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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Jappa52 on November 11, 2009, 02:23:14 PM
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Hey Gents-
About 2 years ago I bought an 8600GTS card, a 550w ps and another 2 gigs for my HP. I want to buy a new card and keep my lil puter around another year or two but dont really know what it will handle. Im thinking about a BFG - NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT 1GB GDDR3 PCI Express.... will my puter run this card?
When I looked at this card I saw this BFG - NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 OC 1GB GDDR3 PCI Express for just a tad more. I felt like I kinda went cheap with the 8600 (even though it wasnt at the time) and dont want to make the same mistake again. There are 3-4 cards all within 20-30 dollars, NVIDIA, PNY... I will spend the extra if its worth it and my computer can actually put the card to use...
Any suggestions? As always, thanks for the help!! :salute
This is the only dxdiag I have atm. Dont think it shows the extra 2gigs I installed.
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service
Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: HP Pavilion 061
System Model: EX276AA-ABA a1540n
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.2GHz
Memory: 2046MB RAM
Page File: 383MB used, 3555MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS
Display Memory: 256.0 MB
I have a 23” Samsung hooked up to it now…
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9800GTX
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Me Too.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,277926.0.html
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It is a GTS
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9800GTX
ok this i found on tigerdirect.... EVGA GeForce 9800 GTX+ Video Card - 512MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV
this was copied from the bestbuy website.. BFG NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT 1GB GDDR3 PCI Express Graphics Card
And this is were I go :headscratch: :headscratch: ....
the card with 1gig goes for 10-20 less than the card with 512
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So Kuhn you have the same card eh? I cant see cons as far out as other people and I get stutters in big fights. This time I want to make sure I get a card that will last me for another year or two and run AH2 with no problems. If I see stutters I want to know its not the card....
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So Kuhn you have the same card eh? I cant see cons as far out as other people and I get stutters in big fights. This time I want to make sure I get a card that will last me for another year or two and run AH2 with no problems. If I see stutters I want to know its not the card....
Yeah, same card. I have been getting slower and slower frame rates in a fight with more than 3 cons. The LW main arenas are off limits because of the # of people in the arena.
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I would stay away from the BFG cards... The fans are crappy and have a habit of stopping causing the card to overheat. Happened to me once, then some research revealed that many other folks had had the same issue.
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I would stay away from the BFG cards... The fans are crappy and have a habit of stopping causing the card to overheat. Happened to me once, then some research revealed that many other folks had had the same issue.
Not an issue for me.
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My 8600 seems to run at 124ish with normal use and about 135ish when running AH2. Never been too sure what is an ok temp but it has been like that since I bought it...
BFG - NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 OC 1GB GDDR3 PCI Express Graphics Card
PNY - NVIDIA GT 220 1024MB DDR2 PCI Express Graphics Card
PNY - NVIDIA GeForce XLR8 GTS 250 1GB DDR3 PCI Express Graphics Card
BFG - NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT 1GB GDDR3 PCI Express Graphics Card
Too.........many..........cho ices :headscratch:
atm I am leaning towards one of the last two listed.
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jappa the 9800 with the 512 i think would be best but make sure your PS is enough.
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Hey Dirty!
PNY - XLR8 NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT EE 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express Graphics Card .....
ok why this one and not the BFG - NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT 1GB GDDR3 PCI Express Graphics Card
wouldnt the 1gb card be better than the 512? It's also cheaper and requires a smaller power supply which doesnt make a lot of sense to me but....
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jappa the 9800 with the 512 i think would be best but make sure your PS is enough.
That's what I'm concerned about. Can my PS handle a better card. How do I find that info?
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do a search in "hardware and software"there's a couple threads on this discussion.
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do a search in "hardware and software"there's a couple threads on this discussion.
Search? NOT!!! Just tell me now. :D
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If you're in the store it should say on the box. most websites will have it listed under the system requirements
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Hey Dirty!
PNY - XLR8 NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT EE 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express Graphics Card .....
ok why this one and not the BFG - NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT 1GB GDDR3 PCI Express Graphics Card
wouldnt the 1gb card be better than the 512? It's also cheaper and requires a smaller power supply which doesnt make a lot of sense to me but....
Look very closely at the specs on the 1GB card...it's actually slower. If you're gonna buy a BFG (which I don't recommend)...be ready to have some very weird glitches...standard Nvidia drivers are hit/miss whereas EVGA, XFX and PNY are better engineered.
