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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Zigrat on December 16, 2001, 03:13:00 PM
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100% gas no DT with wep only gets 1.6k/min pasing thru 25k should get 2k according to charts
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It's not the only thing the AH's A5 does not make right.
BTW forget about getting an answer on this matter, he won't say a thing about it. Just as he didn't about the SL speed, just about the Jabo configurations of the F8/U1, just about so many things :)
[ 12-16-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Well, what I've learned in these two years is that PYRO seldom *replies* to posts like this one. However, sometimes I've seen FM changes in the following releases.
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it is according to his own charts not someone elses
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He answers when he wants, Gatt ;)
BTW I don't say anything against it. He's free to post wherever he wants.
I'm not saying he won't fix it (even when the wing bombs/DTs of the 190F8 don't need much work to be implemented, tho).
I just tell zigrat not to expect an answer. And that such silence is VERY noisy, at least for me.
Originally posted by Zigrat:
it is according to his own charts not someone elses
Zigrat, is not the only chart "misreading". For instance, when you get a 109G10 to make 450mphTAS@25000feet on level flight and 100% fuel load in Aces High, warn me ;)
[ 12-16-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Pyro has fixed bugs on both Allied AND Axis planes when performance in game doesn't agree with the charts. Just because you guys don't remember doesn't mean it didn't happen.
[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Pyro Rules!.
He dont respond 'cause he's too busy swindling HT's scotch.
Ewps.. I never said that! :D :D
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Originally posted by funkedup:
WTG, you just ruined the thread of Zigrat, somebody who argues with facts instead of roadkill that people like you resort to.
[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
First: I dont suggest anything. I simply remark a FACT:
FACT: Pyro has stated NOTHING about fixing the well documented,Fw190-specific issues brought up in this forum so far.
If remarking that FACT; is taken by you as suggesting that Pyro has an anti-german bias, then is YOUR interpretation. Do me a favor and dot put in my mouth words i've never said, please.
SECOND: Anyway ,posting pure data facts dont work either. There is a nice chart wich shows 565km/h@SL for the Fw190A5 posted in another thread, wich also got nicely bypassed by him without even saying a word.
The chart is original from FW. That thread was posted in a calm way (and I even edited it after you suggested me I was making too strong statements).
It has been repeatedly punted. Not a word from Pyro on the matter. Nothing. At all.
Same goes about the F8 bombs...same about the A/G rockets...same about...same about...etc
Lots of "same abouts" with the same common denominator (plain to see). And that is just my point: he is not going answer this thread no matter what happens in it. He has done the same before, he will do the same now.
You can agree or disagree but facts are facts. I'm not saying he has a bias or not. I'm saying he is not answering in this thread. No matter what.
[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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I'm willing to bet everything posted in this forum is somewhere on HTC's to-do list. It just depends on how important it is.
.....and when you have someone like RAM arguing on your side then the importance is getting knocked further down the list each post he makes.
-SW
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
I'm willing to bet everything posted in this forum is somewhere on HTC's to-do list. It just depends on how important it is.
I'm not saying a word about that (even when I have my own reserves about believing that affirmation.).
I don't say Pyro won't fix a wrong climbrate. I just say Pyro is not going to answer in this thread, seeing the previous instances of 190 issues brought up in this forum.
.....and when you have someone like RAM arguing on your side then the importance is getting knocked further down the list each post he makes.
-SW
I dont' believe it. But If that is true, then my opinion of Pyro then would also get knocked really low. :)
[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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What I suggest with that paragraph?. That certain issues do not get a proper deal of attention compared with another issues.
I'll illustrate my argument. Shortly before the last patch release, Pyro posted in several threads of this forum). At that moment the FW190 SL speed thread was up in the top.
He said nothing in it nor about it. At all. Zero, nil ,nada. He was scanning the forum at that moment, and posting in threads, and this one had a nice FW chart as presentation card. Yet he nicely bypassed it as if it didnt exist. neither to say "hey, that document is fine,I'll look into it" ,nor to say "hey! AH's speed is modelled as it is and wont change it because X and Y" (as he did with the P47D11 paddle prop thread, for instance)
That is what I meant with "noisy silences". They are VERY noisy, at least for me.
[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Wich issues?...any of them. Pyro has posted quite a deal in this forum about quite some things since the 190A5 SL speed thread was started up, for instance.
Take those as a sample of the "what issues" do I talk about.
[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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The only trend I've noticed with HTC and flight test data is that they don't comment on it at all. They have obviously spent a lot of time and money on research in this area.
They don't divulge their sources, which I assume is because they consider this proprietary information which could be of value to competitors - they are protecting their investment.
And they don't seem to be willing to discuss comparisons of the flight test data they have chosen to use for the game with flight test data from other sources. Which I assume is because they have confidence in their choice, and the fact that there is no way to have a meaningful discussion of this type without disclosing their sources.
However Pyro has on several occasions noted differences between his own published charts and the performance in the game, which were brought to his attention in this forum, and he has made the changes in the game to correct the differences. These cases are not historical issues, merely bugs in the software. And that is the sort of request that Zigrat was making.
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[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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That is your interpretation. I have my own and is different even when I dont have the slightest problem to admit that, after seeing the P47 DTs fix;, while the F8 DT/Bomb/Rocket issue has been completely ignored for months, I really wondered wether it is a bias or not.
I still have faith in Pyro, tho. Time will tell if it is well placed faith. And be completely sure that if I thought otherwise I'd say it openly. I've NEVER have had any kind of problem saying what I think openly. So if I now I though he had a bias towards the 190, or the german planes, I'd also openly say it with no problems at all.
In the meantime I'd like your interpretations of my points to be presented as such: as interpretations. Quote me saying Pyro has a bias against the 190, or please stop putting in my name words I've never written.
[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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This is getting too personal. I'm doing the thing I accused you of. Deleting posts. Check private messages RAM.
[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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It a conspiracy against the luftwaffe!
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Ram
you ruined this post cause your to stupid to let someone else carry the torch for your cause. Someone much liklier to be successful then you.
YOU HURT THE CHANCES OF EVERY CHANGE YOU ADVOCATE
read that 20 times.
There isnt a person on this board that doents know its the truth. Including you somewhere in your poor oppresed and downtrodden mind.
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Ram
you ruined this post cause your to stupid to let someone else carry the torch for your cause. Someone much liklier to be successful then you.
YOU HURT THE CHANCES OF EVERY CHANGE YOU ADVOCATE
read that 20 times.
There isnt a person on this board that doents know its the truth. Including you somewhere in your poor oppresed and downtrodden mind.
I 2nd that remark, ram is his own worst enemy.
HiTech
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--- funked: ---
They don't divulge their sources
--- end ---
I faintly remember Pyro once posting the name of the firm where they have gotten some non public domain information.
// fats
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I 2nd that remark, ram is his own worst enemy.
HiTech
Uhmm, HT are you saying that even if Ram is right, that you won't make the changes because you don't like him?
F.
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No I'm say that ram making noise, especialy like the one he did here provides no help and hurts the cause some what.
It changes a purly factual discusion into something with emotions and finger pointing ,acuzations and chest thumping, behind it.
Ram has gotten to a point where no mater what ram sais it is so lost in his clutter that we tend to just not read his post. I't is almost imposible to read any of rams post with out seeing alteriative motives behind them. Take the last release where we change the p47. A simple bug that was found and fixed on our part, turns into a we screwed up even more by ONLY chaning the p47 do to ram. After listening to that stuff for long enof, we no longer respect those posters.
I can't look at any of rams post any longer with out think he has one agenenda, to make luftwafa planes uber. Incorect or not that is how it effects us.
HiTech
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Well HT now you're here so what's up with that climb speed Zig mentioned in his post?
Are those numbers correct or not?
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So HT are you guys gonna look into this then?
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See I'm not entering a personal discussion about any matter, and less in a public forum ,Hitech.
I just find sad that after many 190 threads posted with hard data backup, finally someone at HTC finally choose to post in it but NOT to talk about the 190 itself. And I find sad too, that you won't have posted in this thread if it wasn't to talk about me. The Fw190 FM would've still been ignored.
BTW not all 190 threads in this forum were posted by me. In fact, just ONE 190 thread (the 190A5 SL speed) was started by me, and I think it was posted in a civil way.
And nothing came from you guys. Not a yes, not a no. Just nothing. You bypassed those threads without any answer when you did answer other complains and questions regarding other planes. And that is my complain.
See, HT you can take this answer as you want to take it. But I'll tell you that if you think I believe HTC holds an anti-german bias, and that I'd pay a monthly fee to fly an intentionally porked game made for a biased develoment team, then you're way off target.
If until today, most months I've voted in a favorable way HTC and AH with my CC...and if I have broughy several new players to this game as I have done...and if I have done more things to favor HTC that I can't name in public (but I'm sure you and Pyro still remember)...if you think I've done all that for a biased dev. team then you're taking me for a fool. And I'm not one.
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Look at it this way, RAM.
HTC fixed the ridiculously short 109 oil leak time and the 190 single engine ping bug. Maybe they'll fix this and the 190 speed and add some more ordnance in the next release.
You really can't say that they haven't been looking after Luftwaffe planes.
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Well.. they fixed long ago lacking speed of 109G10 and its overly tough torque.
I think FW190a8 speed or climb was fixed also one time or so.
...oh.. to better of course.
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Originally posted by R4M:
See I'm not entering a personal discussion about any matter, and less in a public forum ,Hitech.
