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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: legoman on December 21, 2009, 06:09:02 PM
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I was impressed by the F6F in the game so i decided to look for a R/C model, i have a post link and want your opinion on wither or not i should get the plane. By the way i am also new to this hobby so i may wreck it on the first try. Sorry about the different language, but this was the only video i could find with my exact plane. :airplane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agqo58y16dI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agqo58y16dI)
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This post is going to be very general (I dont know what you have flown)
But from what I hear the freewing planes fly nicely (They design their EDFs carefully so this should be the same) I would not recommend you get one at all for if this is your first plane. I have been flying r/c for years but at the beginning fought temptation to start out with a P-47. It was the best decision I ever made in the hobby... I would say go for it, but get a parkzone high wing plane at the same time and fly that first... That is, if you must have one that is ready to fly. There is a learning curve, even for most experienced sim addicts and real life pilots when it comes to flying R/C. Look me up on www.rcgroups.com (username: 68Strat)
If you have flown before and have a good record with an easier to fly craft, I say go for it but keep the rates low.
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My first plane was called the wild hawk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2fNh08HNz4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2fNh08HNz4) sorry these are video's but i can't post pics for some reason, and i can fly it for over 3 mins at a time in a very confined space.
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Perfect first plane there... Can you fly through a charge in an open area? I think you would do ok with the freewing. I hear they are pretty forgiving as far as warbirds go and the stock gear is pretty light.
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i fly in very confined spaces, so a wide open field would be pretty new to me. but flying in confined space does provide problems if you loose control, just the other day some wind took the controls away from me and sent it into the natural spring my my house. I was able to land it on some solid ground but it took us 45 minutes to reach it and by then we were soaked wet and had thorns in places they shouldn't be. :rofl plane is fine though for now...... :noid
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I've been teaching people to fly R/C airplanes since about 1988... I would never ever ever ever ever recommend a plane like that for a beginner. You will destroy it.
R/C flying is a great hobby, but it isn't a cheap one. It also has a bit of a learning curve. Trying to jump into the hobby with a plane like that will lead to nothing but grief for you.
Do it right and start with a high wing trainer. Something like a Goldberg Eagle 2, or Sig Kadet LT40... Build your first plane, don't buy one that is ready to fly. You'll learn a lot about the hobby during construction.
Then find a local club and an experienced trainer.
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I was told the wild hawk was the best trainer to get so i got it and after a few months i'm really good with it, only problem is the battery and charger suck, thus limiting my flight times, but other than that i'm the best in miles.
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I was told the wild hawk was the best trainer to get so i got it and after a few months i'm really good with it, only problem is the battery and charger suck, thus limiting my flight times, but other than that i'm the best in miles.
For the record, I was talking about the F6 model in the first video clip. The thing you have is better for a beginner, but it's still just a glorified toy. If you really want to learn the hobby you need to get into the bigger, balsa models.
As long as you are having fun though, I guess.
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Well i'm doing the best i can and feel the f6f given i go at it slowly in big area's it should last. but i'm not going against your advice i totally agree with you.
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Here is another video off of youtube that i though would be cool to watch. The mans name is Billy D and he's the best at flying the wildhawk, also another reason i bought the wild hawk in the first place.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv_i90pyrdY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv_i90pyrdY) :airplane:
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For the record, I was talking about the F6 model in the first video clip. The thing you have is better for a beginner, but it's still just a glorified toy. If you really want to learn the hobby you need to get into the bigger, balsa models.
As long as you are having fun though, I guess.
I have built and flown about 5 built up balsa stick models and hundreds of my own foam designs... As fitting your definition the balsa birds are toys which are glorified even more due to the fact they like to explode. I love it when I take my electric foamies (or the occasional built up balsa project) to the flying field and the nitro guys give me dirty looks... Then I realize I am having 5x as much fun as them and my designs are much more intricate and original than any kit on the market. :rock
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I have built and flown about 5 built up balsa stick models and hundreds of my own foam designs... As fitting your definition the balsa birds are toys which are glorified even more due to the fact they like to explode. I love it when I take my electric foamies (or the occasional built up balsa project) to the flying field and the nitro guys give me dirty looks... Then I realize I am having 5x as much fun as them and my designs are much more intricate and original than any kit on the market. :rock
Would love to see some photos of some of your designs... Here is a photo of a 1/12th scale P51 that I scratch built last winter (this photo is before it was finished). I'm going to do an F4U next.
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/Davis_Andrews/IMG_1478.jpg)
I like the 1/12th combat scale planes because they are fun to fly but will still fit in the back of a smaller car.
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Do it right and start with a high wing trainer. Something like a Goldberg Eagle 2, or Sig Kadet LT40... Build your first plane, don't buy one that is ready to fly. You'll learn a lot about the hobby during construction.
Then find a local club and an experienced trainer.
What he said! Here's my Eagle2 ARF (Almost Ready to Fly). I've built planes from kits, but this purchase was one was more out of convenience. I did have a Thundertiger GP .42 engine on it, but it needs rings, I think. Compression is lacking. Now I have a 20 year old ringless O.S. SF .40 on it. Waiting for better weather at this point.
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7500/sspx0080.jpg)
I would recommend visiting www.towerhobbies.com as well. Good information there if you are considering this hobby.
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Nice 51!
Probably the most interesting craft I have designed and flown on a regular basis was my lifting body AP plane which I used to map the watershed of a local pond as well as look for seaweed density off shore.
My latest scratch builds are 2 Dr.1s the large off scale blue one is a favorite, but the smaller 20" version is a hoot to fly on 3 channels. It will do an axial roll on rudder input alone! I added ailerons to the bigger blue one though but found I needed to extend them onto the second wing to get an enough roll authority.
(http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=2686020&d=1249825608)
(http://static.rcgroups.com/forums/attachments/3/4/8/3/3/a2686015-133-dr1.jpg?d=1249825417)
(http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=2769925&d=1253480011) before adding cockpit detail and guns
You can download the Beta plans to my 20" version if anyone is interested
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Probably some of the most fun I have had in R/c comes from just experimenting. This little flying wing may not look like much to a real modeler, but to me it satisfied a thirst to build one that flew without any vertical stab/s
I used a spreadsheet I found for the Pankin twist formula and used a heat gun to warp the wings accordingly. It flew amazingly well!
(http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=1824498&d=1208632842)
(http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=1824497&d=1208632799)
Another quick project that was fun, was my airco inspired vintage bipe.
(http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=1940396&d=1214762850)
An old old shot, of my scratchbuilt "edf-40" He-162. This was just after the low powered GWS fans came out... I think I was about 14 when this was taken back in 03
(http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=1345831&d=1181488679)
This hobby is about having fun, whether it be showing off amazing scale detail work or a quick from brain to foam design :aok
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Very cool!
I don't have the luxury to build so I resorted to the Parkzone line of parkfliers. I'm still somewhat new to the hobby but its fun as hell and plan to get into it more later down the road. Here's my PZ 190 that I painted for laughs. Not quite finished, still need to apply the rest of the decals and touch ups. Not to mention some detail/weathering eventually:
(https://secure.filesanywhere.com/FS/M.aspx?v=8969688d5da2b0ba9d9c)
EDIT: Did I mention this hobby is ADDICTING?? :devil Less than six months into it and look at me!
(https://secure.filesanywhere.com/FS/M.aspx?v=896b638b609f9fa7b368)
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Its great to see the effort put into dressing a PZ bird up!
Probably the best little warbird I have ever flown was the GWS zero with a nice brushless motor... Very fast and very fun!
(http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=622653&d=1129928934)
If you ever see those big foam planes at a hardware store... They make really relaxing flyers!
(http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=559303&d=1123711121)
My last nitro plane I have left is the great planes .15 size P-51! I may have to take it out this spring... What a blast!
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Very cool!
I don't have the luxury to build so I resorted to the Parkzone line of parkfliers. I'm still somewhat new to the hobby but its fun as hell and plan to get into it more later down the road. Here's my PZ 190 that I painted for laughs. Not quite finished, still need to apply the rest of the decals and touch ups. Not to mention some detail/weathering eventually:
(https://secure.filesanywhere.com/FS/M.aspx?v=8969688d5da2b0ba9d9c)
Do I see some 109 wings under the table in that photo! :D
I really love building them from scratch... I collect plan sheets like you wouldn't believe. Right now, I have plan sheets for:
- P51
- 109
- 190A5
- P47
- P38
- Mosquito
- A6M
- F4U
- Albatros DIII
- SE5a
The WW2 birds are all designed for 1/12th scale, but I have imported most of them into my computer and can resize them to any scale I want... The Albatros and SE5a plans are 1/8th scale... The 1/12th scale is also nice because the .20 2 cycle engines are pretty inexpensive and plenty powerful for the roughly 38-40" wing spans. I've also got some Me262 plans that I plan on adapting for electric ducted fan eventually.
