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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: zarkov on November 23, 2009, 08:10:38 PM
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Hello, all.
Suggest a joystick for me. I need a twisty joystick as I don't have rudder pedals (and am unlikely to purchase a set) and I need a joystick that's either got Vista drivers or whose drivers work in Vista.
'Nuff said.
Fire away and thanks in advance!
Z
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Saitek Av8r
'nuff said. :rock :aok
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Well I dont have vista but I use the X52. :joystick:
(http://stavos.homeip.net/detroitarchive/uploadcenter/images/x52.jpg)
I been using it for almost 3 years, works great! :old:
Joystick
* Precision centering mechanism, non-contact technology on X and Y axes and constant spring force reduce free play, improve control and increase durability
* 2-stage metal trigger; 2 primary buttons in 1 convenient position
* 4 fire buttons including missile launcher with spring-loaded safety cover for instant access
* Conveniently positioned metal pinkie switch provides shift functionality to double up on programmable commands
* 2 X 8-way Hat Switches
* 3D rudder twist
* 3-position rotary mode selector switch with LED indicators
* 3 spring-loaded, base-mounted toggle switches for up to 6 programmable flight commands
* 5-position handle adjustment system to suit all hand sizes
Throttle
* Progressive throttle with tension adjustment, detents for afterburner and idle
* 2 fire buttons
* Scroll wheel with built-in button
* Mouse controller / hat switch with left mouse button
* 8-way hat switch
* 2 x rotary controls
* Smooth-action slider control
* Clutch button initiates ‘safe mode’ to allow on-the-fly profile selection, or to display button functionality without activating
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Saitek Av8r
'nuff said. :rock :aok
Yup... I use the same one:
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/woosle_2006/4102-1-1.jpg)
2 throttle controls that you can lock together or move independently.
4 - 2way toggle switches giving you 8 buttons on the base
8 position hat switch on the stick
2 position mode switch
"twisty stick"
large main trigger
3 buttons on top of the stick, one of which has a "trigger guard" you can use to prevent unwanted bomb drops.
Think I picked mine up for around $40.00 US at Best Buy.
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X52 :aok
Get the pedals too!
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I use the Saitek Av8r but don't care for it much.
Before my Av8r, I used a Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro. It lasted about 10 years. Not sure if it is made anymore, but that would be my first suggestion
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Having used Saitek's of various types & switching to CH I would have to go with CH. Then again I don't use Vista?
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I use the Saitek Av8r but don't care for it much.
Before my Av8r, I used a Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro. It lasted about 10 years. Not sure if it is made anymore, but that would be my first suggestion
I got the Sidewinder and I've had it for a good 5 years or so and I've never had an issue with it.
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CH gives you the most for the money. CH products are a long term investment. You hear very few stories of CH products crapping out, the same cant be said about saitek.
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I've actually got a MS Sidewinder Precision 2 but its drivers are only partially compatible with Vista and I occasionally get weird problems with it and new drivers are unavailable (thanks for nothing MS!).
Sooo...time to buy a new joystick and retire an old and faithful soldier.
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Seeing as he said he was unlikely to buy Rudder Pedals, isn't CH out? I've never used CH, but I have always heard they do not make Twisty Stick.
I personally, wish Logitech had better life-spans, that's their fallback. Saitek, from the ones I've used had a slightly higher durability, but the tensions normally sucked, example: X-52 I used had no tension at all past 5-10%, but that 5-10% was like fighting an Ox.
But honestly, since there aren't really any really really durable Twisty stick, your best bet would find the one that fits your hand best. :)
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I use the X-52Pro and I actually do have Vista. I have had this stick for a about year and a half. I wish there was a way to have my ammo counters show up on the MFD. But none the less, no complaints on its function.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y39/SuperKungFu/x52prora5.jpg)
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I use the $20 st290 pro and i pwn 99% of the people that have and will post in this thread :aok
Go cheap bro
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CH Fighterstick, Pro Pedals here and I use Vista.
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X52's on 2 computers, both running Visturd, no problems with the old set my son uses and it's about 5 years old, had some issues with the new set I'm using, but after taking it apart and tightening the sensors(which were loose from the factory) and making sure the wires were all connected fully, I haven't had a problem with it for 2 years now.
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I'm looking into the new Saitek X65F, it's not due to be sold until December but it looks like it could be a very good stick and throttle system, it also has split throttle capability for twin engine fighters.
