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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: EDO43 on November 08, 2009, 01:39:36 PM
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haven't seen a specific topic on the subject so I thought I'd bring it up as a possibility although I'm sure it's been discussed before.... I have no idea how hard/easy it would be to accomplish but I'd like a night fighter with operable radar. They sure would come in handy after the base has been porked and the radar is down. By necessity, it'd have to have a very limited range (say 6 miles or less) and only be forward looking (if that's a possibility). I don't know how you'd limit the look/up down capability of the scan not knowing how it was done on the old WWII radar sets. Id accept 360 spherical radar coverage if that were easier but it's just a tad unrealistic. A platform to carry the airborne radar? That's easy, existing airframes could be the Ju88, the A-20 (P-70), Mosquito and for new aircraft...the P-61 Black Widow, not to mention the Beaufighter. It could be an option in the hangar attached to a weapons loadout.
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+1 as long as we get a night time arena
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Didn't the P38 have a blacked out skin for night raids?
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I thought it did, but I'm not sure. Untill they add night time to the MA's then no.
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I tend to get sad when dusk comes, will I feel the same way about night?
P.S. the PT boat has a radar dish on it, and it spins too! Can we have operational radar for it?
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Thats a really good idea clone. Although there will be a solid line PT boats between continents on all maps with water.
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Thats a really good idea clone. Although there will be a solid line PT boats between continents on all maps with water.
Yeah, maybe we would need other boats to intercept them? (hint hint)
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how about destroyer escorts?
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Night fighting aircraft, were not always limited to night fighting. I don't feel that night needs to be a requirement to have a night fighter. P-61A/B has always been my choice for a AH fighter. Of course there will always be the anti crowd with their "there's no night" or "we need more early planes" and of course "we have to many US planes".
As for the radar, since we have AH Radar, I dont see a point in modeling it.
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i saw once in the old "flying tigers" tv show's how they had a pony with radar that would guide them to the zero's at sea. I know robert conrad wouldnt lie about that. would be cool to have this plane for like 300 perk points for night attack. and I mean real night attack.
semp
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Eaa, people can just turn up the gamma and then night turns to day.
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Didn't the P38 have a blacked out skin for night raids?
Yes but only a few with the exception of the P38M.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,261875.0.html
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Agreed...we need to see the P-61 as well as the nightfighter version of the Me-262
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Sunka, that affects everything, and doesn't look as good. Not even close. Is there some reason no one likes night?
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Agreed...we need to see the P-61 as well as the nightfighter version of the Me-262
Why would we need the night fighter version of the ME 262? It absolutely brings nothing to the game that the existing Me 262 A-1a doesn't already bring and offers nothing new.
ack-ack
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Night fighting aircraft, were not always limited to night fighting. I don't feel that night needs to be a requirement to have a night fighter. P-61A/B has always been my choice for a AH fighter. Of course there will always be the anti crowd with their "there's no night" or "we need more early planes" and of course "we have to many US planes".
As for the radar, since we have AH Radar, I dont see a point in modeling it.
there's no night, we need more early planes, we have too many US planes...
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Not really. Japan didn't make a whole lot of planes that would make it into the game. Italy's would be either useless or uber (although we have the 262 and thats uber), Russia is pretty well covered for fighters I think, as is Germany unless you want to add all the small use, poor preformance planes. IDK about England for fighters and I KNOW bombers could use some work.
Name some major holes in the set, and lets see if its more urgant than an accurate, and functioning terrain.
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Not really. Japan didn't make a whole lot of planes that would make it into the game. Italy's would be either useless or uber (although we have the 262 and thats uber), Russia is pretty well covered for fighters I think, as is Germany unless you want to add all the small use, poor preformance planes. IDK about England for fighters and I KNOW bombers could use some work.
Name some major holes in the set, and lets see if its more urgant than an accurate, and functioning terrain.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
You really have no clue
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no clue? god i dont think he ever could have got the clue
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I agree we should have the P-61 along with night arenas and airborne radar +1 :aok
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Untill they add night time to the MA's then no.
I've seen this argument used when making the case against having the P-61 black Widow. That because we dont have night. We shouldnt have the night fighters.