Here's a good company that sells some nice plan sheets for anyone who likes to scratch build.
http://www.clevelandairline.com/default.asp
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EDIT: Did I mention this hobby is ADDICTING?? devil Less than six months into it and look at me!
I do agree this hobby is very addicting. I only have one problem that i don't want happening in the future, this clip will explain. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :roflhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeTDaWf6fps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeTDaWf6fps)
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Nice 109 and 190 KungFu, but my 109 is bigger :)
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I have 2 Blade400s, 3 Blade CX2s, a CH-47, and a C-47 that will be Buzz Buggy when I finish it. The C-47 it going to be Electric, with Robart Retracts, and scale 3 blade props.
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Building a 1/6th P-38 from a yellow kit right now, have built many planes, including my jet.. been in this hobby for.. too long.. lol 25 years or so... started when I was 7 yrs old. Heres a few photos of a few of my birds...
These have been posted in another thread, but figured id toss em here too
(http://photos.bravenet.com/389/645/485/93E5AAB2AE.jpg)
Yellow Aircraft F/A-18 modified for twin Jetcat P-80 turbines, instead of the single 120
(http://photos.bravenet.com/389/645/485/136CEFD072.jpg)
46% (nearly half scale) Hangar 9 Ultimate Bi-plane, has a Desert Aircraft 170cc 4 cylinder engine on it.
(http://photos.bravenet.com/389/645/485/D6AE4E78BB.jpg)
Great planes giant scale P-51 (photo taken during our club's airshow, ww2 re-enacment scenerio) With a Saito 180
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Do I see some 109 wings under the table in that photo! :D
I really love building them from scratch... I collect plan sheets like you wouldn't believe. Right now, I have plan sheets for:
- P51
- 109
- 190A5
- P47
- P38
- Mosquito
- A6M
- F4U
- Albatros DIII
- SE5a
The WW2 birds are all designed for 1/12th scale, but I have imported most of them into my computer and can resize them to any scale I want... The Albatros and SE5a plans are 1/8th scale... The 1/12th scale is also nice because the .20 2 cycle engines are pretty inexpensive and plenty powerful for the roughly 38-40" wing spans. I've also got some Me262 plans that I plan on adapting for electric ducted fan eventually.
Here's a good company that sells some nice plan sheets for anyone who likes to scratch build.
http://www.clevelandairline.com/default.asp
Where did you get the 38 plans? I would love to build a 1/12 38 after im done with my 1/6 38. Put a couple of electrics on it and it owuld be a blast to buzz around with when I dont wanna haul the big birds out...
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Where did you get the 38 plans? I would love to build a 1/12 38 after im done with my 1/6 38. Put a couple of electrics on it and it owuld be a blast to buzz around with when I dont wanna haul the big birds out...
The 38 plans came from Model Airplane News magazine many years ago, but they are still available at rcstore.com. Here's a link to them.
https://secure.rcstore.com/pcd/eServCart?iServ=MDY3QUo0NjYzMSZpUGFnZUlkPTc4NjgyJmlJbnZJZD0yNzU4OSZpU2t1TGlzdD0maVN1YlRlcm09MA==
Or you can find plans for most anything at Cleveland Model & Supply
http://www.clevelandairline.com/CM/CATALOG.shtml
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I was impressed by the F6F in the game so i decided to look for a R/C model, i have a post link and want your opinion on wither or not i should get the plane. By the way i am also new to this hobby so i may wreck it on the first try. Sorry about the different language, but this was the only video i could find with my exact plane. :airplane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agqo58y16dI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agqo58y16dI)
short answer.
if you've been only flying r/c for a short period of time, then stay away from warbirds. they're not nearly as easy to fly as sport models or trainers.
you need to work your way up.
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i have been flying r/c planes for 8 months now and i'm getting really good at it.
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i have been flying r/c planes for 8 months now and i'm getting really good at it.
That's what I thought.. before trees and powerlines became an issue. :o
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i have been flying r/c planes for 8 months now and i'm getting really good at it.
8 months is nothing. you're still new. you've got quite a few crashes coming before you hit warbirds.
a decent plane....although kinda ugly......is he world models t-34. it's rugged, fast, easily repairable, and lands slow and stable as a trainer.
i've been through 4 of them. on my 5th now...and it's been repaird 2x.
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i have been flying r/c planes for 8 months now and i'm getting really good at it.
8 months is nothing. you're still new. you've got quite a few crashes coming before you hit warbirds.
a decent plane....although kinda ugly......is he world models t-34. it's rugged, fast, easily repairable, and lands slow and stable as a trainer.
i've been through 4 of them. on my 5th now...and it's been repaird 2x.
Yea, I've been flying nearly 8 years and now I am just getting good.
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Yea, I've been flying nearly 8 years and now I am just getting good.
from what i can judge by seeing the stuff you fly, and seeing what you put in here, i'd say you're WAY past "just getting good".
some of the old guys(and i say that with respect) in my club wouldn't fly some of the neat stuff i've seen you post about. :aok
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Good Luck with the Hellcat. :aok But by any chance you hit a tree with it. Just look to the sky and yell. GO* Beeeeeeeeeeeep beep! you
Lagger86! Whyyyyy. :D
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from what i can judge by seeing the stuff you fly, and seeing what you put in here, i'd say you're WAY past "just getting good".
some of the old guys(and i say that with respect) in my club wouldn't fly some of the neat stuff i've seen you post about. :aok
ahh, your too kind :) I think the skill comes when your under pressure, such as a like an engine dies, or the wheels don't come down. When you can turn a bad situation into a decent one, that's when you are starting to get good. Most people fold under the pressure, and crash their airplanes when really, it was a manageable save. I think I found out how good I was a couple of weeks ago, when I was flying that 101'' Zero, and while I was flying with it, the wheel came off. I decided that it would be easier to leave the wheels down and try and land it on the wheel that wasn't off, other than landing it without the wheels and finding a rock out in the grass.
Little did we know,or at least the builder knew, that there was a filter in the fuel line, and what that was doing was that there was a little dirt in this filter, it would lean the engine, and at sometime it was going to die.
Anyways, I come in to land and had too fast of and approach so I decide to go around. at about 60 degrees of an angle when I was going around, the engine dies, with the flaps, and gear down, with no engine. At any moment, that airplane was going to stall, and at one point it stated to sagg, or stall. I put rudder in to pull a hammer head, and somehow, I got enough speed to keep it flying, and I pulled out of the dive. Oh, I forgot to mention I was only about 20 feet off the ground? Yea.
So after I leveled out, the first thing I could think to myself was to put the gear back up. I hit the gear switch and just as the geat went up, the airplane landed.
That's what made me think to myself how good I've become and it also showed everyone else how good I was. Its when your at the verge of a crash, and pull it out to a save, thats were the skill it.
To be honest, anyone can fly an airplane, or warbird for that matter, with the right amount of skill. The actual skill comes from being under pressure.
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ahh, your too kind :) I think the skill comes when your under pressure, such as a like an engine dies, or the wheels don't come down. When you can turn a bad situation into a decent one, that's when you are starting to get good. Most people fold under the pressure, and crash their airplanes when really, it was a manageable save. I think I found out how good I was a couple of weeks ago, when I was flying that 101'' Zero, and while I was flying with it, the wheel came off. I decided that it would be easier to leave the wheels down and try and land it on the wheel that wasn't off, other than landing it without the wheels and finding a rock out in the grass.
Little did we know,or at least the builder knew, that there was a filter in the fuel line, and what that was doing was that there was a little dirt in this filter, it would lean the engine, and at sometime it was going to die.
Anyways, I come in to land and had too fast of and approach so I decide to go around. at about 60 degrees of an angle when I was going around, the engine dies, with the flaps, and gear down, with no engine. At any moment, that airplane was going to stall, and at one point it stated to sagg, or stall. I put rudder in to pull a hammer head, and somehow, I got enough speed to keep it flying, and I pulled out of the dive. Oh, I forgot to mention I was only about 20 feet off the ground? Yea.
So after I leveled out, the first thing I could think to myself was to put the gear back up. I hit the gear switch and just as the geat went up, the airplane landed.
That's what made me think to myself how good I've become and it also showed everyone else how good I was. Its when your at the verge of a crash, and pull it out to a save, thats were the skill it.
To be honest, anyone can fly an airplane, or warbird for that matter, with the right amount of skill. The actual skill comes from being under pressure.
