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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Rich46yo on November 12, 2009, 09:05:51 PM
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Ive been upping this aircraft a lot lately. Pretty much all my Yak time had been in -9Us.
I'm leaning towards the T for base defense. It has tank busting ability and is very agile kept around 200 mph or better against fighters. No I wouldn't call it a "great fighter" but its not helpless. it is, after all, still a Yak.
While its front heavy it feel pretty decent when trimmed up a bit. I dont have to much a problem keeping its nose up. It climbs decent, dives decent 'tho you will pop a flap if you come down to fast". It turns on a dime at its best turning speed and rolls well. Of course the NS-37 cannon is its main selling point. And its murder against M3s, 251s, jeeps, Panzers, and most of all PTs and LVTs. I have no problem attacking tanks in it but the T-34s I will leave to my own tankers. They are just to tough. The single MG is fine for spritzing troops.
The main trick to it is keeping the proper speed on your GV attack run. I like to shoot point blank and if your to slow your going to lose control and auger. To fast and your not going to recover. Shooting GVs in a fighter like that, point blank, is harder then with an IL-2. Your shooting less round with less hitting power and its takes discipline to break off for another run at it. Ive ended up bug splat thru greed.
The -9T is an awsome perk collector. All in all it reminds me of handymans tool you use all over the house. This is a great tool & airplane. Your thoughts?
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100chewi knows bit about the YAK........thats for sure!
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It is one of the best base de-ackers you will find 1 round per auto ack & you only have to get that 37MM close to pop it.
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It's a mediocre plane with an interesting gun.
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It is one of the best base de-ackers you will find 1 round per auto ack & you only have to get that 37MM close to pop it.
All true,
though I find the 47n superior in AAA plinking from 3km with rockets. I have little to no issue hitting 5 autos in 1 pass if the geometry works out.
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It's a mediocre plane with an interesting gun.
Its a 30 eny airplane. At 3k, with full gas, I got one up to 340 mph. One shot from the cannon will down any fighter. Its murder on bombers.
I wouldnt call it "mediocre". When used to its strengths its very useful. I consider it a defense only fighter. Once you run out of cannon rounds your pretty much helpless. Im not aware of any other fighter that can cleanly take a tank out with guns alone.
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I wouldnt call it "mediocre".
I would.
It's called an opinion. You asked for one (thoughts?) . I gave it.
Unless this is 'rich defends the -9T against the world' thread. In which case carry on.
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Ive been upping this aircraft a lot lately. Pretty much all my Yak time had been in -9Us.
I'm leaning towards the T for base defense. It has tank busting ability and is very agile kept around 200 mph or better against fighters. No I wouldn't call it a "great fighter" but its not helpless. it is, after all, still a Yak.
While its front heavy it feel pretty decent when trimmed up a bit. I dont have to much a problem keeping its nose up. It climbs decent, dives decent 'tho you will pop a flap if you come down to fast". It turns on a dime at its best turning speed and rolls well. Of course the NS-37 cannon is its main selling point. And its murder against M3s, 251s, jeeps, Panzers, and most of all PTs and LVTs. I have no problem attacking tanks in it but the T-34s I will leave to my own tankers. They are just to tough. The single MG is fine for spritzing troops.
The main trick to it is keeping the proper speed on your GV attack run. I like to shoot point blank and if your to slow your going to lose control and auger. To fast and your not going to recover. Shooting GVs in a fighter like that, point blank, is harder then with an IL-2. Your shooting less round with less hitting power and its takes discipline to break off for another run at it. Ive ended up bug splat thru greed.
The -9T is an awsome perk collector. All in all it reminds me of handymans tool you use all over the house. This is a great tool & airplane. Your thoughts?
there's quite a few aircraft in here that're under rated. i think you're one of the rare ones that actually tries something different.
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Under-rated? Not sure but I definitely don't consider it to be one of the better fighters in the game.
ack-ack
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Its a 30 eny airplane. At 3k, with full gas, I got one up to 340 mph. One shot from the cannon will down any fighter. Its murder on bombers.