If I may...you're running a dual core AMD processor...probably an Asus or Gigabyte mobo as well...you would probably be better off grabbing an ATI video card to throw in there...since AMD owns ATI you're going to get a better match.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161290 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161290)
Check the specs on that one.
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First of all most newer cards will require either a six or eight pin PCIe power connector from your power supply (some require two power connectors) so if you don't have one you'll need a new PSU. The next thing you need to do is check the amperage rating for the card you want vs the amperage ratings on the 12V rail(s) of your PSU. You'll likely need between 28-35 amps to run a newer card. The amp ratings are listed on a sticker on the PSU. You need the amps on the +12V rail(s) to exceed the card manufacturer's amp requirements.
As far as cards go most 512 Mb cards are faster than 1 Gb cards so are a better choice for gaming. The other reason to stick with a 512 Mb card is that a 32 bit operating system will only recognize a total of 4 Gb of system RAM. That includes your regular RAM and that of the video card. From that, the system allocates RAM to the motherboard, usb ports and other areas leaving you with 3.25-3.75 Gb of usable RAM depending on the system. If you install a 1 Gb card you'll only have about 2.5 Gb of regular system RAM availabe. Of course if you have a 64 bit OS then none of that matters.
The biggest determining factor in how a video card performs is it's maximum memory bandwidth. Unfortunatly, most retail sites don't list this and not all manufacturer sites do either. The good news is you can compare cards by looking at the memory type (GDDR2, GDDR3, etc... higher is better) and the memory speed (1600 Mz, 2100 Mhz, etc... again higher is better) with type being the more significant indicator of performance.
The next thing to consider is pixel pipelines (again, more is better). This determins your pixel and texture fill rate.
All other things being equal a higher GPU core clock speed would be the final determining factor.
Hope that helps you make an informed decision.
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Uhhh...Baldy, you forgot "interface" 64bit - 128bit - 256bit or 384bit.
Good advice from Baldy before you go any further...check the specs on that PSU.
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Just installed an EVGA 9800gt to replace my ASUS 8600gt.
Now have sliders and antialiasing at full,frame rate steady at 60(monitor refresh rate) and no stutters at all.
The EVGA precision utility is great and installation was a breeze.
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Hey Gents, thanks for the help!!!! :salute I just learned a lot about vcards.
I looked at my PS. I have 3 12V rails pushing 18A a piece and a total of 504W, another 12V-.8A-9.6W, 5VSB-2.5S-12.5W, 5V-20A-100W, 3.3V-24A-79.2W..... most card specifications seem to give general figures for power requirements.
Example: Windows XP or Vista; 1GB RAM; 100MB hard drive space; optical drive; PCI Express-compliant motherboard; available PCI Express x16 slot; 525W power supply
I have a 550W PS so a noob like myself would think I'm ok but the 12V rails are only pushing 18A a piece and even their combined output is only 504W. I've been looking at PS on the bestbuy website and they list the number of connections (rails? not sure of the terminology) and an overall output but don't list the output for each connection...
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It sounds like your PSU will handle it as long as it has the right connector. You'll most likely need a six pin connector. Is there a "spare" wire coming from the PSU with a six hole plug on it?
You said you have 3 +12V rails @ 18 amps ea. That's 54 amps total. 54 amps x 12V = 648 watts. 550/648 = 85% efficiency which is a rate typically associated with quality PSU's. What brand is your PSU?
You don't have to worry about the 504W from the 12V rails. The card manufacturers recommendations take into account the need for +5V and other rails. As long as your overall amps and watts exceed Mfg. specs and you have the right PCIe connection you should be good to go.
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It is a Antec 550W HE something something..... I think it has the needed connector but will double check. When I installed it along with the new card I had more connectors than needed and now that I'm hearing all this I hope I hooked it up right. Guess I did since it hasn't melted yet :D
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Jappa, for the ATI 4850 card your PSU is more than adequate...for the 9800GTX, you don't have enough power on the 12v rail (Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 24 Amp Amps)...if you go with a 9800GTS, no problems.
I still recommend the ATI 4850 over the Nvidia anything for your setup...but either way is better than what you have now.
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Hey Gyrene-
I have heard that about AMD and ATI work better together but I've only had experience with NVIDIA. I looked at that card and it seems like a good deal. I looked at the ATI website but am a little confused as to why they so many different manufacturers? Sapphire, ASUS, Gigabyte, Apple, Diamond, HIS, Visontek, Powercolor, XFX, MSI.... seems a bit "bush league" to me.... so many different companies (I'm guessing) that seem to put out cards with the same specs, which one is the best?