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i hear that.
with my world models t34....i used to basicaly "yank" her off the ground, into a steep climb. generally, if i was in the mood, i'd do a snap roll on climb out. very low, and generally almost 0 airspeed coming out of the roll.
well....i did that one day, and the engine quit in the snap. the nose dropped, and it was all i could do to NOT pull back on the elevator. she still crashed hard enough to break, but was fixable.
another time, flying my hangar 9 t34(she weighs 7.5 pounds with an os 50sx), the timer went off telling me i was low on fuel. pull the gear switch, do a slow low flyby to verify wheels down n lockes. nose was, left main was. right main wasn't.
so i take her high, wobble the wings hard, snap roll, yank into sudden climb...anything i can think of to get that wheel down. nothign worked.
i thought about pulling the gear up, but decided against it, and landed on the 2 wheels. so i line her up on a long shallow approach, cross the "fence" with the wheels almost brushing the weeds there(they're about 2 ft tall), and killed the engine as i crossed. pulled into a flare, and kept a little left aielron in it to keep it on the left main. touched down nice n gentle, held the nose up as long as i could, then it settles, then the right wing finally drops, as the speed is super low now.
zero damage. then i turned around, and saw that about 14 people were watching me to see if i pulled it off or not. had i known they were watching, i'd probably have screwed the pooch on that one.
another time, larry and i were flying formation. both with t-34's. we were trying to keep it tight. well......we sorta collided coming down the runway at about 30 ft alt.
neither one crashed, we just veered off, and landed.....then laughed our tulips off. :aok
i won't even go into the aircraft carrier we had built at one time. suffice it to say, that it ate 7 planes in it's first day of use. :rofl
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I had my left elevator chopped off on a branch of a tree, how the wing still made it idk, but as i came around the low battery singled the engine to quit and i had to come in for a glide. A was able to land on my lawn with a lot of damage done to the rear of the plane, i must agree i do not fold under pressure and that i can solve most problems providing i have the time to think about what to do next. Now it seems instinct to land it in my lawn if a piece breaks off, I'm hoping i can use this to my advantage when i get my hellcat.
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That's what I thought.. before trees and powerlines became an issue. :o
Trees and powerlines? You got off easy!
Try radio-interference, leading to a loss of control and a high speed impact (P51 Mustang) with a third story doctor's office condo window in Missoula, Montana (1993?). Over $10,000 damage- to the window, ceiling (a plant hanging from the ceiling was hit, and the plant ended up upside down in the ceiling), computers, door on the other side of the office, glass 15 feet down the adjoining hallway, etc. What a mess. The office had closed and emptied of people about 1/2 hour before I hit it... Imagine turning a 6x8 ft window, several panes thick, into the consistency of sand/flour (sharp, though) and distributing it across three keyboards, into the vents on the top of the computer monitors, etc... Glass shards were impaled in the hardwood door across the office.
Fortunately, when the doctor/owner of the building found out I was making $4.75/hour (after two raises and a promotion) at the local Burger King, he let me work off the deductibles at his llama ranch for $10/hour. Nice guy! I got off lucky!
Don't fly by "stuff" you can't afford to hit!
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Trees and powerlines? You got off easy!
Try radio-interference, leading to a loss of control and a high speed impact (P51 Mustang) with a third story doctor's office condo window in Missoula, Montana (1993?). Over $10,000 damage- to the window, ceiling (a plant hanging from the ceiling was hit, and the plant ended up upside down in the ceiling), computers, door on the other side of the office, glass 15 feet down the adjoining hallway, etc. What a mess. The office had closed and emptied of people about 1/2 hour before I hit it... Imagine turning a 6x8 ft window, several panes thick, into the consistency of sand/flour (sharp, though) and distributing it across three keyboards, into the vents on the top of the computer monitors, etc... Glass shards were impaled in the hardwood door across the office.
Fortunately, when the doctor/owner of the building found out I was making $4.75/hour (after two raises and a promotion) at the local Burger King, he let me work off the deductibles at his llama ranch for $10/hour. Nice guy! I got off lucky!
Don't fly by "stuff" you can't afford to hit!
:rofl :lol I laugh, but I feel for ya' man. That is a harsh predicament to face.
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Trees and powerlines? You got off easy!
Try radio-interference, leading to a loss of control and a high speed impact (P51 Mustang) with a third story doctor's office condo window in Missoula, Montana (1993?). Over $10,000 damage- to the window, ceiling (a plant hanging from the ceiling was hit, and the plant ended up upside down in the ceiling), computers, door on the other side of the office, glass 15 feet down the adjoining hallway, etc. What a mess. The office had closed and emptied of people about 1/2 hour before I hit it... Imagine turning a 6x8 ft window, several panes thick, into the consistency of sand/flour (sharp, though) and distributing it across three keyboards, into the vents on the top of the computer monitors, etc... Glass shards were impaled in the hardwood door across the office.
Fortunately, when the doctor/owner of the building found out I was making $4.75/hour (after two raises and a promotion) at the local Burger King, he let me work off the deductibles at his llama ranch for $10/hour. Nice guy! I got off lucky!
Don't fly by "stuff" you can't afford to hit!
can you imagine if you did that now? they'd have had ya drawn n quartered.
i've been lucky...the only thing i've ever hit, was other planes, the ground, and the aircraft carrier deck we used to have,.
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So... I hit the building... I go into the hospital and ask for a maintenance person to help me get in. He sees the problem, calls the owner, says" We need you to come back in, someone crashed a small airplane into your building...".
So, the doctor gets there... Says "Ah! I was expecting a bigger "small plane" (airport is nearby...). See's the wreckage of my plane as we walk into the office. Is pretty fascinated... Wants to know if I can salvage it (No!).
As he's perusing the scene, and examining my plane carefully, he says "Is your name/ID on this plane?" I say "No sir". He thinks about it and says, "Had you left, and not come looking for someone to help you get into the building, how would I have ever figured out who was at fault?" "I'm not sure, sir... You probably wouldn't have...". It turns out that MtnMan is an Eagle Scout, and doesn't walk away from his responsibilities, even if it sucks at times.
Honesty... He says "Let me reward your honesty, with some help. I'll have this taken care of, you just pay off the deductible by helping out on my ranch, for $10/hr credit". When I was done with the deductible, he offered to keep me on for the same wages.
I no longer fly near populated areas. Period. Bad things can happen very quickly.
As my plane headed toward the hospital, it passed directly over a soccer field full of kids at about 20-30 feet altitude. Somehow it stayed level, but was not in my control. It then flew past the hospital, just missing the parking lot full of cars, so low that I thought it had gone down. Once past the hospital, it turned around, climbed, and hit the top level of this building. A ten pound plane flying fast, with a big ol' prop on the front. I shudder to think of what could have happened. I've had interference before, and it's always ended with a quick, sudden crash. Never with sustained, long distance flight. Except for this one time...
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So... I hit the building... I go into the hospital and ask for a maintenance person to help me get in. He sees the problem, calls the owner, says" We need you to come back in, someone crashed a small airplane into your building...".
So, the doctor gets there... Says "Ah! I was expecting a bigger "small plane" (airport is nearby...). See's the wreckage of my plane as we walk into the office. Is pretty fascinated... Wants to know if I can salvage it (No!).
As he's perusing the scene, and examining my plane carefully, he says "Is your name/ID on this plane?" I say "No sir". He thinks about it and says, "Had you left, and not come looking for someone to help you get into the building, how would I have ever figured out who was at fault?" "I'm not sure, sir... You probably wouldn't have...". It turns out that MtnMan is an Eagle Scout, and doesn't walk away from his responsibilities, even if it sucks at times.
Honesty... He says "Let me reward your honesty, with some help. I'll have this taken care of, you just pay off the deductible by helping out on my ranch, for $10/hr credit". When I was done with the deductible, he offered to keep me on for the same wages.
I no longer fly near populated areas. Period. Bad things can happen very quickly.
As my plane headed toward the hospital, it passed directly over a soccer field full of kids at about 20-30 feet altitude. Somehow it stayed level, but was not in my control. It then flew past the hospital, just missing the parking lot full of cars, so low that I thought it had gone down. Once past the hospital, it turned around, climbed, and hit the top level of this building. A ten pound plane flying fast, with a big ol' prop on the front. I shudder to think of what could have happened. I've had interference before, and it's always ended with a quick, sudden crash. Never with sustained, long distance flight. Except for this one time...
you sir, then deserve a <<S>>. you are a rare breed. too bad there's not many like you left.
one of our club members had a pitts.....it was giant scale. he had never set the failsafe. lost control on take off. it continued to climb straight out.
one of our members is a helicopter flight instructor. he went to the airport, grabbed a schweizer, and went off in the direction it was headed. they found it in a guys back yard right next to lenape high school. or what was left of it.
thankfully, it hit nothing, and no one.
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I was flying my B-400 in a baseball field that was not being used, and a Soldier ran thru it as a short cut. I had to punch out so that he would not hit it as he ran by. He never saw it. THat would have been really bad, 2200 RPM at the head and carbon fiber blades, that would probably hurt a little. So I started flying out behind the shop. 3 weeks before I was supposed to come home I was doing some light 3D and the tail rotor belt broke, while inverted, I mailed the peices back.
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So... I hit the building... I go into the hospital and ask for a maintenance person to help me get in. He sees the problem, calls the owner, says" We need you to come back in, someone crashed a small airplane into your building...".
So, the doctor gets there... Says "Ah! I was expecting a bigger "small plane" (airport is nearby...). See's the wreckage of my plane as we walk into the office. Is pretty fascinated... Wants to know if I can salvage it (No!).
