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Title: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: fuzeman on December 03, 2009, 12:38:44 PM
Looks like the M got a work over in last release, sorry I was late in posting this one.

Tail wheel does not leave a dust trail when taxiing. 

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/fuzeman/P-47Mtailwheeldust.jpg)
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: dmdchief on December 03, 2009, 04:22:05 PM
looks like it is off the ground to me from the plane form.
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: fuzeman on December 03, 2009, 05:52:39 PM
If the picture is deceiving the dust is still not there from a dead stop. Maybe its the height of the wheel or something weird like that.
I should have posted a side shot.
This can be duplicated on any takeoff, so I do believe it qualifies as a bug, and more correctly a very, very minor one as it was titled.
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: Krusty on December 04, 2009, 01:05:29 AM
I've noticed sometimes while taxiing in F3 mode (I pan down to see the ground better) that the tail wheel doesn't always leave a trail at faster speeds... You have to really slow down to normal taxi speeds (less than 20mph).

It also becomes more pronounced when you lock the tail wheel and pull back on the stick (pushing it into the ground more?)

Have you tried slower speeds to see if it comes back?
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: fuzeman on December 04, 2009, 05:42:17 AM
Yikes, from the replies I've started a conTROVersy.  Watching in the TA using external , from stop to takeoff, no dust from tail wheel.
I've accelerated to speed, guessing maybe 75mph and stopped, still no dust.

Compared to other P-47 variants, this was the only dust free version.

Just looked at it some more in TA. If you get the tail wheel off the ground and apply brakes and pull back on stick, you do get a puff of dust when the wheel hits the ground but not as it rolls along.
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: Krusty on December 04, 2009, 12:13:30 PM
Actually, now that you mention "puff of dust" on impact, maybe that's what I was recalling from before.
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: macleod01 on December 04, 2009, 01:22:56 PM
Just tested this offline, same for me. Right from standstill to tailwheel coming off the ground, no dust trail
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: Krusty on December 04, 2009, 02:42:57 PM
The question is, do other planes have the same deal?

I don't really recall tail wheel trails unless I've got my elevators hauled back to lock the tail wheel.
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: fuzeman on December 04, 2009, 02:47:08 PM
The question is, do other planes have the same deal?

I don't really recall tail wheel trails unless I've got my elevators hauled back to lock the tail wheel.

As I mentioned above in reply #4, all other P-47 variants do have a dust trail from tailwheel when taking off or taxiing.
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: macleod01 on December 04, 2009, 02:55:54 PM
As I mentioned above in reply #4, all other P-47 variants do have a dust trail from tailwheel when taking off or taxiing.

What Im curious to is that the 47M is the 47N renamed pretty much yea? So does this bug exist in the N as well?
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: fuzeman on December 04, 2009, 04:25:26 PM
What Im curious to is that the 47M is the 47N renamed pretty much yea? So does this bug exist in the N as well?

<snip>Compared to other P-47 variants, this was the only dust free version.<snip>
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: warhed on December 04, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
What Im curious to is that the 47M is the 47N renamed pretty much yea? So does this bug exist in the N as well?

It's more of a renamed D-40 anyway  :old:
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: macleod01 on December 04, 2009, 05:10:51 PM
Fuzeman, I did read that, im just wondering why if it was simply a renamed N, shouldn't this bug exist on the N as well?
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: warhed on December 04, 2009, 05:31:22 PM
Fuzeman, I did read that, im just wondering why if it was simply a renamed N, shouldn't this bug exist on the N as well?

The only thing it shares with the N is the engine, it's a D40 airframe...
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: Krusty on December 04, 2009, 06:14:50 PM
WRong. They took the P-47N flight model and modified it to create this version. It went so far as to still have the wing tanks modeled at first, and the fuel wasn't showing up properly because it still thought they were getting filled as well.

Other than that, definitely sounds like something HTC should put on the "to look at" list
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: warhed on December 04, 2009, 06:24:47 PM
WRong. They took the P-47N flight model and modified it to create this version. It went so far as to still have the wing tanks modeled at first, and the fuel wasn't showing up properly because it still thought they were getting filled as well.

Other than that, definitely sounds like something HTC should put on the "to look at" list

I wasn't aware N's had dive flaps.  Or unclipped wings. 
He was saying the airframe was the N, renamed to the M. 
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: macleod01 on December 04, 2009, 06:28:07 PM
The only thing it shares with the N is the engine, it's a D40 airframe...

If im wrong, I stand corrected. However im sure I heard somewhere it was a N

I apologise
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: warhed on December 04, 2009, 06:28:43 PM
If im wrong, I stand corrected. However im sure I heard somewhere it was a N

I apologise

It has the engine of the N, with the body of the D40.
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: macleod01 on December 04, 2009, 06:31:41 PM
I heard it had the body of an N as well. I apologise
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: warhed on December 04, 2009, 06:36:56 PM
No need to apologize  :cheers:
Just up an M and note the dive flaps, and the lack of clipped wings.
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: Krusty on December 04, 2009, 06:46:22 PM
Warhed, you're confusing real life.

In Aces High, they took the P-47N code and remodeled it to match a P-47M. They did not take the code from a D40.

They took the code from an N, and it still had the gas states (75%, etc) and the fuel tanks in the wings from the N model.

There's no debating this, I'm sorry.
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: warhed on December 04, 2009, 08:04:05 PM
Warhed, you're confusing real life.

In Aces High, they took the P-47N code and remodeled it to match a P-47M. They did not take the code from a D40.

They took the code from an N, and it still had the gas states (75%, etc) and the fuel tanks in the wings from the N model.

There's no debating this, I'm sorry.

You're debating yourself.  He thought the M was simply the airframe of the N.  So he asked if the bug was happening on the N.
As much as you want to argue this point, the M is the D40 airframe. 
Are you honestly saying that the P-47M is the same airframe as the P-47N?
If so, let's put some money on this...
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: macleod01 on December 04, 2009, 08:45:43 PM
Ok, im Wrong, sorry Krusty, I did a search and got this quote from Pyro himself

'Your "if" still has nothing to do with this situation.  The P-47's have already been redone.  The P-47M is just a P-47D-40 shape that Greebo has graciously provided us with a P-47M skin'

SORRY
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: warhed on December 04, 2009, 09:20:47 PM
Ok, im Wrong, sorry Krusty, I did a search and got this quote from Pyro himself

'Your "if" still has nothing to do with this situation.  The P-47's have already been redone.  The P-47M is just a P-47D-40 shape that Greebo has graciously provided us with a P-47M skin'

SORRY

You have no need to apologize.  You said\did nothing wrong  :cheers:
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: Krusty on December 04, 2009, 11:11:41 PM
I think I was taking what warhed was saying the wrong way. Sorry 'bout that.

Only the 3D wireframe was taken from the D40, though. Not the stuff that makes it fly and behave. It's the behaviors that would dictate things like wheels interacting with ground, hence why I was pushing the point about basing it off the 47N's code.
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: fuzeman on December 05, 2009, 08:55:01 AM
If I find another bug I'm pretty sure I'll just send it to Skuzzy. This thread certainly took an unwanted and unneeded detour.
Title: Re: very very minor P-47M graphic bug
Post by: macleod01 on December 05, 2009, 03:12:07 PM
Blame the Scot Fuzeman! Thats what I get for letting my brain work lol