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I looked at the ATI website but am a little confused as to why they so many different manufacturers? Sapphire, ASUS, Gigabyte, Apple, Diamond, HIS, Visontek, Powercolor, XFX, MSI.... seems a bit "bush league" to me.... so many different companies (I'm guessing) that seem to put out cards with the same specs, which one is the best?
Fot the same reasons that Dell, Gateway, HP, Compaq and others put out Intel computers.
AMD and Nvidia design the GPU chips and all those companies are manufacturers who license the technology. Almost every one of those companies also make Nvidia cards. Very few are chip specific just as Dell, HP, etal also make AMD based computers.
Reputation and warranty are big deciders in the end. Not all manufacturer's create cards of equal quality.
If you go with Nvidia EVGA probably has the best reputation, a lifetime warrantee and a step-up program where if you're not satisfied with your card you can trade it in for full value for a better card (within a time restriction). They are one of the few who only make Nvidia based cards and their customer service is good. I can't speak to AMD as I've always owned EVGA/Nvidia graphics cards.
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If you go with Nvidia EVGA probably has the best reputation, a lifetime warrantee and a step-up program where if you're not satisfied with your card you can trade it in for full value for a better card (within a time restriction). They are one of the few who only make Nvidia based cards and their customer service is good. I can't speak to AMD as I've always owned EVGA/Nvidia graphics cards.
BaldEagl is right but look on the EVGA site since not all of the EVGA cards qualify for the lifetime warranty. EVGA cards presently are the only cards I use in my builds. The 90 Step-Up program works great and the 24/7 customer service is a great help if you get into a jam. You MUST register your product to qualify for the 90 day and lifetime warranty, I advise spending the extra few dollars when registering to make the cross shipping available if there is a problem. If you don't you could be 10 days to 3~4 weeks waiting for product, esp the higher end cards. You will be able to run any EVGA card from the 250 on down with your current PSU provided you have the proper connections available.
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I'm liking this evga geforce 250
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=512-P3-1154-TR
but just wanted to make sure my ps would handle it as it does say...
Requirements Minimum of a 450 Watt power supply.
(Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 24 Amps.)
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What's the difference between the GTS and the GTX? Also, how does that compare to the ati 4850?
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how much difference would there be on an older system (AMD Athlon 2.0Ghz) on identical cards with one having a 128bit memory interface and the other 256?
i'm trying to find the best AGP card and there is a lot to weed thru, especially for a computer tard :eek: like myself.
zzee
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Hi every1, I'd like to upgrade my ATI Radeon HD 4670 video card to a newer one, your suggestions are invited. I'm on Vista.
Likewise am looking for an updated version of SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD
Sound Card, mine is 2 years old. Recommendations pls, TY.
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I'm liking this evga geforce 250
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=512-P3-1154-TR
but just wanted to make sure my ps would handle it as it does say...
Yes, it will work as long as you have the right power connector for it.
how much difference would there be on an older system (AMD Athlon 2.0Ghz) on identical cards with one having a 128bit memory interface and the other 256?
i'm trying to find the best AGP card and there is a lot to weed thru, especially for a computer tard :eek: like myself.
zzee
While bitrate is a component of bandwidth pixel pipelines and bitrate affect picture quality delivering more or less information to each frame (fill rate) vs. memory type and speed which affect performance (fps).
Hi every1, I'd like to upgrade my ATI Radeon HD 4670 video card to a newer one, your suggestions are invited. I'm on Vista.
Likewise am looking for an updated version of SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD
Sound Card, mine is 2 years old. Recommendations pls, TY.
We'd need to know what make and model power supply you have or it's wattage and +12V amperage ratings, what type and speed CPU you have and how much memory is in your system to make an informed recommendation.
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What's the difference between the GTS and the GTX? Also, how does that compare to the ati 4850?
The GTS is the re-brand of the GTX9800 series if that hasn't been mentioned already.
Discussed in full in this review of the BFG GTS 250 OC 1GB mentioned in the first post, as are speed charts for the Radeon 4850 and 4870 512MB versions:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gts-250,2172.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gts-250,2172.html)
"it also performs right in the middle of the Radeon HD 4870 and 4850 cards. Of course, that was BFG's overclocked OC (OverClocked) Edition board"
Note the comments at the end in regards to the negligible benefit of 1GB over 512MB versions and bear in mind what BaldEagl said about system memory requirements for 1GB cards.