I just find sad that after many 190 threads posted with hard data backup, finally someone at HTC finally choose to post in it but NOT to talk about the 190 itself. And I find sad too, that you won't have posted in this thread if it wasn't to talk about me. The Fw190 FM would've still been ignored.
BTW not all 190 threads in this forum were posted by me. In fact, just ONE 190 thread (the 190A5 SL speed) was started by me, and I think it was posted in a civil way.
And nothing came from you guys. Not a yes, not a no. Just nothing. You bypassed those threads without any answer when you did answer other complains and questions regarding other planes. And that is my complain.
See, HT you can take this answer as you want to take it. But I'll tell you that if you think I believe HTC holds an anti-german bias, and that I'd pay a monthly fee to fly an intentionally porked game made for a biased develoment team, then you're way off target.
If until today, most months I've voted in a favorable way HTC and AH with my CC...and if I have broughy several new players to this game as I have done...and if I have done more things to favor HTC that I can't name in public (but I'm sure you and Pyro still remember)...if you think I've done all that for a biased dev. team then you're taking me for a fool. And I'm not one.
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
Yea, you are a real saint, we all see that.
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Fact of the matter is, there's always something broken with the 109s or 190s.
In every game.
Don't believe me? You don't have to go very far, check out the Il-2 forums. Check out AGW.
In every game, it's just amazing no developer can get it right. I mean, what the hell, don't these guys know how uber the German aircraft really were?
Face it, the penacle of German aircraft with a mixture of speed, climb rate and _okay_ turn rate was 1939-1942. After that they became mediocre aircraft. Good to excellent in some categories while completely crap in others.
The fact that so many issues, that have been brought up before, regarding German aircraft and many have been fixed or many of your requests regarding adding more German aircraft have been answered shows that HiTech and Pyro read these threads and take them into account.
Some fixes come easier than others, and in the world of creating flight models changing one parameter can lead to several other changes that weren't intended. It ain't just change a value and it's good to go, there's a whole lot more to it.
Maybe if you realise that not only do they have to find out exactly what the problem is or how to fix it without breaking something else, all the while making new things for the game and fixing other things that may be more important- just maybe you will realise how very unimportant .4k/min at 25K for a single plane really is.
-SW
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I just find sad that after many 190 threads posted with hard data backup, finally someone at HTC finally choose to post in it but NOT to talk about the 190 itself. And I find sad too, that you won't have posted in this thread if it wasn't to talk about me. The Fw190 FM would've still been ignored.
Ram you are still continuing down the same road. You have made it impossible to post in this thread about the subject of the thread.
Let me put it more bluntly ram, you insult everyone at HTC with almost every post you make. You insult the CM staff, the CO's of the oposing force. You insult anyone who ever disagrees with you in any fashion. You might not know you do it, but you do, Even in your last post you have insulted us at least 4 times, then even dare to drop a vailed threat. Well ram i've had enof of this crap from you, only this time im not going to fight it behind the sceens.
HiTech
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Ruh roh....
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Amen, amen!
Amen, amen, amen!
See him in the office, working on the program.
Hear the players singing, amen, amen!
See him now with Pyro, talkin' bout the data.
Marvel at his knowledge! Amen, amen!
See him at the Con now,
Preachin''bout the future.
Miracles and wonders! Amen, amen!
See him on the BB,
Bowed in deepest sorrow.
Talking to old Ram now! Amen, amen!
See him in the arena, shooting yer rear end off.
Flying now and fighting! Amen, amen!
See him early in the morning, getting vox to work now.
He never takes a break now! Amen, amen!
Now he is our Leader, and his name is HiTech.
Glory, hallelujah! Amen, amen!
Sing it over, sing it over.
Glory, hallelujah! Amen, amen!
<apologies to those of you who feel this may be a bit blasphemous... all in good fun from my end>
:D
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Would this be a bad time to ask for the Me410? <g,d,r> :D
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I dont want to place myself in the firing line but I would like to defend RAM a bit here.
please consider this,
LW issues i can think of off the top of my head:
the 190 engine bug (months of frustrating deaths),the 109 oil bug (annoying cut of the engine whilst every other plane seemed to fly forever with same damage), the 109 torque and E retention/zoom issue, now the 190a5 SL speed and hi alt climb performance,the 190 lack of full loadout options,the 190f8s lack of armour(it seems).
(please add any positive LW bugs you can think of...)
ALL of these issues/bugs/omissions meant that players flew their planes in the MA with the knowledge it was wrong which led to months of frustration.(P38 pilots can attest to this im sure with their need for dive flaps).Each time you died and these issues were involved (or NOT) you would damn the game for it whether it was fair or not.
other bugs/issues:
The p47 lack of weight issue, F4u4 lack of E loss in turns, the Nik E retention, the (argued) loadout mistakes(as in too much was enabled) on some allied aircraft,the seemingly indestructable La7 engine etc
(please add any negative bugs you can think of...)
ALL of these bugs/issues were in FAVOUR of the players that flew these aircraft.There was NO frustration in flying a plane with historically incorrect bugs, hell it even helped them.
NOW IM NOT SUGGESTING/INSINUATING/WHATEVER that these bugs were in some way intentional or that theres a conspiricy but I sure as hell understand RAMs frustration with these sorts of errors.Maybe he does come accross as too 'in your face' most of the time( :p) but he has shown a lot of data to prove what he rants( :)) for.
Hitech it dissapointed me to hear you accost Ram like this, we all know what hes like when he bursts out emotional responses but to be honest sometimes this game of yours gets VERY EMOTIONAL to play :D. I dont think ive ever played a game where such a small issue can cause so much anger and frustration.You being an old hand,if not THE old hand at online flight sims should understand his frustration, ignore the emotional side, and if he has correct info use it.You can disgard any irrelevent crap cant you?
Seems a bit off, you as the company representative, to pile into him with everyone else even if he is being annoying.
so he bursts out insults here and there, WELL WHO HASNT?? to suggest that anyone who shows a little emotion in their posts will ruin the chances of their gripe/complaint/requests being dealt with seems like a veiled threat.Something you accuse RAM of.
This is none of my business I know but I am a customer and thats my take on the situation.
yes RAM goes about things the wrong way, yes sometimes it appears hes having a dig at HTC,but hes SPANISH for gods sake! :D MUCH is lost or even Added in translation which simply isnt intended.
hope i got accross what it is im trying to say here, but ive no doubt this will be taken as some sort of luftwhine or holy blasphemous remark ;).
p.s. Tac your poem was weird ;)
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]
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Hazed- If this was an On Ocasion only outburst I would tend to agree with you, only it has become then Norm not the Ocasion with ram. Just because some one wants to get emotial does not make it correct.And btw for every bug you post about the luftwafa, I can post stuff about the other countries planes also, bugs will always be with us, we just fix them as we can.
HiTech
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vv hitech I understand, and im aware of how these bugs must be doubly frustrating for you guys.
I hope you see where im coming from in terms of my understanding of 'Rams outbursts'( sorry RAM im not having a go at you honestly :)).I put most of it down to firey latin temprement :p.
P.S. Swulfe, whilst you probably are correct in saying the LW stuff wasnt quite what the majority of LW fans THINK they were, I for one do NOT want the 'uber LW' planes so i can forage for fodder in the virtual skies but I do want them to be accurate.I call for more accuracy in ANY plane i fly not just LW but for better or worse 109s and 190s are my favourite planes so i concentrate on them.Ive been called luftwhiner by you and others and it gets old fast. I get annoyed , not because im called luftwhiner, but because every issue brought up is then ignored or flooded with leather based lame assed jokes :p until one of us shouts it out emotionally.Ram is one such person with a particularly hard skin who will shout it out.I say good job he does because no one else wants to receive the abuse he gets for it.why is the P38 dive flap request or the la7 loadout (called for bombs to be added) not attacked in the same manner?
because idiots like to lump all LW flyers together and say everything is a whine. what a pleasent atmosphere that causes eh? just love it. NOT .
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]
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Originally posted by hitech:
you insult everyone at HTC with almost every post you make.
Nope. At least it always has been far from my intention to do it. If you have extracted that opinion, you are not right :).
You insult the CM staff
Where?. nope. That is completely untrue, Hitech. And in fact, it was far from it.
I've saluted them for the work they do, and I've really been sorry for them when I saw BW contaminated by gamey players.
the CO's of the oposing force.
Thats true,but for well know reasons I dont hope you will understand.
And I stand on what I said about the last scenario gamey tactics, word by word.
You insult anyone who ever disagrees with you in any fashion. You might not know you do it, but you do
Once upon a time I know you were right. Now I don't agree.
Even in your last post you have insulted us at least 4 times, then even dare to drop a vailed threat.
What? I insulted htc in my last post? how, please?. I'm REALLY surprised about this affirmation.
I remarked several facts. I talked about Pyro not posting on several threads on the 190 possible problems, while he was posting in others wich were up and working at the same time. That is a fact.
Then I said that if you think I believe HTC holds an anti-LW bias, then you are wrong. and that if it was the case I'd say it openly ,and I won't have voted with my credit card for almost 2 years in a row. I've been paying for AH even while my hours/month logged have been under the floor. Why?. Because my opinion was that HTC deserved the money for a great game.
WHERE is the insult there?. I sincerely ask it as I fail to see where.
Ask funked about my private messages with him about BW. I mentioned him that I was not going to fly in a regular way any more, but that I still was willing to pay,if not for AH, but for HTC's work. That was said no more than 8 days ago.
If I'm talking with someone privately, and telling him not going to play that much AH, but that still I choose to still pay you for being a great bunch of guys who do a great work, you think I will then go and insult you in the open forums ¿?
