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Title: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: TwinBoom on December 26, 2009, 06:57:39 PM
VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlojpLNmDA0)
Title: Re: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: trax1 on December 26, 2009, 07:30:51 PM
Sweet find, looks like the M10 took a bunch of rounds to it.
Title: Re: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: Sc00ter on December 26, 2009, 07:36:51 PM
Sweet!!!   :aok
Title: Re: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: Masherbrum on December 26, 2009, 07:55:33 PM
Sherman looks like an M4A1. 
Title: Re: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: Guppy35 on December 26, 2009, 08:01:14 PM
Sherman looks like an M4A1. 

It's an early 76mm version.  There are a couple of different films of those tanks floating around the last few months.  Guessing they were on some firing range for a while.
Title: Re: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: Shuffler on December 26, 2009, 08:28:06 PM
Something wrong with the audio.....
Title: Re: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: Masherbrum on December 26, 2009, 08:48:13 PM
It's an early 76mm version.  There are a couple of different films of those tanks floating around the last few months.  Guessing they were on some firing range for a while.

cc, was just going off of the Radial engine.   
Title: Re: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: Chalenge on December 27, 2009, 04:02:17 AM
The M10 looks like the armor was either penetrated by lighter fire (unlikely) or the shell that went in the front exploded and pieces penetrated outward but I guess it could have been on the range if you say so.  ;)
Title: Re: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: Masherbrum on December 27, 2009, 09:12:27 AM
I don't know about a Firing Range, as these are in Bretagne, France.   Especially, with the 4th Armored Division being in that region around the beginning of August in 44.   

http://www.history.army.mil/documents/eto-ob/4AD-ETO.htm (http://www.history.army.mil/documents/eto-ob/4AD-ETO.htm)   Under Command Posts.   So figure around the end of July. 
Title: Re: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: Treize69 on December 27, 2009, 09:40:03 AM
Its most likely an M4A1 (76mm), judging by the engine, shape of the decking and the lack of a muzzle brake. Turret looks like an M4A1E8 subtype by the hatches and shape of the mantlet, though E8s usually had the muzzle brake. Would have to see the shape of the drive sprocket and whether it was a VVSS or HVSS system to be sure though. May have been an A2 or A3 that had been equipped with an older style engine (happened occasionally when they were refurbished and sent back to the front), but thats probably a one in a million chance.

Heres the turret of an M4A1E8 from roughly the same angle as the cameraman was standing- pretty much a dead ringer.

(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/Treize69/M4A1E8turret.jpg?t=1261929577)

And a still from the vid. I'd say (given the mantlet, style of the hatches and general outline ogf the turret) that its definitely an E8 turret. And with that engine, most likely an A1 as previously stated. So almost 100% sure its an M4A1E8.

(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/Treize69/M4A3E8turret2.jpg?t=1261929861)
Title: Re: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 27, 2009, 12:03:39 PM
Something wrong with the audio.....

Nah, it's called french language.
Title: Re: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: Guppy35 on December 27, 2009, 12:33:42 PM
It's an A1 (76).  No muzzle brake on the cannon, early style road wheels etc.
Title: Re: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: Bodhi on December 27, 2009, 12:46:26 PM
Both sure look like they cooked off after an internal fire / explosion.

Wonder if the crews got out?
Title: Re: Sherman and M-10 Found
Post by: Treize69 on December 27, 2009, 01:16:55 PM
It's an A1 (76).  No muzzle brake on the cannon, early style road wheels etc.

I didn't see the roadwheels on the Sherman, only on the M10. Where were they in the vid?