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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Phil on December 25, 2009, 08:17:32 AM
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I hope I can explain myself properly.
In mid-war, I was flying my spitfire looking for a possible bomber formation.
After 25min, tally-ho ! Lancs at angel 15 !
I slowly catch up to him. At approx 3k, POOF they all explode and no credits.... :frown:
Never had the chance to make a pass on him !
I'm certainly not a "score" player. But the bomber pilot is ! I got the film and we all know him for doing this SAD move.
The question is:
Can HTC detect what he did ? If the film was sent in, can they see if it was deliberately made and not a disco ?
If I was a top notch computer programmer employed by HTC, any player using this tactic would be penalized by taking away all of his last bombing run points/perks !
Any plane suddenly disappearing or purposely crashing WITHOUT having or sustained any damage would be penalized.
That would certainly lower the amount of pilots bailing out before at least trying to defend themselves.
Just looking for a scrap.
OPP7755/Phil
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I'm surprised he even bailed out vs a Spitfire, most buff pilots I know aren't that scared of one.
To answer your question, yes, someone can Alt F4 out of the game...but I'm not sure if it would give you credit or not...
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Pressing Alt+F4 kill you (+1 killed in score), but if nobody hit you before it act as proxy kill. Nobody in range = nobody get a kill.
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I highly doubt its detectable.
Film can show many things, and I "suspect" that HTC has tools for looking at the data on films that we know nothing about.
I agree its not what you were looking for, nor do I think that its right.
But I doubt that its preventable, and probably HTC is going to be unable to stop it.
Take it as a complement (Other player obviously figured he couldn't/wouldn't survive)
Go hunt something else.
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Spike...
No I didn't get any credit. That I don't mind
Sad part is he didn't get penalized for wasting my time....
He didn't get penalized for POOR PLAY.
Checked the roster minutes after and he was flying away elsewhere.
The funny part is that he's been TOP BOMBER ranked in few tours ! What a fake !
Would be cool to see a POP UP screen stating: " Are you sure you want to bail ? Your last run gave you XXX perks/points and you will lose them ! "
Maybe someday there will be something done to discourage this type of action...
Phil / OPP7755
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another thread about how we should all play how the OP wants us to play.
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I highly doubt its detectable.
It IS detectable. Your client send word about you pressing Alt+F4 to server. Try it, you can even see message "xxx shot you down" (if there anyone to get kill) before program close.
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For what it's worth, if you watch the text buffer when you press Alt+F4 in a plane, you will see a 'You have crashed.' message just before the game closes (by the way, I only ever Alt+F4 if I'm on the runway, or if I REALLY have to leave immediately).
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His score is penalized the one disco (if he ISNT using alt-f4) and he does lose the perk points if any AND his score for that sortie is only 25% of what it would have been. If he lost all three bombers getting shot down it would be worse for his score. Unfortunately there is nothing to stop this and I 'could' name more than just one guy that does it... but I dont need a vacation! :D
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Hi OPP
Remember a few years back when I was getting discoed close to 300 times a month because of my server and Dial up connection. No one wanted me running troops because of it. Now I have fiber Opptics and never get discoed. Maybe that was what happened to your bomber friend. I do see guys pull the plug after they are shot up and going down and that is a cheap trick for sure. Glad to see you back on the game you know what a shortage of Spit pilots we have here lol.
R-105
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another thread about how we should all play how the OP wants us to play.
No, it's more like a thread wanting the kills to be counted to the pilot that spent his time chasing the buffs, something that should be done. As it is, the buff pilots get credit for successfully bailing, if i remember correctly, and the fighter pilot doesn't get credit for the kills unless he's already hit the buffs.
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Pressing Alt+F4 kill you (+1 killed in score), but if nobody hit you before it act as proxy kill. Nobody in range = nobody get a kill.
What is considered "in range"? I seem to recall that a buff pilot bailing (probably what the pilot did, not Alt+F4), with no damage to his aircraft, doesn't regester a kill, even if an enemy is quite close to him.
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I look at it this way, if the guy wanted to prevent the kill that badly, let em have it, because for me I don't play to keep score, you'll find you have a lot more fun this way, I do agree it's a BS move on his part, but just think of how crappy his game experience is playing this way.