As he's perusing the scene, and examining my plane carefully, he says "Is your name/ID on this plane?" I say "No sir". He thinks about it and says, "Had you left, and not come looking for someone to help you get into the building, how would I have ever figured out who was at fault?" "I'm not sure, sir... You probably wouldn't have...". It turns out that MtnMan is an Eagle Scout, and doesn't walk away from his responsibilities, even if it sucks at times.
Honesty... He says "Let me reward your honesty, with some help. I'll have this taken care of, you just pay off the deductible by helping out on my ranch, for $10/hr credit". When I was done with the deductible, he offered to keep me on for the same wages.
I no longer fly near populated areas. Period. Bad things can happen very quickly.
As my plane headed toward the hospital, it passed directly over a soccer field full of kids at about 20-30 feet altitude. Somehow it stayed level, but was not in my control. It then flew past the hospital, just missing the parking lot full of cars, so low that I thought it had gone down. Once past the hospital, it turned around, climbed, and hit the top level of this building. A ten pound plane flying fast, with a big ol' prop on the front. I shudder to think of what could have happened. I've had interference before, and it's always ended with a quick, sudden crash. Never with sustained, long distance flight. Except for this one time...
ace pilot :D
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I saw a Quickie500 pylon racer go out of control and pass through one side of a full sized van back in the early '90s.
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Ok , I am getting back into RC Plane's . Time to pull out the old SPAD's ....!!!! :rock
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Low wing R/C planes are advanced level.
You need to learn the basic with top wing trainer then gradually go down to mid wing model.
After many hours of flying, then build/fly your WWII low wing model.
PFactorDave wrote some good advice for you to follow.
Unless you are a rich man and can afford wasting your time buying many model and spending many hours at the R/C field, go for it !
ps. I've seen accidents and the R/C owner being civilly responsible. $$$$$$.00 You would be wise to belong to a club with insurance coverage.
I've seen an 81" wingspan Spitfire fly thru the side of a barn ! The 120/OS engine was a meteor at 80mph dive ! Livestock went crazy inside the barn ! The farmer provide him with the damages estimate. Well over $3000.00 No one was was injured
The film you posted seemed to be a fairly small electric plane. This was done in a local park. Cross your fingers you don't hit any else in the area !
I have 3 Spitfires ranging from 65" up to 81" wingspan. They are "funscale" with many realistic details such as rivets and panel lines. Fiberglass finished with airbrush paint schemes. Markings belongs to a neighbor Spitfire pilot Hap Kennedy who is still amongts us today.
Enjoy the R/C sport Logoman. Be safe.
If you want to see a real good show of WWII RC planes only, attend the N.Y state Schenectady RC show ! These guys are serious flyiers and put on a darn good event !
CYA !
Phil / OPP7755
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I used to live a few blocks away from a park that had its own section for these planes and was a major meeting place for flyers. I used to sit there for hours watching these aircraft fly and talking to the modelers/operators.
A really great hobby. Congrats on the Hellcat. :salute
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I made the mistake of flying my hellcat in my drive way, in just a few feet it went vertical and climbed to 30 feet and i freaked out and instinctively shut off the motor. It landed on its belly bending the landing gear and destroying my prop. Plane needed some work but i tried to fly later that day with no success(my other prop was to tiny).
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
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the speedometer indicated the plane crashed at around 22 miles per hour, i'm amazed its still in one piece, other than the incident with the prop it completely intact, just a little blue paint on the cowl is missing. :banana:
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Your not ready for it.
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I'm trying to work it out i have to fine the CG then add some lead weights to the back of the plane to keep the rear down, plane seems to have a problem with the nose doing a face plant.
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Sounds more like a trim problem. Adding weight to the tail will increase instability.
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Trim is fine i just underestimated the power that the motor plus the size of the prop would produce. I wasn't ready for the sheer power and that's what effectively destroyed part of the plane.
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Trim is fine i just underestimated the power that the motor plus the size of the prop would produce. I wasn't ready for the sheer power and that's what effectively destroyed part of the plane.
if it went vertical on its own, it was out of trim.
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We have an RC airpark across the street from my shop. I'll have to go get some pics some evening and post them.
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I'm trying to work it out i have to fine the CG then add some lead weights to the back of the plane to keep the rear down, plane seems to have a problem with the nose doing a face plant.
That's what's called a warbird. They do that because the gear is ahead of the CG, causing a continual roatiation all the way over. You put lead in the tail and you will never get it off the ground, and if you do, it won't be in one peice when it get's off the ground.
You need to use you thumb, and again, your not ready for it yet. Save that airplane for another time. Learn more airplanes before you get into that.
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I had full up elevator and put the throttle to 100%, big mistake. :cry
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Should all be at one continuous rate, Throttle should not be slammed full because it will do exactly what it dosn't want you to do, plus the tourque rate that it will produce will be crazy.
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This is my only plane i have now, my wildhawk was destroyed and thrown away, this is the only r/c plane i have left. There is another plane at HobbyTown USA, its a p40 4 channel (aileron,and elevator) i was looking at that and saw it was cheaper than the hellcat and thus more expendable.
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(http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae50/bluetooth1/011.jpg)
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If someone was to start with this hobby, what would you gents recommend?
I've always toyed with the idea of building a RC P38 but I realize I'll need something to start off in, to get my feet wet.
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Not this i assure you
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You would need to get a high wing trainer like a Nexstar for example.
http://www.hobbiconexstar.com/ (http://www.hobbiconexstar.com/)
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I got a hobbyshop fw190 which is one of the styrofoam things - fun to fly, inexpensive to repair (which is nice). I also got a copy of real flight (but use that to practise with the helicopters) so I can get my little electric chopper in the air and keep it there lol.........
Worked out pretty nice so far, dont do anything too major and only flown it into a few bushes/tree's/grass/desert so far.
Top suggestion would be one of the trainers with the anti crash system on it (as suggested elsewhere)
Wurzel
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You have a good start since you got the Realflight. it will help you get your orientation down, and will help with your lands. Plus you can fly when the weather is bad. I fly RC helis and it has saved me a fortune. Also you can go to, http://knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php and download all kinds of free planes and Helis. Many of the updates for RealFlight are free on the website. Have fun flying, if you beak your plane just think that working on them is half the fun.
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Del... almost any ARF (Almost Ready to Fly) trainer is fine. Trainers have a lot of dihedral. That makes them more stable in the air and much easier to fly.
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If someone was to start with this hobby, what would you gents recommend?
I've always toyed with the idea of building a RC P38 but I realize I'll need something to start off in, to get my feet wet.
usually a high wing trainer is best. .40 sized.
we've had people at our club start off with the world models t-34. it is a low wing plane, but has a lot of dihedral, rights itself just like a trainer, and lands stupidly slow.
when you're ready, take the .40 off, plunk a .46 or .50 on her, and she's a monster. and the best part? she'll still slow down just like a trainer. :aok
now...you mentioned p-38. i was gonna drive out to ohio for a 76" built one. can't manage that.
i just found a kondor models 88" wingspan new in the box for 400. has air retracts and all. that should be here in a week or so, and i'll start keeping a record as i build it.
i'm thinking a pair of .91 4 strokes. they should let me fly it on the 3 blade props.
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Del... almost any ARF (Almost Ready to Fly) trainer is fine. Trainers have a lot of dihedral. That makes them more stable in the air and much easier to fly.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/product_guide/kitprofile.cfm?kit_id=1139
it's ugly......but it's a blast...and easy to fly.
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Del:
As CAP and others posted, a high wing trainer like the Hangar 9 Alpha, or Nexstar is ideal for learning RC...
Also, I will reiterate, join the AMA! do this for several reasons
A. Insurance (these beasts can and do damage people and property RARELY but it can happen)
B. Most clubs require an AMA membership (more on that below)
C. A pretty decent magazine for RC enthusiats.. Model Aviation. Included with your AMA membership
As to clubs, joining a club and hooking up with an instructor will save you a lot of money and frustration. Most clubs offer free instruction, and 99% of the time you will get through your entire training without a major crash/incident. The same cannot be said for trying to learn solo.
The instructor has a radio, so do you... the instructor holds down a switch allowing you control. if you have trouble all he has to do is release that switch, and he takes control of the airplane. Cannot count the number of times I have saved a students plane that I gurantee without an instructor would have become a bag full of parts... This is called a buddy-box system, and most clubs have the equipment needed for this.
If you have any other questions Del, ill be glad to help you out... and once you get proficient ill be glad to help ya with a 38 model. I am jsut finishing up a 100" Yellow Aircraft '38J.
Sol
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Are your gear legs installed incorrectly? They should angle forward, not to the rear.
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I actually learned to fly on my own. Was not very hard.
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eeek!!!!!!!!!!! that's why its keeps nosing over. thanks colmbo i never would of realized that on my own. :salute
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If someone was to start with this hobby, what would you gents recommend?