I wouldnt call it "mediocre". When used to its strengths its very useful. I consider it a defense only fighter. Once you run out of cannon rounds your pretty much helpless. Im not aware of any other fighter that can cleanly take a tank out with guns alone.
340mph at 3k is not fast, compared to LW planeset.
"One shot from the cannon" is easier said than done, with poor ballistics and a front heavy loadout. And with only 40 opportunities to get that One Shot, I'd honestly rather take my chances with a lesser calibre on even the 9U or any other plane for that matter.
If you are not aware of another fighter for tank busting, consider the Hurri2D. It has two 40mm compared to the Yak-9T's one 37mm. Both planes have HE rounds.
Yak-9T is the definition of mediocre. Any other opinion, and you need either a refresher on the AH planeset or on contemporary lexicon.
I wouldnt call it "mediocre". When used to its strengths its very useful.
Yes, you can use any plane to its strengths. That does not make it better than mediocre.
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340mph at 3k is not fast, compared to LW planeset.
"One shot from the cannon" is easier said than done, with poor ballistics and a front heavy loadout. And with only 40 opportunities to get that One Shot, I'd honestly rather take my chances with a lesser calibre on even the 9U or any other plane for that matter.
If you are not aware of another fighter for tank busting, consider the Hurri2D. It has two 40mm compared to the Yak-9T's one 37mm. Both planes have HE rounds.
Yak-9T is the definition of mediocre. Any other opinion, and you need either a refresher on the AH planeset or on contemporary lexicon.
Yes, you can use any plane to its strengths. That does not make it better than mediocre.
Hurricane D has AP rounds, not HE (as the Yak indeed does)
And you are wrong on the "poor ballistics" of the Yak's 37mm gun: It's actually having the best ballistics of all guns in the AH planeset.
But other than that, the Yak-T is indeed a mediocre plane. Not particularly fast, not particularly maneuverable, not a very good turner, average acceleration and climb rate. Big gun with good ballistics but puny ammo loadout.
If the Yak-T ain't mediocre, please name one that is ;)
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I know a lot about how to get killed by a Yak. :furious
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Don't get me wrong, I love the yaks, both of them.
But you'd never catch me rolling a 9t for base defense.
Bomber intercept if I have time to get to alt yes.
Yes the gun is very good if you teach yourself to snipe with it.
Single aimed shots can be very effective.
But to knowingly put myself at an E disadvantage starting the fight in the 9t, nope.
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Your thoughts?
I have a lot of fun in the 9T. Part of the reason for the "mediocre" comments, I suspect, is that it's being compared to late war planes. If you compare it to mid-war planes it does fine. I'd just as soon have the 9T as a P-47D11 or D25, a Hellcat, a P-40E, a Tony or a 205.
Unlike these planes (excepting the Tony), the 9T takes some practice. It turns much better to the right, for example, while all the others turn better to the left. You have to be really cautious about dropping the flaps, and conserving energy requires more attention than some of the others.
The tater is a kick, though. It's nice not having to worry about chipping bits and pieces off the other guy's plane (as you do, for instance, in the 202).
- oldman
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I had the pleasure of fighting Gixer in his 9T ( me in my 38J ) a couple of days ago. While i was impressed that i actually lasted (about) 10mins, the outcome was enevitable, i died a horrible flaming cartoon death.
In the hands of the right person. the 9T is a beast. Gixer is the right person let me tell you!!
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In the hands of the right person. the 9T is a beast.
May the flame be on me, but I don't agree. Of course a good pilot can have good success even in "sub-par" planes (and yes, I speak about LW arnea only), but you can't make a beast out of a mule, metaphorically speaking.
When judging and comparing planes, you have to seperate player & plane.