I'd likely pick the 512MB 250 (a squaddie has one and likes it a lot) over the 4850, and I'd pick the 4870 over them all but 512MB versions of the 4870 are now scarce as most are 1GB versions and more costly.
Jappa52 listed a GTS250 512MB version from EVGA at 149.99 (http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=512-P3-1154-TR) and here is EVGA's overclocked 1GB version at 159.99 (http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=01G-P3-1155-TR&family=Geforce%20200%20Series%20Family), the same one Newegg is listing at $155. (This card would be mostly identical to the BFG in the review)
Newegg also lists an XFX Radeon 4870 1GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150436) with lifetime warranty also at $155, but unfortunately, this too is a 1GB card. They do list an 'OpenBox' Saphire 4870 512MB at $109 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102810R) (500 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express power connectors recommended ). But yes, it's open box ... tough call.
Amazon.com list both EVGA and XFX 512MB versions of the GTS250 for around $136 and Newegg lists cheaper 250's (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106793024&name=GeForce%20GTS%20200%20series) (sort the list by lowest price), but I'd be inclined to stick with the EVGA, XFX lines as well.
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Ooops, my mistake .... forgot to list the pertinent data:
My OS: Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 System Type: X86 based PC
System Model: Maximus Formula
Proc: Intel (R) Core (TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz (2CPUs) ~2.1GHz
Memory: 465.76 GB
I wish to upgrade my ATI Radeon HD 4670 Video Card & also upgrade my SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD.
Your suggestions/advice are kindly solicited. TY
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Ooops, my mistake .... forgot to list the pertinent data:
My OS: Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 System Type: X86 based PC
System Model: Maximus Formula
Proc: Intel (R) Core (TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz (2CPUs) ~2.1GHz
Memory: 465.76 GB
I wish to upgrade my ATI Radeon HD 4670 Video Card & also upgrade my SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD.
Your suggestions/advice are kindly solicited. TY
Still need to know the amps and watts on your power supply and if it has a PCIe connector but it doesn't look to me like the video card is holding you back.
If it were me I'd get rid of that 512 chip of RAM you have and insert 2x 1 Gb sticks. That alone will help you out a lot. If you want to get away from on-board sound the Creative X-Fi gamers are good cards. They have their own processors and RAM and totally unload audio processing off the CPU but they used to have driver issues with Vista. I'm not sure if those have been fixed or not. If $90 is out of the budget then I'd get a high-end Creative Audigy for around $30.
With those changes you'd see a good performance boost and may not need a better video card. If you do upgrade the video card the gains will be marginal at best without those other changes first. Even afterward the gains may not be that great as you're going to be somewhat CPU bound by your 1066 FSB and 2 Mb L2 cache.
The good news is that CPU could be overclocked to around 2.6 Ghz depending on your motherboard and CPU cooler or it could be replaced by a faster LGA775 chip.
Hope that helps with the decision making.
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Wanted to thank everyone for their help... I learned a few things from this thread. :salute
I ordered the EVGA 250 512 this morning and hope to have it next week!
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BaldEagl :)
Thx ever so much for ur erudite advice to me, I've decided to act on ur suggestions & purchase the 2x1GB sticks from Newegg.com, u've saved me $$ :aok :salute
:cheers:
Hellfire
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If you want to get away from on-board sound the Creative X-Fi gamers are good cards. They have their own processors and RAM and totally unload audio processing off the CPU but they used to have driver issues with Vista. I'm not sure if those have been fixed or not.
The drivers sorta work nowadays but people should still install ONLY drivers - not the creative control software.
With Vista or W7 you will lose the 'what u hear' ability i.e. you cannot record streaming sound that plays from the computer like you can with Creative and XP.
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Wanted to thank everyone for their help... I learned a few things from this thread. :salute
I ordered the EVGA 250 512 this morning and hope to have it next week!
you wont be disappointed :aok
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you wont be disappointed :aok
welllll see what had happened was.. :cry
Ok,l got the new card in on wednesday evening. Didnt really have a chance to mess with it after install so I waited until this afternoon. I got in game and cranked up the sliders and clicked on the shadows and........ frame rates of 14-28 or so. Went back and turned off the shadows but left the water reflections on.... same result real low frame rates. Kept unselecting eye candy until I was at the settings of my old card and yet I am getting worse frame rates than my old card. I currently only have detailed terrian and water selected and am running the 512 on the main video settings..... I am stumped. I've made sure the drivers are in, run pcdoctor tests on the entire machine, run anti virus tests on the machine several times... It is probably something very simple but Im out of ideas.