I've always toyed with the idea of building a RC P38 but I realize I'll need something to start off in, to get my feet wet.
Delirium, I would strongly recommend the Eagle 2 (ARF or Kit) Trainer. I've flown, landed, and crashed these many times. The Eagle 2 is a relaxing trainer once you get it trimmed out, and I love how this thing lands. Slow & easy. Flat-bottom high wing does wonders for stability. I've flown other trainers as well that were similar in design, but the Eagle seems to be the most durable.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDJE4&P=7
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This is my only plane i have now, my wildhawk was destroyed and thrown away, this is the only r/c plane i have left. There is another plane at HobbyTown USA, its a p40 4 channel (aileron,and elevator) i was looking at that and saw it was cheaper than the hellcat and thus more expendable.
DON'T BUY A WARBIRD!
Buy somthing that you can fly, and a warbird is not one of them. Buy a sport flier, somthing that's above your level, but not too high.
Your going to hate flying if you keep this up because you are going to continue to crash all of your airplanes, take my word for it.
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There's nothing i can do about it now, i don't have enough money to buy anything good, unless you want me to use air hogs plane? :rofl
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Delirium, I would strongly recommend the Eagle 2 (ARF or Kit) Trainer. I've flown, landed, and crashed these many times. The Eagle 2 is a relaxing trainer once you get it trimmed out, and I love how this thing lands. Slow & easy. Flat-bottom high wing does wonders for stability. I've flown other trainers as well that were similar in design, but the Eagle seems to be the most durable.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDJE4&P=7
I learned to fly about 27ish years ago on an Eagle 63, very good trainer... but the Alpha from hangar9 is jsut as good or better, and comes in a complete RTF package... better for a new guy IMO. I have trained many folks on the alpha, and have been quite pleased with it.
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Terrific thread. Keep the pics coming.
One day maybe I'd love to get into this. :aok
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There's nothing i can do about it now, i don't have enough money to buy anything good, unless you want me to use air hogs planes? :rofl
I would set the hellcat aside and save up for something easier to fly.
Something like this would probably be ok for you, since you dont seem interested in getting an instructor
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hobbyzone_super_cub_lp_85730_prd1.htm (http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hobbyzone_super_cub_lp_85730_prd1.htm)
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its a very expensive hobby but if everything works out its also a fun one. with the other post these planes are all good but i just can't afford them, i barely have enough for the p40 i want but now i understand that would make things worse because its no different then the hellcat except no rudder
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There's nothing i can do about it now, i don't have enough money to buy anything good, unless you want me to use air hogs planes? :rofl
You going to crash then, simple as that, it's way above your skill level, and your going to have a bad experience flying. Apologies, but that is the truth.
Terrific thread. Keep the pics coming.
One day maybe I'd love to get into this. :aok
Here you Rich, here's some pics, and this is a refrence to legoman, I've been doing this for 8 years, I know what I'm talking about.
92'' Seafury
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/mniezelski/John2.jpg)
My old 101'' Do-335, that I traded...
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/mniezelski/scan0001-1.jpg)
For this:
101'' Bf-109
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/mniezelski/DSC01035.jpg)
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/mniezelski/DSC01038.jpg)
This is an old Me-163 Komet that we had an sold, 94''
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/mniezelski/ME-163_001_edited-2.jpg)
This is my 88'' Fiat G.55 that I had, and crashed a couple months ago:
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/mniezelski/image_667.jpg)
Here is my pride, a 96'' F6F:
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/mniezelski/DSC_0087CROPPED.jpg)
And We built the P-40, but under contract, for the 92'' Spitfire:
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/mniezelski/DSC00770.jpg)
I kinda have a clue what I am talking about.
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Same here as with those pics Bosco posted I can repost mine...
(http://photos.bravenet.com/389/645/485/93E5AAB2AE.jpg)
F/A-18 Turbine powered, top speed is in the 200mph+ range
(http://photos.bravenet.com/389/645/485/136CEFD072.jpg)
46% scale (nearly 1/2 size of real plane) witha big arse engine, 170cc 4 cylinder horizontally opposed
I have approx 27 years in the hobby, so I too know of what I speak. And as Bosco said. Fly the hellcat=crash multiple times. By getting it up and crashing a minute later, you are doing yourself no good, as that gives you no good stick time to really learn to fly. You will be fighting the plane rather than flying the plane. Take our advice, set the Hellcat aside, save up to get a trainer type plane, such as the ready-to-fly plane I posted above. If you do this you will get many many years of enjoyment out of the hobby. If you do not you will keep pouring bucks into something you will never get the hang of.
DONT GET THE P-40! Put that money aside, and save up enough to get the trainer. Dunno how old you are but you sound young. Mow some lawns, shovel some snow... I know the p40 you talk of, and it is roughly a hundred bucks. Wont take long to save an additional 50-60 doing a few lawns/snow shovels, then you can get the appropriate plane. Once you have learned to fly, the hellcat will be there waiting for you to pick up.
Sol
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2aDoc, top banana, didn't know about that site, many many thanks fella.
Furiously downloading lol.....
:salute
Wurzel
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(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/AVIATION019.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/AVIATION117.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/AVIATION118.jpg)
these are the only ones i've uploaded pics of.
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2aDoc, top banana, didn't know about that site, many many thanks fella.
Furiously downloading lol.....
:salute
Wurzel
Realflight is great, I just got V5. I use it to keep my skills sharp during the winter months, and to practice new crap with helis lol. Taught myself to fly 3d helis with the sim....
HIGHLY recommended.
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Bosco:
What did you use for the bare metal finish on your sea fury? I am getting to the finishing stage on my 38 and am looking for a NICE Bare Metal finish to do. 27 years of RC and this is only my 3rd warbird lol... mainly have done scale aerobatics, pattern, jets, and helis...
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Actually chaps, your not helping by posting these pictures, you do know how hard drool is to get off keyboards right???? :D
Some beautiful planes here, absolutely gorgeous (and yes, I'm jealous, and retain the right to be further jealous should anyone post any more ner :P)
Wurzel
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Bosco:
What did you use for the bare metal finish on your sea fury? I am getting to the finishing stage on my 38 and am looking for a NICE Bare Metal finish to do. 27 years of RC and this is only my 3rd warbird lol... mainly have done scale aerobatics, pattern, jets, and helis...
Air conditioning tape, you can find it in any Home Depot or Lowes :)
It took us about a roll and a half.
You can try Flite Metal, it's a company that R/C guys use. It's expensive though. Your choice, the lighter more expensive flight metal, or the cheap air conditioning tape, that is heavier. I'm not sure how much heavier it is, but I think it added about 3lbs to the airplane.
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Good news i found my wildhawk and was able to put it back together!! i'll have a picture shortly.
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this is both my planes side by side. (http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae50/bluetooth1/014.jpg) This is my wild hawk top view, the electronics have been striped out. (http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae50/bluetooth1/015.jpg) This is the underbelly of the wildhawk, notice i painted the german cross on each wingtip. ( i know i did a poor job of painting.) (http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae50/bluetooth1/016.jpg)
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If someone was to start with this hobby, what would you gents recommend?
I've always toyed with the idea of building a RC P38 but I realize I'll need something to start off in, to get my feet wet.
Del,
I recommend either the Carl Goldberg Eagle 2 http://www.carlgoldbergproducts.com/airplanes/gbga0056.html or the Sig Kadet LT40 http://www.sigmfg.com/IndexText/SIGRC67.html
Both kits are pretty easy builds (I am old school enough to believe that it is important to actually build your first plane, you learn a lot about the hobby from the construction)... They are both a good size, small enough to transport fairly easily but large enough to handle well and be easy to see from a distance.
Both are excellent trainers. My 14 year old daughter is learning on a Kadet LT40 that I own, while she is building something a little sexier for her second plane.
If you decide to get into the hobby, feel free to PM me at any time with any questions you have. I may not be much of an AH pilot, but I've been flying RC for more then 20 years and consider myself to be an expert at it! :D
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Why are the electronics stripped out of the wildhawk? that looks like a much better trainer type plane than the hellcat. My advice, put the eelectronics back in the wildhawk, learn to fly with that, then pick up the hellcat.
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Why are the electronics stripped out of the wildhawk? that looks like a much better trainer type plane than the hellcat. My advice, put the eelectronics back in the wildhawk, learn to fly with that, then pick up the hellcat.
I Agree with that. Now that you got it put back together, you should put the electronics back in that and fly that until you get better. Then once you get the money, buy a sport flier, so you can learn more. Stop flying that F6F
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Rich, once (if I ever get my visa sorted) I move over, if your in my area, your welcome to give the 190 a whirl mate.
Flys nice, enough power (electric motor in it) and easy to get up and down.