The performance of the Yak is mediocre (yes, still LW ;)), which doesn't mean you can't give lesser capable pilots in "better" planes a kicking. :)
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I wouldn't say the 9T is a dog, but it's at best a niche plane. I know there are a handfull of pilots who fly it well and have good success with it, but for the average AH pilot it's only going to get them "killed" in short order. A few years ago I flew the 9T quite a bit for a few months straight, and it took a few months to really get the hang of the plane and learn how the 37mm shoots. As was stated earlier, it's a sniper, not a spray and pray, but once you figure it out and if your patient enough you can cause some serious damage at some pretty incredible ranges. First time I was accused of "cheating" I was in a 9T. Had someone in an ME-262 try to bounce me after I had shot down a flight of JU-88's. Got a check 6 from a squadie, saw the 262 coming in and was able to dodge the attack. As he passed by me I started to get the nose on him and at 1K I loosed my last 3 rounds out in front of him as he turned. He was at 1.5K when I saw the hit sprite and the right wing come off the plane. Dove for the deck and ran for home. Landed 4 kills, 3 JU-88's and a 262. Good times.
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May the flame be on me, but I don't agree. Of course a good pilot can have good success even in "sub-par" planes (and yes, I speak about LW arnea only), but you can't make a beast out of a mule, metaphorically speaking.
When judging and comparing planes, you have to seperate player & plane.
The performance of the Yak is mediocre (yes, still LW ;)), which doesn't mean you can't give lesser capable pilots in "better" planes a kicking. :)
No flame at all, maybe i could have worded that better. Technically speaking the YaK9T is not as good as many of the planes. I think i should have emphasised the pilot more. :salute
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But you'd never catch me rolling a 9t for base defense.
Reasons for?
1, Its 30 eny. Why reward the vulch crowd with upping 5 eny planes for a bunch of 5 on 1 skilless dweebs, with their 6 cannoned run-90s, to swoop down at 450 mph and pick you off the runway.
2, It has a very, very big gun. The kind of gun that makes things go "BOOM"! when you hit them once.
3, It a good GV killer. Most of all the armored plated M3s and 251s we have in the game. Oh and I forgot to mention those pesky M8s.
4, Views. It has Yak views. And it has average performance that often is just good enough.
5, Its a great over-shoot plane. Loses E most effeciently and is a small, tough target.
6, In defenses against Hordes there isnt going to be any time for prolonged dogfighting because your going to get picked, probably on the first climb. This is the kind of defense Im talking about. Not the "one or two dots at the edge of dar coming in". Im talking the "horde on top of you" kind of defense. The kind many dont bother playing cause its murder on their scores.
Its not a panacea by no means, and I never said it was. But its a good tool when used at the right time. And if somebody in a , more then a few planes, try to stall fight it they might end up with a problem.
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I am not convinced with the 37mm efficiency on bombers, how many times do you see a lancaster walk with 5+ 37mm hits ? Too much IMO. Also please send a film of a panzer dieing from Yak9t hits.
Also I have yet to find an attribute on the Yak9t that makes it survivable against other fighters, mid war 109's eat it alive for exemple, on all specs except HO :airplane:
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Its not a panacea by no means, and I never said it was. But its a good tool when used at the right time. And if somebody in a , more then a few planes, try to stall fight it they might end up with a problem.
No offense but it's obvious you really don't have that much experience in the 9T, if you try and stall fight in a 9T, it's you that is going to have some serious problems. As Lusche said, it's a mediocre plane at best. I'll be more than willing to show you first hand if you like.
ack-ack
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I am not convinced with the 37mm efficiency on bombers, how many times do you see a lancaster walk with 5+ 37mm hits ? Too much IMO. Also please send a film of a panzer dieing from Yak9t hits.
Also I have yet to find an attribute on the Yak9t that makes it survivable against other fighters, mid war 109's eat it alive for exemple, on all specs except HO :airplane:
So far this tour Ive killed 8 Panzers with the single NS-37 of the Yak-9T. Since the single MG wont even dent them, and there are no ords available for the Yak, its pretty easy to assume the 9T can kill them. And fairly easily. So will the Hurri-D.
Next time I kill one I'll film it. I thought the efficiency of the NS-37 was so well accepted against armor that I never bothered filming it.
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I am not convinced with the 37mm efficiency on bombers, how many times do you see a lancaster walk with 5+ 37mm hits ? Too much IMO. Also please send a film of a panzer dieing from Yak9t hits.
Also I have yet to find an attribute on the Yak9t that makes it survivable against other fighters, mid war 109's eat it alive for exemple, on all specs except HO :airplane:
should have somewhere a film triple lanc kill at 1.2 with 5 shells :)
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I like the -9T.
