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Title: Yak-3
Post by: waystin2 on December 16, 2009, 01:46:01 PM
(http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/yak-3m.jpg)
Yak-3 


Manufacturer: Yakovlev 
Engine(s): (Yak-1M) one 1,260 hp Klimov VK-105PF vee-12 liquid-cooled; (Yak-3) 1,225 hp VK-105PF-2; (final series) 1,650 hp VK-107A 
Wingspan: 30 ft 2.25 in (9.20 m) 
Length: 27 ft 10.25 in (8.50 m) 
Height: 7 ft 10 in (2.39 m) 
Weights: Empty: (VK-105) 4,960 lb (2,250 kg); Loaded: (VK-105) 5,864 lb (2,660 kg) 
Maximum Speed: (VK-105) 404 mph (650 km/h); (VK-107) 447 mph (720 km/h) 
Initial Climb: (VK-105) 4,265 ft (1,300 m)/min 
Service Ceiling: (VK-105) 35,450 ft (10,800 m) 
Range: (VK-105) 506 miles (815 km) 
Armament: One 20 mm ShVAK, with 120 rounds, and two 0.5 in (12.7 mm) UBS machine guns, each with 250 rounds 

Can I get a  :aok for the YAK 3? :x
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: AWwrgwy on December 16, 2009, 01:46:59 PM
Again?

 :devil

perk it


wrongway
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: waystin2 on December 16, 2009, 01:56:57 PM
Again?

 :devil

perk it


wrongway

Aw c'mon Wrongway.  Again?  We don't have it yet.  Let's talk about perking when it's added, and when the variant for inclusion is chosen.  The 1M variant was introduced in 1942 and the straight Yak-3 was introduced in 1943.  Later variants may be perk-worthy but may not meet inclusion requirements to begin with.

 :salute

Way
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Tilt on December 16, 2009, 01:59:42 PM
 :aok but not with VK107

Yak3 was a 44 bird
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: waystin2 on December 16, 2009, 02:04:16 PM
:aok but not with VK107

I agree with you. It would be a terror though, but if I remember correctly that engine had a lot of problems and only a few birds actually received one.  No real info on VK-107 equipped birds seeing combat.  Only mentions of testing flights found so far.
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Motherland on December 16, 2009, 02:06:31 PM
I didn't realize that the Klimov engines had such little horsepower. How were the Yak's able to achieve such speed?
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: waystin2 on December 16, 2009, 02:17:39 PM
I didn't realize that the Klimov engines had such little horsepower. How were the Yak's able to achieve such speed?

High proof Vodka Gasoline! :banana:
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: 321BAR on December 16, 2009, 02:23:51 PM
idk why the yak flys that fast... i really dont but i loooove the yakU!!!!! such a low acceleration and strange concept of vertical fighting but the perfect plane when flown right. got an 8kill streak in one once in a furball one flight... never did it again and 50bucks says i never repeat the streak...
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Ruler2 on December 16, 2009, 03:17:54 PM
Maximum Speed: (VK-105) 404 mph (650 km/h); (VK-107) 447 mph (720 km/h)    :O :x :airplane: :joystick: :uhoh :angel:     

How about manuverability, better or worse then the Yak-9?
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Motherland on December 16, 2009, 03:18:47 PM
Maximum Speed: (VK-105) 404 mph (650 km/h); (VK-107) 447 mph (720 km/h)    :O :x :airplane: :joystick: :uhoh :angel:     

How about manuverability, better or worse then the Yak-9?
From what I understand the 3 would be slightly more maneuverable (lighter) albeit slower than the 9U.
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Enker on December 16, 2009, 03:20:20 PM
I didn't realize that the Klimov engines had such little horsepower. How were the Yak's able to achieve such speed?
I thought the speed was reached thanks to major streamlining, due to the immense lack of high horsepower engines in comparison to what they had early on in the war. I could be very wrong, though.
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Changeup on December 16, 2009, 05:17:04 PM
Hey looky...the Rooskies cut a P39Q and Spit 9 in half and mated them!  The "SpittingCobra" Or Yakking Cobra...

V/r

Changeup
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Bronk on December 16, 2009, 06:50:38 PM
Hey looky...the Rooskies cut a P39Q and Spit 9 in half and mated them!  The "SpittingCobra" Or Yakking Cobra...

V/r

Changeup
That's cobra yakking.  ;)
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: wgmount on December 16, 2009, 07:08:21 PM


Can I get a  :aok for the YAK 3? :x


 :aok
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Rich46yo on December 16, 2009, 07:08:59 PM
Bring it on. I Love the Yaks. :aok
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: SQUAT! on December 16, 2009, 07:25:45 PM
it would be great to get another good fighter. i meen the 47m is a great addition but it's still just another jug
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: 2ADoc on December 16, 2009, 07:38:07 PM
I have flown one of the ones built down where I live, they fly like a dream.  Blind as a bat on take off and landing but a dream in the air.  The one I flew had an Allison, it was hard to start when it was hot.  Again with all russian aircraft no fuel.  It was fun to fly.
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: RaptorL on December 16, 2009, 08:22:24 PM
Why not. +
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: HighTone on December 16, 2009, 10:20:38 PM
It will be great for the special events when we get some more of the early and mid war birds. This one will work, but please, please, please...the Ki-43, G4M. Also the Ki-44, the D4Y, and the Ki-84Ib  :pray
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Ruah on December 16, 2009, 11:28:31 PM
please?
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: AWwrgwy on December 17, 2009, 12:12:46 AM
I didn't say no and yes, i would fly it... alot.