Wurzel
*Same goes for you Delerium*
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I Agree with that. Now that you got it put back together, you should put the electronics back in that and fly that until you get better. Then once you get the money, buy a sport flier, so you can learn more. Stop flying that F6F
Meh, the F6 is a foamy type warbird.. probably flies pretty much like a sport plane. I think he would be fine if he uses the wildhawk to learn, then go straight to the f6. If it were a larger nitro bird, with the higher wing loading typical of a nitro warbird, id agree to go to a sport model after the trainer, then the warbird. DOnt think the sport model is needed with the foamie type though.. jsut my opinion..
Sol
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Meh, the F6 is a foamy type warbird.. probably flies pretty much like a sport plane. I think he would be fine if he uses the wildhawk to learn, then go straight to the f6. If it were a larger nitro bird, with the higher wing loading typical of a nitro warbird, id agree to go to a sport model after the trainer, then the warbird. DOnt think the sport model is needed with the foamie type though.. jsut my opinion..
Sol
i have an alpha models corsair. it's got no landing gear....and it is super easy to fly.
i can do 4 point rolls in it too......with no rudder. :rofl
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Meh, the F6 is a foamy type warbird.. probably flies pretty much like a sport plane. I think he would be fine if he uses the wildhawk to learn, then go straight to the f6. If it were a larger nitro bird, with the higher wing loading typical of a nitro warbird, id agree to go to a sport model after the trainer, then the warbird. DOnt think the sport model is needed with the foamie type though.. jsut my opinion..
Sol
Garuntee you it takes off and land's just like a warbird. He need to get used to flying and learning somthing new.
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Question for all you serious R/C aircraft guys. Why not recommend electric trainer? Battery and motor tech has come a long way. IMO it is also less to mess with than a nitro bird. I apologize if I missed an electric recommendation.
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Question for all you serious R/C aircraft guys. Why not recommend electric trainer? Battery and motor tech has come a long way. IMO it is also less to mess with than a nitro bird. I apologize if I missed an electric recommendation.
Most of these trainiers come with the option of going electric. It's easy to do and you have alot of space to do it usualy, becasue the nitro motos are big and bulky so they give you room :)
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Question for all you serious R/C aircraft guys. Why not recommend electric trainer? Battery and motor tech has come a long way. IMO it is also less to mess with than a nitro bird. I apologize if I missed an electric recommendation.
I prefer nitro for training simply because you can fly a slightly larger bird, .40-.46 is the size I like for training. While you can fly that size aircraft on electric, you simply don't get the flight duration and repeatability that you get from nitro.
Just my opinion though. YMMV.
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Question for all you serious R/C aircraft guys. Why not recommend electric trainer? Battery and motor tech has come a long way. IMO it is also less to mess with than a nitro bird. I apologize if I missed an electric recommendation.
i have electric, and gas.
personal preference i'd say.
i like the noise.
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Most of these trainiers come with the option of going electric. It's easy to do and you have alot of space to do it usualy, becasue the nitro motos are big and bulky so they give you room :)
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Ahh I did not know that. It just got me to thinking when I was reading the thread. My electric stadium truck with it's lipo and brushless is quicker and less fuss than my nitro truck. I find myself using the electric more just because it is less hassle.
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i have electric, and gas.
personal preference i'd say.
i like the noise.
:D
Same here... I really like the sound of a 4 stroke engine too.
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Same here... I really like the sound of a 4 stroke engine too.
that's why my p38 will have 4 strokes on it.
the one i thought i was buying though, just got sold out from under me.
o well...guess it wasn't meant to be.
gonna start looking at the yellow aircraft ones.
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Are you kidding me nitro engines are thousands of dollars!!! :bolt:
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Are you kidding me nitro engines are thousands of dollars!!! :bolt:
Actually... I believe you'll find that a nitro engine is cheaper then a brushless electric + the ESC + the Lipo pack...
This, for instance is a reasonable engine for a good nitro powered trainer. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGGV7&P=SM
There's nothing wrong with electric power, but I don't think that you can argue that it is cheaper.
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Great Pics. I love the Spit.
Just remembering. Back when I was admireing the hobby was about 22 years ago when I was single and living near a large Forest Preserve that was used by some big clubs for it. This was back before there was even any flight sims for general use. Im sure everything is far better now technology-wise.
So, just for argument, what would the start up $ look like? Just a general figure? Thank you.
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You cab get in for under $300.
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heya Texas how ya been m8??
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Are you kidding me nitro engines are thousands of dollars!!! :bolt:
More like $60 for a .40 size nitro. Here's one I've had in a few planes (and a few crashes :D ) and it holds up really well. It's a 20 year-old O.S. SF 40 ringless, very much obsolete. It's a more powerful version of the O.S. .40 sized engine. I have this on my Eagle 2 now.
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7218/sspx0110.jpg)
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THAT'S CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!! :furious WHY DIDN'T I KNOW!!!!!! AUGHT!!!!
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THAT'S CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!! :furious WHY DIDN'T I KNOW!!!!!! AUGHT!!!!
Because your only worried about tank town in the DA.
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well tomorrow I'm going to buy the p40 and a lot of new props for both my planes, and also some paint.
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Remember fellas before you can be old and wise.....
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another picture. (http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae50/bluetooth1/013.jpg)
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RC hellcat great now whats going to shoot me down in real life HMMM :banana:
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well tomorrow I'm going to buy the p40 and a lot of new props for both my planes, and also some paint.
Again, I would not do this. This is the last time I will make a statement on this. I am glad to help up to a point. Once my experience and knowledge is repeatedly ignored I give up and chalk the person off as an idiot.
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Again, I would not do this. This is the last time I will make a statement on this. I am glad to help up to a point. Once my experience and knowledge is repeatedly ignored I give up and chalk the person off as an idiot.
Teens know all. Just ask them. ;)
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Again, I would not do this. This is the last time I will make a statement on this. I am glad to help up to a point. Once my experience and knowledge is repeatedly ignored I give up and chalk the person off as an idiot.
+1 I think I'm through with this too...
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which one of you said you're building the yellow aircraft p-38?
any chance you've got build progress pics, and could ya offer some advice on it please?
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I'm not sure which trainer use the copilot that uses the sun for orientation, works great in the middle of the day. Not so good in the late evening tho :O
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look i'm sorry but i can't afford any of this stuff, even if i saved my money for a year i would still not have enough, i need a good trainer that is under $120 or i can't afford it. I like your suggestions and please trust me i would buy those trainers if i could.
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Dont waste the money on the p40, i will see what I can find for an electric park flyer style trainer for you, give me a day or 2.
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which one of you said you're building the yellow aircraft p-38?
any chance you've got build progress pics, and could ya offer some advice on it please?
That would be me, and yea, I have some pics, ill be glad to upload em next day or so.
As for the build, if you have built any fiberglass/sheeted foam wing models before you should have no trouble.
The entire center section of the wing, both boooms, and the cockpit pod are all of fiberglass. The outer wing panels and the horizontal stab are sheeted foam. She has been one of the smoothest kits to build I have seen, and support by yellow is fantastic. Didn;t have any trouble on this one, but my F/A-18 had some issues with the scale landing gear/gear doors, and they cross shipped new ones to me! (shipped new set at same time i shipped the bad ones back) Great folks to work with.
Sol
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That would be me, and yea, I have some pics, ill be glad to upload em next day or so.
As for the build, if you have built any fiberglass/sheeted foam wing models before you should have no trouble.
The entire center section of the wing, both boooms, and the cockpit pod are all of fiberglass. The outer wing panels and the horizontal stab are sheeted foam. She has been one of the smoothest kits to build I have seen, and support by yellow is fantastic. Didn;t have any trouble on this one, but my F/A-18 had some issues with the scale landing gear/gear doors, and they cross shipped new ones to me! (shipped new set at same time i shipped the bad ones back) Great folks to work with.
Sol
cool....that's the kinda stuff i like to hear.
it's a bit bigger than i was planning on, and i'll need to get back in practice....but i figure that during the build time, i can fly the wings off of my other ones.
the builds i've done, have been world models t-34's, a world models extra 300 120, hangar 9 t-34, working on a great planes zeek right now, and i think that's it. everything else i have, i bought from fellow club members.
thank ya sir!
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look i'm sorry but i can't afford any of this stuff, even if i saved my money for a year i would still not have enough, i need a good trainer that is under $120 or i can't afford it. I like your suggestions and please trust me i would buy those trainers if i could.
With this last recommendation, I'm done as well. You would be better off being patient, saving your money, and getting a quality trainer airplane. You absolutely cannot 100% start with an advanced plane such as a scale model.
You talk about not having enough money to spend on an RC Trainer? Consider this: Do the math on all the money you just crashed, and see if that adds up to an RC Trainer. You may as well wait, oh ye of little patience.
Out.