In an on the deck furball Its a great plane to use.
Its major strength is the tater. I enjoy very much that I can cut almost any plane in half with 1 shell.
I prefer the -39D for pure fun with the tater. Once the spud gun is gone with the yak Its almost impossible to fight with it.
It can be done but I dont have the patience to shoot down a plane with 1 fifty cal.
Its a very average plane but the spud gun makes it one of the most fun planes to use.
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Getting kill credit for tanks is a different thing from actually killing them, FYI.
M3s are not armored, and SdKfs are very lightly armored, and can be strafed down with MGs as easily as 20mms as easily as 37mms.
You hype its anti-tank capabilities beyond the facts.
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I saw the little Panzer heads blow off. FYI. The 9T is fully able to take out Panzers and Shermans. I mean kill them, not just get the credit.
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I saw the little Panzer heads blow off. FYI. The 9T is fully able to take out Panzers and Shermans. I mean kill them, not just get the credit.
I'd like to see film on a sherman kill if possible.
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Also please send a film of a panzer dieing from Yak9t hits.
This debate has been had before in another thread from what I recall several films were posted of 9T's killing Panzer's. I don't have film but I have done this several times my self. Plus been on the receiving end of a 9T while in a Panzer & died.
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Getting kill credit for tanks is a different thing from actually killing them, FYI.
M3s are not armored, and SdKfs are very lightly armored, and can be strafed down with MGs as easily as 20mms as easily as 37mms.
You hype its anti-tank capabilities beyond the facts.
I've 1-shot killed a Whirble... once. Only round I had left. I bet I was more surprised than he was.
My shooting ability takes all 30 rounds to kill a panzer. Like all tank-busting, hit the right spot once and they'll go boom.
And, the OP asks "Is the Yak9-T underrated?" Mediocre or not....
wrongway
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being as how 'underrated' is subjective to each persons own personal prejudices, there is no 'right' answer.
But there seems to be something of a consensus here...
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being as how 'underrated' is subjective to each persons own personal prejudices, there is no 'right' answer.
But there seems to be something of a consensus here...
yeah, that it's a mediocre fighter at best.
ack-ack
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yeah, that it's a mediocre fighter at best.
That's not the consensus, you pseudo-bomber dude, you.
It really is one of those planes you have to fly quite a lot before you get the hang of it. I know that I thought it was a dog for the first couple of years I flew it. But now I'll stick by my previous post.
- oldman
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That's not the consensus, you pseudo-bomber dude, you.
It really is one of those planes you have to fly quite a lot before you get the hang of it. I know that I thought it was a dog for the first couple of years I flew it. But now I'll stick by my previous post.
- oldman
Now, If the -9t isn't mediocre... which ones are?
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Now, If the -9t isn't mediocre... which ones are?
P-40B leads the mangy yellow dog pack, of course. FW190A8 would be my second choice (and the F8, if we're counting that sort of odd contraption). Me-110C, except when confined to early war setups. P-39D. Otherwise I think all of the planes have a chance to do well, once their tricks have been mastered.
- oldman
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P-40B leads the mangy yellow dog pack, of course. FW190A8 would be my second choice (and the F8, if we're counting that sort of odd contraption). Me-110C, except when confined to early war setups. P-39D. Otherwise I think all of the planes have a chance to do well, once their tricks have been mastered.
- oldman
Sounds like you are confusing "mediocre" and "sucks eggs."
:)
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I could lead this further now - If the P40B is a "mediocre fighter" what one would be a "sub-par" or "bad" or "inferior"? I'm afraid there are not much fighters left. Actually none.
Mediocre just means that: It's in the middle of the field. Not particular bad, not particular good. Another word for this would be average.
And this has to be seen in direct comparison with it's competitors. It's right, you can have success with a lot of planes (actually all of them) but that doesn't make them necessarily "good" -in comparison
And yes, in my opinion the P40B is an absolutely inferior fighter plane in LW terms. It's not "in the middle of the field" in any way.