If we were bound to the idea of historical accuracy I'd agree. But outside of the planes used in our "war" There is very little historically accurate in our game.
So this argument makes no sense.
Consider this
We have a game where we have dive bombing B-17's and other heavy bombers. Something which can only be described as at very best, very rare. Probably even more rare then P61's fighting during the daytime.
Euro planes fighting with and against Pacific planes.
If this game were historically accurate. Lancasters would be doing most of its bombing at...night
Each plane has on board radar which can cover. Thousands of square miles. And radios that can transmit thousands of square miles.
Bases, and ships that suffer no ill effects from bad weather or ocean/surf conditions
Bushes and small trees that can flip 50+ ton vehicles completely upside down.
Not to mention Axis and allied vehicles fighting together on the same side
And a host of other things.
Now i understand that concessions are made for the sake of gameplay. This is after all a game. Not a historical simulator. And one of those concessions has turned out to be. No night.
And that is why the "Because we dont have night" argument holds no water whatsoever.
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Why would we need the night fighter version of the ME 262? It absolutely brings nothing to the game that the existing Me 262 A-1a doesn't already bring and offers nothing new.
ack-ack
That I would agree with.
and besides. as I mentioned in the post above.
All planes, Boats and vehicles already have radar.
Hell even the guy in the parachute has radar lmao
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I've seen this argument used when making the case against having the P-61 black Widow. That because we dont have night. We shouldnt have the night fighters.
If we were bound to the idea of historical accuracy I'd agree. But outside of the planes used in our "war" There is very little historically accurate in our game.
So this argument makes no sense.
Consider this
We have a game where we have dive bombing B-17's and other heavy bombers. Something which can only be described as at very best, very rare. Probably even more rare then P61's fighting during the daytime.
Euro planes fighting with and against Pacific planes.
If this game were historically accurate. Lancasters would be doing most of its bombing at...night
Each plane has on board radar which can cover. Thousands of square miles. And radios that can transmit thousands of square miles.
Bases, and ships that suffer no ill effects from bad weather or ocean/surf conditions
Bushes and small trees that can flip 50+ ton vehicles completely upside down.
Not to mention Axis and allied vehicles fighting together on the same side
And a host of other things.
Now i understand that concessions are made for the sake of gameplay. This is after all a game. Not a historical simulator. And one of those concessions has turned out to be. No night.
And that is why the "Because we dont have night" argument holds no water whatsoever.
aint war hell :)
semp
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Yes, the MA has a global radar that works within a 12.5 mile radius of each base. Pork the base radar and you're blind outside of the generic bar radar which tells only that there's aircraft in the sector. Knock out the homeland radar and it all goes down (until mass goons resupply it 15 minutes later). And what about those areas that have no "dot" radar? Think of the airborne radar of a night fighter that is immune to porking (outside of being shot down). With a range as I indicated in my initial post, a base without radar or an area without coverage might still get valuable intercepts by the radar equipped night fighters. Oh, and for the record, the radar worked in the day time too, it was just attached to fighters that prowled the night sky looking for after dark intruders mainly because eyesight doesn't work too well at night (in the WWII context) beyond a certain range. P-61's flew in the day time as well. I have several pictures of Widow's flying in the daylight on combat sorties over Europe and Asia so that really puts a hole in the "Only if we have night in the arena" argument. Yes, the aircraft were primarily used at night but since when have the players of AH used aircraft exlcusively in their intended, historical roles? I'll also go as far as to say that if HTC did implement the airborne radar, even on an experimental basis, everyone who's chimed in either for or against will fly an AI equipped aircraft and use the AI radar either for EW or direct engagement...you know you would.
As a further caveat, I'd suggest that the airborne radar sets be limited to the same altitude minimums as the global radar. In addition, I'd suggest that the aircraft be airborne (1000 ft AGL) before the AI radar could be activated to prevent the runway sitters from providing radar coverage for a base w/porked radar.
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Actually, IIRC, most night intercepts were directed by ground-based radar. Aircraft, radar equipped or not, still needed to be pointed in the right direction to find their target.
You would also need to turn off icons for radar to be needed as icon range is pretty close to effective early airborne radar range.
