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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Chalenge on November 14, 2009, 12:25:53 AM
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I wish CVs were not strafeable? I can understand strafing guys on the deck but that in no way kills the boat itself.
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not necesarily... a 30mm round will do some real damage to the more vulnerable parts of the deck
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Nothing important enough to matter to keeping the CV afloat.
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not necesarily... a 30mm round will do some real damage to the more vulnerable parts of the deck
Well, i think that even a round of 30 mm to sink a CV are a bit strange. Yes it can do some real damage to the CV, but not sink it.
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i sunk cv once by straffing with b26's. I had damaged the boat with eggs, but not enought to sink it. I think about a 3 second burst sunk it, I know I was surprised myself. but the funniest was yesterday with tanks (yes tanks) heavily damaged cv :rofl
semp
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Ships larger than destroyers should not be able to be damaged, other than their light AA positions, by aircraft guns smaller than 50mm. There are several instances in which destroyers were sunk by strafing, but no larger ship that I am aware of ever was even threatened by it.
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I was watching a program on the Canadian Navy using a ship for target practice. One of the choices was a F-18 hornet using the 20mm package for strafing. The strafing would be used to make a hole in the side to allow water in.
That is the only viable option to strafe a ship with guns.
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I was watching a program on the Canadian Navy using a ship for target practice.
What kind of ship?
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i sunk cv once by straffing with b26's. I had damaged the boat with eggs, but not enought to sink it. I think about a 3 second burst sunk it, I know I was surprised myself. but the funniest was yesterday with tanks (yes tanks) heavily damaged cv :rofl
semp
Well, tanks fire HE shells that can create large holes, similar to rockets. AP pierces the ship and can create shrapnel to damage fleshy things and destroy various systems. What really is funny is that the CV was close enough to be killed by tanks. :|
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I was watching a program on the Canadian Navy using a ship for target practice. One of the choices was a F-18 hornet using the 20mm package for strafing. The strafing would be used to make a hole in the side to allow water in.
That is the only viable option to strafe a ship with guns.
And, how long did the ship float before it sunk?
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It was a program that aired on the military channel. 3 ways were used I believe. Ship guns, cruise missile and 20mm strafing. The F-18 did make his strafing run and contributed to the sinking of the ship.
The ship was either a cruiser or destroyer that was obsolete.
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In order to sink ships you will have to penetrate armor that is intended to hold up against 15 cm shells fired from a range of 12-15 kilometers. It would seem very unlikely that even 75mm shells at closer range could do much to the hulls but certainly not 30mm or 20mm or especially 50 cal. Splashing the deck with shells wont do anything effective to sinking the ships.
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Maybe the 20mm killed the pump operators that were keeping the ship afloat. It wasn't the that the 20mm holed the armour - that was already done.
Okay - it does mean you need a bit of imagination.
Unless of course you were the one that spent the previous 20mins putting 20/30mm into the CV and then it sank it all by yourself. That is wrong.
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I'm sorry, but in no way can we compare the 20mm vulcan cannon on the F-18 to any aircraft weapon we deploy in the game. It has a muzzle velocity of over 1km/sec.
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Maybe the 20mm killed the pump operators that were keeping the ship afloat. It wasn't the that the 20mm holed the armour - that was already done.
Okay - it does mean you need a bit of imagination.
Unless of course you were the one that spent the previous 20mins putting 20/30mm into the CV and then it sank it all by yourself. That is wrong.
Thats a big imagination considering bilge pumps are in the bottom of the ship, below the armor.
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Thats a big imagination considering bilge pumps are in the bottom of the ship, below the armor.
Ricochet? :neener:
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Destroyers were unarmored, but both fleet carriers and cruisers had armored belts as well as thinner armor covering other vitals. Cruisers, fleet carriers and battleships would not be vulnerable to aircraft guns.
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Fix the damn puffy ack which has now ruined the fun of having an enemy CV near your base, and/or the ability of one suicide 190 to take the use of bombs away from a base. Then we'll talk about making CVs realistically proof against strafing...
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Fix the damn puffy ack which has now ruined the fun of having an enemy CV near your base, and/or the ability of one suicide 190 to take the use of bombs away from a base. Then we'll talk about making CVs realistically proof against strafing...
Thats a good point because I dont think ammo bunkers should be strafeable either.
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Question: -
If loadsa MkI Hurricanes armed only with .303s continually strafed a hanger (or any destroyable object) - would it eventuall be destroyed? I.e. does an object simply accumulate 'hit points' before being destroyed when the total exceeds the 'defense value' of the object?
My guess is that for any object (like a CV) there'd have to be a minimum size of weapon before damage can be accumulated. Surely firing 303s at a hanger or CV would have no cumulative effect.
How does AH do it?
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If loadsa MkI Hurricanes armed only with .303s continually strafed a hanger (or any destroyable object) - would it eventuall be destroyed?
Yes.
However, some objets do have some sort of armor - and the CV is one of them. Go offline and spawn a PT boat at a friendly task group, then start to shoot at it with your guns. Depending on caliber & angle, you will notice bullets glancing off.