Again, I ask for your help :pray :salute :cry
Time of this report: 11/19/2009, 21:25:59
Machine name: ALPHA-BIG-P.O.S.
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: HP Pavilion 061
System Model: EX276AA-ABA a1540n
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.2GHz
Memory: 3582MB RAM
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DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GTS 250
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
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Current Mode: 1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (60Hz)
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Monitor Max Res: 1920,1200
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You did make sure as to remove Video drivers from the older card before installing the new one, correct Jappa?
Also settings with that card should max almost. Your system is about the same as mine (CPU: 4850e 2.5GHz OCed to 2.85GHz), and the GPU is a bit below what I have (GTX 260), and I can run as such:
1024 Textures with Hi-res pack
4096 Shadows With Smooth shadows
Detail terrain/Water/Local water Reflections/Bump Map
Detail Range/Vis Range: 3/4 Max
AA: 3rd tick (8x)
V-Sync: on
Re: 1680x1050
Frame Rate: 45-60
In Nvidia control panel make sure everything is on "Application controlled".
Just some basic checks before the smarter ones come in. :D
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thnks that gives me a bit of hope. game will look real good when i get it working
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It sounds like you didn't uninstall the old video driver before installing the new one. If that's the case you have two options to get where you need to be:
Download, install and run a driver cleaner to remove any graphics driver remnants or uninstall the new driver, reinstall the old driver, uninstall the old driver then reinstall the new driver. Either method should resolve your problem.
I leave all my Nvidia control panal settings to "overide any application" because I do more than play Aces High with my machine and want to preserve my own settings (I don't use application specific settings).
I run locked at 59 FPS (monitor refresh rate) with high res textures, all sliders maxed, reflections on but shadows and soft shadows off. Shadows don't affect my performance but soft shadows do and I can't stand the look without them so I just turn them all off.
My system:
Intel E6750 (2.66 Ghz) OC'd to 3.2 Ghz
EVGA 780i motherboard
4 Gb (4x1Gb) Kingston HyperX DDR2 800 RAM (4-4-4-12 timings)
EVGA 512 Mb GTS 8800 (G92)
Creative X-Fi Gamer Fatality Pro
2x ASUS optical drives (1x reader, 1x writer)
2x 250 Gb Seagate SATA hard drives
2x 500 Gb Seagate NS series SATA hard drives
Floppy drive
PC Power & Cooling 750W Silencer
Windows XP Pro
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This morning I ran a driver sweeper and removed all drivers for the card. Ran a dxdiag and made sure the generic vga driver was in then reran the driver sweeper to be sure :t I downloaded the driver from the evga website and saved it to my desktop, then installed. Fired up AH, went to video settings and turned it up to 1024, got into the orange and maxed the sliders as well as turned on all the details. There was a definite improvement but the frame rates are still dropping to low 20s... I upped off a cv and flew towards a field to see what the FR would do when the ack started, its strange the FR are dropping to low 20s but would jump up a sec later. I also noticed and I have no clue why this would be effected but the sounds are off as well. I flew right over the cruiser as it fired and never heard the guns, got shot down and never heard the hits and when I killed someone they were there one second and gone the next. No explosion, no nothin. I turned off the shadows but am still having the same issues.
I'm still stumped :( Anyone have any ideas?
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You're gonna have to tweak the settings in the Nvidia control panel, takes some testing but forcing some options to game controlled works better than "global setting"...make sure the video card/monitor resolution matches your video settings in the game...and strangely enough, I put one notch of AA on in the game and it smoothed everything out to almost perfect.
I have the same card you have but I'm only running 512 textures and no shadows.
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I've talked to jappa about this.i think there's something up here .I personally would reformat the computer and start from scratch.I see no reason why he can't run this card in default settings in the control panel
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Yeah Dirty that is my last ditch effort. This is my only comp at home and there is a lot of stuff on it that I would need to save to disk before reformat. I just want to make sure there isnt something I'm missing.
More info.... before I installed the new card my old one was acting up. I was getting a driver failure error. Was weird because everything was fine with it until the day the new card was to arrive, then bam screen gets odd colors and twitches until it freezes up and the "The nvidia driver nv4_disp.dll is corrupt and no longer working" or something similar. Couldnt fix it by downloading new drivers for it, finally gave up and installed the new card...
Another question, why would my sounds be off or acting weird in game?
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jappa check your pm
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More info.... before I installed the new card my old one was acting up. I was getting a driver failure error. Was weird because everything was fine with it until the day the new card was to arrive, then bam screen gets odd colors and twitches until it freezes up and the "The nvidia driver nv4_disp.dll is corrupt and no longer working" or something similar. Couldnt fix it by downloading new drivers for it, finally gave up and installed the new card...
