapping? Really?
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http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/ (http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/)
The SU-30 has the OPTION of mounting thrust vectored engines but not all are equipped. Also the SU-30 isn't a "new" aircraft, mearly an updated SU-27UB, of which only a handfull were built, designed for export sales and production under liscense by India.
India is currently operating 128 Su-30MKI's. 152 more are on order from Hindustan Aeronautics. All with thrust vectoring. China is currently operating 138 Su-30MKK/MK2, Indonesia is operating 5 (MK/MK2) with one more on order, Venezuela is operating 24 (MKV) with 12 more being considered, Malaysia has 12 (MKM) with 6 more on order, Vietnam operates 12 (MK2V) with 12 more on order.
(http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_SU-30MKIs_lg.jpg)
(http://a.imagehost.org/0721/su-30_indonesia.jpg)
(http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/xin_54120502105349097135.jpg)
(http://cimg2.163.com/catchpic/8/87/874CE90F9594F1B17861BE345C5B010C.jpg)
(http://img.blog.yahoo.co.kr/ybi/1/24/56/shinecommerce/folder/288/img_288_19195_6?1215215658.jpg)
(http://annahs.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/sukhoi-su-30mkm-m52-05.jpg)
(http://i82.servimg.com/u/f82/11/92/58/48/su30_810.jpg)
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For the third time read and digest sentence after this one.
I'm "bogarting" the definition of supermaneuverability.
(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-120-990421-f-5009p-001.jpg)
Out maneuver these.
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(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-120-990421-f-5009p-001.jpg)
Out maneuver these.
That wouldn't be much of a problem... They don't have their control fins attached. :devil
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Pfft.
I can do that in a 262. :neener:
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(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-120-990421-f-5009p-001.jpg)
Out maneuver these.
Try and focus, your off topic comments are annoying.
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Try and focus, your off topic comments are annoying.
I guess you can report me Flanker fanboi :aok
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That wouldn't be much of a problem... They don't have their control fins attached. :devil
Minor detail!!! :D
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Su-37 may be cool, but Russia just couldn't get em into mass production. It would be a SWEET fighter if they ever did actually make it, but I still think these are better :)
(http://www.wvi.com/~sr71webmaster/f104.gif)
(http://www.rusarmy.com/wallpapers/avia2/su-47/su-47_800%20001.jpg) too bad they only made one of these too :(
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I prefer to leave the opinon of Sukhois vs US Teen series fighers to the pros. Intersting training exercise, and I think used by the generals to argue even more for the need of the F22.
Unfortunately as great as the F22 is.. It's a fighter which is too expensive. Ironically the Chinese could easily afford to buy a couple thousand just on the interest payments they receive from the US.
US air force learns from India
Agencies | June 24, 2004 16:49 IST
A recent training exercise with India has served as a "wake-up call" to the US Air Force, according to a top American general.
"We have to learn a lot of things from that," said General Hal Hornburg, head of the US Air Force's Air Combat Command, referring to the 'Cope India' exercise, conducted by the US and Indian air forces in Gwalior in February. "We have to learn if we want air superiority it doesn't come cheap and it's not automatic."
The Russian-made SU-30s are reported to have bested the USAF's F-15s in a majority of their engagements.
It pitted F-15Cs from the USAF's 3rd Wing out of Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska against a variety of Indian fighters like the Russian-made SU-30s, MiG-21s, MiG-29s and the French-made Mirage 2000s.
"In general, we may have learned some things that suggest we may not be as far ahead of the rest of the world as we once thought we were," he said.
He declined to discuss classified results of the exercise but said, "Something like Cope India, when we find that some of our advantages aren't as great as we thought they might be, leads me to remind people that we need to modernize our air-to-air capability."
Gen Hornburg said the results of the exercise showed the need for the F/A-22 Raptor and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Both aircraft are stealthier than the F-15.
The exercises showed that the SU-30s had a clear advantage over the F-15Cs in a long-range fight, the trade journal Aviation Week and Space Technology reported last month.
Gen Hornburg said the F-15Cs that took part in Cope India were not equipped with the latest radar.
"We are going to put new radars, as much as we can afford, in the F-16s and the F-15Es, and my prediction is we will have to do for the F-15C as well in due course," the general said.
<S>...-Gixer
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I guess you can report me Flanker fanboi :aok
Fanboi.... What is wrong with you?
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KgB...are you Russian? Just wondering...
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KgB...are you Russian? Just wondering...
Armenian, lived in Russia from 88 to 98.
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Armenian, lived in Russia from 88 to 98.
