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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: RabidSquirrel on December 28, 2001, 08:42:00 PM
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Hello All,
I have been playing AH for a couple of month's now and I have noticed that some important plane's are missing. I feel that there should be some more bomber's and some fighter's for all of the countries. The American's are missing two of the most important plane's in the B-25 Mitchell,B-24 Liberator and the B-29 Superfortress. Also the American's are missing a few fighter's that should be added. The P-39 Airacobra and the Hawk 81A-2 Curtiss Hawk,which was the Flying Tiger's plane. Now as far as the German's,they need the Ju-87 Stuka,Dornier Do 17,Bf 110 and He 111. The Japanese are missing the G4M Betty which they used more than any other Japanese bomber. But in all realness they need more of everything. I'm not really sure on what the Soviet's need but they need more aswell. HTC should do some research on these plane's and other plane's that you other pilot's suggest. Sooner or later they will get added. :D If anyone else has any opinion's on this,please feel free to do so. Your opinion count's just as much. Thank's to all who take the time to read what I had to say. :D
Fellow Pilot,
Squirral
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Wow, this could get messy.
ra
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So Yanks need a late-war bomber but Germans do not need any bombers made after 1941? :mad:
:p :D
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do a P39 with russian markings, or am i thinking of a different plane...
the russain version of the c47, basicly the dome on the top has a machine gun, as well as 2 waist guns,there is a third one that i think is in the tail, slightly different engines, could also carry bombs, just replace the c47 to the li-2, as i doubt any1 will fly c47 after the li-2 is put in.
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S!
I agree we'd need a german bomber, say Heinkel He 111. Max speed 270mph, some defensive armament and can take some bombload too; 1 x 2000kg (!) and 1x 500kg or 8 x 250kg bombs. OTOH lack of bombload on german bombers is one reason we'd need a fighter-bomber like Me-110G-2, which is capable of dogfighting (hehe), jabo attacks and bomber busting. Multirole fighter with good weapons.This surely would be popular at MA due the ground vehicles. It was capable to carry many different weapons like:
- 20mm cannons
- 30mm cannons
- 37mm flak cannon
- Rockets
- Schräge (sp?) Musik. Yes G-2 didn't carried those, but it'd be relatively easy to make 2 110's: G-2 and F-4, no?
And after all Me-110 is damn good looking and you'll look kewl in it, just like in jug!
:)
And of course we need an american fighter, say P-47N ooops, sry I ment P-40, which would make nice addition to early war plane set. And for later war plane set: X-XXN
:)
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There is also a real need for carrier planes.
There are no Axis carrier attack planes to be had and there are a couple of important US types missing as well.
IMO Here is what we need for a start:
SB2C HELLDIVER
F4F-4 WILDCAT
D4Y SUISEI "JUDY"
B6N TENZEN "JILL"
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Man o Man, I hve beating this drumm so long I nead a new skin.
Abridged rant:
We have enough US stuff, do the math let the others catch up, unless were are talking sea planes/flying boats then add a Coranado.
Germany has a ton of stuff as well, but neads a late war buff He 177, and some weapons ordance loadout options for the Fw 190's and JU 88, mabby a Me 410.
Brition is well represented, curentaly, that is to say it has a nice ballence of ftr and atack and bomber's modeled curentaly, might be nice to see a British sherman added.
Or a buff varient of the Mossie.
Japan, their is a ton of planes that could be added that would compeat nicely in the MA.
The Peggy is coming, hopefully we will get a Japanese carier cpaable atack/torpedo plane,Jill, or Grace(Grace would be best imo),their are so many great ftr's to add, Jack, Frank,Tojo,Randy,Ki 100, Rex...
Italy, How about a Cant Z. 1007, Re 2000 series anything, G 55, SM 82, P 108, Italy neads a care package asap :)
Russia,Rumor has it a TU 2 is in the works,and hopefully this will come true :)
A Russian tank would be nice as well.
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Ja möchte ich das stuka
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If you're going to suggest a German bomber and twin, the He177 and Me410 are much better choices. Why we would want a 1937 bomber (He111) and a 1938 zerstorer (Bf110) is beyond me. He177 carries a decent load, has very good defensive armament and might survive longer than 10 seconds in the MA. A He111 would get less use than the Ju88, and would be even easier to kill.
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One important reason for the He111 is for early war scenarios.
