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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: TEXICAN on December 09, 2009, 08:48:52 AM
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I have a 7600gs ddr2 512 PCIe card right now. My computer has an option for 2 video cards. Would it be better to buy another one of these and run dual or find a newer card??? It seems the 7600gs is pretty cheap now so if running dual is close to newer cards Id like the best bang for my buck.
Thanks
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One better card is almost always better than 2 slower cards in SLI.
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Depending on your PSU, I'd look at a 9800GT or GTX. $130 range. I'd say a minimum of 450W (24 amps on the 12V rail) would be needed.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339)
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If I buy a 9800 gt can I run it with my old card or does it have to be two of the same kind??
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If I buy a 9800 gt can I run it with my old card or does it have to be two of the same kind??
Identical cards. The 7600 series is a low end card. The 9800GTX+ would be a tremendous improvement over an SLi set of 7600's. Again, just make sure the PSU you have can accommodate it.
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All I know is its a Micro Velocity I bought at best buy 2 or 3 years ago it was the second best they had.
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The 7600 is getting older now...best bet is to go with K's suggestion and get a 9800GT or GTX.
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All I know is its a Micro Velocity I bought at best buy 2 or 3 years ago it was the second best they had.
That scares me, power supply may not be able to juice the 9800. Post the model # of that thing and let us do some research.
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Depending on your PSU, I'd look at a 9800GT or GTX.
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Its a Velocity micro promagix E2025 Core 2cpu 6400 @ 2.13ghz 2g ram
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Can't find that particular model on their site or specs on google, but chances are it's not a modular PSU/one that can plug a powered-gpu in.
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I was about to order a 9800gt does that mean it wont work??
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I was about to order a 9800gt does that mean it wont work??
Completely Shut your PC Down (shut down, flip switch, unplug PC). Remove the 4 screws holding your PSU in place, write the Wattage and Amps on the 12V rail, reinstall the 4 screws. The 5 minutes it takes to do that and you'll have an answer fast.
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I called Velocity micro they said it works no problems.
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I called Velocity micro they said it works no problems.
Cool. Don't fret if you do not have a 6-pin PCI-e power lead from your PC. Use the supplied Two Molex Adapter.
Last thing, just be sure you Download the Drivers for the Card. But, wipe the old Driver prior to installing the Card. It'll be a lot less headache and the new ones is merely a click on your Desktop.
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Thanks for all the help guys just ordered the card. Velocity micro tech said there is a 6 pin. I average 75fps now without detailed water I just want to be able to make videos using FRAPS with max graphic settings on.
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Thanks for all the help guys just ordered the card. Velocity micro tech said there is a 6 pin. I average 75fps now without detailed water I just want to be able to make videos using FRAPS with max graphic settings on.
Rgr that, I was just assuming but since they build gaming systems, they probably do have higher than normal end PSU's. Good luck with the new card!
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I called Velocity micro they said it works no problems.
My BS meter went off here. I do not think the amps in the PSU will power the card. Or the card will overload the PSU. You stated you got your system at Best Buy, This means it is a production line system. Production line systems are not known for good PSU's. I am willing to bet that the PSU on your system is between 320 and 450 watts. Not to mention these things are 12 dollar PSU's using not so good inside components. Did I mention the guys at the tech support level ( the ones you get on the phone first) read from a screen and some can not even identify the parts of a system. Did he ask you the wattage and amperage requirements of the card, the maker of the card or the plugs needed (ASUS 9800GTX+ requires two 6 pin connectors vs one six pin on the EVGA 9800GTX+ and others)
TD
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Yes he looked up the card requirements while i was on the phone with him to be sure. Mine has a 500w psu and I ordered the 9800gt not gtx. I will know for sure in 3 buisness days lol.
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Can't post the PDF to my photobucket, but here is the link to the stats on the E2025. 500W generic power supply is about all I can gather from it.
http://www.velocitymicro.com/support.php (http://www.velocitymicro.com/support.php) Search E2025
P5N-E SLI MB??????????? I have same one in my gamer if this is the case, gonna read some more. edit - It does have this Asus MB, kinda surprising, really.
Texican - FYI, you can get rid of that cpu and bump it to an E8400 or E8500 to further update your system, if needed. I have the E6750 on the P5n-E SLI and it runs AH full sliders with shadowing on with 9800GTX 1 GB.