Rgr, was just wondering why you were defending the planes so much, ty for the info. <S>
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Rgr, was just wondering why you were defending the planes so much, ty for the info. <S>
Russians or not, If i think he's wrong why shouldn't i say something?
I can be 100% right, but if it involves Russians I'm always on my own. Level of hatred is unbelievable, you can hate them all you want(I'm not a fan either), but least you can is to be fair:)
BTW I gotta change my nickname, It brings out the cold war in you :lol
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Russians or not, If i think he's wrong why shouldn't i say something?
I can be 100% right, but if it involves Russians I'm always on my own. Level of hatred is unbelievable, you can hate them all you want(I'm not a fan either), but least you can is to be fair:)
BTW I gotta change my nickname, It brings out the cold war in you :lol
Not saying you can't I was just wondering as you seemed to be defending the planes and country well. I don't hate at all, but as an American it is more likely I'll like my own planes better...personally have a love for the F-14 :P
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The F-15 went into service 31 years ago. Pretty darn good run for an air superiority fighter.
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Russians or not, If i think he's wrong why shouldn't i say something?
I can be 100% right, but if it involves Russians I'm always on my own. Level of hatred is unbelievable, you can hate them all you want(I'm not a fan either), but least you can is to be fair:)
BTW I gotta change my nickname, It brings out the cold war in you :lol
How you see hatred in any of this is odd, but I don't know why you would not expect to get a little flak over your opinions. Its really just some friendly ball busting for my part, no hate to it. If you are taking it that personal then I'll lay off.
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How you see hatred in any of this is odd, but I don't know why you would not expect to get a little flak over your opinions. Its really just some friendly ball busting for my part, no hate to it. If you are taking it that personal then I'll lay off.
Russia is not my country. Even if it were, i cant tell you what you can or can't say.
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Im an Australian Englishman, so naturally I should be saying the Eurofighter and the Tornado AND the Harrier are the best.
But Russian Aircraft are more agile than any American aircraft and that is known to be fact. The USA has the advantage of being able to afford 28 million dollar radar sets that snipe 8 enemy aircraft from 500 miles away (exagerration but you get what I mean) but in terms of raw power and agility combined with outstanding firepower, the Russian aircraft industry builds aircraft with performance that outstrips the majority of youre frontline fighters (F-16's and 15's) with the exception of the F-22.
The superior K/D was achieved by a technological advantage and pilot skill, but in taking on a fully organized country with the modern aviaonics and targeting systems I think you would find the Flanker a superior aircraft.
Which is precisely why you developed the F-22. Q-E-D :rock
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Id like to see the Super Hornets go against the SU-37.
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The F-15 went into service 31 years ago. Pretty darn good run for an air superiority fighter.
Well, 4 years and the F-22 is already getting pissed on because of its price tag. 31 years sure beats the hell out of the 4. :cheers:
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There is another thread in here where I went into great detail why the russian videos are not nearly as impressive to a real fighter pilot as the F-22 demo is. I'll try to summarize...
Although the russian planes can really wave the nose around, they're falling and pretty much out of control after each extreme maneuver. Watch carefully, and you see that the nose slices a bit and the plane rotates the same way every single time as the plane flops down to regain speed after the maneuvers. That's probably engine torque as the engine mass is rotated when the nose falls, but it could be something as simple as a surface imperfection in the paint on the nose. The point is that the plane is simply falling until it regains maneuvering airspeed. An F-18 is very nearly as capable at high angles of attack, and the only reason why an F-18 can't do a cobra maneuver is because it isn't terribly useful to intentionally fall out of the sky. An F-18 CAN however wave the nose around with a very good amount of control, up to approx 45 degrees in any direction. That's pretty darn good for a 4th gen fighter and only the low thrust/weight of the hornet puts it at a disadvantage to the russian fighters in a close-in fight. An F-18 with 50% more thrust would, in a guns-only dogfight, be superior to almost anything except an F-22.
The F-22 is a completely different animal. Where the russian planes flop down to get airspeed, the F-22 simply points the nose and accelerates out in the direction it's told to by the pilot. I've seen live demos by both planes and the SU-27 family and variants aren't even close.
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Here's an article for y'all to chew on.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/articles/20091105.aspx
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...and Amanda Tapping will knock on my door asking me to do her in the pooper :pray .
Aw man. I call seconds. :lol
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Dude...puff, puff pass!! Stop bogarting whatever it is your smoking. The day a Mig-29 or SU-27 can keep up with a Raptor peace will break out in the middle east, cats and dogs will be living together, and Amanda Tapping will knock on my door asking me to do her in the pooper :pray .