Late war scenarios are always going to give the Axis a hard time. Out numbered, out gunned and behind in resources, it's no wonder.
I'd imagine Axis fans would appreciate earlier scenarios when the Axis forces had the upper hand. Be nice to see them catered for, and of course it brings us one step closer to the Battle of Britain :)
It is hard to imagine a WWII sim lacking the Stuka too.....
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I spend 99% of my time in AH in the MA,while adding planes for scenarious is a cool idea I think killing 2 birds with one stone is perhaps a better use of HTC's time when it comes to modeling buffs(they take about 4 times as long to build as fighters, or so I have been told). If you are looking for a Buff for Germany for early war scenarious we have one already the JU 88.
Dont get me wrong I am for the addation of early war planes, It is just important to pick ones to back that would be competave in the MA, for example look at the I 16, it is slow but manuaverable and cary's rockets bombs and 20mm canons,or the IAR 81 same catagory,A6M2 type 21, ect... P 108, or Cant Z 1007 would be two early war buffs that would be competave in the MA.
We all have our favorate rides it is just that some of theam are not a good choice for addation to the MA, at least not at present, some of the reasion behind this mmay be their performance, or because of redundancy( a similar type may already exist B 17, b 24 for example), or because of modeling time, HTC cant turn out a lot of buffs do to modeling time comstranits, their is also historical relevance to account for, I dont expect to see the He 162 any time soon, or the Ba 65 for that matter, playabality is an issue as well i would love to see a t 34 but it's lack of an AA mg gun may make it undersiable for use in the MA.
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Oh man...adding the Kate to the CV list would be fantastic. And I'd definitely vote for the 110 now that we have the Mossie.
Crow
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Brady said:
I dont expect to see the He 162 any time soon, or the Ba 65 for that matter,...
God, I hope the Ba 65 shows up after the last paper-only hyperkool Luftwetdreamwonderflug, if ever.
Italy had some nice stuff... the Ba 65 was as bad as the Wellesley ;)
Hey, there's an IDEA :eek:
A worst plane only map. Ba 65's escorting Ju52 /3m bombers, intercepted by Fairey Fulmars :D :D
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ahhhh, the Wellesley :)
We should have an East Africa plane set and an arena for it :)
[ 12-31-2001: Message edited by: brady ]
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Aint She Purdy?
(http://www.x-plane.org/users/fulzgold/ME110.jpg)
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P39 is must! In the right hands a very effect ground attack and fighter craft. Put it in US Pacific markings. P39C or D or N
RUSSIA you say? I know Russia used it more effectively then the US did well then make the P39Q in Russia Markings OR I say OR better yet...
THE P-63 King Cobra!!It saw action in WWII under the Russian banner and was one hell of a fighter, let alone a ground attack platform.
Later
Gorf
:)
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Me-163!
Ok, not likely, but it would be a hell of alot of fun!!! Make it 500 perk points to fly it.
As for the planes, my personal pet project I want in AH plane is the Ki-44 Shoki. However, realistically, I just want to see the early war plane sets filled out for scenarios and the CT.
However, to NOT neglect gameplay in the MA, I would like to see the He-177 and Me-410 for the Luftwaffe, The Mossie B.Mk.IV for the RAF, a Cant.1007 and the Re.2000/2001/2002 series for the 'Reggia Aeronautica?' (Yikes, I don't remember the name of the Italian Air Force, I know you guys will straighten me out! ;) -) We know the Japanese Force (IJA/IJN)are getting the Peggy, so I think they need an Attack Bomber more than anything (Jill, Judy, etc). That leaves the VVS and I think the Tu-2 would fill out their ranks enough with their current planes. That's how I would 'balance out' the planeset for MA play (In terms of those dedicated to specific countries).
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Sundog,
Why the Mossie B.IV?
It'd be useless in AH and it was produced in small numbers.
The Mossie B.XVI would be much more appropriate for AH. Faster and a bombload 2 and a half times that of the B.IV.
I do agree that the Mossie B.IV would be the easiest bomber to add to AH at this time.
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I thought the B Mk.IV was the standard Mossie bomber version before they added the Bulged bombay. Correct in the thought I was thinking of the bomber version similar to the FB Mk VI with the bomber canopy and glazed nose and full length bombay (Since it doesn't have the cannons either). I had no idea it was only built in small numbers. But basically, I just meant a pure bomber version of the Mossie ;)
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Sundog,
It was the standard Mossie bomber before the B.XVI. However, with a top speed of only 380mph at 13,000ft, unarmed, and a max bombload of 4x500lbers it wouldn't prove terribly survivable or usefull in the MA.
