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Title: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: Yarbles on December 15, 2009, 04:19:05 AM
Can someone tell me why the 14 is perked but the 109 k4 isn't ?
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: JunkyII on December 15, 2009, 04:27:28 AM
The K4 better not get perked because of this thread yarbles, your name will be in my little black book :mad: :devil
There are plenty of planes that should be perked if we go off the 14s perk price :aok
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: dhyran on December 15, 2009, 04:28:23 AM
Can someone tell me why the 14 is perked but the 109 k4 isn't ?

the question should be why is the spit 14 perked and the LA7 not!
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: Yarbles on December 15, 2009, 04:32:28 AM
the question should be why is the spit 14 perked and the LA7 not!

Yep all seems a bit random sometimes.

But if we unperk the 14 then it would all make sense :D
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: grizz441 on December 15, 2009, 04:59:12 AM
Yep all seems a bit random sometimes.

But if we unperk the 14 then it would all make sense :D

I don't understand why it is perked either.  I'd put it at Eny 10-15..
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: thrila on December 15, 2009, 05:18:32 AM
It's perked because i make it look uberlicious by mega-timid flying  :D
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: TexMurphy on December 15, 2009, 05:20:56 AM
Thing is its a spiral.

If the k4 is perked then the LALA should be perked and if that is perked then the Spit 16 should be as well and if the Spit 16 is perked then the Niki should be perked and on we go until we reach the P40B
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: bustr on December 15, 2009, 05:34:05 AM
1. If the K4 had a 120 - 20mm lazers in each wing with the 13mm's on the hood, would it be perked because it could spray like the spit14 vs. 65 - 30mm grenades in the nose the K4 is limited to now?

2. If you allow average players inexperienced in the K4 and spit14 to dive both airplanes side by side from 7k starting at 350 mph to pick ground level planes directly below them, who has the better chance of not augering in?

3. If both planes survive the latter dive to pick on the deck and a spit8 or spit16 has followed them down and up into their escape climb, which plane on WEP will escape climb away from the spit8 or spit16 who has also pulled up from the 7k dive and is now climbing on WEP?

4. From 12k to the deck can the spit14 save itself by diving away from the 51D, P47D40 - M & N, FW190D9, Ta152, spit8-16, La7, Yak9U and P38J-L?

5. At equalised speeds in furballs from the deck to 12k or 15k, can the spit14 outclimb the K4? (The compairison charts for WEP show the K4 superior at MA standard alts.)

6. At 300+ mph what can the spit14 out turn?

7. At 200-275 mph what can out turn the spit14?

The muppets and a cadre of players fly the K4 so successfuly they make it seem to need a perk. If they spent the same time in the spit14 it would become a wonder wheapon landing 5-15 kill streaks. For myself with experience against muppets as an average player, who there are a lager number than the aknowleged Expertin like Grizz and the muppets, the spit14 would be more of a death trap than anything else. The muppets and cadre with their K4's would purposely make the MA unhealthy for unperked spit14's in the hands of most players. A spit16 would give them a better chance to survive in most cases.
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: sandwich on December 15, 2009, 05:37:17 AM
Dont perk the k4 just unperk the XIV.

I just want my spit XIV.
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: bustr on December 15, 2009, 05:41:03 AM
Perk the muppets and the 262....... :airplane:
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: Anaxogoras on December 15, 2009, 08:20:52 AM
Dont perk the k4 just unperk the XIV.

I just want my spit XIV.

Truly, this has nothing to do with the 109K-4.  The XIV deserves to be unperked on its own merits.
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: fudgums on December 15, 2009, 09:51:45 AM
B5N should be perked
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: Sol75 on December 15, 2009, 09:56:26 AM
Perk to c47!
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: bustr on December 15, 2009, 05:39:32 PM
Perk Sol's computer..........
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: bravoa8 on December 15, 2009, 05:40:58 PM
Perk the muppets and the 262....... :airplane:
+1  :lol
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: 1carbine on December 15, 2009, 06:49:18 PM
Even in AHwiki it says its not worth the perks when a spit 9 or 16 are available.
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: Tec on December 15, 2009, 06:54:45 PM
Even in AHwiki it says its not worth the perks when a spit 9 or 16 are available.