And, with the ability to adjust your gamma, you can turn "night" into day anyhow.
wrongway
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Not really. Japan didn't make a whole lot of planes that would make it into the game. Italy's would be either useless or uber (although we have the 262 and thats uber), Russia is pretty well covered for fighters I think, as is Germany unless you want to add all the small use, poor preformance planes. IDK about England for fighters and I KNOW bombers could use some work.
Name some major holes in the set, and lets see if its more urgant than an accurate, and functioning terrain.
Honestly, you should really stop making posts like this. All it does is show you have absolutely no clue at all about fighter planes or probably anything else for that matter. Please, read a book and learn something.
ack-ack
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Nightfighters...have we been there lately?
Yes, end of discussion.
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See Rule #4
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Consider this
Probably even more rare then P61's fighting during the daytime.
In most theaters of operation I have read about the P61 was so good at the job there was not much left to shoot at during the night. So most were turned over to day operations bombing rocket attacks and strafing.
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See Rule #4
Lmao, no, you don't need to necessarily post something to "be there", in our minds we are constantly revisiting the ideas, but before we type, we retract the idea because as we all know, it will never happen. Its not "crapping on your idea", its constructive criticism.
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Lmao, no, you don't need to necessarily post something to "be there", in our minds we are constantly revisiting the ideas, but before we type, we retract the idea because as we all know, it will never happen. Its not "crapping on your idea", its constructive criticism.
This from the guy that gave us the soon to be famous "Fart Gun" thread?? Oh PULEEZ!! :banana:
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The P-61 deserves a place in the AH inventory.:aok Whether we have true night or not.
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Actually there is a simple fix to the gamma issue. Try this off line and you'll see that adjusting gamma has very little impact (at least on my system).
[NOTE:] Only try this if you a comfortable changing the arena settings off-line.
Change the following settings;
- ColorDuskFog[Night]- 0/0/0
- ColorFog[Night]- 0/0/0
- ColorSky[Night]- 0/0/0
- FogVisibilityMiles- 0.500
Then adjust the arena time to something after 01:00.
Spawn onto the runway and watch the ack and look for icons adjust the gamma as you see fit. Try and fly and see if it makes any difference, on my system keeping it at a 1.0 gamma going to max doesn't make any difference to me when I see the icon.
If someone does see a difference I'd like to hear about it, thanks
<S> Baumer
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Not really. Japan didn't make a whole lot of planes that would make it into the game. Italy's would be either useless or uber (although we have the 262 and thats uber), Russia is pretty well covered for fighters I think, as is Germany unless you want to add all the small use, poor preformance planes. IDK about England for fighters and I KNOW bombers could use some work.
Name some major holes in the set, and lets see if its more urgant than an accurate, and functioning terrain.
Seriously? Wow.
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See Rule #4
Apologies to all. I didn't think t'was that bad but I guess it was bad nuff to warrant the removal. Sometimes the idea police get the better of me.
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This from the guy that gave us the soon to be famous "Fart Gun" thread?? Oh PULEEZ!! :banana:
Incorrect, this is not from the guy who wrote that thread, my friend had access to my account and did stupid stuff like sending odd messages to people and putting in that thread. I personally do not fancy the idea of an air gun myself, for one, how would you re-arm it?
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Not really. Japan didn't make a whole lot of planes that would make it into the game. Italy's would be either useless or uber (although we have the 262 and thats uber), Russia is pretty well covered for fighters I think, as is Germany unless you want to add all the small use, poor preformance planes. IDK about England for fighters and I KNOW bombers could use some work.
Name some major holes in the set, and lets see if its more urgant than an accurate, and functioning terrain.
Sweet jebus. Pick up a book please.
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Honestly, you should really stop making posts like this. All it does is show you have absolutely no clue at all about fighter planes or probably anything else for that matter. Please, read a book and learn something.
ack-ack
As I said "name some major holes in the set and lets see if its more urgant that accurate, functioning terrain".
I don't concider an obscure plane with 100 examples produced to be important to the plane set. And I do admit I don't know what planes would make it into the game. I was simply stating that the problem isn't that the USA has too many planes. I suppose you could argue that point, but really its just an opinion, same as a lot of the stuff in these boards.
