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Title: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: AKP on December 02, 2009, 08:02:26 PM
First of all, I think damage scored is a nice add, (not needed, but nice) but... I have a few questions and comments.

1)  I understand the change to show damage scored when you land a bomber... but there are no longer kill messages shown for the B-25H when landing kills in it... even if I am in attack mode instead of bomber mode, and damage no objects, just other players.  It seems reasonable that if the B-25H is being scored as an attack plane, it should show an arena message on the number of kills landed... given that it is likely to have scored kills against GV's... and that is it's role.  I do understand that you still get credit for the kills in your score... so no complaints there.  But it would just be nice to see the heavy attackers (B-25H / A-20) get the arena announcements as follows:

When in Attack Mode: Arena Announcement for Kills Landed
When in Bomber Mode: Arena Announcement for Damage

2) Also... is there a lower limit on the amount of damage you have to do get "get your name in lights"?  If not, they seem a little pointless, as everytime someone even drops a field gun, they will get a damage awarded message broadcast to the whole arena.

3)  And on a final note, I took out a cruiser and scored hits on a CV in a flight of B-24's.  In the arena, it showed that I landed over 11,700,000 damage points???  :huh  Which umm... seemed a little outrageous to say the least.  When I looked at my score, (and this was the first time I had flown in bombers this tour) it showed 70766.06 total damage points.  Not sure how the math works on that... can someone explain?
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: Flipperk on December 02, 2009, 08:14:55 PM
First of all, I think damage scored is a nice add, (not needed, but nice) but... I have a few questions and comments.

1)  I understand the change to show damage scored when you land a bomber... but there are no longer kill messages shown for the B-25H when landing kills in it... even if I am in attack mode instead of bomber mode, and damage no objects, just other players.  It seems reasonable that if the B-25H is being scored as an attack plane, it should show an arena message on the number of kills landed... given that it is likely to have scored kills against GV's... and that is it's role.  I do understand that you still get credit for the kills in your score... so no complaints there.  But it would just be nice to see the heavy attackers (B-25H / A-20) get the arena announcements as follows:

When in Attack Mode: Arena Announcement for Kills Landed
When in Bomber Mode: Arena Announcement for Damage

2) Also... is there a lower limit on the amount of damage you have to do get "get your name in lights"?  If not, they seem a little pointless, as everytime someone even drops a field gun, they will get a damage awarded message broadcast to the whole arena.

3)  And on a final note, I took out a cruiser and scored hits on a CV in a flight of B-24's.  In the arena, it showed that I landed over 11,700,000 damage points???  :huh  Which umm... seemed a little outrageous to say the least.  When I looked at my score, (and this was the first time I had flown in bombers this tour) it showed 70766.06 total damage points.  Not sure how the math works on that... can someone explain?
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Thats why I wont go to Texas A&M   :D
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: bagrat on December 02, 2009, 08:19:46 PM
i got 18,000,000 points on bomber run can u beat my score? BRT HIGH SCORE :rock
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: AKP on December 02, 2009, 08:24:56 PM
i got 18,000,000 points on bomber run can u beat my score? BRT HIGH SCORE :rock

My point exactly...  the numbers are meaningless if we have nothing to gauge them by.  They dont equate to anything in the scoring/ranking system (unlike number of kills).  And there is no way to judge how many, or what type of targets were destroyed.

I think its great to see the buff pilots get some time in the spotlight... but we need it to mean something.

And I wasn't bragging bagrat... just pointing out that the in arena score does not match up with the one shown in your rank.  So  :neener:
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: Lusche on December 02, 2009, 08:30:49 PM
Yup, abstract 8-digit numbers aren't very telling and will probably just get ignored even by many buff pilots:  "Wait, did he land 812,367 or 8,123,667 points?" :headscratch:

It's also not very nice to take GV kills landin announcement away from Il2's and b-25's...
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: stodd on December 02, 2009, 08:34:10 PM
i got 18,000,000 points on bomber run can u beat my score? BRT HIGH SCORE :rock
20,865,488 and 2 spits.  :P 