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(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/500W_PSU.jpg)
Note that the 12V rails carries a combined max amperage of 28A, and a combined wattage of 336W.
TD: found this on the product PDF, had to LOL:
Warranty and Support 1 year parts and labor coverage, depot repair, plus
expert technical support, all US based, non-tiered
and non-scripted
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Well if he didn't buy the 98000GTX then he's good to go. Just be aware, you're gonna have to tweak the settings and that card won't do the full eye candy without giving you some jitters in game.
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Uh, the power supply is sharing the output of the 3.3V and 5V rails. If either of them make the max rated limit (according to the label) here is what you really end up with.
3.3V = 26A holds the 5V to 26A.
5V = 45A holds the 3.3V to 0A.
In reality, according to the label, there is no way for the 5V line to reach 45A. The highest it can get and not exceed the combined maximum output is 44A, and that is with 0A on 3.3V, which is not going to happen).
I have doubts the power supply is going to hold up under the load of a 9800 video card.
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tweak how??? Maybe Ill get another one and run dual cards. Is there a PSU at Frys that yall recomend me to get?
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tweak how??? Maybe Ill get another one and run dual cards
You will have to tweak the nvidia control panel settings for AH. There are a lot of suggestions on the settings for 9800's in the tech support forum...do a search.
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tweak how??? Maybe Ill get another one and run dual cards. Is there a PSU at Frys that yall recomend me to get?
Looking there they have some decent brands but a lot of them are expensive...I use this one and just bought another. (Thanks to Karaya for picking it out in my first build)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341017&cm_re=ocz-_-17-341-017-_-Product
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The 9800GTX 512 edition is seeking 24 amps and your rails are 26amps. I am assuming you have pretty much maxed the PSU with just the video card.
TD
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The 9800GTX 512 edition is seeking 24 amps and your rails are 26amps. I am assuming you have pretty much maxed the PSU with just the video card.
TD
That seals it. Upgrade the PSU to accommodate the GPU.
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tweak how??? Maybe Ill get another one and run dual cards. Is there a PSU at Frys that yall recomend me to get?
i think you need to stop thinking about SLI. if you're not getting the best video cards to start with, SLI is over rated.
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That seals it. Upgrade the PSU to accommodate the GPU.
pfff it should be fine, its a GT not a GTX remember. plus its a gaming computer not military hardware, no need to massively overbuild it, its not live real lives depending on it...
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pfff it should be fine, its a GT not a GTX remember. plus its a gaming computer not military hardware, no need to massively overbuild it, its not live real lives depending on it...
Would you be willing to replace the PARTS that go POP when he overloads the system?
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no, but in the very unlikely event that something goes wrong I wont have to, Velocity took the liability for that when they told Tex "it works no problems" ;)
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pfff it should be fine, its a GT not a GTX remember. plus its a gaming computer not military hardware, no need to massively overbuild it, its not live real lives depending on it...
No, but it is real money depending on it. Should the PSU fail due to lack of needed power, or simply poor construction, and it takes the rest of the system with it, as some lower end PSUs do, that's a good chunk of money.
I've had a PSU fail before and take a Motherboard with it, and it's not an experience I would want anyone to have to go through.
Skuzzy, was it you who said 25% overhead was a good idea, for start-up or something? If so does that mean, if a PC needs 350Watts and 40V a PSU should be about 438Watts and 50V to be safe?
PSUs still confuse me so I just went ahead and bought the best bang for buck I could use (dimension restrictions), OCZ 750Watt Stealth. :)
Edit...my spelling is bad at 1am
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well its all guesswork without the GPU specs but most 9800GTs ive seen require 400/450w PSU min, so 550w already has 20% headroom.
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Just bought and installed an OCZ 700 watt modular power supply to replace the 430 watt PS in had.
The evga 9800gt I just installed was working ok but I wanted to be safe.
The specs for the card called for 25amps and the old PS only had 18amps.
If keep upgrading my PC a piece or two at a time,soon I will have two units. :D
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well its all guesswork without the GPU specs but most 9800GTs ive seen require 400/450w PSU min, so 550w already has 20% headroom.
9800GTX require 24 amps and the 9800GT requires 26 amps, that is the SPECS..