And which threat? My dearly god, I've NEVER threatened HTC with ANYTHING in that post. I said, as I have stated, that I've been paying HTC for AH for nearly 2 years, and that I'm not someone who gives the money by free to the first one in the road. I just give it to the people I think they deserve it. And that I dont think that people with biases are people who deserve my money.
Conclussion : I payed you for 2 years----->I think you are worth my money -------> I dont think you have any kind of real LW bias because if I did, I won't be paying.
...threats?...where?
How is that a threat?¿. I fail to understand it.
Anyway, see. I'm not that sure this post will make it into the BBS as I'm not sure if I'm already banned or not. I know that this answer will prolly get me banned for live in AH forums. If I am, I'll go out with my head and chin up, because I've always kept my opinion as sincere as it can be. to be kicked for just saying my opinion is something I won't ever regret.
I know this post may mean an immediate ban. I won't say I dont mind it, noone likes to be banned from anywhere and I tend to like this place (that is why I post here). But if is the price to pay if one choses to be sincere and talk instead of being a hypocrite and shut up, then I'll pay it.
...I wont be the first banned in this forums. I'm sure I wont be the last either. But while others did earn their bans, and were banned for calling "useless squeak" to anyone they killed online, or "sonofa***" to anyone who killed them... or for calling AH online a "piece of crap" with you present, or for being a cheater...
I do think I'll be the only one banned while he still says that AH rocks in almost everything but gameplay, and that HTC is a very good group of guys whose work is amazing.Yesterday I was talking with a good friend of mine and suggested him to give AH a try because it was worth it. Curious, isn't it? :)
I use to think that AH had some issues with some plane FMs; and my biggest concern has been the gameplay used in it (lots of gamey tactics and a MA I frankly dislike). But I also always said that AH is the best MMOL sim out there, bar none
I always thought that HTC was the best software developer for MMOL simulations, and that while that sometimes they overreacted to some members (not me, I'm talking about Supongo, for instance), I was sure that HTC was as fair as they could get.
But you say I insult HTC and AH in each post I make... oh well :(
GRUNHERZ:
Yes, the 190 engine problem was fixed. Happened that it was shared by other planes, as the P38L...it was not a 190 EXCLUSIVE matter as it was shared by more planes.
HAZED:
Dont worry, I know you're not getting a go against me, mate :).
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Originally posted by hazed-:
LW issues i can think of off the top of my head:
the 190 engine bug (months of frustrating deaths),the 109 oil bug (annoying cut of the engine whilst every other plane seemed to fly forever with same damage), the 109 torque and E retention/zoom issue, now the 190a5 SL speed and hi alt climb performance,the 190 lack of full loadout options,the 190f8s lack of armour(it seems).
(please add any positive LW bugs you can think of...)
190A5, super E retention when it first came out. It could zoom and zoom and zoom.
Originally posted by hazed-:
other bugs/issues:
The p47 lack of weight issue, F4u4 lack of E loss in turns, the Nik E retention, the (argued) loadout mistakes(as in too much was enabled) on some allied aircraft,the seemingly indestructable La7 engine etc
(please add any negative bugs you can think of...)
F6F-5 had bogus stall.
P38L glass tail.(it also shared the 1 ping dead engine bug)
P51D's wings would rip off for no reason.
From Readme:
"Fixed a bug with the P-47D-30 that was causing it to not get its full WEP performance."
"Fixed a bug in the C.202 that was giving it decreased thrust"
"Found a problem with the induced drag of the P-38 and adjusted it."
Perhaps you just remember the ones selectively, afterall when you are viewing the other side of the pond without much care for what's really going on over there while concerned with your own problems you tend to view the other side as having no problems and all bonuses while your side has all problems with no bonuses.
Tends to be a problem with LostWaffles, everyone's out to get their precious lil' planes.....
-SW
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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More allied bugs:
Tiffie was a dog when first released.
Mossie had low fuel load when first released.
LW bug you never heard about:
190A8 could carry a 1K bomb with no reduction in climb rate when 1st released.
ra
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Originally posted by ra:
LW bug you never heard about:
190A8 could carry a 1K bomb with no reduction in climb rate when 1st released.
ra
You know that the 190A5 when it was released, had 125rpg in the MGFF outter cannons? (and I thikn there was also a weight bug wich had something to do with that issue)
Guess who reported it to Pyro. Yep. Me. The trusty uber-whining uber-my-lw-is-undermodelled-RAM.
I don't just tell what is undermodelled in the planes I like. I indeed also tell it when something is OVERmodelled.
Just happens that you people just see what you want to see.
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Originally posted by R4M:
Just happens that you people just see what you want to see.
While your busy trying to believe that, might I suggest you take a good long look into one of these:
(http://www.mirrorsplus.com/wallmirrors/11917.jpg)
-SW
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I look into one lots of times per day.
xcept for the ugly of my face ( :D), and the eventual problems everyone has sometimes I usually like what I see.
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
F6F-5 had bogus stall.
P38L glass tail.(it also shared the 1 ping dead engine bug)
P51D's wings would rip off for no reason.
From Readme:
"Fixed a bug with the P-47D-30 that was causing it to not get its full WEP performance."
"Fixed a bug in the C.202 that was giving it decreased thrust"
"Found a problem with the induced drag of the P-38 and adjusted it."
Perhaps you just remember the ones selectively, afterall when you are viewing the other side of the pond without much care for what's really going on over there while concerned with your own problems you tend to view the other side as having no problems and all bonuses while your side has all problems with no bonuses.
YES BUT APART FROM THAT...WHAT did the ROMANS ever do for us??????? :D
ok I stand corrected swulf, there were other bugs that dealt frustration out to those that flew them but you surely understand my point that it did seem everything that went wrong with the 190s/109s was (mostly) a negative rather than a positive bug.
as to the 190a5 zoom it was corrected within 1 tour i believe and thats the only positive bug i remember.
Tends to be a problem with LostWaffles, everyone's out to get their precious lil' planes.....
-SW
hehehe grrrrrrrr :)
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See I'm not entering a personal discussion about any matter, and less in a public forum ,Hitech.
I just find sad that after many 190 threads posted with hard data backup.
The SAD is the insult, it implies you do not like how we post on plane topics.
, finally someone at HTC finally choose to post in it but NOT to talk about the 190 itself.
One more insult now even when we do post, we post totally incorrectly an suck at handling topics on our bbs.
And I find sad too, that you won't have posted in this thread if it wasn't to talk about me. The Fw190 FM would've still been ignored.
One more insult, you assume we wouldn’t have responded to this tread. This orignal topic is such an easy one for us to respond to. It’s simply testable by everyone, is no facts in discussion, the plane either matches or not.
BTW not all 190 threads in this forum were posted by me. In fact, just ONE 190 thread (the 190A5 SL speed) was started by me, and I think it was posted in a civil way.
We monitored that tread, no need for us to respond to it, other people were handling both sides of the issue.
And nothing came from you guys.
Why should it? Have we done a release since that topic?
Not a yes, not a no. Just nothing. You bypassed those threads without any answer when you did answer other complains and questions regarding other planes. And that is my complain.
Read my other post ram, you have become nothing but so much noise, continualy insulting us and it’s why we don’t respond to you. Some one else could use the same data, and we might respond, but if we don't except every one of your ideas, in your view we are the ones who are in error.
See, HT you can take this answer as you want to take it.
I have no choice but to do that ram, everyone sees stuff threw his own eyes,
But I'll tell you that if you think I believe HTC holds an anti-german bias, and that I'd pay a monthly fee to fly an intentionally porked game made for a biased develoment team, then you're way off target.
Another insult, you imply our game is porked, you just make the statement that you don’t think it’s Intentionaly porked.
If until today, most months I've voted in a favorable way HTC and AH with my CC...and
Here is the vailed threat, althow not much of one. It sais that you will now consider once again quiting.
if I have broughy several new players to this game as I have done...and if I have done more things to favor HTC that I can't name in public (but I'm sure you and Pyro still remember)...if you think I've done all that for a biased dev. team then you're taking me for a fool. And I'm not one.
Ram have you ever considered how many people you have chased away?
Have you consider us letting you come back deserves a little more respect for us from you?
I would expect your next response to this as somthing like, well you guys all hate me ill just quit. And once again you will wan't to show yourself as the injured party.
Ram your best responce to this topic and many others is a simple apoligy, with no strings attached, i.e. no posting trying to justify yourself.
And then let the issue die.
Hitech
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I'm getting similar results although not as big. It'll take some further testing but there is one issue that will cause discrepencies at high altitudes and that is that alt-x only sets best climb speed to the SL setting. As you get higher, the best climb rate IAS is usually dropping. I don't know that that's the case here as I haven't look into that far yet.
Ram, you help your cause about as much as Louis Farrakhan helps race relations.
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I know y'all got plenty to do but if somethings wrong its wrong no matter who points it out.
However who takes an a5 to 25k...... :rolleyes:
geeeeeeesh gimme a 410 :)
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Hey I saw A-5's at 30k+.
I keep having nightmares about them too!!!
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Yup, in Bigweek zig's 190s were up around 28k. Sometimes we even got past 30k doing these kinda sub-orbital arcs. And if we looked up and squinted real hard, we could occasionally make out some allied planes ;).