Was bored dont hate.
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: Shuffler on December 02, 2009, 11:29:10 PM
I find it amusing and a waste of buffer space
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: bravoa8 on December 02, 2009, 11:30:37 PM
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Thats why I wont go to Texas A&M   :D
:rofl :rofl :rofl I'm a longhorn fan myself. ;)
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: Shuffler on December 02, 2009, 11:31:55 PM
My Daughter was a UT fan all her life..... she is a freshman at A&M now because they are one of the top 3 in the country for Meteorology.
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: PFactorDave on December 02, 2009, 11:34:04 PM
I find it amusing and a waste of buffer space

Agreed

+1
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: Krusty on December 03, 2009, 01:54:03 AM
You apparently don't fly bombers much....

It's been requested since way way back. Some way of showing bomber achievment. Kills don't really count, especially since you can have a super successful mission without landing any kills.
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: Lusche on December 03, 2009, 01:56:17 AM
Oh, the idea is great, just the execution seems a bit .. err... improvised and leaves a lot to be desired .
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: Chalenge on December 03, 2009, 01:56:48 AM
Blatant attempt to rob the bomber pilots of their new found glory!  :mad:
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: AKP on December 03, 2009, 01:58:17 AM
You apparently don't fly bombers much....

It's been requested since way way back. Some way of showing bomber achievment. Kills don't really count, especially since you can have a super successful mission without landing any kills.

 :huh  Maybe that was directed to someone else.  I fly bombers quite often.  And I do think that it's a nice added feature.  But I think they need to make the damage points that come up in the text buffer match what hits your score sheet.  And I also think that if you choose the "attack" option, you get kills to show up in the arena notification instead.  
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: Krusty on December 03, 2009, 02:08:47 AM
It was aimed at dave and shuffler's replies that it's "a waste of space"
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: Lusche on December 03, 2009, 02:09:27 AM
Blatant attempt to rob the bomber pilots of their new found glory!  :mad:

In the current implementation, there ain't much glory, just a bunch of numbers too huge to be recognized at a glance ;)


IMO -
- there there should be transparency, i.e. at least make those numbers equivalent to score points and not strange gazillion numbers
- set a minimum level. I saw people land anything from 10000 to 20000000
- formatting! Make it 153K instead of 153785 or 1230K instead of 1230187 points
- At least kills in attack mode should be announced again, or better yet: Kills of planes & GV in atack mode, kills of planes in bomber mode (it IS quite an achievement to land 4 or 5 kills in a bomber!)

Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: 5PointOh on December 03, 2009, 02:14:53 AM
I'd rather see for buffs :System: Snailman landed 43 structures in a B-17G or something to that effect.  Yes I know it could be an ack gun or whatever, but for right now just seems like buffer spam.
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: Chalenge on December 03, 2009, 02:23:27 AM
In the current implementation, there ain't much glory, just a bunch of numbers too huge to be recognized at a glance ;)


IMO -
- there there should be transparency, i.e. at least make those numbers equivalent to score points and not strange gazillion numbers
- set a minimum level. I saw people land anything from 10000 to 20000000
- formatting! Make it 153K instead of 153785 or 1230K instead of 1230187 points
- At least kills in attack mode should be announced again, or better yet: Kills of planes & GV in atack mode, kills of planes in bomber mode (it IS quite an achievement to land 4 or 5 kills in a bomber!)



I wasnt talking about AKPs post but the posts from guys that could care less about bombers and you know who I mean.
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: Ratpack1 on December 03, 2009, 02:31:40 AM
If there is one thing I dislike more than random non qualitative numbers, it's agreeing with the man who said this!  :bolt:

I find it amusing and a waste of buffer space
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: Crash Orange on December 03, 2009, 02:59:34 AM
If we're going to get anything in lights for buffs, I really think we should see announcements for CVs and escorts sunk. That's much tougher than flattening hangers or strats: ships move, they shoot back, and they're  more likely to be defended.
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: JunkyII on December 03, 2009, 03:26:42 AM
It seems like a easy way for the new guys to get their names "in the light" Just in 2 hours I saw more zip codes on the buffer then I ever have, unless they were asking for help :aok
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: SunBat on December 03, 2009, 05:58:14 AM
Eventually a standard will be set in everyone's mind for an uber run,  good run, average run, weak run, etc. as ppl become more familiar with the numbers. It has already started in this very thread with Stodd bragging about his 20 million points compared to the others that posted numbers.