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I cant help but wonder why people like that dont go to the TA or stay offline?
Seriously, whats the point of avoiding conflict in a conflict driven game!
Strip
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I cant help but wonder why people like that dont go to the TA or stay offline?
Seriously, whats the point of avoiding conflict in a conflict driven game!
Strip
It's the internet bud. We got all kinds in here
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I look at it this way, if the guy wanted to prevent the kill that badly, let em have it, because for me I don't play to keep score, you'll find you have a lot more fun this way, I do agree it's a BS move on his part, but just think of how crappy his game experience is playing this way.
It wouldn't be as much a wast of time for the fighter pilot if he at least got credit for the kills if he were within icon range, and might discourage this kind of play a bit. Perhaps the wishlist section needs revisited by this topic? I'm sure it's been covered there before.
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Lets not assume the worst on Christmas. Maybe the kids mom walked in and made him clean his room up. :D
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Lets not assume the worst on Christmas. Maybe the kids mom walked in and made him clean his room up. :D
Yea...that's it...he had to clean his room 10 times a day...(darn messy kid if I do say so)...
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another thread about how we should all play how the OP wants us to play.
His point is valid, yours isn't
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Phil, To be frank with you I agree with said person, he can't dogfight for his life.
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I am clueless.
+1
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Perk the Lanc
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What is considered "in range"?
Dont sure about exact number, something < 3k, afaik. Proxy kill range is same for any cases.
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Spike...
No I didn't get any credit. That I don't mind
Sad part is he didn't get penalized for wasting my time....
He didn't get penalized for POOR PLAY.
Checked the roster minutes after and he was flying away elsewhere.
The funny part is that he's been TOP BOMBER ranked in few tours ! What a fake !
Would be cool to see a POP UP screen stating: " Are you sure you want to bail ? Your last run gave you XXX perks/points and you will lose them ! "
Maybe someday there will be something done to discourage this type of action...
Phil / OPP7755
There is plenty of poor play in this game. Read the boards and you'll see a new post every other day. As long as HTC is keeping his subscriptions nothing is going to be done. The Hoin, bomb and bail, running from a fight, 30-40 people NOE raids, are all things that make "those" people happy so they will not be cut out.
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another thread about how we should all play how the OP wants us to play.
Sorry Stran, you are so out in the left field ! :x
Is it possible that you don't like this thread because you are one of those players ????
I don't care how YOU play the game.
Don't forget that some players ENJOY this game and unfortunately some players DO STUPID moves because of his important bombing ranks... Those same moves makes it unpleasant for some of us.
I was just hoping to discuss a possible solution if there is any way to discourage anyone from doing this.
As for the other replies, thanks guys. Good points !!!
Bear76 I salute you sir !
Phil/ OPP7755
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Hi OPP
Remember a few years back when I was getting discoed close to 300 times a month because of my server and Dial up connection. No one wanted me running troops because of it. Now I have fiber Opptics and never get discoed. Maybe that was what happened to your bomber friend. I do see guys pull the plug after they are shot up and going down and that is a cheap trick for sure. Glad to see you back on the game you know what a shortage of Spit pilots we have here lol.
R-105
G'day Sir !
Yes I remember quite well ! You were being "plucked" out of the game in the middle of a mission. :(
But you came back on CURSING like crazy ! You made many frustrating comments etc.....
This guy re logged and kept playing as if nothing happened. I don't believe at all that he was discoed.
Lancs at 12k, that's at least 20-30min to achieve. And suddenly discoed. Knowing him, we would of seen comments on the "ALL" chanel or the 200 chanel.
If I was to post the film, many of you wouldn't be surprise at all ! :rofl
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another thread about how we should all play how the OP wants us to play.
You agree with those that bail out of perfectly combat worthy aircraft just to prevent them from being shot down? From the OPs post, he's just looking away to prevent people for taking this chicken watermelon tactic out of the game. I see nothing wrong with that.