(http://z.hubpages.com/u/912111_f496.jpg)
(http://www.ameinfo.com/static/images/countryguides/gallery/uae-1.jpg)
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Id like to see the Super Hornets go against the SU-37.
There is still time for this to happen.
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Can't wait for this thread to turn into yet another F/A-22 pwns all debait.
only till someone figures out how to get a virus into it's network.
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Then will it cease to function or go some other route?
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Then will it cease to function or go some other route?
not sure. they seem to be pretty reliant on their computers though....and they are networked to each other, and most probably a command base. and we all know how computers, and networks are. they ALL can be hacked eventually.
i do, however, hope i'm wrong.
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I was thinking about a "Wargames" type of situation happening. Except with the computer taking control of them. :noid
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I really don't trust the results of the India exercise. I mean really, if you are in a situation where MIG FREAKING 21'S can beat an F-15 in a2a, you've got your handicaps set wrong.
Which is exactly what happened. The American pilots were handicapped, not allowed to use either BVR or long range WVR systems, restricted to guns and AIM-9's. At that range, a good MiG-29 pilot can pretty simply grease an F-15. Simple fact was that the rules were set up to give the Indians and Russians a nice pen0r extension. The F-15's were restricted from their strongest traits, being speed and BVR combat. MiG fighters are simply better equipped for a close in knife fight, for now at least.
The MiG-21's though, those are just freaking weird. There is no reason for a MiG-21 to beat an F-15. Absolutely none.
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Can't wait for this thread to turn into yet another F/A-22 pwns all debait.
Kazaa called it!
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Kazaa called it!
Absolutely, but then again, Kazaa didn't want experts like Eagl chiming in to rain on the Soviet love parade either.
Plain and simple, American technology is still light years ahead of anything fielded by the Chinese, Indians, or former Soviets. We'll likely keep it that way for years to come.
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I didn't post to thump my chest about F-22 superiority... Rather the F-22 (and the F-18 in my post) were examples of what the flanker variants are being drooled over for, even though the flanker is simply pointing it's nose and then falling out of the sky as it regains airspeed, relying on natural stability to recover instead of relying on an inherent capability for extreme maneuvering at any speed or flightpath angle.
The F-18 is an example of a plane that *could* maneuver like a flanker, and in fact is very controllable up to 45 degrees of alpha, but it can't do the weird maneuvers because there just isn't any point. The F-22 is the opposite example, a plane that was designed from the beginning to fly backwards, sideways, etc., and remain fully controllable.
The flanker is more maneuverable than the F-15 and F-16, no question about it. But as cool looking as the flanker airshow demo looks the first time you see it, if you examine it more closely it is obvious that the pilot is essentially maneuvering the plane to an out of control situation and then relying on the plane's stability to get it flying again. The clues are as I stated before, with the most obvious ones being the nose flopping down every time to regain airspeed, the almost complete lack of flight control surface movement during the follow-through and recovery from the maneuvers, and the slight but consistent yaw and roll every single time the plane exits a maneuver. That's why although the flanker is a very respected match for the F-15, the extreme maneuverability is not why F-15 pilots respect the flanker and it's not why the F-22 is needed.
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Absolutely, but then again, Kazaa didn't want experts like Eagl chiming in to rain on the Soviet love parade either.
Plain and simple, American technology is still light years ahead of anything fielded by the Chinese, Indians, or former Soviets. We'll likely keep it that way for years to come.
but, grass hoppah......where do the electronics IN our aircraft come from? :neener:
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F-15 pilot on the Su-30MKI and Raptor after Red Flag '08:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2siH9W5P4E
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfXBoeV86Yo
The video he was talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6gkWK0OvAc
Pretty cool.
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The F 22 development program cost more than the entire budget of the Russian Air Force since the fall of the USSR . comparing them the current Flanker iterations to the Raptor is silly.
Just admire the aircraft for what they are.
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Lol, the Indians didn't like what the USAF Colonel said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNie0HzPmaY :lol
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Lol, the Indians didn't like what the USAF Colonel said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNie0HzPmaY :lol
They took most of his comments out of context. The two part lecture you posted earlier shows that he was very complimentary about the professionalism of the Indian pilots. His lecture was informative about the exercise and the capabilities of the aircraft participating, it pretty much confirms what eagl has posted. I also think his comments about the French pilots was much more interesting... :lol
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Yeah, the French are and always will be... French. ;)
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Yeah, the French are and always will be... French. ;)
:aok