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The P 40B is mediocre? :lol
Then what is below average? A ballon and a pistol? :old:
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Getting kill credit for tanks is a different thing from actually killing them, FYI.
M3s are not armored, and SdKfs are very lightly armored, and can be strafed down with MGs as easily as 20mms as easily as 37mms.
You hype its anti-tank capabilities beyond the facts.
Dug up an old thread. I think the films are still there. May have to scroll down a bit to my post.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,222894.30.html
Not the most effective tank killer, but possible.
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I would call the 9T a little above mediocre. It posts about the same K/D as some of the most popular 109s, around .98 give or take. I dont really think the better sticks fly it much, as compared to the 109s. I believe a lot of the newer sticks see the big gun and take it up for that, and just for that.
But it has a narrow scope of use, "as did many aircraft in the tactical minded SAF". Your not going to take the 9T up furballing, or take it cross country full of gas. It doesnt have the range, even more so, doesnt have the ammo load. It is strictly a tactical aircraft that can hold its own against other fighters as long as you arent ganed so much. It has Mossie speed. IL2 firepower "almost". It will out turn many of the jabos in the game. It is a surprisingly good stall fighter as long as you use trim correctly. It can take out a couple of the tanks at need. Its deadly against PT boats and all the other GVs.
Most furballers wont ever like it cause they mostly "furball". Or they mostly simply dog fight other fighters. I think most of them would be better served with the 20 to 30 eny German set. As a dogfighter "mediocre", or, "average" would probably fit.
But the game is more then just a furballers game. look at the airplane in that light to see its strengths. :salute
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Yak9T is a good mix of pleasure and challenge. The cannon has three elements I like: a) rate of fire is good, a short burst will get two or three rounds out b) it is a fast round, gets out to the target quickly and c) has a nice flat trajectory -good for aiming. Last five tours I have 81 kills and 21 deaths in the Yak9T. Overall I find the Yak one of the better rides in MW.
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I am not convinced with the 37mm efficiency on bombers, how many times do you see a lancaster walk with 5+ 37mm hits ? Too much IMO. Also please send a film of a panzer dieing from Yak9t hits.
Also I have yet to find an attribute on the Yak9t that makes it survivable against other fighters, mid war 109's eat it alive for exemple, on all specs except HO :airplane:
An average "all arounder" plane:
Panzers cannot survive more than 5 solid shvak 37mm hits in the back side. Problem with bombers is that u have to hit them from far away if you want to stay on their 6, or get confident with the deflection shot.
9T big cookie keep its effectiveness up to 1.5k icon's ID (I shot a runnin C-hog showing 1.5k once).
Can take a while to bring the yakT up to 10 / 14 k to dogfight in it, but it's worth the effort once u learn the big cookie's ballistic. Moreover, probably because of the dated model, Yaks have good armor for the plane not so much for the pilot ( less armored on the tail ) . I recall many times flying home leaking oil, fuel, coolant and blood, missing some control surfaces.
Perhaps my favourite plane.
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Just out of curiosity, what was the Yak 9Ts primary roll in the war?
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it was a day fighter... not a ground attack
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Just out of curiosity, what was the Yak 9Ts primary roll in the war?
If I remember right it primarily a fighter that fought other fighters. The Soviets have a long history of putting large cannon on their fighter planes. Their high velocity 37mms and 23mms were eventually case shortened for their fighters, later in the war, and while they had less velocity they will still very efficient airplane killers. Eventually the NR-23 and NS-23 replaced the 20mm cannon on all their fighters. The N-37 replaced the NS-37 found on the 9T. There was a Yak-9 version that was armed with the NS-23 cannon and 2 B-20S cannon.
On the other hand the entire Soviet AF was tactical minded and wouldn't hesitate to attack GVs. There were versions of Yaks with bomb bays that could attack with the devastating PTAB bomblets.
So overall the Yak-9 was a pretty efficient ground attack aircraft. I'm wondering if our Yak-9 uses the HE warhead or the AP. My guess is the HE.
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Heres video of the 9T cleanly taking a Panzer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-wTA2kusUw
I like to aim a little above the muffler in the rear of the tank. Theres some spots of 20mm, or thinner, armor in this location and I can attack the tank a little more level to hit more flush, with less angle. This tank was sitting on the runway causing all kinds of trouble. I also attack a T-34 causeing some damage.
