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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 68Wooley on December 18, 2009, 10:44:37 AM
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Anyone living in the US snow belt or Canada find this as amusing as I do?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8420057.stm
6 whole inches of snow huh?
I guess the flip side was sitting through the 'storm' in SoCal last weekend. Watching local TV here, you'd think the end of the world was nigh. For our British friends, the 'storm' amounted to a couple of inches of rain...
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When I was going to school at Ft Gordon in GA, we had a quarter inch of snow, they closed the post..... No traffic allowed until it was gone. Feb 84.
Regards,
Kevin
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I do not find it amusing at all.
If that weather hits the southern half of the U.S. everything would stop. If you do not live in an area where that type of weather is normal occurance for winter, there will be a substantial lack of infrastructure to deal with it.
In those cases it is very dangerous. Subzero temperatures with high winds are nothing to laugh at either. People not equipped to deal with those temperatures can find themselves in situations where death is eminent and not even be aware of it until it is too late.
Hope everyone fares well and it does not last long.
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I do not find it amusing at all.
If that weather hits the southern half of the U.S. everything would stop. If you do not live in an area where that type of weather is normal occurance for winter, there will be a substantial lack of infrastructure to deal with it.
In those cases it is very dangerous. Subzero temperatures with high winds are nothing to laugh at either. People not equipped to deal with those temperatures can find themselves in situations where death is eminent and not even be aware of it until it is too late.
Hope everyone fares well and it does not last long.
The thing is, it is a normal occurrence for winter there. Happens every year.
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yeah must be a slow news day ... 20 odd abandoned cars out of 33 million is hardly chaos, the media love a bit of hyperbole :rolleyes:
otoh 1000 homes losing power from a few inches of snow is disgraceful, but completely predictable. the power company is EDF (Électricité de France) who are quite happy to take profits from UK consumers but really dont give 2 toejams about maintaining our utilities infrastructure. half of our utiities are now owned by foreign companies, it bothers me that gas, electricity and even our water supply are owned and operated by people who wont suffer a jot if they fail.
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Urban people on the highway, and you have icing and a blizzard where normally not, and it it a very bad thing.
Being a countryside Icelander, I've seen just about everything in the terms of bad weather. I managed to burn down a car engine on a distance less then a mile, since the snow input filled the engine room, melted, froze, and ripped the fan belt! In that weather, the only thing you could have done was to dig in.
In 2000 (february or march) we had a volcanic eruption close to the capital. The weather was dicey, but just about any idiot on wheels decided to have a look. The result was a catastrophy, if I recall correctly there were 1.400 abandoned cars on a certain (bad) leg of the main road. Due to the incredible effort of the resque squads, nobody died.
1.400 cars out of maybe 100.000 on the whole island is....well, 1.4%
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"We should have listened!!"
(peas and carrots, peas and carrots)
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If we get 6 inches of snow here in Alabama you can count on lost power for at least 5 days since we will have ice with it and then the whole thing comes grinding to a halt FAST!
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I read up to 8" which is a substantial accumulation. I'm still wondering what the point of this Thread is and who it was directed at. :confused:
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I'm reminded of the 90-degree "heat wave" in France a couple years ago.
Try spending a summer in St. Louis, about a mile from the sun....
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My wife worked at a hospital in the middle of winter, and they had 2 patient deaths from the wx. One patient got lost walking in from the parking lot and ended up out by the service entrance, and within just a few minutes was dead from the cold. Another one made a wrong turn inside the building, went out a side exit while wearing just a hospital gown and socks, and died before he could make it around to the front entrance.
That said, a couple of inches of snow in the same country where the Thames used to freeze solid enough for an entire market and festival to be held on the river ice, shouldn't be that big of a deal. In general, people have gotten weak because they figure the govt ought to take care of them, and the flood of immigrants from warmer countries need to figure out how to deal with the cold in a hurry.
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I do not think snow is the only factor here though. Sub-zero temperatures combined with driving winds and then snow mixed with it is a very dangerous combination. I don't care how tough anyone is, that is a killer combination if you are not careful.