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Hazed:
1. I am not "Tac". I'm Toad. :D
2. It is not a poem, it is a song.
3. The original lyrics can be found here:
Amen! (http://www.kidzup.com/ly137.htm)
4. Jester Hairston wrote the song, "Amen" for the film, "Lilies Of The Field" starring Sidney Poitier.
...now isn't that a bit more than you wanted to know? :)
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HT I honestly think you are looking for what is not there...please bear with me for some minutes in this last reply.
The SAD is the insult, it implies you do not like how we post on plane topics.
Humm yes, you are right, I don't like to see some posts answered and others not...but does thad imply an insult?. At all moments I've agreed that any of you were perfectly free to asnwer where you wanted to. I simply didn't like to see some posts ignored, thats all.
Is that an Insult?...honestly don't think so.
One more insult now even when we do post, we post totally incorrectly an suck at handling topics on our bbs.
You extrapolate a too harsh affirmation, putting it in my name. No, I don't think you suck at handling topics on our BBS. In fact I think you are pretty free-minded in that department, generally speaking. And I like that.
But yes, I think that not posting in threads with data showing that AH's FM may not be accurate (data wich, at least, deserves some credit) isn't good. Is what I think. But to think that doesn't automatically imply that I think you suck at handling a board, HT. And in fact is far from what I think.
One more insult, you assume we wouldn’t have responded to this tread. This orignal topic is such an easy one for us to respond to. It’s simply testable by everyone, is no facts in discussion, the plane either matches or not
Yes, I assumed you won't have answered this thread. And I think that not without a good reason. please bear with me and understand why do I say this:
The "190A5 SL speed" thread was also an easy one to answer to, HT. It had a very straightforward speed chart, origin being Focke-Wulf FleugZeugbau, wich showed the Fw190A5 between 10 and 15mph faster at Sea level than what it is in Aces high. yet it got no answer.
The "190G8" thread was also an easy one to speak about. In it we discussed the existance of a very wide series of 190 F and G jagdbombers using wing drop tanks and heavy bombs. We posted photos and discussed their origins,etc. Yet it got no answer.
Same goes for lots and lots of threads about 190 weapon goodies with scans and the such, wich have been posted for months in this forum. The wing rockets in the Jabo 190s, for instance. There have been several threads about the issue. They got no answer.
So, when I saw another 190 thread I simply thought "yet another wich will go bypassed".
Is that to insult you? or to take a look back at the past events and extrapolate that you won't take a part in this thread too?.
Is the second.
We monitored that tread, no need for us to respond to it, other people were handling both sides of the issue.
Aye, but you have also monitored other threads in the past AND answered -briefly, but answered- to them...(going from loong past issues as the n1k2 climbrate at hi alts,or the P38 damage model and FM, P47 Paddle prop, P47 DTs...lots and lots of examples here).
I hope you understand that seeing no answer whatsoever to the Fw190 threads was frustrating at its best.
HT I Know you in HTC were aware of that thread. I know you look into the forums and READ them, and is something to be happy about.
But a simple post saying either "yes, the speed in AH is correct,so its staying the way it is, because that chart..." or "yes, the speed in AH may be a bit under the chart, we'll look at it..." is all what it would've got me to not get at all concerned with this issue.
And is not that I saw no answer to one thread...the problem is I saw no reply, but not on ONE thread, but in LOTS of threads about the 190...
Anyway I never intended that to be taken as an insult, either.
Why should it? Have we done a release since that topic?
Yep, last patch was released after the 190A5 SL discussion. :)
I repeat I never demanded an IMMEDIATE fix. I just wanted to see HTC's opinion on a chart wich shows a 190A5 almost as as fast as a Fw190A8 on the deck. This in turn got me angry on the P47 DT addition while the F8 remained the same (topic wich, BTW, I admit I absolutely went ballistic on that one.)
Read my other post ram, you have become nothing but so much noise, continualy insulting us and it’s why we don’t respond to you. Some one else could use the same data, and we might respond, but if we don't except every one of your ideas, in your view we are the ones who are in error
No, HT...is not that way...for instance, I posted a chart wich shows a faster Fw190A5 than the one represented in AH. That doesn't mean that you are the one "in error". You have your sources and you follow your sources. According your sources, you surely have got right the 190A5 FM.
I just put up another source wich,(assuming it wasn't already in your hands) if it was taken in account, it might mean a change of the FM. Or it might not.
The problem is that I got absolutely no clue on which was the cases...and the lack of answer was quite frustrating.
I have no choice but to do that ram, everyone sees stuff threw his own eyes,
I honestly think you read too much and too deep into my posts, HT. And you find what is not there. This is said with complete sincerity.
Another insult, you imply our game is porked, you just make the statement that you don’t think it’s Intentionaly porked.
Again, not. I show sources wich don't coincide with AH's FM data. That doens't mean AH's FM data is WRONG: it is right by your standards and the sources and data you have at hand.
So, there is nothing like "is not INTENTIONALLY porked"...just happens it was done without having knowledge of a determinate source, wich, taken into account, would mean a different FM.
So, I neither think the 190A5 is intentionally porked, or UNINTENTIONALLY porked. I just think is modelled using sources wich do not include the chart mentioned. And that if we take the chart into account, the FM should see a change.
Is so hard to understand?...does imply any insult?.
Answer is no.
Here is the vailed threat, althow not much of one. It sais that you will now consider once again quiting.
No. I just remark that I don't take you as a group of liers, but a group who deserve to win my money giving me a nice entertainment in exchange. I said that just to illustrate that I have been supporting your team during 2 years because I think you are worth it.
And saying that is a threat that I'm going to quit?...please HT, is FAR from it. It's been a LONG time since I got over the "I quit" period. Tho I understand you might have taken it this way, it is NOT this way.
I never said I would quit...and in sincerity I have deleted my account because your answer (I thought I was going to be banned after my answer, and I would decline to pay for AH if I'm banned from the forums). Seeing your answer and understanding that you've completely mistook my posts, I'll reopen my account as soon as I can (even what that means I've lost money).
Ram have you ever considered how many people you have chased away?
Have you consider us letting you come back deserves a little more respect for us from you?
I would expect your next response to this as somthing like, well you guys all hate me ill just quit. And once again you will wan't to show yourself as the injured party.
Ram your best responce to this topic and many others is a simple apoligy, with no strings attached, i.e. no posting trying to justify yourself.
And then let the issue die.
to answer in proper order:
1-I honestly think I've helped more people to stay than to go. Even ammo, who is openly against me in this forums- will have to admit that I am completely open to help training newbies (remember terracota, ammo?...those were the times, huh? ;)).
In the time I've been in AH I had very bad moments of online behavior and I can't erase that. But I don't think there will be anyone who says I'm an online jerk anymore.
2-I just think that to talk this this way and in the open is yet another proof that you deserve lots of respect. and I DO hold that respect for you, as you might notice now that I've answered above what I have. You're not talking about anything new for me,HT. I've always hold an enormous respect and admiration for you and your team.
3-you dont know me, HT, and this is the clear proof :)
4-I disagree, I had to explain what you had gotten wrong. Remember there is a big language barrier for me each time I try to talk or write in public. Sometimes comments wich are completely inocuous might be taken as a direct offense (see avobe,t oknow about what I mean). And I think this is exactly one case of it.
I do apology if I've offended you, and anyone at HTC because it was far from what I want to do. VERY far.
So please accept my most sincere excuses, Hitech, Pyro, Superfly, Natedog, Ronni and (last but not the least...because she's the one I really offended once when there was a problem with the CC-and I hope she has accepted my sincere apology, presented a long, long time ago)...Yankee.
5- I hope you just answer this post. Will answer only at your request.
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The biggest thing that bothers me about the RAM dynamic is the hypocrosy of it.
How can any rational person complain about the responsiveness of HTC to client imput to this game...
Has he ever played another game of any kind?
I think that is why he is such poison to topics that he gets involved in. He is insulting HTC about the very charecteristic of thier company that really sets them apart and that they should be the most proud of.
Many of us who have been playing for a while and have watched the game develop know that disagreement not only is acceptable in the progress of the game. It is helpfull. Show both sides. Save pyro the research or help him focus his research. This has never been a problem here and we all know it. But when every disagreement turns into accusations of bias or bigotry what result would we expect from the developers.
RAMS biggest frustration must be that he sees that the players do have input but he does not. HT cannont make it any more plain why not.
They have him squelched and they probably squelch every thread he pops up in.
I sure would. He has never been able to show a different side, sooner or later every thread he participates in becomes about either alligations of bias or about RAM himself.
Life is too short.
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I needed to consult my english/spanish dictionary looking for "insult". The translation was, as expected, "insulto". Then I needed to consult "insulto" in a traditional spanish dictionary... ...mmm... nothing has changed about this word in centuries. Conclusion: english-spanish dic should be definitively porked.
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Hi Hitech,
first, let me assure you that I don't know anything about the past, the background, or even just about the first half of this thread, as there are way too many edits up there.
I'd just like to point out that none of the four "insults" you list actually is an insult. Actually, the quotes are not even close, and they are not even ambigous.
They might tell you something you don't like to hear, but that's hardly enough to consider a post insulting.
To me as an interested outsider, RAM's post conveyed quite a bit of enthusiasm about Aces High, and just a little bit of disappointment.
I don't think RAM's comments as quoted by you require any kind of apology, justification, or re-phrasing, and I think that whatever was posted, it's no good idea for a forum administrator, under no circumstances, to demand a general apology not just for verifiable quotes, but for an entire topic "and many others".
I really don't know why I'm posting this, as it'll very likely put me in the middle of a flame war I don't have the slightest interest in, and I hardly know RAM anyway, but please take some time to consider my words and get a bit more distance to the topic before taking any kind of action. Thank you!