So while not a pure tank buster she will do in a pinch.
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"Just out of curiosity, what was the Yak 9Ts primary roll in the war?"
Ground-attack fighter.
:cool:
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"Just out of curiosity, what was the Yak 9Ts primary roll in the war?"
Ground-attack fighter.
:cool:
I'll bite.
No, it was an interceptor.
wrongway
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AKAK is correct, as a fighter vs fighter in the LW the Yak-9T is mediocre at best, over 10k alt it's very mediocre.
As for killing GV's that's never been my interest I simply can't see the reason for wasting good ammo on a tank and there are plenty of better aircraft for gv killing if that's your thing. I rarely even bother with buffs.
What I can comment on is the planes performance/abilities vs cons in the LW most of which are the usual late war uber rides.
Basically the Yak-9T unlike the Yak-9U which usually has parity or some performance advantage over any other ride which makes it quite deadly. The Yak-9T has little or no performance advantage. Cons are either faster with much higher performance and climb rates and those that are equal speed or slower turn harder and maintain E much better.
Also someone mentioned fuel range, that's true it is very short by the time you reach 10k if you were to bother you'd already used up 1/4 or a tank at full power, hence most flights only climb to the 7k range. To extend the range you can reduce MAP to 31" but then your traveling a little over 250mph and acceleration to 300mph is slow unless you want to sacrifice alt.
Having said all this, I think the Yak-9T is fantastic and the most enjoyable (for me) ride of the entire planeset probably why I've stuck with it as sole ride for couple years now.
It sucks at base defence or large furballs, simply because the uber rides with hispanos are going to get all the kills much faster then you. Unless your having a very good day with gunnery and able to nail a few first pass. Often though you need time to saddle up and look for snap shots in Scissors. Plus furballs over or around bases friendly or enemy aren't my cup of tea anyway.
Basically the Yak makes for a great lone wolf interceptor style of play which I enjoy.. And to sucker people in for extremely close up ACM and snap shots. Yak-9T is good at this for the obvious reason, the massive 37mm single shot KO on almost anything. Though the 37mm can be the most frustrating and difficult thing to hit another fighter with. But at times when you have the timing right and can nail most shots it is extremely rewarding to get right.
I've never seen the Yak-9T as a long range sniper, simply that wastes ammo and I think a lot of the stories on this BBS about kills at 1.5k on an extending Pony are pure BS. Simply because if you load a target in TA and fire a round the group at over 1000 isn't very tight compared to the size of an aircraft at this range, so to hit at 1k or over you either have to be extremely lucky or empty half the ammo load which isn't smart with only 32rnds to start with.
Anyway I could yap on for a while in the Yak-9Ts fun against other fighters, and really that's why I fly the plane, because it's the most fun and challenging for me and that it gives others something different and interesting to come up against then the usual lineup of LW uber rides.
If anyone wishes to discuss the Yak, please message me as I don't frequent the BBS much anymore.
MBailey thank you sir, and for your comments. Always a pleasure and that fight was one of the best, great fun! :salute
<S>...-Gixer
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Hurricane D has AP rounds, not HE (as the Yak indeed does)
And you are wrong on the "poor ballistics" of the Yak's 37mm gun: It's actually having the best ballistics of all guns in the AH planeset.
But other than that, the Yak-T is indeed a mediocre plane. Not particularly fast, not particularly maneuverable, not a very good turner, average acceleration and climb rate. Big gun with good ballistics but puny ammo loadout.
If the Yak-T ain't mediocre, please name one that is ;)
Um... are you sure on the 40mm being AP rounds? I was under the impression that the 40mm came from a naval gun using HE ammo. The damage the 40mm does to an OBJ is very near the damage done by a 37mm HE. Just making sure...
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Um... are you sure on the 40mm being AP rounds?
Yes. And that's why the Hurri D can kill every tank, but has sometimes trouble at killing M3's ;)
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Hurr2D is actually utter crap for kiling tanks... I've landed well over a dozen direct hits to the upper deck and turret (near vertical dive runs) of a panzer with no effect before. More often than not I land with no kills and no ammo left. Any kills I get are usually the result of stealing them from GVs that do the real damage.