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This seems to happen every time there's a Global Warming conference.
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This seems to happen every time there's a Global Warming conference.
And isn't this just a nifty temptation to bust rule #14... :devil
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That said, a couple of inches of snow in the same country where the Thames used to freeze solid enough for an entire market and festival to be held on the river ice, shouldn't be that big of a deal.
lol that was 400 years ago :old:
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If we get 6 inches of snow here in Alabama you can count on lost power for at least 5 days since we will have ice with it and then the whole thing comes grinding to a halt FAST!
I remember last year when it snowed, shut down jeff county, they even had talks of putting sand on the roads.
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I do not find it amusing at all.
If that weather hits the southern half of the U.S. everything would stop. If you do not live in an area where that type of weather is normal occurance for winter, there will be a substantial lack of infrastructure to deal with it.
In those cases it is very dangerous. Subzero temperatures with high winds are nothing to laugh at either. People not equipped to deal with those temperatures can find themselves in situations where death is eminent and not even be aware of it until it is too late.
Hope everyone fares well and it does not last long.
Wait a tic. Don't all you texas folk have 4 wheel drive pickups? ;)
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I do not find it amusing at all.
If that weather hits the southern half of the U.S. everything would stop. If you do not live in an area where that type of weather is normal occurance for winter, there will be a substantial lack of infrastructure to deal with it.
In those cases it is very dangerous. Subzero temperatures with high winds are nothing to laugh at either. People not equipped to deal with those temperatures can find themselves in situations where death is eminent and not even be aware of it until it is too late.
Hope everyone fares well and it does not last long.
This i agree with me being from Atlanta. We don't have the means to deal with more than 3 to 4in of snow.It would cripple us for days. The blizzard in 93 shut us down 3 to 4 weeks. All we do to prep for weather like this is salt most of the main roadway bridges. That is all they do and hope for the best.
EDIT: i may be an bellybutton in the game. But when it comes to real life and people being in danger, i dont find anything funny about it. I have seen and delt with death my whole life (living in a funeral home most my life). Death and harm to others is no laughing matter.
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Sorry but the last few years that I lived in England we were lucky to get more than a dusting anytime during Winter. So yes I can see were this kind of weather would cause disruptions. As was first stated "if this was in the US snow belt" well it isn't so it's apples and oranges.
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6 inches would be a pretty big deal here.
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i looked out of the window this morning and there was a carpet of snow on the ground with a mini snow blizzard :O
think i've seen it snow like that 3 times in 25 years..... i live on the south coast of england...
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i looked out of the window this morning and there was a carpet of snow on the ground with a mini snow blizzard :O
think i've seen it snow like that 3 times in 25 years..... i live on the south coast of england...
haha go make (picking snow angels) :neener:
i kid ya bruv, be safe bro
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Anyone living in the US snow belt or Canada find this as amusing as I do?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8420057.stm
6 whole inches of snow huh?
I guess the flip side was sitting through the 'storm' in SoCal last weekend. Watching local TV here, you'd think the end of the world was nigh. For our British friends, the 'storm' amounted to a couple of inches of rain...
heh......global warming, eh?
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If we get 6 inches of snow here in Alabama you can count on lost power for at least 5 days since we will have ice with it and then the whole thing comes grinding to a halt FAST!
FUnny thing is........
here in nj, it used to be no big deal to deal with 6+ inches of snow. now, with the number of incompetents on the roads, and "new and improved" methods of dealing with it, it's much much harder to deal with.
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I do not think snow is the only factor here though. Sub-zero temperatures combined with driving winds and then snow mixed with it is a very dangerous combination. I don't care how tough anyone is, that is a killer combination if you are not careful.
if you're not careful, you can die from hypothermia on a 70F degree day.
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We're expecting 18" to 24" here on eastern Long Island....
No big deal, we are more than ready.