And ack ack, I'm willing to learn, but really you should say more than "Please, read a book and learn something". Perhaps a list of books and manuels you concider to be appropriate. Can't really tell me to do something and provide no tools to do it with.
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If you want it picked apart,
Not really. Japan didn't make a whole lot of planes that would make it into the game.
Ki 43, nearly 6,000 produced, Japanese Army's equivalent of the A6M
G4M, nearly 2,500 produced, Japan's workhorse bomber throughout much of the war
A6M3, Mid-war A6M variant
Just to name a few... not a big Pacific guy myself
Italy's would be either useless or uber (although we have the 262 and thats uber),
Not sure where you got this from, Italy was effectively out of the war in 1943, it never produced any 'uber' aircraft.
However, as parts of the Italian planeset we are missing,
CR.42, Italy's main fighter up through 1941, 1,800 built
C.200, monowing fighter replacement for CR.42, 1,100 built
G.50, monowing fighter replacement for CR.42, also sold to Finland, almost 800 built
G.55, the best of Italy's last generation of fighters, about equal in performance to the 109G, 274 built
BR.20, one of Italy's main bombers at the beginning of the war, 600 built
SM.79, Italy's workhorse 3-engined aircraft, 1,300 built
Russia is pretty well covered for fighters I think,
This is the most ridiculous claim you've ever made perhaps, the Russian fighter set is a skeleton at best. As far as important fighters go, it's missing;
I-153, 3,400 built
LaGG-1/3 (predecessor to the La-5 series), 6,200 built
MiG-1/3, 3,100 built
Yak-1, 8,100 built
Yak-3, 4,800 built
Yak-7, 6,400 built
then of course there's the bombers;
Pe-2, 11,400 built
Tu-2, 2,200 built
and others....
as is Germany unless you want to add all the small use, poor preformance planes.
haha low use
He-111, 6,500 built, Germany's main bomber throughout the opening stages of the war,
Do-17, 2,100 built, though much of that production was obsolete at the war's start,
Ju-52, 4,800 built, essentially the German C-47, highly successful civilian aircraft and workhorse wartime transport/bomber,
Do 217, 1,700 built, one of Germany's main mid-war bombers,
Ju 188, 1,200 built, another one of Germany's mid-war types
then of course there's still a multitude of variants that would be nice, such as the Ju 87G-1/2
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Not really. Japan didn't make a whole lot of planes that would make it into the game.
I'm going to give you a list of aircraft and I want you to look them up, preferably in books, but the internet will do as well. All of these aircraft would have a place in Aces High and some of them would actually do quite well.
A6M3 "Zeke"
B6N "Jill"
B7A "Grace"
D4Y "Judy"
G3M "Nell"
G4M "Betty"
H6K "Mavis"
H8K "Emily"
J1N "Irving"
J2M "Jack"
Ki-21 "Sally"
Ki-43 "Oscar"
Ki-44 "Tojo"
Ki-45 "Nick"
Ki-46-III "Dinah"
Ki-48 "Lily"
Ki-49 "Helen"
Ki-61-II "Tony"
Ki-100
Ki-102 "Randy"
N1K1-J "George"
P1Y "Frances"
All of those Japanese aircraft would be valid additions to Aces High, some would see significant use in the MA.
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Some would, I agree. But really I don't see much point to the A6M3 (we already have 2 of them). I do realize your just giving me a list of planes that would be acceptable in the game, what I was kind of asking was, would you give me a list of planes you want in the game? Not counting older planes (ki43 compared Ki44 or 45), its not THAT large of a list.
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For LWMA purposes, I'd list these:
A6M6
B6N2
B7A2
D4Y (any version)
H8K2
J2M3
J2M5
Ki-43-IIIb
Ki-44-II (you didn't do your homework)
Ki-61-II
Ki-100
Ki-102
N1K1-J
P1Y1
For earlier arenas and scenarios the following are needed:
A6M3 (just because it is a variant of an airframe we already have doesn't mean we don't need it)
D3A2
G4M2
Ki-21
Ki-43-I-Ko
Ki-43-II
Ki-45
Ki-61-I
Ki-61-I-Ko
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OK. Thanks. I'll research them as you wish me to.