Hardly realistic, IMO, the way the hurr2d sucks for any kind of GV attack.
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Hurr2D is actually utter crap for kiling tanks... I've landed well over a dozen direct hits to the upper deck and turret (near vertical dive runs) of a panzer with no effect before. More often than not I land with no kills and no ammo left. Any kills I get are usually the result of stealing them from GVs that do the real damage.
Hardly realistic, IMO, the way the hurr2d sucks for any kind of GV attack.
The Hurri D was my main tank killer before the Wirbelwind and The 37mm Il2 was introduced, because at that time it was the only tank buster that could stop Tigers without ords (The 23mm Il2 was much weaker). And now that the WW's turret speed has been adjusted, it's getting to that position again.
Panzer's are particularly easy to kill. A few hours ago a Tiger went boom. Only T34/76s are really difficult to stop. The paper turret of the T34/85 is no problem at all.
More often than not I land with no kills and no ammo left.
So did I when I took up the Hurri for the first few times. As with many things in AH, one needs some practice in it. Then you start to score kills consistently & regularly, without having to rely on something like "luck" Of course the Il2 with 37mm is still superior for many reasons, mostly ammunition supply and ROF.
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Hurr2D is actually utter crap for killing tanks... I've landed well over a dozen direct hits to the upper deck and turret (near vertical dive runs) of a panzer with no effect before. More often than not I land with no kills and no ammo left. Any kills I get are usually the result of stealing them from GVs that do the real damage.
Hardly realistic, IMO, the way the hurr2d sucks for any kind of GV attack.
Ive killed Panzers with 2 shots from the Hurri-D, "as in tank exploding". Normally it takes 4 to 6 hits. About 50% of the time I kill Panzers in one pass and the other 50% in 2 passes. Panzers are so easy to kill with the Hurri-D its almost laughable. You dont even really have to climb and attack the top armor. As attacks in the rear of the panzer will normally put them on ice.
Im not as good as lusche in the "D", who probably kills all his Panzers in one pass. But I'm getting better in it. I'm even cleanly killing T-34s in it, but, my IL-2 experience is helpful as Ive learned the weak spots in all the tanks. I cleanly killed that T-34 on the runway of the high LWO Nit base last night with a Hurri-D.
The Hurri-D will cleanly kill any tank in the game. It is a lethal little bird.
Thing is its a snipers weapon. You just cant spray with it. Your goal should be one or two well placed volleys from 100 to 300 out, right into the tanks weak top/rear armor in an angle that makes the hit as flush as possible.
Now? I take the Hurri-D up when there are a lot of enemy fighters around, or, a lot more enemy then friendly. One thing about the Hurri-D is that its still a Hurri which means its very survivable cause it turns so well, climbs OK, dives well, has good views. Its a great tank killer to avoid the runstang and run-90 pick & run crowd. Its only weak link really is its top speed.
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See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo_-pAGN-90
Didnt come out to well but you can see 2 volleys, made up of 4 shells, that cleanly took this panzer.
And they werent even well placed shots either. A few I put thru the skirt, and only one looked placed decent. I just dont bother setting up for Panzers like I would with tougher tanks.
Honestly Krusty Im surprised you had trouble with the "D" when killing Panzers.
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Now, If the -9t isn't mediocre... which ones are?
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There are no mediocre planes, only mediocre pilots. The real issue is how well a good pilot can compensate for the shortcomings in his chosen ride when faced with an average pilot in a superior plane. In my view the major equalizers are toughness and killing power. While the yak is hard to hit it's also very hard to hit with. The lack of ability to consistently convert those chances you create makes it a much less deadly (IMO) choice then the D11 or other mid war ride. I'd put the 190A5, Ki-61 and D11 far ahead of the yak for perk farming...to me the 205 is to good to be on this list but if you stretch a bit then the 109F4, C205 and Brewster and FM-2 come to mind. I'd rather furball a 39D then a yakT any time...just one persons thoughts.