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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: MAX-107 on November 13, 2009, 08:07:09 PM
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HTC do you think we could have some Italian bombers in AH2?
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Piaggio P108 :aok
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Would like to see the Br.20.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Fiat_Br.20.jpg)
ack-ack
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Piaggio P108 :aok
2nd
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Would like to see the Br.20.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Fiat_Br.20.jpg)
ack-ack
That is a Butt ugly plane. I love it. :rock
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That is a Butt ugly plane. I love it. :rock
Looks don't kill my friend, but the uglier the better :rock
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SM.79 would be way cool I think. Very different looking with 3 engines, and an important Italian bomber in WWII.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/277B1C964FDD4537B40FB1E791789EA0.jpg)
This topic should probably be in Wishlist or Aircraft forums tho...
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SM.79 would be way cool I think. Very different looking with 3 engines, and an important Italian bomber in WWII.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/277B1C964FDD4537B40FB1E791789EA0.jpg)
This topic should probably be in Wishlist or Aircraft forums tho...
Looks like a B-25 with a big zit on it's forehead! :rofl
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Savoia-Marchetti made some really smart aircraft. Would be an interesting addition to earlier/mid war MTO scenarios.
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SM.79 would be way cool I think. Very different looking with 3 engines, and an important Italian bomber in WWII.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/277B1C964FDD4537B40FB1E791789EA0.jpg)
This topic should probably be in Wishlist or Aircraft forums tho...
That is one UGLY plane :)
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Looks like a B-25 with a big zit on it's forehead! :rofl
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It looks nothing like a B-25 beyond the fact that both have an engine on each wing.
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Italy made some of the sexiest planes of the war (no matter how effective they were :P)
From the Macchi C 202
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/Mc_202_folgore.sized.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/C.202_fighter_taking_off.jpg)
To the Fiat G.55
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Fiat_G55.jpg)
To the Sovoia-Marchetti SM.79
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/SM79_193.jpg)
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Only problem the Italians had was that they made their airplanes like they made their cars, one peice at a time. Probably with mass production, the Facist Italians would have made an effect on the war.
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It would be cool to have our first 3 engine bomber!
999000 <S>
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Me and Bosco have been pushing this for a long time. i really hope HTC will consider it.
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Italian plane set is by far the sh[weakest]est set in the whole game. It's cr[weaker]yer than the Japanese or Russian sets.
I'd sure like to see the SM75 or the P.108. It give the axis another bomber as there is only what 3?
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Any more ideas for Italian bombers.
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Please don't give 999000 any more dangerous toys! :uhoh
Seriously though it would be great to see some spaghetti iron droppers. :aok
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I would LOVE to have that 3 engine on, man that would be cool.
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Only America and Great Britain seemed to grasp the fact that four engine bombers could wear down the enemy and hamper their war-making efforts.The Axis powers were all guilty of light bomber mentality.The Italians really had no business in the war,and they fought accordingly.An Italian bomber would be limited to scenarios,right along with the Bettys,Heinkel 111s,etc.I would sooner see a Me 410,as it was a far better performer.
ID
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Only America and Great Britain seemed to grasp the fact that four engine bombers could wear down the enemy and hamper their war-making efforts.The Axis powers were all guilty of light bomber mentality.The Italians really had no business in the war,and they fought accordingly.An Italian bomber would be limited to scenarios,right along with the Bettys,Heinkel 111s,etc.I would sooner see a Me 410,as it was a far better performer.
ID
So was the Soviet Union and we see what happened there :)
The Italians really had no business in the war,and they fought accordingly.
Italy fought offensively. They invaded several African countries.
An Italian bomber would be limited to scenarios,right along with the Bettys,Heinkel 111s,etc.
The SM.79 could potentially be a successful MA bomber. Half decent speed, good range, little over 2,000 lbs ordnance (a little more than the Ki 67), and a .50 cal tail gun, 3 engines, forward firing 20mm. Would be at least as popular as the Ju 88.