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Seeing as he said he was unlikely to buy Rudder Pedals, isn't CH out? I've never used CH, but I have always heard they do not make Twisty Stick.
Not anymore they don't but I'm sure you can find the CH Gamerstick 14 on ebay.
ack-ack
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Sidewinder Force Feedback 2
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/411SX7TGGZL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
Still numero uno just don't punch it. :rock
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CH Combatstick
CH Pro Throttle (very, very handy - probably way more than you'd think, because of all the buttons and switches)
rudder pedals (I had the Saitek ones till they got fried, and they were fine - people like the CH pedals too)
Seriously consider getting the pedals, even though you said you probably wouldn't. I think they are very worth it. And the external throttle is mucho handy. With my CH Pro Throttle I have so many more buttons and switches that in tanks and planes both, in AH, I have pretty much everything I would need to do in flight programmed to a button or switch on either my joystick or throttle, and only have to reach up to the keyboard to type something into the chat channels. It's amazingly useful to have everything available at one's fingertips this way.
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Had Hotas Cougar. Sold it now been CH for years. Never looked back. IMO Cogar is overblown and was buggy as hell.
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Yup... I use the same one:
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/woosle_2006/4102-1-1.jpg)
2 throttle controls that you can lock together or move independently.
4 - 2way toggle switches giving you 8 buttons on the base
8 position hat switch on the stick
2 position mode switch
"twisty stick"
large main trigger
3 buttons on top of the stick, one of which has a "trigger guard" you can use to prevent unwanted bomb drops.
Think I picked mine up for around $40.00 US at Best Buy.
I hate that stick !
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thrustmaster 16000 you can buy it for 40 bucks. and i agree with bipolar go cheep
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h153/cphantom2002/LD0000691474_2.jpg)
At the core of the Thrustmaster T.16000M is a technology called H.E.A.R.T. (Hall Effect AccuRate Technology), which uses magnetic sensors to boost the flightstick's accuracy to 16,000 x 16,000 DPI resolution. What that means to gamers is that they gain a frictionless controller with unmatched precision and response. Additional features include built-in rudder controls that can be accessed by twisting the stick, programmable side buttons, a four direction hat switch and a throttle slider on the base. To top it all off, the package comes with tools to change over the padding for left-handed users.
The T.16000M can be purchased by itself or bundled with Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X, and in many ways, it seems like this flightstick was practically custom made for this game. This USB controller installs without a hassle. Windows XP and Vista detect it automatically once it's plugged in, and it's already configured to support all H.A.W.X controls. The base has a decent weight to it and the non-slip pads ensured that it didn't slide around, even during some of the most intense moments. Having one hand on the stick and the other on the base to access button controls like flares and the ERS system takes some getting used to, but it's a small issue to overcome.
Our experience with the T.16000M yielded very positive results. The flightstick is tough and sturdy while providing top-notch performance. Response is excellent and there was absolutely no hassle with installation. With all its built-in features, there really isn't much more anyone can ask from a $50 joystick. However, one also has to keep in mind that there aren't as many flight simulators out for the PC as there once were. Even the long-running Microsoft Flight Simulator may see its end, since its development studio closed earlier this year, making H.A.W.X and possibly a small handful of other games the only ones would make full use out of a high-precision flightstick. So, in order to justify the purchase, you'd have to enjoy H.A.W.X very much or play a number of legacy flight/space simulators. The good news for H.A.W.X fans is that the T.16000M makes a tremendous difference in gameplay. Not only does it immerse players in the game, but the device actually improved our game. Our success rate and performance in playing H.A.W.X nearly doubled when compared to using the mouse and keyboard or Xbox 360 gamepad. Whether that kind of performance boost is worth buying a controller for the sake of one game is up to the player.
We recommend the Thrustmaster T.16000M to gamers who want to get the most out of their Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X experience. It provides the precision and control that gives players a definite advantage. However, more casual players may want to stay with what they have.
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I'm looking into the new Saitek X65F, it's not due to be sold until December but it looks like it could be a very good stick and throttle system, it also has split throttle capability for twin engine fighters.
Just an FYI...do a little research on the next Saitek offering...there is not going to be any movement in the stick axis itself...it is only going to be pressure sensitive and if you are playing a prop sim then that is generally not a good combination.
Forewarned, forearmed; to be prepared is half the victory.