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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Ram, it is clear to me you will not get what im trying to say.
You are still trying to stand by your post with absolutly zero understanding of how it insults, belittles, critizes,shows lack of respect, tells us we are doing a crapy job,all with the full belief that you are in no way at fault in this. And that you are right therefore it must be everyone elses fault that they take offence.
So once again instead of helping your case with one simple post,as I sugested, you have dug a hole I doubt you will be able to get out of.
To everyone else, I hope you understand the diffence we see in posts of pointing out problems, or desire for changes, and post that tell us our best efforts are not good enof for you. One we see as a desire to help us, the other we see as a desire to just flame us,or squeak.
HiTech
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Roger Hitech.
No need to further elongate this thing. I've thoroughly explained each and all of your points in your previous post, you refuse to look way beyond what you're convinced you've read at first.
I,and I'd say I wont be the only one, simply fail to understand how A SINGLE thing of what you quoted me, can be taken as an insult or a threat. Still I've tried to explain it step by step thinking it might be a problem of my way of express myself.
I dont know if it is the case or not, I just know that while you look, you don't want to see. I've presented an apology for something I really think I haven't done, and that I might have done accidentally, and I just found ,suprised as hell, that you choose to throw some more dirt over me instead of trying to rationalize. It was supposed that the hot-blooded spaniard was me :) ?...
I'll be honest, I'm quite dissapointed. But I'll do what I see you really want me to do in the end. See, it was as easy as to say "Log off RAM". and I'll do it. No need for bans or for sideways. You could've done it even privately and I've gone silently.
But that last post was something I'd never expected from you. I hope you don't take this as an insult BTW (little twisted humor here I hope you catch, BTW ;))
Farewell everybody, meet you somewhere else.
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[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Hi all:
In first place a salute to all AH comunity. I am wondering how a plane question can degenerate in a ultra long post full of insults and crap, seems near to incredible.
RAM is a "TOCA PELOTAS" (something like BOLLOCKS TOUCHER) in a definitive way, as we said here:
To wrong words, closed hears
Really RAM is a conflictive person, of course not the only one, there are much like him outdoor.
My sugerence, don't reply or conversate with don't know talk or never change his point of view, remember that 20% of the people causes the 80% of the problems, see to any office or workplace, you always can see the typical person questioning all, the typical person tired allday, the typical working a lot and never reconogised..... the classic stereotypes. As is usual there are people in AH of all ways, RAM is the TOCAPELOTAS of the moment, as we have another nice people and normal people, give to each the place they must occupe, don't loose time with the one can hear you.
Really RAM, this is not the way to contruct a game or a comunity.
Salute again to all, pasao
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RAM is a "TOCA PELOTAS" (something like BOLLOCKS TOUCHER)
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So you are saying he is gay, or does he just touch his own bollocks?
// fats
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lol...allow me a last pleasure.
Passao, y tu eres un poquito (muy) gilipollas.
Espero q si algun dia coincidimos en alguna quedada de afionados a la simulacion, donde sea, tengas las narices de llamarme tocahuevos,cara a cara en vez de detras de una pantalla de ordenador, y en un contexto donde dar semejante puñalada trapera no sea hacer leña de un arbol caido cuando segun tu fecha de registro has tenido un puto año entero para meterte conmigo y no lo has hecho hasta q ves que el arbol esta REALMENTE caido.
Desde luego lo que soy yo, no tendre ningun problema en decirte lo pedazo mamon que eres cara a cara. Aparte de bastante cobarde.
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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hehehe, I'm sorry, but Bullocks Toucher is funny chit. :D
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Originally posted by Zigrat:
100% gas no DT with wep only gets 1.6k/min pasing thru 25k should get 2k according to charts
and what about wind ?
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geeeez im getting blind :D
[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: EagleC ]
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Passao solo esta tratando de dar una "buena" impresion a el foro insultandote. Se enota que como es nuevo piensa que la mejor manera de hacerce el mejor amigo de todos es cojiendo de punto a quienes todos parecen detestar.
Passao, yo no estoy de acuerdo con muchos de los puntos de RAM, de hecho, no estoy de acuerdo con la mayoria, pero eso no me da el derecho de estar hablando MIERDA. Aparte de las discuciones, es tremenda persona, mucho mejor que un huele culos como tu. Estoy seguro que nisiquiera leiste esta discucion completa.
Puedes tomar tus opiniones e irte al carajo con tu aptitud.
Oh, y a proposito: dejame asegurarte que conozco a hitech, y por mas que discuta con RAM, estoy seguro que al leer tu mensajito le agradas mucho menos. Ese es el tipo de persona que es, y con buena razon.
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Now a summary for the spanish-impaired ;)
I was just setting Pasao straight. That you dont agree with someone, doesnt mean you can jump into a thread and start smack-talking. Pasao is just trying to get on everyone's good side by insulting the most wanted man on this BBS to get on everyone's "good" side.
Now I rarely agree with most of RAM's posts, but if you put that aside, he is a great man. There are some conflicts between HTC and RAM, but its not on a personal level.
But to see some jerk jump into the bellybutton licking bandwagon makes me feel bad that he is a Latin fellow, or even a member of this comunity for that matter.
Now forgive my interruption, and carry on with your thread.
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Animal, Passao no es nuevo aqui, y estoy totalmente convencido de que en sus críticas no hay nada mas lejano que la intencion de hacer amigos en base a ellas. Me temo que se trata, simplemente, de algo a nivel personal entre Passao y RAM. Ambos se han encontrado en multiples ocasiones en el chat del canal 100 rook en espanol.
Lo que es cierto es que este thread ha derivado en un juicio a si RAM ha insultado sistematicamente a HTC o no. Yo no interpreto sus criticas como insultos, simplemente como critica dura. Esto es algo extremadamente usual en Espana. Aqui es poco comun decir, por ejemplo, que "esta aplicacion podria ser mejorable". Lo usual es algo asi como "esta basura de programilla esta a anos luz de lo que deberia ser" ;)
A small english resume of the last part:
In Spain the crude/direct/extremely hard critic is somewhat common. Insults are "casus-belli", critics arent. Said that, I see into RAM posts that typical crude/direct/hard and emotional criticism, but this, IMO, is way different than insulting.
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Animal, gracias :). Si algun dia -espero q sea posible- nos llegamos a conocer personalmente, las cervezas corren a mi cuenta.
Al menos las primeras :D
Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
Animal, Passao no es nuevo aqui, y estoy totalmente convencido de que en sus críticas no hay nada mas lejano que la intencion de hacer amigos en base a ellas. Me temo que se trata, simplemente, de algo a nivel personal entre Passao y RAM. Ambos se han encontrado en multiples ocasiones en el chat del canal 100 rook en espanol.
Ah si?.....te agradeceria que dijeras cuando, Mandoble. Porque yo EN MI VIDA he hablado con ese pedazo de mamon. Y desde luego "encuentros" con el en el canal 100 rook en español NINGUNO EN ABSOLUTO.
Te agradeceria refrescaras mi memoria. Gracias.
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Pues no queria entrar al trapo pero no veo mas cojones que hacerlo.
Suelo leer normalmente los posts, aunque no aporte muchos. Conozco el historial de RAM, y no pretendo hacer leña del arbol caido ni hacer la pelota o darle jabon a nadie.
Para mi un tocapelotas es la tipica persona que no para de sacar faltas a todo y nunca esta contento con nada, a lo largo de los años que llevo jugando simuladores online he visto desfilar a todo tipo de gente de todas las maneras.
Que un post relativo a un avion termine siendo una conversacion de 2 replicandose mutuamente es de dar puta pena asi de claro y ademas hace perder el tiempo a los demas llenando una conversacion que podia ser interesante de mierda de palabreria barata.
A mi no me hace falta insultar a nadie, se de que va RAM, y por eso no le hago ni puto caso, y sigo opinando que quejarse de todo no es la manera de aportar algo para mejorar un juego o una comunidad como decia en el anterior post.
Trabajo como informatico en una empresa y tambien aqui hay toca cojones que no tienen mejor cosa que hacer que decirte todo el dia lo mal que estan las cosas pero nunca reconocen cuando algo se soluciona, por supuesto que tampoco entienden de prioridades, no siempre lo suyo ha de ser lo primero y mas importante.
Yo vuelo asiduamente en 190 y veo que no es igual el rendimiento que da en AH con el que daba en WB o en AW o en EAW o en CFS o en.....tampoco los juegos citados dan un rendimiento similar para un mismo tipo de avion, ¿pero quien puede decir si una cosa es cierta en base a documentos que llegan con cuenta gotas e influenciandos por quien los escribio(aleman o americano)?
Me da totalmente por culo que se meta RAM con quien quiera, pero que ocupe lineas y lineas de posts provocando esperando que salte alguno a responderle es como digo de dar por culo, y coincido con la opinion de que el tema se fue del objetivo inicial.
Nunca he discutido con RAM ni lo hare, personas de ese tipo las IGNORO, paso de ellas, esa es mi postura, y cuando quieras RAM me acerco a tu pueblo y te lo digo a la puta cara, que no me corto un pelo, y si hace falta te doy dos ostias.
Hay gente que sabe vacilar con gracia, otros se hacen unos pesados dando siempre el coñazo con las mismas putas gracias que no son tales.
A ti animal puede que los post de RAM te puedan hacer gracia, a mi me aburren y ver un post de 50 y tantos mensajes donde entre dos tios se llevan el 90% de los post.... que quieres que te diga, mejor que se lo hagan por correo o como quieran pero no que aburran a los demas echando mierda.