Having said that, it would be better to have it match the scoring but still, it is just a comparison of numbers that become familiar only because of how they relate to each other and the intrinsic change will only be in the magnitude of the number. .02 from a rare bomber pilot.

P.S.  Stodd, you go girl!  LOL.  :smile
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: waystin2 on December 03, 2009, 10:16:00 AM

It's also not very nice to take GV kills landin announcement away from Il2's and b-25's...

Please fix HTC... :aok
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: RTHolmes on December 03, 2009, 10:25:22 AM
It was aimed at dave and shuffler's replies that it's "a waste of space"

I'm with them on this.
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: mechanic on December 03, 2009, 10:33:02 AM
A20 and B25 kills should display in attack mode in my opinon.

For example, Snaphook, or Cobia38: Two dedicated A20 pilots would use their aircraft in attack mode as a dogfighting machine. Seems unfair to stope them landing their kills.



+1 for attack mode landing kills and bomber mode landing points.
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: horble on December 03, 2009, 12:39:26 PM
Perhaps change it to 'XXXXXXX destroyed XXX buildings in a XXXX'?
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: Shuffler on December 03, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
I'm still waiting to see if you don't get full points if you bail.....
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: DCCBOSS on December 03, 2009, 01:16:57 PM
I think this would be the best way { xxx destroyed 4 hangers, 3 vehicles & one air kill in 24b or soemthing like that }
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: DMBEAR on December 03, 2009, 01:22:26 PM
Can you squelch damage messages?

If not, I'd like to be able to.
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: hubsonfire on December 03, 2009, 02:43:40 PM
waste of text buffer space.
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: StokesAk on December 03, 2009, 02:47:19 PM
I find it amusing and a waste of buffer space

+1 i dont see why they would add this feature.
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: 68ZooM on December 03, 2009, 05:17:04 PM
+1 i dont see why they would add this feature.

 honestly i think we might see more a practice of people bombing undefended bases far away from any fighting just to see "Your Name In Lights"  damage should go from  *&^% Landed 1,927,999,000 points  to something like   &&^% landed with 2 Hangers 4 AA guns destroyed or 12 buildings destroyed , or just make it to where you see your score (Fighters and Bombers, GV,s) when your in the tower after landing NOT on the text bar, seems real cluttered now
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: crazyivan on December 03, 2009, 05:26:59 PM
I think this would be the best way { xxx destroyed 4 hangers, 3 vehicles & one air kill in 24b or soemthing like that }
Sure then I'd like to crazy landed 1 hander 2gvs and 8 town builds in a hellcat gezz what crock!
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: crazyivan on December 03, 2009, 05:29:09 PM
Can you squelch damage messages?

If not, I'd like to be able to.
Seroiusly, get your own text buffer! And wth happened to il2' , b5n's landing air kills. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: caldera on December 03, 2009, 05:31:08 PM
How about it saying:   "So and So dropped  4,100 lbs. on target"  -   only showing accurate ordinance delivery?


I landed two in the B5N last night to no arena message.   :(    Kills landed should be kills landed.
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: USRanger on December 03, 2009, 05:45:19 PM
IMO the version update announcement should have came with an explanation of how it works, i.e. why the need for the crazy point amounts. :headscratch:  Surely, a more realist number for this stuff makes sense to even us dummies.
Title: Re: Arena Damage Announcements... Questions and Comments.
Post by: stodd on December 03, 2009, 05:51:41 PM
Eventually a standard will be set in everyone's mind for an uber run,  good run, average run, weak run, etc. as ppl become more familiar with the numbers. It has already started in this very thread with Stodd bragging about his 20 million points compared to the others that posted numbers.

Having said that, it would be better to have it match the scoring but still, it is just a comparison of numbers that become familiar only because of how they relate to each other and the intrinsic change will only be in the magnitude of the number. .02 from a rare bomber pilot.

P.S.  Stodd, you go girl!  LOL.  :smile
:lol Yes I consider it one of my finest accomplishments. <G>