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i did have a trainer high quality trainer it was called the wild hawk i can keep this baby in the air for over 2 mins in very confined area's. I know it looks like a piece of toejam but she was very reliable(except for the battery) and withstood a lot of intense crashes. The nose has broken off 4 times each in a different area. (http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae50/bluetooth1/015.jpg)
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you're gonna think i;m being mean, and for this i apologize now.
that airplane is not a quality trainer. it is a toy. nothing more.
you need to listen to the other guys that've given you recommendations. i gave a couple, but the others were more reasonable.
if you're not in a position to afford a $400 airplane, and be able to repair it, then again, you should heed the advice i've seen offered to you. wait. go to the local r/c field, sit quietly, and watch.
pretty soon one of the old guys will come over and offer to talk to you, and give you advice, possibly even letting you fly a club trainer.
they'll tell ya about the AMA, and their club rules. take your dad with ya.
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I would also suggust gettin either Realflight 4.5 or Realflight 5.0 and use it, it will save you money in the long run. :cheers:
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here's a couple pics of the t-34 i fly. the one with black and yellow checkers is mine. the red and white one is steve's.
the kids are Civil Air Patrol Cadets.
our r/c club had a day for them. they came over, and steve and i used the buddy box to let them each fly these aircraft. some of these guys were pretty damned impressive.
bill(not pictured) came a little late, and joined in to help us. it was funny, watching the old guys line up to watch the impending mid air collisions, as they thought sure with 3 noobs in the air at once, there HAD to be. :D
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/IMG_3891.jpg)
mine is modified. i took off the stock ailerons, elevator, and rudder, and made much larger ones. i lost some speed, but the plane was frggin monstrous! i also set it up for one servo on each aileron.....amazing the difference that made. :D
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/IMG_3850-1.jpg)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/group.jpg)
this is the kids that flew. i'm the good lookin dude on the left in the black shirt...the ugly dude is steve. :devil
http://www.mediafire.com/?drjwewmonza
^^^^^ short vid one of the kids took with his phone. landing.
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we have no R/C fields in my area/ though i'm not sure, i will make sure to look for some tomorrow. And i have been researching and found the perfect plane except its to expensive. CURSE THESE HIGH PRICES!!!!!
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we have no R/C fields in my area/ though i'm not sure, i will make sure to look for some tomorrow. And i have been researching and found the perfect plane except its to expensive. CURSE THESE HIGH PRICES!!!!!
I thought I was out of this discussion. Now I'm insatiably curious :headscratch:. What, may I ask, have you found & could you post a link here?
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I need a high wing plane and this was suggested to me. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LA1068**&P=1 (http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LA1068**&P=1)
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we have no R/C fields in my area/ though i'm not sure, i will make sure to look for some tomorrow. And i have been researching and found the perfect plane except its to expensive. CURSE THESE HIGH PRICES!!!!!
i'm a stubbonr bastage......
go here.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/clubsearch.aspx
type in the information....your zip code, city, state, etc. it'll list the clubs close to you.
i drive 20 miles to the club i fly in.
there's kids that fly there, whose parents drive them the same distances.
it's worth it, in the learning experience, and in the safety of being at a club field.
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i found a field I'll save that data and tell my dad about it tomorrow! and why did you say you were stubborn?
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i found a field I'll save that data and tell my dad about it tomorrow! and why did you say you were stubborn?
'cause i am.
and i love this hobby enough that i get determined to get people to a proper club field, so that they can enjoy their experience, learn, and become good pilots. :aok
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well that makes you a good person. :salute Cap1 and thank you for all the help had it not been for all you guys helping me out i would still be stuck. :salute all
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I need a high wing plane and this was suggested to me. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LA1068**&P=1 (http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LA1068**&P=1)
"For beginning to intermediate flyers."... as the specs portion of the page says. At the very least, you are looking somewhat in the right direction. I would recommend, however, that you abandon anything that is a scale model, such as the Cessna. The reason simply is that WHEN(not if) you crash it, it will be easier for you to repair. That way, you can focus that much more on learning to fly. When you've mastered that, along with making proficient, consistent landings, then you could move up to something a little more advanced.
Next month I'll be 37. I've flown off and on since my early 20's. I have yet to get past flying a trainer such as my Eagle, and I'm not ashamed of it. As much as I would love to get a hold of one of my favorite scale models (a PT Stearman biplane), I know I am not ready for it yet. Still, I have loads of fun with what I've got. That's the important thing.
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"For beginning to intermediate flyers."... as the specs portion of the page says. At the very least, you are looking somewhat in the right direction. I would recommend, however, that you abandon anything that is a scale model, such as the Cessna. The reason simply is that WHEN(not if) you crash it, it will be easier for you to repair. That way, you can focus that much more on learning to fly. When you've mastered that, along with making proficient, consistent landings, then you could move up to something a little more advanced.
Next month I'll be 37. I've flown off and on since my early 20's. I have yet to get past flying a trainer such as my Eagle, and I'm not ashamed of it. As much as I would love to get a hold of one of my favorite scale models (a PT Stearman biplane), I know I am not ready for it yet. Still, I have loads of fun with what I've got. That's the important thing.
going from trainers to sport planes is kinda easy. sorta. going from sport planes to warbirds is kinda like going from a 14 second street car to a 9 second drag racer.
and it is one HELLUVA rush too. :aok
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we have no R/C fields in my area/ though i'm not sure, i will make sure to look for some tomorrow. And i have been researching and found the perfect plane except its to expensive. CURSE THESE HIGH PRICES!!!!!
GA MOUNTAIN RC
Flying Site Details
20.40 miles from Winder GA
Contact: WILLIAM DRAKE
201 GREEN HILL CIR NW
GAINESVILLE GA 30504
Phone: 770/532-6109
This AMA member club is relatively close to you, and they accept trainee pilots.
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thats the one i found. going to talk to them today.
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thats the one i found. going to talk to them today.
the really cool thing, is that you'll probably drag your dad, or older brother into the hobby too. it's infectious. :aok
remember.....be respectful, and most of all........listen to these guys. they're going to be your best source of advice.
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My dad probably will not want to but he will i guarantee it. :aok
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My dad probably will not want to but he will i guarantee it. :aok
he will.
in the 8 years i've been flying, i've seen it over and over again.
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My dad probably will not want to but he will i guarantee it. :aok
When your with a club or group remember the instructions to not turn on your transmitter unless you have your color coded channel badge. Not even to test. Lest you interfere with someone in flight.
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isn't that attached to the binding plug?
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http://www.masportaviator.com/ for used planes,just a thought
theres prob one for sale at your local feild
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Legoman, and anyone else interested in getting started in RC
It doesn't have ailerons, but that's okay, the concepts are the same, if you can fly a rudder only, you will be fine when you go to the aileron model
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HBZ4800#quickOverview (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HBZ4800#quickOverview) 99.99 ready-to-fly, has "anti crash" tech
If you decide to go with a club, and go nitro, you will have to save up, but here is my recommended airplane as a trainer
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN4400 (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN4400)
If you decide to go with a club, and want a larger size airplane (easier to fly) here is an electric version.
http://www.redrockethobbies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=EFL2725&Click=6136 (http://www.redrockethobbies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=EFL2725&Click=6136)
A VERY good option if you want to stay electric but have a larger plane for club training.. This one is quite a bit cheaper, and still Ready-to-fly. You would only need to save up another 80 bucks, as I said, easy enough to do by mowing lawns, washing cars, shovelling snow, etc.
http://www.redrockethobbies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HCAA12** (http://www.redrockethobbies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HCAA12**)
If I had a trainer, I would make it available to you, unfortunately I had purchased one to teach my daughter to fly, and last year, after she learned on it, I gave it away to a local kid for him to learn to fly.... again, my advice for the most satisyfying experience, is to save up for one of the larger models listed above, join a club, drag your dad into it, and enjoy it as a father-son hobby. I am 34 years old and have been going to the rc field with my dad for 27ish of those years, and to this day we still do. Some of my best memories with my father have been @ the flying field, and that is something that cannot be replaced.
Sol
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Legoman, post that link I sent you. I'm sure some of these guys would like to see that plane.
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where is it, i can't find it
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In the PM I sent you
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I may come off a little hard, but I love this hobby, and I want other people to love it as much as I do. I would hate to see people have bad experiences that pushes them away from this hobby. I'm sure other people can tell you this, but out of 8 years I've been doing this, I have never had a dull moment no matter what I do. It keeps you out of trouble and gives you the most fun no matter what, except for maybe this game. If I could, I would go every day, but that would be expesive lol.
We would hate to see you have a bad experience, adn I hope that we can guide you into the right direction and give you a good direction that you will hopefully enjoy for the rest of you life.
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http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=705899 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=705899) think thats it
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isn't that attached to the binding plug?
NO he is refering to a FM radio, if you turn on an FM radio you will LOCK OUT anyone flying on the Freq that you are on an Cause their plane to do REALLY wierd things, such as fly off to never never land, or crash. If you have a Binding plug you are flying with a 2.4 Ghz radio and you do not have to worry about it unles you are around DUKE, WARLOK, or SinGars, I really doubt you have to worry about that. But if you do have an FM radio you need to make sure that you are the only one using the freq that you are using.
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I use the Spektrum DX6i 2.4 GHz radio
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Since you had a Bind plug I assumed that, you dont bind FM radios.
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right, my wildhawk had an FM radio though.
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does the color of the bind plug matter in terms of possible radio interference?
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2.4ghz Spread Spectrum radios are immune to the troubles of interference from other radios that the 72mhz band has. Not to say they cant get interference, any radio system can, but the digital technology int hem means you dont have to worry about frequency control or radios being on the same frequency.
That being said, for safety's sake, when at an AMA club, most will require you to still either impound you 2.4 radio, or require a frequcny pin to be taken fromt he board, simply to ensure that EVERYONE does so, and does not make the "oops" of accidentally forgetting to do so with one of thier old 72mhz radios.
Sol
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alright
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Hey imagine me flying this right now lol jk. very cool rc airplane video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soaacdn4yAs&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soaacdn4yAs&feature=related)
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That being said, for safety's sake, when at an AMA club, most will require you to still either impound you 2.4 radio, or require a frequcny pin to be taken fromt he board, simply to ensure that EVERYONE does so, and does not make the "oops" of accidentally forgetting to do so with one of thier old 72mhz radios.
Sol
This has been my experience at several fields I have visited in the past couple of years. There are still plenty of guys using the 72mhz systems. I still have a couple planes using them also, even though most of my birds are on a 2.4 radio now. So, I think that until the 72mhz radios are finally gone for good, it is a good practice.
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I think at the Joe Nall meet, which produces nearly two to three hundred pilots (Which is the biggest) had only three pilots on 72MgHs. So right now it's too the point were they know that 72 is becoming obsolete.
The worst and closest I've seen when it comes to interference was at our warbird meet we had a guy on 72 with a beautiful 110'' Tucano, a brazilian trainer with a turbo prop. He was flying it when he hit interference, and almost hit the ground. Luckily, the man was able to get it down in one peice. The guy then decided that he should get a 2.4
Me personally, I have 2 7 channel 2.4's, both from Specktrum, which is the best company when it comes to 2.4s. I can tell you alot about the Spektrum, and if anyone needs any help, either PM me or respond to the thread.
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i got everything pretty much having some problems with the controls though i'm not used to the rudder/throttle being in the same area, gets me confused alot.
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Bad news about the plane it sort of broke lol
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The hellcat is broken and in need of repair, the wild hawk is busted to the point to where it wont fly any more. There is light at the end of the tunnel for my hellcat as all i need is a new wing and a cowl and motor mount, then all i have to do is reinstall the electronics. I also got a new plane called the FireBird Commander2. I will have pics soon. :salute
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The hellcat broke in a steep dive, Need a new cowl wing and motor mount, all of which i have already bought. The wildhawk is un-fly able due to the intense damage it has taken, i have gotten a new plane called the firebird commander 2 and have been able to keep it in the air 20 minutes at a time. (http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac354/LGflipphone/31NV9VEYBCL_SL500_AA280_.jpg) i got this cause i have to work with my landings a bit lol.
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:rofl
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why you laugh you make me feel like i did something wrong? :cry
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We laugh because I think most people can relate to breaking an RC plane and then realizing they should have practiced first.
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you were right i was wrong now i paying the price, at least i good with this plane.......
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:rofl
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Was outside flying my firebird scout in my field, had it going nicely for a good 15 mins or so, went on approach to land and it took a nose dive into my pine trees. :)
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that sucks
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every r/c model has a date stamped inside of it.
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Test flew my 109 for a third time last week. Had to go into the programs wile I was flying it. The flaps were causing some major tail lift, and I had to couple up elevator, when the flaps were extended full. It took 76 degrees to get it to fly straight.
I'll tell you this, bigger warbirds WILL NOT land without flaps. It's either way to fast or you are stalling the airplane. It was not an easy task to do it the first time, and I will never do it again lol.
Next time though, I will be able to fly the airplane and I am quite excited to see how it is going to perform.
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Once I flew my first Eagle 2 trainer at a frozen lake in Anchorage, AK. The flight itself was absolutely flawless. The landing, however, didn't happen. Suffice to say my depth perception was a wee bit off. I had it on approach to land on the ice, and it just brushed the top of a 50' tall birch tree. The tree stopped it, and the plane sank into it about ten feet and stuck there. Man, I was pissed. I never did get it back.
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just got home got a 35 min flight in my firebird commander2, and a picture perfect landing. if i had a better battery i could keep it in the air for at least 45 mins. :airplane: For a 2 channel plane (throttle, rudder) it kicks butt, I LOVE THIS PLANE!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana:
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Been flying my new Blade MSr....I need a drink.
Off to practice by balancing marbles on the end of a needle!!
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the best time to fly for me is at night in my very congested neighborhood. never crashed into a roof except mine lol
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it would seem that all further involvement in this post has failed and i have exuasted all attemptsover 1,000 views and over 100 replys isn't so bad. thanks for the help all and feel free to keep the discussion open. :salute
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Been flying my new Blade MSr....I need a drink.
Off to practice by balancing marbles on the end of a needle!!
Msr is a BLAST! Had a mCX and it was fun, but not near agile enough for my liking. (I fly larger 30 and 90 size heli's too). Got the mSR and have been having a ball. Fly it during commercials while wathcing TV with the wife.. hehe yea.. she loves it.. (sarcasm) Also always entertaining is to torment her cats with it.. GREAT fun.
REALLY looking forward the the next logical step of a mSR size heli with full collective pitch/aerobatic capability, that should be a SUPREME BLAST! lol.
Forgive any spelling errors, had oral surgery today so I am pretty doped up on painkillers...
Sol
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get to feeling better
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Well here is a guy with a Great :joystick: plane but i know its fake but just imagine......
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/9c08cc3b616cc83e6cb5b0a847392c002g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=tjuj5zwz2zy&thumb=5)
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Well that at point I'd rather be in it flying the thing heh.
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lol thats cool
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You would be surprised they do have models that do that, they lots of dollars but they exist
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Going to start all over again . I am going to order this plane .
http://www.nitroplanes.com/new4chdyhask.html
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No aeilorons. You do know how to fly, correct?
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Oh shoot , wrong link . This is the one I am after .
http://www.bananahobby.com/1937.html
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Again, you do know how to fly?
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Only on the RealFlight sim . Got alot of hour's on it .
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck7J0viGOu0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck7J0viGOu0) A few months after the the wings broke off i got tired of seeing it on the ground sitting in pieces and put it back together with tooth picks, Epoxy and duct tape to seal the openings where the wings join the fuselage. I added some high tension string the next flight but i couldn't stop the wings from shaking and the ailerons not being able to control the wing rocking lead it to a uncontrollable flight. The plane is scrapped now and wont be coming back ever again. I'm getting a Cessna 182 as soon as i can afford it though for Christmas i would rather get a ATV so i can go hunting more often.
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F22RaptorDude , why not get you something like a Skyhawk and learn to fly , plus you can not tear them up as easy . Then go to the F4U or what ever .But , Hunting is at the top of my list too . I plan on terrorizing them in my plane come deer season , lol .
Boy , I have come a long way's since this thread but I do it the FPV way .... check out some of my video's and join my group on Vimeo with over 299 video's and 55 member's in just a few month's .You will then want to get back into it ,lol . I'm going to buy a HD black box camera now to record all my video's in HD .
http://www.vimeo.com/15079319
http://www.vimeo.com/user3549446/videos
She's not pretty but fly's like a dream !
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/LittleGeorgeJr/DSCN0355.jpg)
I like this video the most , It's a must see !
http://vimeo.com/15640662
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Ill look into it thanks and your right I need to work on something good but is durable. I can fly well the only reason my hellcat crashed in the videos is because the wings wobbled to much ad I lost control
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I hope I'm not hijacking this thread when I ask: does anyone know a really good forum specifically for RC aircraft design?
Joined a competition in which our plane's tasked with lifting weights while still being small enough to be disassembled and packed into a box about 3/4 the size of a suitcase.
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Anyone is welcome to post on this thread. That sounds really hard, what kind of weights? Like nothing over a pound right? or 5 pounds? idk i'm just guessing
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rcgroups.com or rcuniverse.com would have forums for design... lots of knoweldgeable folks there. Even with 26+ yrs of RC exp, I still learn new stuff from people there all the time!!
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I hope I'm not hijacking this thread when I ask: does anyone know a really good forum specifically for RC aircraft design?
Joined a competition in which our plane's tasked with lifting weights while still being small enough to be disassembled and packed into a box about 3/4 the size of a suitcase.
try rcgroup.com and you will find what you are looking for .
EDIT :Sol75 , you bet me to it by one minute .
FPV-community.com is a good one too but the rcgroup has it all .
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I'm pretty much done with rc flying until I get a job and don't have to rely on my dad for Money, so I might get one at the beginning if next year
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Thanks, guys.
Well, I'm in a team so it's not going to be too difficult. Essentially for every pound that the plane weighs, the more it's gotta carry.
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Sounds like a cool project