I would sooner see a Me 410,as it was a far better performer.
It was also a fighter :)
I would fly the SM.79, if for no other reason than it's cool :cool:
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(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/fiat_g55/Fiat_G55_1Sqn_1.png)
The G.55 was supposed to replace all 109 variants, and was slated for manufacture in Germany, in 1943. It actually out flew all aircraft it was fought against that the Germans brought to trial. The DB 603 engine that went into the Ta-152 was slated to be fitted, and actually was on 3 variants. (G.56)
The Germans also brought with them several aircraft including a Fw 190 A-5 and a Bf 109 G-4 for direct comparison tests in simulated dogfights.
The tests began 20 February 1943. The German commission was very impressed by the Italian aircraft, the G.55 in particular. In general, all the Serie 5 fighters were very good at low altitudes, but the G.55 was also competitive with its German opponents in term of speed and climb rate at high altitudes still maintaining superior handling characteristics. The definitive evaluation by the German commission was "excellent" for the G.55, "good" for the Re.2005 and "average" for the C.205. Oberst Petersen defined the G.55 "the best fighter in the Axis" and immediately telegraphed his impressions to Goering. After listening the recommendations of Petersen, Milch and Galland, a meeting held by Goering on 22 February 1943 voted to produce the G.55 in Germany.
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Fiat G.55 Centauro
Powerplant 1,457 hp Daimler-Benz DB605H V12 Liquid cooled engine
Max Speed 391 mph
Service Cieling 41,700 ft
Armament 3 Mauser 20mm cannons 2 .50 cal machine guns, 1 2,046lb torpedo or 2 160 kg bombs
Reggiane Re.2001/5
Powerplant same as G.55
Max Speed 390 mph
Service Ceiling 39,400 ft
Armament 3 20mm 1 nose 2 wing and 2 .50 cal . up to 630kg of bombs
Piaggio P.108
Powerplant 4 18 clylinder P. XII 1350 hp engines
Max Speed 420 kmph
Sevice Ceiling 4,300 meter at 420 kmph
Armament 7 500 kg or 250 kg bombs 50.cal in the nose same in ventral 2 7.7mm in ventrals + more that i dont know of
Cant Z.1007
Powerplant 3 1000 hp P.XI radial engines
Max Speed 285 mph
Service Ceiling 25,00 ft
Armament 1,200kg bombs internal and 1,000 external or 2 450 mm 800kg torpedos 3 .50cal. guns and 2 .303 cal. machine guns
Fiat Br.20
Powerplant 2 Fiat A. 80 18 cylinder radial engines
Max Speed 273 mph
Service Ceiling 26,250 ft
Armamet 1,600 kg of bombs and 3 .50 cal. machine gun
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(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/fiat_g55/Fiat_G55_1Sqn_1.png)
The G.55 was supposed to replace all 109 variants, and was slated for manufacture in Germany, in 1943. It actually out flew all aircraft it was fought against that the Germans brought to trial. The DB 603 engine that went into the Ta-152 was slated to be fitted, and actually was on 3 variants. (G.56)
An Italian Mustang/P-40? Cool...bring it on in puleeeez!!!
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We need the SM.79 for Special Events so the Axis can use more than 2 bombers.
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a well thought out excuse. along with info.
:aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
5 out of 5
I vote yes for this.
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JB76
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"We need the SM.79"
Yes indeed, it was the most common Italian bomber and torpedo-bomber (Aerosiluranti) of WW2, and a splendid target for RAF and FAA Hurricanes.
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SM.79
Prototype powered by radial engines.
SM.79-I
The first production four- or five-seat bomber version powered by three 582 kW (780 hp) Alfa Romeo 126 RC.34 nine-cylinder engines. Span 21.20 m (69.55 ft), length 15.80 m (51.84 ft), max speed 430 km/h (270 mph) at 4,000 m (13,130 ft), up to 1,250 kg (2,760 lb) of bombs, max takeoff weight 10,480 kg (23,100 lb), range 1,899 km (1,180 mi).
SM.79-II
Torpedo-bomber powered by three Piaggio P.XI engines.
SM.79-III
Improved extended range torpedo bomber introduced late 1942, it was not available in significant numbers until mid-1943. Known also as SM.79bis, SM.79GA, or SM.579. Powered by AR.128 engines of approximately 746 kW (1,000 hp) each, giving increased performance (speed increased to 475 km/h/295 mph, and climb to 5,000 m/16,400 ft in 16 minutes 7 sec). Ventral nacelle deleted. 1,000 L (260 US gal) fuel tank mounted in the bomb bay. The forward machine gun was retained, with its flash protection, probably as an anti-ship weapon.
SM.79B
Twin-engine export version powered by less reliable Fiat A.80 engines and with a glazed nose for improved bomb-aiming. More economical but slower (420 km/h/260 mph and 21.45 minutes to 5,000 m/16,400 ft) than the standard SM.79, but weighed 6,600/10,100 kg (14,551/22,267 lb, around 500 kg/1,100 lb less than the basic SM.79), was longer (16.22 m/53.22 ft), and had the same armament. Iraq bought five, but this version achieved little success in Italy.
SM.79C
VIP transport conversion, powered by Piaggio P.XI RC.40 engines, with the dorsal and ventral machine guns removed.
SM.79JR
Twin-engine version for Romania, powered by 895 kW (1,200 hp) Junkers Jumo 211Da engines. Eight Italian built aircraft (designated JIS.79B by Romania), followed by 36 licensed built JRS.79B powered by the Jumo 211Da and 36 JRS.79B1s with 1,029 kW (1,380 hp) Jumo 211F engines. Production continued until 1946.[15]
SM.79K
Version for Yugoslavia.
SM.79T
Long-range VIP transport version.
SM.79 Flying Bomb
Special SM.79 operative conversion into radio-controlled flying bomb for managed by CANT Z.1007 "Alcione" guding aircraft.(one example)
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Only America and Great Britain seemed to grasp the fact that four engine bombers could wear down the enemy and hamper their war-making efforts.The Axis powers were all guilty of light bomber mentality.The Italians really had no business in the war,and they fought accordingly.An Italian bomber would be limited to scenarios,right along with the Bettys,Heinkel 111s,etc.I would sooner see a Me 410,as it was a far better performer.
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P-108 granted few were made however it was on par with the B17. Now as far as AHII would be concerned it would make an excellent Axis heavy bomber & could hold it's own in the main arenas.
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P-108 granted few were made however it was on par with the B17. Now as far as AHII would be concerned it would make an excellent Axis heavy bomber & could hold it's own in the main arenas.
The only issue I have with this is that.....we don't need an Axis heavy bomber.
In the MA all planes can be used by all sides, so it doesn't matter, and in scenarios, well, there is no time when Axis heavies really played a big role.
I'd certainly not object to a P.108, He177A-5 or H8K2, but none of them really fill a need.
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The only issue I have with this is that.....we don't need an Axis heavy bomber.
In the MA all planes can be used by all sides, so it doesn't matter, and in scenarios, well, there is no time when Axis heavies really played a big role.
I'd certainly not object to a P.108, He177A-5 or H8K2, but none of them really fill a need.
All valid points :aok but it is a wish list for Italian bombers ;). Off topic for this thread but I for one would want the He111. It is the most iconic German bomber of WWII. IMHO.
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The SM.82 Marsupiale was Heavy bomber/transport
Manufacturer Savoia-Marchetti
First flight 1939
Introduced 1940
Retired After 1960
Primary users Regia Aeronautica
Luftwaffe
Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana
Aeronautica Militare
Produced 1939-1944
Number built about 720
SM.82 (Bomber)
With a bombardier's gondola and bomb racks. 68 aircraft were ordered, and others were modified to this standard, at least partially.
SM.82 Carro armato
Four aircraft were modified to carry the L3/35 light tank.
SM.82 Trasporto caccia
With modified ventral doors to accommodate a disassembled FIAT CR.32, then adapted for a FIAT CR.42. Only two aircraft (MM.60293 and MM.60294) were so ordered, and when used to deliver the aircraft to East Africa (a total of 51 aircraft) were fitted with two auxiliary fuel tanks (1,300 L/340 US gal each), and one additional oil tank (200 L/50 US gal).
SM.82 Trasporto motori
Two aircraft used to transport aircraft engines (MM.60290 and MM.60292) to Africa.
SM.82P
21 aircraft of the VIII series, modified for the use of paratroops.
SM.82 tanker
Two aircraft to transport up to 3,000 L (790 US gal) of fuel. Weight: 11,300-18,700 kg (24,910-41,230 lb).
SM.82bis
80 aircraft of series VIII, for night bombing, with 887 kW (1,190 hp) Piaggio P.IX engines. They were also fitted with the AR.128 engine, some in the S.82P and the S.82T versions.
SM.82 LATI
For international airlines. With ten seats, automatic pilot, toilet, enhanced radios, two additional fuel tanks of 653 L (173 US gal) each increased the range to 4,800 km (2,983 mi) at 250 km/h (155 mph). Maximum weight: 19,000 kg (41,888 lb). Only a few were built.
SM.82LW
Version for the Luftwaffe, with turrets and radios. 231 were in service in early 1944 in the "Savoia Gruppen", and were widely used in long range or heavy bombing missions.
S.82PD
An SM.75 modified for distance records, with 333 km/h (207 mph) over 1,000 km (620 mi) and 1,000 kg (2,200 lb), and 12,937 km (8,039 mi) in 57 h 32 min on 30 July-1 August 1939.
S.82PW
20 S.82s modified postwar with Pratt & Whitney R-1830 engines. Weight 12,100/18,700 kg (26,680/41,230 lb), max speed 381 km/h (237 mph), ceiling 6,000 m (19,690 ft). They served until 3 August 1960, and MM.61187 is preserved in its silver postwar colour scheme, in the Italian Air Force Museum at Vigna di Valle.
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kinda off topic but how about some french bombers too. (http://i50.tinypic.com/2hf3pc6.jpg) Breguet 693 (http://i45.tinypic.com/2r5ueea.jpg) Amiot 143
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Would like to see the Br.20.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Fiat_Br.20.jpg)
ack-ack
I agree.
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kinda off topic but how about some french bombers too. (http://i50.tinypic.com/2hf3pc6.jpg) Breguet 693 (http://i45.tinypic.com/2r5ueea.jpg) Amiot 143
holy flying death trap Batman
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+1 for any of the 3 engine Italian planes! Cool! :aok
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Hey Karnak Some ppl only Axis Aircraft. JG11 only flies German and Italian planes. So give those of us who do something to fly around.
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Throwing jugs of wine out of an aircraft doesn't do alot of damage.................. The 143 carried 9000 pounds of wine. Yet that loadout only yields a 9 pound bomb. :D
kinda off topic but how about some french bombers too. (http://i50.tinypic.com/2hf3pc6.jpg) Breguet 693 (http://i45.tinypic.com/2r5ueea.jpg) Amiot 143
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Hey Karnak Some ppl only Axis Aircraft. JG11 only flies German and Italian planes. So give those of us who do something to fly around.
You don't need heavy bombers then, as historically the Germans, Italians and Japanese had no significant or effective heavy bomber forces. Either you fly German stuff because you like the historical deal, in which case you should want Do17s, He111s, Ju88s, Do217s and Ju188s as your bombers. If you are asking for a German, Japanese or Italian heavy bomber you may as well fly Lancasters or Flying Fortresses as you are already tossing history out the door.
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I don't care if you call them Heavy. I just want more German and Italian Bombers. Seeing that we only have 1 German level bomber in game and no Italian that seems like a reasonable request.
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The SM79 would be nice to have for early-war and mid-war events. :aok