Another question, why would my sounds be off or acting weird in game?
Do you have just a single drive in that system? If there is any possibility of putting another drive in that box, do it. On the C:\ drive only your OS and programs...secondary drive should hold anything you do not want to lose if you have to reload the system.
It does sound suspiciously like you have more than just a driver/hardware issue...and a fresh reload would be the first step in figuring out the problems.
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Hey Gents,
So I bought an external hd and restored the computer to factory settings. It did seem to help but I am still getting spiking frame rates ingame. Spoke with Skuzzy (thank you for your help :salute) about it and he seems to thank that my system is bottlenecking and preventing the card from preforming as it should. I have started speaking with the folks at EVGA now and they are thinking the same but want to look at a few more things.
My question is; what are my options now? What can I upgrade or replace to make it work? Looking at my setup would you upgrade the motherboard or cpu or just wait and purchase a new setup down the road?
thanks for the help :salute
jappa
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From what I can find your CPU is Socket 939 (I was thinking it was AM2). This makes it worthless to upgrade the CPU, since 939 is 3 Socket types behind now.
Options:
Buy a new motherboard and CPU - AMD (~$200)
Buy a new motherboard and CPU - Intel (~$260)
Buy a new CPU and be just as bottle-necked. ($25-100)
Wait and buy all new Board/CPU, RAM, HDD, DVD and other parts to replace (Price varying)
Your RAM is currently DDR2, so even though it's slower speeds you won't need to replace it if you go the Motherboard option. The only problem I see maybe happening is HP being annoying like normal and having made the Motherboard some funky shape so as to be un-upgradeable. If that is true, which I hope not, you'd need a new case, which can run anywhere from $25-200+.
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The issue always start small and grows :lol
My motherboard is manufactured by ASUSTek Computer INC. NVIDIA GeForce 6150....
Welll sheeesh. It sounds like I need a new mobo, cpu and case since the current hp tower is tiny. I wonder if I can talk the evga guys into taking the card back and downgrading it to one that better fits my system :rolleyes:
Thanks for the help. :salute
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Well, considering the excedrin moments you have already had...I'm gonna agree with 1701E and the others who recommend a mobo/cpu/case upgrade... :headscratch:
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Well I guess I can look at this whole process in a postive light and be happy with all that I have learned. Before I started looking at replacing the vc I knew my poor old puter was not going to last too much longer but I was hoping to stretch it another year at least. I dont think 4-5 years is too much to hope out of a computer but....
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The issue always start small and grows :lol
My motherboard is manufactured by ASUSTek Computer INC. NVIDIA GeForce 6150....
Welll sheeesh. It sounds like I need a new mobo, cpu and case since the current hp tower is tiny. I wonder if I can talk the evga guys into taking the card back and downgrading it to one that better fits my system :rolleyes:
Thanks for the help. :salute
No need to return it, running a lower card at it's peak is no different then bottle-necking a better card, when the CPU is the limit, it's the limit.
The cheapest route I can think is: 30$ case, 60$ Motherboard (AM2+/AM3) and a 120$ CPU, there are cheaper but this uses the newest parts out and would keep you going for another few years, and would help greatly. Or, if the case supports normal Micro-ATX and not "HP Micro-ATX", then you can keep that one.
4-5 years out of a computer is pushing it from what I have found, our old HP lasted 6 and it started dieing slowly after 5, HDD ended up dieing, and parts wore out, nothing lasts forever. :)
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I have 5 on my P-4 system...upgraded the video card...faster RAM...bigger secondary drive...new DVD player...over a 5 year spand and it's still running strong...just can't play AH with decent settings.
What's amazing is I can play almost anything except Crysis on it and it performs as good as my dual core gaming system...IL2, CoD2-4-5, Total War (Rome, Medieval 2), Civilization 3-4...does pretty much anything I want it to.
I always plan on a full replacement every 4 to 5 years...if it lasts that long. I know a lot of gamers that only run a system 2 years before replacement. If it's been 5 years for that system and it's a retail corporate build...bite the bullet and put a new system together...prices are great right now and you can build a better system than you can buy (except custom builds) dollar for dollar.
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jappa52 if you do buy a new computer post it here or just start a new post asking these fellas to help out with what everyone thinks for a new build.
as far as that new video card if you go with a diffrent one i would be willing to buy the one you have off of you