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My regards,
Widewing
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This i agree with me being from Atlanta. We don't have the means to deal with more than 3 to 4in of snow.It would cripple us for days. The blizzard in 93 shut us down 3 to 4 weeks. All we do to prep for weather like this is salt most of the main roadway bridges. That is all they do and hope for the best.
EDIT: i may be an bellybutton in the game. But when it comes to real life and people being in danger, i dont find anything funny about it. I have seen and delt with death my whole life (living in a funeral home most my life). Death and harm to others is no laughing matter.
i was driving through that storm. you are right. georgia, and both of the carolinas suck at dealing with snow. as soon as i hit virginia, the roads were good.
i made it to dunn, before i had to stop, as i was not able to see beyond my headlights, and at 30mph, i could barley keep the car on the highway. i was driving an 85 5th ave.....rwd.
when i came out of the hotel in the morning, there was 2" of ice coating the entire car.
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I was living in Raleigh NC during the big snowstorm in 2000 (i think). 20-24 inches in six hours. Shut the whole city down for almost 2 weeks. They had no salt for the roads because they had used up their years supply on an icestorm 2 weeks prior. But I grew up in WV where snow is not a regular occurence in large quantities but we get enough that I do no how to drive in it. We are expecting between 8-12 inches by Saturday night as per the forcast. I'll believe it when I see it.
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I was living in Raleigh NC during the big snowstorm in 2000 (i think). 20-24 inches in six hours. Shut the whole city down for almost 2 weeks. They had no salt for the roads because they had used up their years supply on an icestorm 2 weeks prior. But I grew up in WV where snow is not a regular occurence in large quantities but we get enough that I do no how to drive in it. We are expecting between 8-12 inches by Saturday night as per the forcast. I'll believe it when I see it.
IT only takes common sense. it's pretty easy actually.....but then, like you said...i grew up in an area where we get it all the time. and untill the last 6 or 7 years, i only had one car....and it was a mustang. we all know how THOSE things handle in the snow.
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It SHOULDN'T be a big deal if people are prepared for situations like this but a lot of em don't seem to plan ahead then loose all common sense when they do happen.
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IT only takes common sense. it's pretty easy actually.....but then, like you said...i grew up in an area where we get it all the time. and untill the last 6 or 7 years, i only had one car....and it was a mustang. we all know how THOSE things handle in the snow.
Probably about as good as the rear-wheel drive trucks the folks down there were trying to drive in 2 feet of snow. I refused to pull any 2WD trucks out of the ditches stating "I'm sorry, I can't fix stupid". I probably pulled 25 cars out of jams in my 4WD GMC truck those 2 weeks.
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Sub-zero in which temperature scale? If Celsius, they need to get a grip and dress warmer before going outside. If Fahrenheit, then yeah, sub-zero in that case can be dangerous. This is the UK so I'm assuming Celsius, and honestly, it shouldn't be that big of a deal when its still that warm.
As for Widewing, no barrel rolls in that please!
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6 inch's :huh ... thats a dusting around here :D ,, waiting for the 2 feet we are going to get sat nite...
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If that weather hits the southern half of the U.S. everything would stop. If you do not live in an area where that type of weather is normal occurance for winter, there will be a substantial lack of infrastructure to deal with it.
In a lot of instances it is not so much the infrastructure as the people do not know how to handle it. I would be scared to drive in SC in the snow. Don't get me wrong, I know how to drive in the snow, however the majority of people here are bad drivers when weather is fine. Add snow into the equation and I probably would not make it home safely. Most people would not know what to do if they felt their car start to drift on ice and would slam on the breaks making things worse.
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Probably about as good as the rear-wheel drive trucks the folks down there were trying to drive in 2 feet of snow. I refused to pull any 2WD trucks out of the ditches stating "I'm sorry, I can't fix stupid". I probably pulled 25 cars out of jams in my 4WD GMC truck those 2 weeks.
ya. my first pickup was a 1969 chevy c-10. it got totaled before i got to try it in bad weather.