En cuanto al Hitech, no pretendo comerle el culo ni nada, pero en mi opinion no deberia haber entrado en el juego del borde de RAM, total uno se encabrona para no conseguir nada con alguien que ni escucha ni razona, pero bueno, cada uno es libre de hacer lo que quiera. En mi caso expuse mi opinion sobre el tema, y la mantengo asi como mi postura ante personas como RAM o TOCACOJONES diversos.
Espero que os haya quedado claro, a ti animal te tengo mas lejos pero al RAM lo tengo a 2 horas de casa, asi que cualquier dia voy a verte(bilbao no?) y vemos lo mamon que soy si es que te quedan huevos para decirlo, que se te ve el plumero y no eres mas que un bocas buscando llamar la atencion, puede que al principio harias gracia pero desde hace tiempo resultas y pesado.
Saludos a todos, Pasao
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Pues RAM ya puedes hacer memoria porque alguna vez si que hemos coincidido en el canal 100 y alguna en el battle com o con el roger wilco pero alguna vez si que te he oido la voz, la ultima vez no habra sido mas alla de 6 meses.
Otra cosa es que yo siempre desde el princio he pasado de mezclarme contigo porque la gente como tu no me va, eso de ser el pollito notario intentando dar el cante todo el rato debe ser un afan fustrado de sentirse protagonista de algo o vete a saber por que otra razon oculta.
Soy libre de juntarme con quien quiera, y los tios como tu, RAM, no los quiero como compañia cercana, soporto su existencia pero me da por culo tenerlos cerca, como decia antes prefiero ignorarte que discutir pero si hace falta voy a hacerte una visita a tu pueblo.
Saludos, Pasao
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Passao, me reafirmo en lo que he dicho: eres un patetico mamon.
Originally posted by pasao:
Espero que os haya quedado claro, a ti animal te tengo mas lejos pero al RAM lo tengo a 2 horas de casa, asi que cualquier dia voy a verte(bilbao no?) y vemos lo mamon que soy si es que te quedan huevos para decirlo, que se te ve el plumero y no eres mas que un bocas buscando llamar la atencion, puede que al principio harias gracia pero desde hace tiempo resultas y pesado.
No tenia ni idea de que vivias tan cerca. Mejor
Cuando quieras. email es ebringas@airtel.net di donde y cuando, y veras si soy un bocas o no, y si te digo a la cara la clase de "persona" que eres, o no.
Por cierto, en mi vida he entrado en una sesion de Roger-Wilco con gente española en Aces High. De hecho lo he llegado a usar muy poco debido a persistentes problemas con el micro (pregunta a los de mi escuadron, q hace meses q no le doy al RW, y cuando lo hacia, hace ya un webo tiempo, lo hacia sin voz pq el micro no petaba).
En cuanto el battlecom no he llegado a instalarlo en mi ordenador. Tu a mi en tu puta vida me has dirigido la palabra en el canal 100, ni yo a ti. A no ser que fuera para decir "hola" o "adios", pero mi memoria no llega a tanto.
En mi vida he mantenido una sola conversacion contigo; ni por chat online ni por programa de voz. Y desde luego nunca he tenido un "agarron" contigo,de ningun estilo, como Mandoble sugiere que ha pasado.
Asi que corta el rollo y deja de darte el pitote y de meter bolas baratas, o si no hazte una revision neuronal porque te falla la memoria seriamente y necesitas ayuda medica.
Por cierto: a mi como si te relacionas con las gallinas de tu corral. Si te crees q doy una m... de q te relaciones conmigo o no,pues vas dao chavalin. Lo q pienses de mi me la bufa como no te lo puedas imaginar. Lo q no me la bufa y lo q no voy a permitir es q hagas acto de presencia y metas la puñalada trapera cuando sabes (mejor dicho, cuando creias) que no iba a contestarte. Pues la llevas clara ,capullo.
Ademas, te llenas la boca de q si hay una discusion de 50 posts bla bla bla. Pero cuando ves q esta positivamente acabada,y cuando ya he dicho que me voy, vienes tu y abres el "tarro de las esencias". Casualmente cuando el asunto esta finiquitado. Y aun asi dices q "no haces leña del arbol caido"?. lol. Patetico bolero.
De modo que haces exactamente lo mismo q lo q criticas (peor, en realidad,pq lo q dices no son mas q truños del tamaño de gibraltar). Aparte de mamon,trolero y cobarde, hipocrita.
Lo dicho: eres patetico
[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
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A small english resume of the last part:
In Spain the crude/direct/extremely hard critic is somewhat common. Insults are "casus-belli", critics arent. Said that, I see into RAM posts that typical crude/direct/hard and emotional criticism, but this, IMO, is way different than insulting.
IMO the trouble is not the way the post is written but more the way it's perceived by the HTC team(*).
And the accumulation of post during the year ...
Even if RAM has good point (I'm not an expert so I won't enter in a 190 debate ...) the way he express his opinion make others "feel" insulted ...
(*) if they feel insulted it's perhaps time to change the way it's expressed.
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Mira RAM para tengas mi correo es pasao@spania-hq.com paso de seguirte el juego de llenar de post todo, asi que te lo dire por correo y para que tu puedas expresarte de doy el mio y de esta manera no aburrimos a nadie.
Por supuesto que jamas he cruzado palabra contigo, te he leido en el canal 100 y como decia alguna vez te he oido la voz, prefiero ignorarte, se que eres un puto crio inaguantable.
Y te lo digo en serio, callate la puta boca
Yo soy una persona tranquila y me cuesta saltar, pero es que tocas los cojones a cualquiera.
Saludos pasao
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Originally posted by pasao:
Mira RAM para tengas mi correo es pasao@spania-hq.com paso de seguirte el juego de llenar de post todo
Es que eres el colmo de la hipocresia, capullo. Dices q pasas de "seguir el juego" y de "llenar de post todo"...
y por eso has posteado lo q has posteado aqui?,sin venir a cuento, sin que nadie te llamara?.
Y por eso has posteado lo q has posteado sin venir a cuento tampoco en el foro del 101ECV ? Eh?.
Menudo capullo estas hecho, pedazo hipocrita. Estas tan hasta arriba de mierda q se te sale ya hasta de las orejas.
[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Mira tio pringao:
Lo he puesto en el foro del 101 para que lo puedas leer, pidiendo perdon por la intrusion lo primero al resto de los integrantes del 101 con los que mantengo una buena relacion, ya que tu estabas pidiendo la url del foro de spania
Estarias mejor metiendote el dedo el culo silbando que sera para lo unico que valgas desgraciado bujarron, aunque quizas prefieras meterte una botella de birra por el culo y llevarla puesta. Ahora mismo te acabo de escribir un correo a tu puta direccion si es que no es falsa, y me dan ganas de ir a tu puto sucio pueblo y darte de ostias a ver si asi se te arregla la mierda diarreica que tienes por cerebro.
¿Que pasa que te caiste de la cuna cuando eras pequeño y creciste tarado mientras los gitanos te daban por culo tanto que no te queda un pliegue sin romper????????
¿Tienes algun complejo de inferioridad por el cual ese comportamiento en el que necesitas destacar a cualquier precio con cualquier bufonada barata?
En serio ram cuantos años tienes, ¿13 años?
Por mi como si te mueres, oigo hablar de ti de vez en cuando, a raiz de tus continuos cambios de escuadron, normal la gente como tu rebota de puerta en puerta porque todo el mundo se harta.
Me recuerdas mucho a otro de tu estilo que se hacia llamar ROADSS, no seras el mismo por casualidad? este era clavado, el clasico lloron, pupas y falton, igual te has cambiado el nombre para que no te reconozcan....
Como ves yo no me he escondido bajo ningun apodo, doy la cara y sigo con los del principio de hace ya muchos años, y por supuesto que la gente me tiene en mejor concepto que a ti.
Saludos pasao
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Mira ram, leo con gusto la bbs de AH, hay de todo bueno y malo, me gusta mucho la zona de aviones y la de hardware, y cada vez que leo un post tuyo va siempre con la misma mierda, no haces mas que quejarte, sacar faltas de todo y poner a todo el mundo a parir..... asi te llevo observando desde que entraste en AH.
Al final no eres mas que un imitador barato de matias (mandoble) lo que pasa es matias tiene gracia y moderacion haciendo comentarios oportunos y tu eres el clasico cutre, falton y sin gracia.
Ni de lejos te puedes comparar al matias, toda una institucion en esto de los simuladores aqui en españa.
Asi que espero que aprendas algo de todo esto y te calles la puta boca o por lo menos tengas mas sentido comun al decir las cosas y pienses algo en los demas, y asi no nos hagas tragar toda la puta mierda que te sale por la boca.
Si quieres ser notario y llamar la atencion hazlo por tus meritos y no por boqueron, aqunque siendo el puto crio infantil que eres dificil lo veo.
No te preocupes que la primera vez que tenga que ir a bilbao pienso llamarte para ver si tienes cojones de aparecer, y te hago la misma oferta el dia que tengas que venir por pamplona no tengo el minimo reparo en aparecer para lo que sea.
Saludos, Pasao
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Ohhhhhhhhhh pero si no ibas a contestar, verdad?...pobrecito...