Well that settles it then, I guess we have to unperk it.
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: USRanger on December 15, 2009, 06:59:56 PM
 :rofl
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: Steve on December 15, 2009, 07:16:43 PM
4. From 12k to the deck can the spit14 save itself by diving away from the 51D,




 :huh
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: 1carbine on December 15, 2009, 07:45:32 PM
1. If the K4 had a 120 - 20mm lazers in each wing with the 13mm's on the hood, would it be perked because it could spray like the spit14 vs. 65 - 30mm grenades in the nose the K4 is limited to now?

2. If you allow average players inexperienced in the K4 and spit14 to dive both airplanes side by side from 7k starting at 350 mph to pick ground level planes directly below them, who has the better chance of not augering in?

3. If both planes survive the latter dive to pick on the deck and a spit8 or spit16 has followed them down and up into their escape climb, which plane on WEP will escape climb away from the spit8 or spit16 who has also pulled up from the 7k dive and is now climbing on WEP?

4. From 12k to the deck can the spit14 save itself by diving away from the 51D, P47D40 - M & N, FW190D9, Ta152, spit8-16, La7, Yak9U and P38J-L?

5. At equalised speeds in furballs from the deck to 12k or 15k, can the spit14 outclimb the K4? (The compairison charts for WEP show the K4 superior at MA standard alts.)

6. At 300+ mph what can the spit14 out turn?

7. At 200-275 mph what can out turn the spit14?

The muppets and a cadre of players fly the K4 so successfuly they make it seem to need a perk. If they spent the same time in the spit14 it would become a wonder wheapon landing 5-15 kill streaks. For myself with experience against muppets as an average player, who there are a lager number than the aknowleged Expertin like Grizz and the muppets, the spit14 would be more of a death trap than anything else. The muppets and cadre with their K4's would purposely make the MA unhealthy for unperked spit14's in the hands of most players. A spit16 would give them a better chance to survive in most cases.


So where can I find these answers or do you have them?
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: Motherland on December 15, 2009, 09:00:42 PM
1. If the K4 had a 120 - 20mm lazers in each wing with the 13mm's on the hood, would it be perked because it could spray like the spit14 vs. 65 - 30mm grenades in the nose the K4 is limited to now? Yes because the K-4 is a comparatively stable gun platform. In the Spitfire XIV the inherent accuracy of the Hispano is offset by the fact that the Spitfire XIV's nose has a mind of its own. Also consider that the Hispano has a much higher fire rate than the MK 108; I don't think the Siptfire MK XIV has significantly longer firing time

2. If you allow average players inexperienced in the K4 and spit14 to dive both airplanes side by side from 7k starting at 350 mph to pick ground level planes directly below them, who has the better chance of not augering in? I think the Spitfire XIV would probably pull its wings off if it didn't compress.

3. If both planes survive the latter dive to pick on the deck and a spit8 or spit16 has followed them down and up into their escape climb, which plane on WEP will escape climb away from the spit8 or spit16 who has also pulled up from the 7k dive and is now climbing on WEP? Both at about the same rate with a slight advantage to the 109K

4. From 12k to the deck can the spit14 save itself by diving away from the 51D, P47D40 - M & N, FW190D9, Ta152, spit8-16, La7, Yak9U and P38J-L? Not any better than the 109K can I'd imagine

5. At equalised speeds in furballs from the deck to 12k or 15k, can the spit14 outclimb the K4? (The compairison charts for WEP show the K4 superior at MA standard alts.)Answered your own question ;)

6. At 300+ mph what can the spit14 out turn? 190's and P51's

7. At 200-275 mph what can out turn the spit14?Spitfires, pre G-14 109's, and everything with a tighter circle than those
Title: Re: Spit 14 and 109 k4
Post by: dedalos on December 16, 2009, 03:24:23 PM

4. From 12k to the deck can the spit14 save itself by diving away from the 51D, P47D40 - M & N, FW190D9, Ta152, spit8-16, La7, Yak9U and P38J-L?


The question should not be can the Spit save itself.  It should be can it catch these planes once they see they are going against a spit  :rofl