2nd one was a 74 c-10 with a 350, which was recieving a constant oil change. every 3 weeks, i'd dump 3 qts of oil in it. she had 287k or so when i got her......just about 300k when i sold her. she's still running today...still that same leaker.
anyway.......she was 2 wheel drive, with a 3 speed on the column.
tire chains baby!!!! never got stuck.
well......did get stuck once. just kept spinning em till the chains dug down to the ground, then i was away.
after that was a 1970 c-10 4x4, with a small block 400, a 4 speed with granny gear, 4.56 diffs. front was a dana somethign or other limited slip, the rear was another dana something or other, posi. THAT truck is the only truck i've ever owned that i miss.
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Snow is getting near nipple-height where I am :P
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Knew the tunnel was a bad idea. "We shall defend our ISLAND" was the phrase, not "our peninsula."
yeah must be a slow news day ... 20 odd abandoned cars out of 33 million is hardly chaos, the media love a bit of hyperbole :rolleyes:
otoh 1000 homes losing power from a few inches of snow is disgraceful, but completely predictable. the power company is EDF (Électricité de France) who are quite happy to take profits from UK consumers but really dont give 2 soups about maintaining our utilities infrastructure. half of our utiities are now owned by foreign companies, it bothers me that gas, electricity and even our water supply are owned and operated by people who wont suffer a jot if they fail.
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Snow is getting near nipple-height where I am :P
careful there snappy. a squaddie got the banstick for nipple. :noid
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We just loved it. No work, no nothing. We built a jump on the hill and went flying through the air on plastic sledges. My back really hurts now but it was worth it.
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The thing is, it is a normal occurrence for winter there. Happens every year.
No, it's not and no it doesn't.
Anyway, it's too bloody cold to go outside for us Brits. We just say bugger work, let's stay nice and warm in our homes.
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The thing is, it is a normal occurrence for winter there. Happens every year.
No it doesn't. I lived in the South of England (Somerset) for 20 years and can recall snow falling once! And it isn't just England. France, Germany and Belgium are all having problems too.
As for 4WD's, I drive through snow every winter now here in Oregon to get to the mother-in-laws for Christmas and it's always those SUV drivers who ASSume they can go anywhere at any speed I see wrecked on the side of the road. I can count on usually 1 every 5 miles between Arlington and La Grande on I-84.
4WD doesn't keep you safe in adverse driving conditions. Driving safely keeps you safe, or safer at least.
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As for 4WD's, I drive through snow every winter now here in Oregon to get to the mother-in-laws for Christmas and it's always those SUV drivers who ASSume they can go anywhere at any speed I see wrecked on the side of the road. I can count on usually 1 every 5 miles between Arlington and La Grande on I-84.
4WD doesn't keep you safe in adverse driving conditions. Driving safely keeps you safe, or safer at least.
We see the same silly stuff here. My Jeep has all the bells and whistles. 4WD, locking differentials, winter rated 33" tires, traction control, ESP, ABS, crawl range, etc and so forth. All of that will do you no good if you don't use good judgment. I can't count how many SUVs that I've seen crashed out due to dumb driving in snow. The typical SUV doesn't have half the traction technology the Wrangler JK has, and I still drive slow and carefully. Last winter, I had to pull my neighbor's Mistubishi SUV off of a snow berm. He lost control and bashed the berm and high-centered. Likewise, I dragged a high-centered Toyota FJ Cruiser off of a big plowed-up snow mound he though he could climb over. By the way, I'm thinking the FJ stands for "fake Jeep".
The bottom line is that the very best snow capable SUV is still subject to the laws of physics. Drivers need to exercise the same caution as the driver in a typical sedan.
My regards,
Widewing
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No it doesn't. I lived in the South of England (Somerset) for 20 years and can recall snow falling once! And it isn't just England. France, Germany and Belgium are all having problems too.