Miguel de Cervantes
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Sidewinder Force Feedback 2
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/411SX7TGGZL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
Still numero uno just don't punch it. :rock
I would not take a $1.000 buck's for mine . Tryed all the other stick's and think I will stay with the sidewinder FF .
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I use a Saitek X52, I have had it for about 4 years. It has spent a few years in the dust and grime of Iraq, packed and traveled on R+R, more than a couple of times, and the only thing that is wrong with it is the chrome plating, and some of the printing is coming off. The one thing that I did was take 2 zipp ties and tie the spring on the joystick up a little so it loosened the spring on the joystick up. Oh and the dull coat on the throttle is flacking off where my wedding ring sets.
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thrustmaster 16000 you can buy it for 40 bucks. and i agree with bipolar go cheep
Well , When you are as good as BiPoLaR ,you don't need a good stick . Hell he can probity use a mouse and do just as good .
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... And when you get shot down, you can always claim it's because of the mouse. (Which it probably is, but...) :)
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thrustmaster 16000 you can buy it for 40 bucks. and i agree with bipolar go cheep
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h153/cphantom2002/LD0000691474_2.jpg)
At the core of the Thrustmaster T.16000M is a technology called H.E.A.R.T. (Hall Effect AccuRate Technology), which uses magnetic sensors to boost the flightstick's accuracy to 16,000 x 16,000 DPI resolution. What that means to gamers is that they gain a frictionless controller with unmatched precision and response. Additional features include built-in rudder controls that can be accessed by twisting the stick, programmable side buttons, a four direction hat switch and a throttle slider on the base. To top it all off, the package comes with tools to change over the padding for left-handed users.
The T.16000M can be purchased by itself or bundled with Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X, and in many ways, it seems like this flightstick was practically custom made for this game. This USB controller installs without a hassle. Windows XP and Vista detect it automatically once it's plugged in, and it's already configured to support all H.A.W.X controls. The base has a decent weight to it and the non-slip pads ensured that it didn't slide around, even during some of the most intense moments. Having one hand on the stick and the other on the base to access button controls like flares and the ERS system takes some getting used to, but it's a small issue to overcome.
Our experience with the T.16000M yielded very positive results. The flightstick is tough and sturdy while providing top-notch performance. Response is excellent and there was absolutely no hassle with installation. With all its built-in features, there really isn't much more anyone can ask from a $50 joystick. However, one also has to keep in mind that there aren't as many flight simulators out for the PC as there once were. Even the long-running Microsoft Flight Simulator may see its end, since its development studio closed earlier this year, making H.A.W.X and possibly a small handful of other games the only ones would make full use out of a high-precision flightstick. So, in order to justify the purchase, you'd have to enjoy H.A.W.X very much or play a number of legacy flight/space simulators. The good news for H.A.W.X fans is that the T.16000M makes a tremendous difference in gameplay. Not only does it immerse players in the game, but the device actually improved our game. Our success rate and performance in playing H.A.W.X nearly doubled when compared to using the mouse and keyboard or Xbox 360 gamepad. Whether that kind of performance boost is worth buying a controller for the sake of one game is up to the player.
We recommend the Thrustmaster T.16000M to gamers who want to get the most out of their Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X experience. It provides the precision and control that gives players a definite advantage. However, more casual players may want to stay with what they have.
:aok
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I use a Saitek X52, I have had it for about 4 years. It has spent a few years in the dust and grime of Iraq, packed and traveled on R+R, more than a couple of times, and the only thing that is wrong with it is the chrome plating, and some of the printing is coming off. The one thing that I did was take 2 zipp ties and tie the spring on the joystick up a little so it loosened the spring on the joystick up. Oh and the dull coat on the throttle is flacking off where my wedding ring sets.
x2 zipp ties :x
I could have sat in a darkened room for 5 years and never though of that. :aok
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I use a Saitek X52, ..... The one thing that I did was take 2 zipp ties and tie the spring on the joystick up a little so it loosened the spring on the joystick up. .....
Did the opposite to my X52, wanted tighter spring action. Used a plastic milk jug cap as a spacer between the bottom of the flight-stick handle and top of the spring to give a little more spring force..if you will, to the flight-stick. Feels better than the floppy original spring stiffness.
Before modification.
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a252/chewiex73/X52mod005.jpg)
Plastic cap with hole cut for the flight-stick shaft.
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a252/chewiex73/X52mod006.jpg)
Home-made spring shim after installation.
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a252/chewiex73/X52mod001.jpg)
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:aok :old: