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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: pervert on November 22, 2009, 05:24:39 AM
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Just spotted this on yootube the spit's cockpit is really small but the 109 is REALLY small and has no cigarette lighter or stereo!! but interesting films :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9YVei2Yb_k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9YVei2Yb_k)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFj8NDqZhlc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFj8NDqZhlc&feature=related)
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Good find. I recommend watching these.
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I did'nt think 109 cockpit was that small lol
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I did'nt think 109 cockpit was that small lol
It wasn't he's sitting in a 7:10 scale replica in the museum :neener:
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I did'nt think 109 cockpit was that small lol
It was a surprise to me just how small the cockpit was in a 109. Must have been horrifically uncomfortable on longer sorties (Thinking of in Russia here)
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Cool videos,very interesting :aok
Pipz
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I really wish he'd stop talking crap about that 109. Its really annoying.
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I really wish he'd stop talking crap about that 109. Its really annoying.
Sounds like he gave a fairly unbiased account of both aircraft, whether negative or positive.
I hope your joking, otherwise get over it....
Strip
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He said the same basic things I've heard from almost every pilot, even German vets, who have sat in both aircraft. They both have shortcomings, but the Spitfire's cockpit is far better for combat.
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The 109 was very cramped, defiantly not anywhere near the standard of my beloved Spitfire!
R.J. Mitchell, I salute you!
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The 109 was very cramped, defiantly not anywhere near the standard of my beloved Spitfire!
R.J. Mitchell, I salute you!
Actually I was really shocked by how small the cockpit in the spitfire was as well :O
I really wish he'd stop talking crap about that 109. Its really annoying.
He was giving an impartial evaluation based I take it on cockpit design in general there was a fair bit he does and doesn't like about the 109 and the spitfire if you watched that video as well. I've watched a lot of interviews with spit and 109 pilots and the reoccurring theme is that its who is in the cockpit that counts, also seen videos claiming the 109s awkward box canopy was there because the technology to mass produce optically excellent curved plexglass didn't exist then, the guy in the cockpit of the spit talks about the distorted view from the front quarter glass section he doesn't however comment on the view through the bubble hood I'll try digging the clips up but the root argument was that long range visibility was better in the 109 :headscratch:
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"under which all manner of nastiness could be going on" :rofl
Fantastic. Also I figured the 109 cockpit was tiny due to pilot anecdotes I have heard, but that was nuts. Good thing people were a bit shorter back then... :aok
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I am only 5'9", but it made me think that even I would have trouble squeezing in there. Now, if I were 19 again and weighed 160lbs, it might be easier. :D
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I am only 5'9", but it made me think that even I would have trouble squeezing in there. Now, if I were 19 again and weighed 160lbs, it might be easier. :D
Yea it did look like that gentleman was a pretty tall guy, so it makes sense that he didn't really fit. That being said, I wouldn't want to get in there at 6'1" 190. :uhoh Good thing I can fit in my G2/G6 in game :)
I wonder the Luftwaffe ever switched pilots around according to their physical build? I'd imagine they would have to, but I can't recall ever seeing a document indicating size requirements...anyone help me out here?
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I did'nt think 109 cockpit was that small lol
I HAD READ that they were small....but had no clue they were THATsmall
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Yea it did look like that gentleman was a pretty tall guy, so it makes sense that he didn't really fit. That being said, I wouldn't want to get in there at 6'1" 190. :uhoh Good thing I can fit in my G2/G6 in game :)
I wonder the Luftwaffe ever switched pilots around according to their physical build? I'd imagine they would have to, but I can't recall ever seeing a document indicating size requirements...anyone help me out here?
Not a LW expert by any means but it wouldn't surprise me if the LW did have size requirements for fighter pilots, at least prior to, or early in the war. I would imagine they got less picky as situations developed. I believe the U.S. had pre-war restrictions that were loosened up somewhat in the haste to build up the armed forces after '41. For instance the P-39 went as far as to have a non-adjustable/fixed seat and the cockpit was designed for pilots not over 5' 8" in height and 160 pounds. Later the weight allocation was raised to 200lbs which was standard at the time.
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I found a video where his last words were clipped off. He says of the 109 "I think its terrible." referring to the cockpit. Some of the other comments by others on the show regarding the other aspects of the two aircraft were a lot more favorable for the Bf109.
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As a test, I watched the 109 clip with the sound off, and just looked at it and at the things he pointed out, so I wouldn't be swayed by his opinion. I even avoided looking at his facial expressions.
My overall impression fits with the "it's terrible" description.
To be fair though, there is a 109 fuselage/cockpit section at the museum near here, and I'd already come to that general conclusion years ago... If anything, my impression was made worse by seeing that fellow squeeze into it.
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My overall impression fits with the "it's terrible" description.
To be fair though, there is a 109 fuselage/cockpit section at the museum near here, and I'd already come to that general conclusion years ago... If anything, my impression was made worse by seeing that fellow squeeze into it.
Terrible or not in our opinion this plane was piloted by the highest scoring pilots of WW2 Hartmann Marseille etc they where also pilots who put a lot of importance on seeing the enemy before he seen you so the 109 couldn't have been that much of a nightmare regards visibility
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What a terribly cramped and uncomfortable way to die for the Fatherland.
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It's a part of a Luftwaffe welfare program for pilots.
Obesity is not good for health - so, to maintain their pilots in top condition, they give them a plane with small cockpits.
I think it runs along the same line as giving them those leather thongs - just try imagine and compare Moelders and Goering in
one of those thongs... one's mmmmmmmmmm~ the other's yuck!
.. wait, did that sound gay?
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Only if you slapped yourself on your lederhosened butt, dear feller - ooooooooh!
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