As for 4WD's, I drive through snow every winter now here in Oregon to get to the mother-in-laws for Christmas and it's always those SUV drivers who ASSume they can go anywhere at any speed I see wrecked on the side of the road. I can count on usually 1 every 5 miles between Arlington and La Grande on I-84.
4WD doesn't keep you safe in adverse driving conditions. Driving safely keeps you safe, or safer at least.
something about these awd and 4wd vehicles that should be cleared up.
when you're driving a 2wd vehicle, it is in reality, only a 1 wheel drive....unless you have a posi or limited slip differential.
the same goes for 4wd vehicles. without limited slip differentials, you're only really running 2 wheel drive at that point.
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No it doesn't. I lived in the South of England (Somerset) for 20 years and can recall snow falling once! And it isn't just England. France, Germany and Belgium are all having problems too.
As for 4WD's, I drive through snow every winter now here in Oregon to get to the mother-in-laws for Christmas and it's always those SUV drivers who ASSume they can go anywhere at any speed I see wrecked on the side of the road. I can count on usually 1 every 5 miles between Arlington and La Grande on I-84.
4WD doesn't keep you safe in adverse driving conditions. Driving safely keeps you safe, or safer at least.
Yup, just because you have plenty of go, doesn't translate to plenty of whoa.
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No it doesn't. I lived in the South of England (Somerset) for 20 years and can recall snow falling once!
OK, I don't want to push this because clearly the weather in England is exceptional and I was a bit off with my original post. Also, with the weather on the US East Coast right now my timing sucked so apologies to anyone who was / is offended.
However, with that said, I have to say the statement above is total BS. It would be an unusual winter in England where snow didn't fall at least once. Maybe in your twenty years there, you don't remember it, but in my thirty plus years in Britain, I both remember it and experienced it.
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Is your stipulation of Britain instead of England because you are referring to Scotland. I'll admit snow in that area or even the north of England would be somewhat normal especially Scotland.
The point I'm making is that in the south of England, where this snow is falling, it is a rare deal and to prove that fact they are un-prepared to deal with it.
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Its true, I'm Scottish. But I lived in London most of my adult life, prior to moving to the US.
Look, this is probably not the time for this conversation. Sorry I started it.
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<S> gents, just checking in and posting from SE Connecticutt. spelling minus one
Just hoofed it home from my favorite watering hole.... (powered by crown royal)
2 Ft of snow and killer winds. The winds are a killer. The power is spotty at best in my neck of the woods
Lucky for me I buy quality chain saws, (Stihl...... nothing else compares!). There are 5 maples down on my property alone.
Lots of damage, but I'm doing fine. I'll have some serious plowing to do in the morning!
The chains were rigged on the John Deer tractor two days ago.
I need a bigger tractor to deal with the weight of snow + downed trees.
None of the trees have fallen on my house yet.
The wood stove runs without electricity. Like Martha says "this is a good thing". I can cook breakfast for the kids in the morning with or without electricity.
Scrambled eggs W/ sausage on the wood stove, then we're out sledding on the local hill. :aok
Without doubt a major storm; I sincerely hope everyone is fairing well in this foul weather.
, LTARjink
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work in it year after boring year i like snow its not rain at 36 degrees
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Wait a tic. Don't all you Texas folk have 4 wheel drive pickups? ;)
Four wheel drive will only get you started sliding faster. I live 50 mi north of Birmingham and once we got 14 inches of snow It shut the whole state down for about a week. The people that think this is funny live in areas equipped to handle it or are just plane ignorant. Remind me to stay off the road if Bronk has a drivers license.
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Well, the snow is coming down ridiculously thick here in manchester, the slight slope of my street causing everyone to slide down. Getting really worried that my car is gonna get hit.
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The biggest problem is the numpties who can not drive in adverse conditions over here, and just because the roads look clear drive around like its normal, and then people wonder why there are loads of car crahses :uhoh
The point I'm making is that in the south of England, where this snow is falling, it is a rare deal and to prove that fact they are un-prepared to deal with it.
its not rare for us to have snow, I live in essex, and we get snow almost every year, last year we had the biggest snow fall for quite some time, this year is not that bad.
the only snow report over the years I can find
http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=other;type=winthist;sess=
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I live in northern England and yes your right we do get snow at least once a year but its not usually this bad or this cold, its crazy we get snow then the rain follows and turns it all into ice then it snows again, so its snow on ice on snow kinda thing.