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It say 26 amps online and 18amps on the box.
If the system builder say it's 26 amps I believe him.
So much of the information available is so confusing you've got to listen to the experts.
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Yes 1701E. You need a cushion, of at least 25% excess steady drain power, in order to meet the startup current surge from a cold start.
You also never want to run a switching power supply beyond 85% of its rated capacity. The power supply will merrily supply up to about 95% of its rated capacity, but starting at around 85% and up to 95% the power is going to get dirty on an exponential basis.
Dirty power causes premature failures and overheating to occur. It will shorten the life of the components in the computer.
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9800GTX require 24 amps and the 9800GT requires 26 amps, that is the SPECS..
ECS 9800GT/GTX+ state 141W (450W PSU), which (assuming its all drawn on the 12V) is 11.75A.
nvidias own 9800GT states 105W (400W PSU), or 8.75A.
different manufacturers will have slightly different requirements, plus the 55nm cores seem to draw alot less than the 65nm cores. like I said without the specs for the exact GPU its guesswork.
also remember that while PSUs dont like to be driven at close to their max rating, they also dont like being driven at very low loads either. adding up the individual components max draws, then adding 25% is a good rule of thumb.
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If the power supply has active PFC circuitry, you can safely run it in a very low load condition. If the supply does not have active PFC circuitry, it may not start at all, without sufficient load.
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Texican - FYI, you can get rid of that cpu and bump it to an E8400 or E8500 to further update your system, if needed. I have the E6750 on the P5n-E SLI and it runs AH full sliders with shadowing on with 9800GTX 1 GB.
Hey If I did this could I use my old cpu in my kids Dell computer???
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Hey If I did this could I use my old cpu in my kids Dell computer???
Depending on the motherboard socket.
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Here we go again, what is the model of the Dell?
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Its a Dell Dimension DIM4600 Pent 4 Cpu 2.8ghz. Im just trying to figure out the best bang for my buck. The kids computer will barely play AH on lowest settings. If I could upgrade mine and use the old stuff from mine on theirs it would be great! I dont know it may be cheaper to buy a package on sale at Frys or Micro Center.
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It seems as though the motherboard is a socket 478, while the CPU is socket 775.
Basically if you were to get the old CPU to work you would need a new motherboard.
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...active PFC ...
had to google that - its 20yrs since I studied this stuff :)
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Sorry, it was rude of me to use the acronym without explaining it. I was taught better than that.
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It seems as though the motherboard is a socket 478, while the CPU is socket 775.
Basically if you were to get the old CPU to work you would need a new motherboard.
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your old CPU just will not fit into the old MB. Didn't hurt to ask though.
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had to google that - its 20yrs since I studied this stuff :)
Look at the bright side, 20 yrs ago you'd look up in the encyclopedia only to find out it was published 2 years before "PFC" was invented.
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It seems as though the motherboard is a socket 478, while the CPU is socket 775.
Basically if you were to get the old CPU to work you would need a new motherboard.
His CPU is more than likely a Northwood P4 HT CPU. That is a 478 Socket CPU bro.
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Ok one last question is the E8500 the best cpu I can get or is there a better one that will fit thanks guys!
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His CPU is more than likely a Northwood P4 HT CPU. That is a 478 Socket CPU bro.
He said if a E8400 would fit into a old dell...I thought the E8400 was a C2D 775?
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Ok from what I can tell online I can use the Q9550 quad core cpu or the E8500 dual core cpu on my motherboard. I really dont know what the differance is?? Would the Q9550 be worth the extra almost $100???
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He said if a E8400 would fit into a old dell...I thought the E8400 was a C2D 775?
The dell is my kids computer mine is a velocity micro with 775 socket. I was hoping when I upgraded the cpu on mine I could put it in my kids dell. But I will have to get another motherboard for them.
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You have to be careful. Not all LGA-775 motherboards support all LGA-775 CPU's. There have been three variations of the LGA-775 CPU's. A BIOS update for the motherboard usually takes care of the differences.
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The dell is my kids computer mine is a velocity micro with 775 socket. I was hoping when I upgraded the cpu on mine I could put it in my kids dell. But I will have to get another motherboard for them.
Which is why I responded the way I did. Skuzzy is correct, make sure your BIOS will support the CPU differentiations.