To answer the OP's question, Oleg is correct. If someone Alt+F4s out of the game and you're within d2.5k, you'll get a proxy unless someone else has already damaged the enemy. If no one is in range and he's got no damage, no one gets credit but it scores it as a death.
ack-ack
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Thanks Ack-Ack !
This player knows how the "game scoring" works.
I didn't get any credit and don't care much. I was just looking for a good challenge(Fighter vs gunner)
I'm sure he was paying attention to the range/distance and when it was about to change to 2.5km, he pulled the plug.
I'm fully aware that HTC have more serious problems to take care of.
Wouldn't be nice if there was someone assigned to receive those obvious recorded flights. Once confirmed by same, PERKS taken away !!!! :banana:
I'm still enjoying the game. When I come across this individual, I simply ignore him. ;)
The day he will question my actions, I will send him the film.
Phil / OPP7755
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another thread about how we should all play how the OP wants us to play.
Explain. Because you're far off of the mark on that.
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Spitfire chasing after a bomb and bail buff. Dweeb chasing a dweeb IMO.
~Crazy~
Rock N Roll chute squad
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Spitfire chasing after a bomb and bail buff. Dweeb chasing a dweeb IMO.
~Crazy~
Rock N Roll chute squad
You bring me your set of bombers and I will challenge you with a Spit9 Sir.
You better be a sharp gunner. I will need 3 passes at high speed to send you to the ground !
Anyone who knows me in Mid-war knows very well that I pose a threat to any bomber formation with my spitfire.
Or if you happen to see me in mid-war, please notify me of your presence, I will be glad to test your gunnery skills.
Once done, you Can decide if ya want to call me a dweeb spitfire pilot :aok
Anyway, please add an answer in regards to the POOR PLAY. Not your opinion about what plane attacks what other enemy...
Tks
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This guy re logged and kept playing as if nothing happened. I don't believe at all that he was discoed.
Lancs at 12k, that's at least 20-30min to achieve. And suddenly discoed. Knowing him, we would of seen comments on the "ALL" chanel or the 200 chanel.
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt once. Discos do seem to happen at exactly the wrong moment, although in my case if I'm in buffs it always seems to be 2 seconds before bomb release rather than 2 seconds before getting shot down. :rolleyes:
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I'd give him the benefit of the doubt once. Discos do seem to happen at exactly the wrong moment, although in my case if I'm in buffs it always seems to be 2 seconds before bomb release rather than 2 seconds before getting shot down. :rolleyes:
I believe I'm a guy with fair judgement and try to respect any players that treat me right.
Before I accuse anyone, my ducks are lined up.
I've heard about him and his tactics. Now I witnessed him and do have film.(which I don't have any intentions on posting)
With what I have, "benefit of the doubt" doesn't apply ! ;)
I understand your msg. :aok
Too bad we can't seem to do anything about it to discourage those players using these "cheap tricks".
Maybe with time/ in the future, HTC will come up with an answer. :pray
Salute Crash Orange
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Phil, please find ziggy and clean his clock. Thanks
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A L T !!!!
Ziggy has nothing to do with this thread !!!!
....but will admit that last week he kicked my butt when he bounced me from 23k when I was at 13k ! :mad: :salute
My fault. SA was poor ! :o
Phil / OPP7755
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It IS detectable. Your client send word about you pressing Alt+F4 to server. Try it, you can even see message "xxx shot you down" (if there anyone to get kill) before program close.
i found a set of lancs at about 24k alt last night. rolled over, set up an attack, and was about to go guns hot, when they simply vanished. no boom. no messages about kills......no nothing. one second they were there, the next they werent.
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Easy solution:
Remove the "Top Ranking Player"-Lists from the homepage starter page.
Give Perk-Points,statistics etc only to those, who land their planes.
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Easy solution:
Remove the "Top Ranking Player"-Lists from the homepage starter page.
Give Perk-Points,statistics etc only to those, who land their planes.
nah......i don't think that'd work. we're being invaded by those that think cartoon death is real.
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HITECH PERK ALL PLANES! Then when players run out of perk points they simply get charged a nominal fee on thier credit card. What a great revenue generator. I would only ask for 10% commision for the Idea. :D
Wait till Dad finds out thier squeaker was burning through hundreds of 262's. :furious