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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Clone155 on November 29, 2009, 12:30:04 AM
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On most combat airplanes, they have a country insignia on the wing. My question is what was the French insignia in World War II?
Also, we have a skin on the P40 that has a blue circle with a white star and a red circle inside of the star, was this just another American insignia?
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On most combat airplanes, they have a country insignia on the wing. My question is what was the French insignia in World War II?
Also, we have a skin on the P40 that has a blue circle with a white star and a red circle inside of the star, was this just another American insignia?
I think the french one was like the british marking and I think the other one might be china?
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(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/bell_p39/P39Q_CGII9.png)
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(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/bell_p39/P39Q_CGII9.png)
Yeah there's the french one!
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On most combat airplanes, they have a country insignia on the wing. My question is what was the French insignia in World War II?
This is known as a roundel. This is the roundel of the French Armee de l'Air since WWI.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/French-roundel.svg/180px-French-roundel.svg.png)
This was later copied (albeit with the red and white switched) by the British.
Also, we have a skin on the P40 that has a blue circle with a white star and a red circle inside of the star, was this just another American insignia?
Yes
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Wow that is similar. Can someone post a picture of a French roundel and a British roundel side by side?
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/French-roundel.svg/500px-French-roundel.svg.png) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/RAF_roundel.svg/600px-RAF_roundel.svg.png)
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Other not-so-common roundels you will encounter are that of-
The Republic of China Air Force
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Republic_of_China_National_Emblem.svg/270px-Republic_of_China_National_Emblem.svg.png)
the Finnish Air Force (animation shows how the roundel was changed in 1945 due to the swastika's identification with Nazism)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Change_from_the_old_swastika_to_white-blue-white_insignia_of_the_Finnish_air_force_in_1945.gif)
the Romanian Air Force
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Roundel_of_the_Romanian_Air_Force_%281941-1944%29.svg/100px-Roundel_of_the_Romanian_Air_Force_%281941-1944%29.svg.png)
And Later
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Roundel_of_the_Romanian_Air_Force.svg/100px-Roundel_of_the_Romanian_Air_Force.svg.png)
the Regia Aeronautica (Fascist Italy)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Italy-Royal-Airforce.svg/200px-Italy-Royal-Airforce.svg.png)
I don't think any other airforces are represented in game other than the Aeronautica Nazionale Republicana (post armistice Italians fighting for Germany) which pretty much recycled RA insignia, and the Italian Co-Belligerent Air Force which fought with the allies, which had a French-style roundel that went, from the outside, Green-white-red (going from memory)
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Another question. What are the standards for earning assists? Twice today I have peppered two separate guys with 4-5 30cal rounds, but when he dies, nothing.
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Those three-color roundels are more accurately known as 'cockades'. They go back as a distinguishing insignia to well before the American Revolution, when designs made of cloth or silk would be pinned onto the side of a cap (or painted on a leather or brass helmet), usually on the left, to signify the soldiers national or political alliance. They continued in use well into the 20th century, especially in Germany. Those red-black-white roundels on the sides of Pickelhauben and the front of field caps are an evolution of the same idea.
(http://www.jarnaginco.com/artwork/catalog/rev_war/5002.jpg)
(http://www.jarnaginco.com/artwork/catalog/rev_war/5003.jpg)
The simple black cockade seen above was the American design (at least among the Continentals) until the alliance with the French was announced, when it was ordered that a white center would be added to the cockade to commemorate it.
Before-
(http://cockedhats.com/images/brit_cocked_08_zaod.jpg)
After-
(http://cockedhats.com/images/bound_nivernois.jpg)
You can also see the German ones on these two below-
(where the chin strap attaches to the Pickelhaube)
(http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeo7abf/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pickelhaubeinfmapreure.jpg)
(and on the front of the field cap)
(http://www.soldat.com/Mutz_Imp_Army.jpg)
And, of course, still in use for that in WWII-
(http://www.replicaters.com/ww2%20German%20Luftwaffe%20uniforms/Luftwaffe%20visor%20cap.jpg)
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Nice one, Treize. You always come up with some interesting stuff. :aok
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correct me if im wrong but the blue circle with the white star is what was on the AVG flying tigers planes right?
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yuppers.. dont think ive seen one with a red circle inside the white star before though....
(http://rolexlaf.homestead.com/files/p402.jpg)
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Oh....I thought the French insignia was a white flag..... :D :bolt:
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Oh....I thought the French insignia was a white flag..... :D :bolt:
Bingo! :)
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correct me if im wrong but the blue circle with the white star is what was on the AVG flying tigers planes right?
That is the insignia of Nationalist China.
The US had an early marking that included a red dot in the center of the star. I always assumed it was discontinued due to the possibility of confusion with the red circle of the Japanese aircraft.
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This is the one I was talking about.
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff116/clone155/ahss12.jpg)
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On most combat airplanes, they have a country insignia on the wing. My question is what was the French insignia in World War II?
Also, we have a skin on the P40 that has a blue circle with a white star and a red circle inside of the star, was this just another American insignia?
white flag? :noid
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Im thinkin its the American Voluenteer Programs insignia. But i dont know for sure.
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This is the one I was talking about.
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff116/clone155/ahss12.jpg)
Thats just the pre-1942 US Insignia. Red disk was removed to avoid confusion with the meatball.
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Thats just the pre-1942 US Insignia. Red disk was removed to avoid confusion with the meatball.
Winner!
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On most combat airplanes, they have a country insignia on the wing. My question is what was the French insignia in World War II?
Also, we have a skin on the P40 that has a blue circle with a white star and a red circle inside of the star, was this just another American insignia?
At various stages of WW2 the US national insignia changed, first there was the blue roundel with the with star with the red ball in the middle of the star. I believe they changed that because of the Japanese meatball resembling it so they eliminated the red ball and the insignia became just a white star inside a larger blue one. At one point they put a yellow circle around the blue circle signifying a specail operation in North Africa called "Operation Torch". The insignia then had the 2 rectangle bars placed on either side and had a red outline around the entire insignia. Later they removed the red out line all together. After WW2 they then put a blue outling around the insignia and then I believe in 1947 when the army air corp became the United states Air Force they added the redbars in the middle of the side bars.
I think that all army air corp planes also had "US Army" painted across the bottoms of their wings up until the transition to the insignia with the side bars. Hope this helps.