The B.XVI with a top speed of 416mph and the ability to carry a 4,000lb bomb as well a a 500lb bomb under each wing would be much better. The B.XVI was the standard 1944 Mossie bomber.
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I wouldn't mind the Ki-43 Oscar :)
I agree that teh C-47 should be traded in for a Li-2P (with the turret mg)
Others ....
Fiat CR.32
Polikarpov I-153
(there's something about a biplane WW2 fighter...)
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I'd rather have the Dauntless than the Helldiver. Yes, the Helldiver was the replacement for the Dauntless, but most accounts I've read said the Dauntless was still superior to the Helldiver.
Also, I'd rather see Kates and Vals before the Judys and Jills, but unless Wildcats and A6M2s are coming also, Judy and Jill would be a nice addition.
Be nice to have -
A6M2, Kate, Val, Betty, P40, F4F, and Dauntless added for earlier Pac action (we have the Avenger to sub for the Devastator, and an early Corsair now) and the Jill and Judy to go with the planes we have now, and also a B-24. The Dauntless could be used here instead of the Helldiver. This would give two good periods for the Pac theater.
HTC has already said we're getting the Hiryu next release if I'm not mistaken. :)
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Nifty, I agree with your choices. AH already has enough late-war stuff and really little is being gained by adding to the late-war set. I think it would prove beneficial to the Special Events if early-war aircraft are added. Most definitely the Wildcat, Warhawk, Zeke A6M2, Val, Kate and Dauntless. Dauntless is way cool and even did some fighter CAP work when needed. Once my beloved Pacific theater is filled, then early Europe can be filled with 110s and early 109s and Spits.
[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: Steven ]
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Wow, been itching to give my two cents in this topic...... we need a few more planes yes - but AH is evolving guys, give it time. Anyway - here's my list. =)
USA
Sherman Tank
B25 Mitchell
B24 Liberator
B29 Super Fortress (perk)
F4F Wildcat
F8F Bearcat (perk)
P40 Warhawk
P39 Air Cobra
P38J
Germany
Ju-87
He-111
Do17
Me 110C
Fw 200
Bf 109E3
Bf 109K4 (perk)
Bf 109 G14
UK
Spitfire Mk I
Spitfire Mk XIV (perk)
Hurricane MkI
Ivan
None that I can think of.... wait - T34?
Japan
A6M2
Ki43
Betty
George
Val
Kate
It has also occured to me that since AH does have both day and night cycles... when will we see night fighters? ;-)
Mike
"Mazz"
<--The Flying Circus-->
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Please add immediately the Commonwealth Boomerang. If anyone doesnt know about it, go look it up. Quite possibly the greatest fighter of all time.
Once again, add the Commonwealth Boomerang. Rang rang rang.
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I think it would be nice if they would add some trainers, like the at6 and pt19. They are not important planes, but I think they would be cool
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Originally posted by Gavor:
Please add immediately the Commonwealth Boomerang. If anyone doesnt know about it, go look it up. Quite possibly the greatest fighter of all time.
Once again, add the Commonwealth Boomerang. Rang rang rang.
Err mate, I'll take your B'rang and raise you a Spit VIII, or a P-40N
Tronski
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I see your bet and raise you a black widow and two of those gull wing polish planes(L.11?).
But seriously, the boomer was an average plane that did an ok job built out of secondhand pieces. I'd love to fly one just for the history value, but i know it will never be :(.
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Spit XIV
Mossie XVI
Beaufighter TFX
Oh and can I have a WhirlWind (not the washing machine) :p
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Bearcat...smearcat..
What about the Tigercat F7F. Was in the same state of delivery as the Bearcat was. Plus the thought of having 4000hp on a plane that weighed slightly more than a P38 is a cool thought.
(S)
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ju52 (axis counter-part of the dakota)
b17f (for enhanced realism purposes)
me110 (do i need to say anything more?)
and how ´bout landing crafts? my idea: they could be used for field capture & resupply (as long as the corresponding field is located next to a shore of any kind ;)) they´re also a must for any d-day scen frames!
hmm, that´d be all i can think of for the moment... stay tuned for further instructions *gg* l8er then, jan.
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