JAjajajaja, DA-98 se va a escojonar cuando lea lo de road. Y kharnete ya ni te digo :D
No, pedazo patetico, no. No me escondo bajo ningun nombre falso. No des pena y te dejes en evidencia intentando pinchar donde no hay mas que hueso :p
De hecho muchas veces he firmado con mi nombre autentico ,y de hecho varias de esas veces en estos foros. Javier "RAM" Bringas. RoadRuner es de Salamanca, y desde luego le resbala mas de un tornillo de tanto en tanto...y nos hemos partido de risa a costa de sus cabreos alguna vez que otra. Pero;sabes, tu no le llegas a la planta del pie.
En cuanto a edad, no se...tu dices q me has oido la voz no? (lo cual es falso, pero bueno, a mi me resbalan tus bolas :D)...pa tu informacion tengo 24 añitos.
Respecto a lo del foro del 101 ECV, no vengas con excusas. Yo pedi una direccion, sin nombrar ninguna razon. Podias haberla dado sin mas, o haber cerrado ese pedazo agujero que tienes por boca. Pero decidiste hacer alli el segundo acto de lo de aqui. Pero la llevas clara.
En AH he estado en un total de tres escuadrones: JG-2 (que se desintegro, y yo sali al mismo tiempo q el resto de la gente q se fue), FUBARS, y JG-54 (que para tu informacion, esta compuesto por la gente q volaba exclusivamente aviones alemanes en el JG-2 asi q es simplemente una muestra de continuidad, no de discontinuidad :p).
He alternado alguna invitacion con otros escuadrones, brevemente y para pasarlo bien. Por ejemplo no hace dos semanas vole, invitado por Funked con un escuadron de la RAF, solo por volar juntos un par de dia y reirnos un rato.
Como ves soy tan odiado q no quieren volar conmigo :D
En cuanto a lo del dedito...ya se te ve el plumero,Pasadete. Cuando no puedes argumentar,y cuando se te arrincona con argumentos, haces lo mismo q la gente cobarde de todo el mundo: se sale por la tangente con insultos que no vienen a cuento. Con eso te has dejado mas en evidencia tu solito q lo q podria haber hecho yo.
Mira, pasao. No se que tipo de infelicidades tienes en tu vida, pero esta claro lo que ha pasado. Viste q decia adios, que he cerrado la cuenta, y q estaba a punto de dar tambien carpetazo a los foros de AH. Creiste que podias despacharte a gusto, y descargar lo reprimido que eres, sin miedo a q te contestara. Creiste q ,estando el arbol caido y la leña cortada, podias participar del juego de la manera mas cobarde del mundo.
En suma :hiciste todo lo q los cobardes reprimidos hacen en estos casos. Pero, sabes, te ha salido el tiro por la culata, so capullo. Y te saldra el tiro por la culata si te crees q cuando te tenga delante no te voy a llamar capullo como te lo estoy llamando aqui.
Eres un triste hipocrita, macho. Das autentica pena :). A mi no, pero das pena.
Por cierto, no se de donde sacas q intento compararme con Mandoble, a quien tengo el maximo respeto, y con quien mi relacion siempre ha sido muy correcta. (e incluso le pedi permiso para usar el concepto de su pagina web en otra page en la q trabaje yo durante algun tiempo)
En cuanto a lo de el quedar no te quepa duda. Tienes mi mail. Repito: di donde y cuando que asistire encantado a ver si tienes la misma "gallardia" cara a cara que tecleando en una terminal.
[editado]por cierto, mi email es absolutamente correcto, y aun estoy por recibir ese mail "que acabas de mandar". Lo repito por si no sabes leer :D:
ebringas@airtel.net
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[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Originally posted by R4M:
Y desde luego nunca he tenido un "agarron" contigo,de ningun estilo, como Mandoble sugiere que ha pasado.[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
No, yo no sugiero que haya pasado eso, yo lo que supongo es que ambos habreis coincidido mas de una vez en el canal 100, dirigiendoos la palabra o no, pero si leyendoos. Y que eso mas los foros es lo que puede haber formado una idea, equivocada o no, en Passao de ti.
Lo que tengo por seguro es que entre Passao y tu habreis congestionado totalmente los traductores de Altavista y Lycos. Probablemente lo unico positivo de todo esto sean unas cuantas decenas de sajones iniciandose avidamente en el aprendizaje del espanol :D
[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: MANDOBLE ]
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cc mandoble, no problemo. Yo lo tome como q creias q habiamos tenido algun agarron anterior, y yo con este capullo no he tenido nada q ver.
En todo caso si hemos coincidido en el canal 100, habra sido muy pocas veces pq salvo los ultimos 3 meses, yo por rookland he volado realmente poco ;).
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Drop the Spanish please, and let others in on it.
Pasao wrote:
full of insults and crap, seems near to incredible.
Hm, while RAM has used terms such as "disappointed" and "saddened", he has expressed admiration for the HTC team. I think it is his prerogative to have, and share, opinions, as long as they aren't formed as direct insults. In this thread, RAM has actually remained reasonably civil. Others AH players have attacked him, without a response from RAM's side. That's pretty good - RAm has come a long way.
RAM is a "TOCA PELOTAS" (something like BOLLOCKS TOUCHER) in a definitive way, as we said here:
You don't know RAM. You make this qualitative assessment in an effort to positively influence the results of cognitive processes in other individuals mind with regards to you. Or, put more bluntly, you're kicking on RAM because you see that there's some ill will towards him, and you hope this bellybutton licking will make others think you're cool.
I think there are more productive ways of using your tongue than planting it in the orifices of others.
As far as your 80/20% comment: be a sheep or be a leader. Stand up for what you believe in or be a conformist. It is very true that RAM seriously needs to work on his delivery. On many points however, his messages are sometimes right.
Really RAM, this is not the way to contruct a game or a comunity.
He isn't constructing it. He's pointing out (and apologizing and inadvertendly insulting while doing so) issues he thinks are relevant.
And bringing up inaccuracies in FM's is one way of perhaps getting a change.
I also have to second Hazed that the "Luftwhiner" label is getting a bit worn. Every time something is observed and noted by a "LW", it is instantly stamped "whine" and then ignored, whereas more whiny posts about other issues are considered valid.
Of course, this is overly general, but I do think that some people have a tendency to make all posts relating to LW nothing but whines, and then insult the poster.
Also, our two most vocal LW people are Spanish. Mandoble and RAM. Both go at it with an almost religious ferver. As long as it's backed up with evidence and not worded too offensively, I can just remove the whiny bits and get to the point. As I can with posts about allied hardware
HTC is doing a great job, and I have no real complains. The reason? It's their software, they do to it as they see fit, and when it's no longer fun for me, I'll quit. But it IS still fun. So no need to whine, other than for the fun of it. And the occasional emotional outburst that follows after one's ego has been bruised in the MA :).
Salute again to all, pasao
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Originally posted by StSanta:
I also have to second Hazed that the "Luftwhiner" label is getting a bit worn. Every time something is observed and noted by a "LW", it is instantly stamped "whine" and then ignored
First of all, the LuftWhiner label will remain so long as threads concerning a specific LW plane can't go for more than 1 reply before the squeaking session begins.
Second of all, it ain't like the title isn't deserved. It ain't just this game either. I fly LW aircraft, I wouldn't MIND seeing them made to specs.. but I'll be damned if I want to get them fixed because someone repeatedly squeaked about some small aspect and in the process threw subtle insults around.
RAM can praise all he wants, the problem is he will throw in a line or two that is just subtle enough that some people can't pick it up but most can see it as a an attack or insult. Things like "well, they won't fix the 190, but they go right on ahead and give the P47 drop tanks"... Since I don't limit myself to just one plane type it's easy for me to pick that stuff out as a roadkill subtle whine or aggressive remark towards how HTC does things. That in itself is why these things are ignored...
Stick to the facts, leave the roadkill out and I'll bet you a box of donuts things will be better recieved.
No, it isn't "everytime" that things are percieved as a whine. Hell, I liked Zigrat's post- straight to the point, no roadkill and he stuck to what he wanted... he didn't go for the sidelines roadkill with the "oh but you guys won't fix it, but you will fix [any allied aircraft]"
It's redundant, counter productive and does not sit well with HTC or even other people who fly LW aircraft (as can be seen by myself and Pongo's replies to this thread).
Stick to the facts, leave the roadkill school yard antics to the children.
-SW
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First of all, the LuftWhiner label will remain so long as threads concerning a specific LW plane can't go for more than 1 reply before the squeaking session begins.
I hope this will mean regarding all posts, and all topics? That would make a helluva lot of allied fliers "LuftWhiners".
Second of all, it ain't like the title isn't deserved. It ain't just this game either. I fly LW aircraft, I wouldn't MIND
seeing them made to specs.. but I'll be damned if I want to get them fixed because someone repeatedly squeaked about some small aspect and in the process threw subtle insults around.
SWulfe, I'm talking about the label in general. Am sure you'll agree that using one person to judge everyone isn't a good practise here.
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That in itself is why these things are ignored...
I'm gonna play the devil's advocate a bit here. There is a reason to why RAM goes off on a limb - because they already *are* being ignored. Little to lose.
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Stick to the facts, leave the roadkill out and I'll bet you a box of donuts things will be better recieved.
I stick to the facts, unless I'm making some lame comment about someone. My whines are easily identifiable. RAM and others *have* made strictly factual posts, supported by evidence. It's not like all they do is whine.
Also, no matter how a message is delivered, the content is the same with regards to validity. "2 plus a f*cking wh*re 2 makes f*cking 4" essentially expresses the same as "2 plus 2 makes 4". The art (and it is an art) is being able to read the points and disregard the rest, and then evaluate it. Sometimes, that can be difficult because one finds the nonsense offensive.