Obviously its not as bad as a lot of other places in the world but for us Brits its deffinatly not normal usually we get like a day of snow then it doesnt bother for the rest of the year but its looking like our first white christmas in years.
My lad is out now with his mates sledging because he has never had the opportunity to do it before hes 10 years old thats how rare this kind of weather is over here.
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I live in northern England
I can not belive you would admit that on a public forum :rofl :noid :bolt:
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I can not belive you would admit that on a public forum :rofl :noid :bolt:
Pfft The south sucks,and so does their football :rofl :rofl
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I can not belive you would admit that on a public forum :rofl :noid :bolt:
LMAO :rofl
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And isn't this just a nifty temptation to bust rule #14... :devil
Mind the temptation to moderation. ;)
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Four wheel drive will only get you started sliding faster. I live 50 mi north of Birmingham and once we got 14 inches of snow It shut the whole state down for about a week. The people that think this is funny live in areas equipped to handle it or are just plane ignorant. Remind me to stay off the road if Bronk has a drivers license.
I'm glad you caught the sarcasm in my post. I live in a New England state. Been driving in snowy conditions since I was 16. I'm 40 now haven't even touched a curb with snow on the ground.
So next time you want to run your yap. Think first...k.
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I live in a New England state.
I can not belive you would admit that on a public forum :rofl :noid :bolt:
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:furious ;)
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New England/Mid Atlantic>All
:D
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I live where we do occasionally get substantial amounts of snow.
What always amuses me is that every time this happens. the stores run out of snow blowers and shovels.
What are these people doing with them?? Using them once then throwing them away?
Also find amusing is every time this happens. People flock to the store and buy enough groceries to last a month, as if we might actually be snowed in that long.
Hell. I dont even go out of my way to buy bread or milk unless we are actually out of it.
Snowed yesterday and all of last night. We by my house got about a foot. Depending on how it drifted. some spots a little more. others a little less.
Any event. Enough to make me use my 10 year old snow blower. I woke up around 10:00. 10:30 went out, did my driveway and sidewalk. And 11:30 ran to the store for some smokes and my Monster drink. While I was there. picked up a bag of rock salt for the places that were ppacked down from walking on that the snow blower didnt get up.
Roads were clear. Actually they were clear at 10:00 when I got up and looked out side. And thats pretty typical around here regardless of how much snow we get.
Which is why I find it so amusing when I see people hoarding groceries at the very threat of snow.
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2 inches grinds DC to a halt.
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I live where we do occasionally get substantial amounts of snow.
What always amuses me is that every time this happens. the stores run out of snow blowers and shovels.
What are these people doing with them?? Using them once then throwing them away?
Also find amusing is every time this happens. People flock to the store and buy enough groceries to last a month, as if we might actually be snowed in that long.
Hell. I dont even go out of my way to buy bread or milk unless we are actually out of it.
Snowed yesterday and all of last night. We by my house got about a foot. Depending on how it drifted. some spots a little more. others a little less.
Any event. Enough to make me use my 10 year old snow blower. I woke up around 10:00. 10:30 went out, did my driveway and sidewalk. And 11:30 ran to the store for some smokes and my Monster drink. While I was there. picked up a bag of rock salt for the places that were ppacked down from walking on that the snow blower didnt get up.
Roads were clear. Actually they were clear at 10:00 when I got up and looked out side. And thats pretty typical around here regardless of how much snow we get.
Which is why I find it so amusing when I see people hoarding groceries at the very threat of snow.
we actually got ,more then. here in south jersey.
there was a foot in my driveway last night, when i hit it with the blower. there was over a foot there today.
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buncha snow puzzies!
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