But you know me....

 :devil


It would be faster and more maneuvarable than a Yak9U.


wrongway
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Vadjan-Sama on December 17, 2009, 01:45:21 AM
I can say only 1 thing...

+1

 :pray

 :salute
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Bino on December 17, 2009, 04:54:59 AM
I have flown one of the ones built down where I live, they fly like a dream.  Blind as a bat on take off and landing but a dream in the air.  The one I flew had an Allison, it was hard to start when it was hot.  Again with all russian aircraft no fuel.  It was fun to fly.

2ADoc, have you flown other WWII planes/replicas, too?  Any comparisons to share?

- bino, jealous bino
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Rich46yo on December 17, 2009, 06:03:10 AM
It would be a fine :salute to the Free French of the 'Normandie-Niemen' and would be a fine addition to the Soviet set. The Yak-3 was regarded as the best dogfighter the Soviets made during the war years. Include the TU-2 bomber and it would be hard to ever get out of Soviet skin.

Its become my favorite set in the game. :salute
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: thndregg on December 17, 2009, 07:44:50 AM
It doesn't have to be uber for it to be enjoyable. Yes the the Yak-3.
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: 2ADoc on December 17, 2009, 03:58:56 PM
Yes Bino, I have flown a few different WW2 planes.  I Personally like the Yak 3 better than the P-51.  The P-51 was designed for tall people, I fit better in the Yak and cold reach the rudder peddals better.  One thing to note is that the Yak did not have baffeled fuel tanks, if you are not aware of that is can get exciting.  The approach speed is higher on the Yak, and you cant see as well on final but you just time you base and final, so that you are in a turn until you are almost on the ground.  I also found that it is harder to,"Hot Start" the Yak, but that like anything is just getting used to it.  One of the things I like most about the Yak 3 is the fact that you can get into them cheaper than a P-51.  Some people swear by the P-51, dont get me wrong it is fun but I just perfer that Yak.
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Templar on December 17, 2009, 04:15:25 PM
+1 for the commie bird.....  :noid
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: sandwich on December 17, 2009, 04:24:05 PM
YES!!!

And maybe have the -3P as a perked loadout?  :noid
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Rich46yo on December 17, 2009, 04:38:14 PM

 :banana:
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/Yak-3_1.jpg)(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/yak3-1.jpg)
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/yak-3m.jpg)
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: waystin2 on December 18, 2009, 02:28:06 PM
YES!!!

And maybe have the -3P as a perked loadout?  :noid

The 3P model was produced very late war.  Started production in April 1945.  It's borderline on whether it meets HTC's inclusion criteria.  Don't get me wrong, I would love to have it!
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: sandwich on December 18, 2009, 06:47:57 PM
The 3P model was produced very late war.  Started production in April 1945.  It's borderline on whether it meets HTC's inclusion criteria.  Don't get me wrong, I would love to have it!

so add it with a perk value.  :D

Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: wgmount on December 19, 2009, 04:06:25 PM
The 3P model was produced very late war.  Started production in April 1945.  It's borderline on whether it meets HTC's inclusion criteria.  Don't get me wrong, I would love to have it!

So what's HTC's inclusion criteria? They added the Tempest and I have not seen one v1 buzz bomb for it to shoot down. That plane has no use except for ho's. Try to use it against gv's which was its primary function and see how much grumbling goes on. Add the Yak3 great fighter plane. Faster and more maneuverable than the supermarine spitfire.
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Motherland on December 19, 2009, 06:08:43 PM
He's talking about, specifically, the Yak 3P model, not the Yak 3 itself.

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They added the Tempest and I have not seen one v1 buzz bomb for it to shoot down. That plane has no use except for ho's.
That plane is one of the better overall fighters in the game and probably the best boom and zoomer....

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Try to use it against gv's which was its primary function and see how much grumbling goes on.
Why would you care? GV's are there to bomb. So bomb them.

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Add the Yak3 great fighter plane. Faster and more maneuverable than the supermarine spitfire.
I can't imagine it was faster or significantly more maneuverable than the Spitfire MK XIV... that said it would likely be a better fighter.


That said... Yak 3 :aok
Also... Yak 1, 1b :aok
and Yak 7 :aok
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: wgmount on December 20, 2009, 03:17:59 AM
I can't imagine it was faster or significantly more maneuverable than the Spitfire MK XIV... that said it would likely be a better fighter.