No, it isn't "everytime" that things are percieved as a whine. Hell, I liked Zigrat's post- straight to the point, no roadkill and he stuck to what he wanted... he didn't go for the sidelines roadkill with the "oh but you guys won't fix it, but you will fix [any allied aircraft]"
I've read few threads regarding LW stuff that haven't resulted in "you LuftWhiners" within 5-10 posts :). But, I give you right: there is no need to go on and say "and this diddlying sucks". Point it out, back it up, and wait.
On the other hand, it's not fair to say "because the delivery is bad, it is all bad". Points are points.
It's redundant, counter productive and does not sit well with HTC or even other people who fly LW aircraft (as can be seen by myself and Pongo's replies to this thread).
Aye, quite true. Comments such as Pongo's aren't more constructive, though. :).
OTOH, others do not need to conform. You're pretty good at making snide remarks that piss off a lot of people :). If you conformed to how others think you should behave, you wouldn't be you. And, I must say, in this thread, RAM hasn't said many negative things. What he has said is being interpreted in different fashions: the intention of the text can best be defined by the author of it. Of course, this leaves it up for after-rationalisation (cannot recall English word, hope ya get me point).
Stick to the facts, leave the roadkill school yard antics to the children.
And that goes for everyone, not just LuftWhiners. Also goes for those snide personal attacks heheh :D
Laters SewaWulfe: I take it AK's aren't Knight this tour? If not: prepare to eat hot lead, traitor child!
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Returning to english, just some notations
said: full of insults and crap, seems near to incredible.
---BTW forget about getting an answer on this matter, he won't say a thing about it. Just as he didn't about ....
is this a good or positive response? i see any relation between the topic and the response
and you hope this bellybutton licking will make others think you're cool.
Never was this my intention in absolute, else i had wrote more post by sure, just cann't stand people absolutely criticism like RAM, i has never hear a good opinion from him about anything, always the same song
As far as your 80/20% comment: be a sheep or be a leader. Stand up for what you believe in or be a conformist.
You must ignore the rest of the phrase, the other resolve the problems that the firts 20% causes, just think, give problems or resolve problems, is not a sheep or leader question
said: Really RAM, this is not the way to contruct a game or a comunity.
He isn't constructing it. He's pointing out (and apologizing and inadvertendly insulting while doing so) issues he thinks are relevant.
Again No, he is only trying to get his bit of glory talking how the rest do a bad job, perhaps can be better give support with ideas, data or solutions, but yes, it is more easy the words than the facts
I also have to second Hazed that the "Luftwhiner" label is getting a bit worn. Every time something is observed and noted by a "LW", it is instantly stamped "whine" and then ignored
I fly Lw usualy, the problem with Lw is people like ram, always claiming that the planes are not superplanes and then they are undermodelled, just sound like a dark conspiration, of course many times the claims are well based and reasoned, and not always fixed, but if you are allways singing the same song, people will be get bored of you, and then give you less attention, i think that negative actitudes will not help us to get a more fidelity in the models. What ram has got with all his criticism claims? in my opinion the only got is that all Lw claims are instantly stamped as "whine". The 190 a5 can mount the mv-50 system, the 190a8 most of them was mounted with mv-50, in AH neihter of them has it, the mg151/20 is loaded with ammo to shot down bombers and not fighters or GV and like that there are a lot more of things that can be better, i would like to see a Spitfire 14 here or a gloster meteor or Ki84 or a P47N or a complete set for spanish civil war, never or almost few represented in a sim, Hispanos are too strong in my opinion and i cant keep on a bit more. What must i do? write a post throwing all by land, questioning all to get something? The game is in develop, nothing is perfect at firts, asign priorities to the most important and leave aside by the moment the fine adjusts, i am happy how the game is evolutioning, there are new ideas like carpet bombing( more realims, not like now), submarins(perhaps can be added freighters between islands to transport supplies...), change the icons in function of distance(would be an improvement), I hope HTC will sometime fix the limits of flight enveloppe in moments like a top o a zoom, seems near to impossible to do a "caida de cola" tail slide or a hammerhead as is can be done in Wb or in a R/C plane, as also in a real plane as i have seen. What we get until this moment as Lw is the fame that we have, actitudes criticism will not help us in anyway
Salutes, pasao
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Santa, all I have to say is that if you have a choice between fixing a bug you found yourself or someone presented very clearly and you found an easy way to fix it, would you fix it or would you ignore it?
On the other side of the spectrum, if you were notified of a bug in a post that was shrouded with complaints about other "planes" in this game or other aspects and that bug isn't as easy to identify, would you fix it or ignore it?
I work in the IT field, I know for a fact that I would tell the 2nd person to go f*ck theirselves. It's not worth my energy to "help" someone who's just acting like a child.
"Oh they won't fix this, but they will fix that"
Oh, and in regards to the "they already *ARE* being ignored", sure... I guess the multiple bug fixes listed above in Hazed posts were being ignored too... right?
-SW
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Vale pasao, otra caja de pandora que abres...te vas a arrepentir :)
Originally posted by pasao:
Returning to english, just some notations
said: full of insults and crap, seems near to incredible.
Yup, tendence started by you in your nice call of "tocahuevos",wich I answered calling you coward, sucker and asking you if you'd be man enough to repeat all those things you had said, face face to me.
Next post from you had twice the crap and five time the insults...tendence confirmed and increased with your later posts. You've always been quite ahead from me ,mate :)
BTW and just to make everyone see what kind of element this "pasao" is
As I already have said, I asked this studmuffingot that, may our pathes cross someday in the future (in an air exhibition, or a spanish players con), wether he would be man enough to repeat what he had said, face to face instead that behind a screen, or he'd shut up like the coward he is.
(I say he is one because he did jump in this thread after I had already said I was going out of AH, so he didn't expected me to answer him. Is kind of kicking the dog, or punching a little kid. Is to mess with the weak.
Just happens this time what he thought was weak it was not)
Here is a quote of his answer:
cuando quieras RAM me acerco a tu pueblo y te lo digo a la puta cara, que no me corto un pelo, y si hace falta te doy dos ostias
Translation:
"when you want, RAM, I'll get near of your town and tell that to your diddlying face, as I wont stop myself. And if it is needed, I'll give you a couple of
("hostias"----->spanish words for punches, hits...etc.)"
First of all and rest assured ,I've already taken his gantlet, and I'm still waiting for his email confirming where and when does he want to repeat those words in my face and give me the two "hostias". He has supposedly sent one email to me (but it is a lie, of course, as nothing was received on this end)-.
Note that in no moment I threatened him phisically nor I said I'd go looking for him to see if he'd say that face to face. I say that if our pathes happen to cross someday, I'll see if he has the guts to repeat that face to face.
His answer?. I dont threat him phisically, and he does it instantly while saying he will come directly to my town. Need to say more? :)
But I just wanted you people to see how this piece of toejam called passao handles a proper and adequate answer to an unproper post.
I won't translate the "creative" passage where he asks me what do I do with my finger in my prettythang,about my sexual preferences, or asking wether if I was raped as a child by a group of gay gypsies who tore my prettythang open (and this is almost what he said, literally) because after what I avobe mentioned, Is not needed. It would be gratuite.
Is curious that this scumbag comes here calling me "Tocahuevos" because he says I clutter the forums, yet he then gives jewels as those...of course, as he was saying them in spanish...it was allright, true pasadin? :)
so...
Originally posted by pasao:
Returning to english, just some notations
said: full of insults and crap, seems near to incredible.
Yes passao. And almost all insults and crap came directly from you. nice you know to admit you did it :)
P.S. Pasao, aun estoy esperando tu mail para ver cuando arrastras tus cojones por aqui. Y en cuanto a las hostias...bueno, eso ya lo arreglaremos en persona si tienes las pelotas de venir por aqui ...porque si no las tienes tranquilo que se va a enterar todo el mundo de que aparte de un reprimido y patetico, eres un cobarde :D.
(Translation: I tell him I'm still waiting the email he's supposed to have sent me, and that regarding the "hostias", that we'll settle that if he has the guts to come to see me).
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OH my, just grow up for pete's sake!
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Ram, i am just waiting the first oportunity to cross our ways, waiting for the first convention in anywhere, just as we could do at Sabadell..... or any cause I must go to bilbao. What i say i do, not only a big mouth as you.
I would have send the mail if my mail server will function right, as i couldn't do it i post it at BBS as soon as i finished to write it, now at home i send it again to you, not advance what you don't kow, you are staying paints down.....
Keep on in you way as toca-huevos, just raising your idiot grade, allways in you line.
I never like people like you RAM, plz don't help me with your highly searched data or metaphysical deductions about the angels sex or the lack of 5 MPH at low level in a 190, perhaps if they inflate a bit less the landing geat tyres with the less weight the plane can runs a bit more, this is the level of your planteations.
Eat your own toejam RAM, please don't get bored me with ultra long without end post, if your life is as empty as the speed of a 190 is a life question, really you have a problem.
Spanish:
Siempre hago lo que digo y si no pregunta a quien me conoce, y te dire a la puta cara lo que quiera y mas y tu tan bocas no has de mover un puto dedo de acojonado que estaras, eres un bocas mas
Tranlation:
I always do what I said, else ask people who knows me, and i will say you face to your squeak face what i want and more, and you the big mouth, will not have to move only a finger because you are too fear to do something you are only a big mouth more
pasao
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Ram shut up.
HiTech
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HT plese lock this thread.
thanks