Yak 3

 Performance:
            Maximum Speed: 407 mph
            Ceiling: 35,105 ft.
            Range: 559 miles

Spitfire MK VA

  Performance:
            Maximum Speed: 369 mph
            Ceiling: 36,500 ft.
            Range: 1,135 miles

YAK 1 was a YAK 3 that didn't run well. YAK 7 was a yak 3 that carried bombs.
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Tilt on December 20, 2009, 05:44:29 AM


YAK 1 was a YAK 3 that didn't run well. YAK 7 was a yak 3 that carried bombs.

Yak 3 was a design derivation of the Yak 1M ( a Yak1 with latest power plant, shorter wing and lighter construction)
Yak7  (series..there were several of them) was a design based upon a trainer developed to train pilots for the Yak1
Yak9  (series) was a design derivation of the Yak7D (Di) ( a Yak 7 with slightly shorter wings and latest power plant)
Yak9T had a longer nose (cockpit moved back)for the bigger cannon which was retained on the Yak9M ( It was a Yak9D in a Yak9T body) and the Yak9U (to house the bigger V107 engine)
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Bronk on December 20, 2009, 08:29:48 AM
Yak 3

 Performance:
            Maximum Speed: 407 mph
            Ceiling: 35,105 ft.
            Range: 559 miles

Spitfire MK VA

  Performance:
            Maximum Speed: 369 mph
            Ceiling: 36,500 ft.
            Range: 1,135 miles


Bravo.. now why don't you compare it to the MK XIV. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Motherland on December 20, 2009, 12:06:44 PM
Yak 3

 Performance:
            Maximum Speed: 407 mph
            Ceiling: 35,105 ft.
            Range: 559 miles

Spitfire MK VA

  Performance:
            Maximum Speed: 369 mph
            Ceiling: 36,500 ft.
            Range: 1,135 miles

YAK 1 was a YAK 3 that didn't run well. YAK 7 was a yak 3 that carried bombs.
Awesome you compared a 1941/2 version of the Spitfire to a 1944/45 version of the Yak :aok
The Yak 1 was the best fighter in the VVS at the opening of Operation Barbarossa, and the Yak 7 was developed from a trainer version as Tilt said... eventually evolved into the Yak 9.
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: waystin2 on March 16, 2010, 02:03:51 PM
Ooops.  My finger hit the enter button.  *BUMP*
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: 321BAR on March 16, 2010, 03:10:07 PM
bump diddy bump bump! :lol
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Puck on March 16, 2010, 04:18:08 PM
The 3P model was produced very late war.  Started production in April 1945.  It's borderline on whether it meets HTC's inclusion criteria.  Don't get me wrong, I would love to have it!

Quite a bit of information on the Yaks available; if you поймите русский язык

...and again...
(http://www.ahevents.com/yak3p.jpg)
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: jdbecks on March 16, 2010, 05:49:35 PM
how did the yaks compare to migs? what did the pilots prefer to fly if they had flown both?
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Motherland on March 16, 2010, 06:00:46 PM
how did the yaks compare to migs? what did the pilots prefer to fly if they had flown both?
The Yak-1 was really the only really good fighter the Soviet Union had at the outbreak of the war. The MiG-3 pretty much sucked; it's often cited as the exception that makes the well repeated rule, 'if it looks right it is right'.
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Impakt on March 16, 2010, 11:19:00 PM
It would be my main ride. Yak-9U is in my top three as it is. The plane is in the other game, and under 15,600 feet it is very dominant. Nothing can climb with it and I think the acceleration is tops at those lower alts. It gives 190s and 38s fits. I think it is really (in that game) most effective BnZ and just use the maneuverability as a defensive/ escape/ rtb asset---along with the acceleration. So---YES!!
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: 321BAR on March 17, 2010, 06:04:26 AM
It would be my main ride. Yak-9U is in my top three as it is. The plane is in the other game, and under 15,600 feet it is very dominant. Nothing can climb with it and I think the acceleration is tops at those lower alts. It gives 190s and 38s fits. I think it is really (in that game) most effective BnZ and just use the maneuverability as a defensive/ escape/ rtb asset---along with the acceleration. So---YES!!
IN THAT GAME...  :lol
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Saurdaukar on March 17, 2010, 08:49:07 AM
Bring it on. I Love the Yaks. :aok

+1.  Very tough opponents if flown by someone who knows what they're doing.

Probably the only EAC I think twice about engaging depending on the situation.
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: waystin2 on March 17, 2010, 08:54:15 AM
+1.  Very tough opponents if flown by someone who knows what they're doing.

Probably the only EAC I think twice about engaging depending on the situation.

I concur.  I got into a great rolling Scissors in my Spit 8 against 2 Yak Unicorns at the same time the other night.  It was beautiful and frightening all at the same time.  White knuckle baby!
Title: Re: Yak-3
Post by: Impakt on March 17, 2010, 09:47:47 AM
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IN THAT GAME...  Hehe!

I think WWII flight sims are a bit like religions, ie, everyone is positive that the one they were indoctrinated into is the true one. So, at the WBs forum THIS game is referred to as "an arcade game" for ACM-less hacks---full of squeakers and the historically illiterate. They believe this as fervently as you seem to believe that that game is laughable. I don't want to argue the merits and my presence here, and my closing my account there says all that needs to be said. I don't think that game is a joke though.