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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: CAP1 on December 28, 2009, 09:40:47 PM
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ok.....i'm watching the film for the 2nd time right now.
what i noticed in the fight with you vs the 109 was something he seemed to have in common with me. he made his merge turn too soon? and after that, it looked like you had him locked up, just waiting for him to give ya a shot.
now i'm at our first fight after the 109. on that one, i flew right by ya, and then went up. you weren't even looking as i went by, but rather you seemed to be setting up to turn away from me? i see the end result, but i'm confused as to why? this is about 9:48 in btw. i see that you were able to get right up on my 6, but would that have still happened had i pulled harder, into you?
now up at 13:16, i can see from your side i made my merge turn waaayyy too soon. from my side, i thought i was just passin ya as i pulled up and to the left. but now, again, i'm confused. i felt i was bordering on pulling too hard when i did that, but you managed to turn inside me, and once that happened, it was only a matter of time till i made a mistake. i know the early turn was the main mistake, and i think that little stall/spin at 13:38 was the final mistake in that fight.
i would've put this in the help and training forum, but i don't know if you'd have caught it there.
thanks dude!
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ok.....i'm watching the film for the 2nd time right now.
k, low on coffee still so I ll try to remember lol
what i noticed in the fight with you vs the 109 was something he seemed to have in common with me. he made his merge turn too soon? and after that, it looked like you had him locked up, just waiting for him to give ya a shot.
Remember I was telling you to be more aggressive and go for angles first. The 109 was not sure what he wanted to do I think. He was in a turning plane but he tried to play the e game vs a 38, and then switch it to turning. Yes, he started his turn too early - good if you have more e and trying to rope - bad in that case. You have to remember that even if you are faster by 50mph, 50 cals will catch you. Use your e to get a better angle.
now i'm at our first fight after the 109. on that one, i flew right by ya, and then went up. you weren't even looking as i went by, but rather you seemed to be setting up to turn away from me? i see the end result, but i'm confused as to why? this is about 9:48 in btw. i see that you were able to get right up on my 6, but would that have still happened had i pulled harder, into you?
I do that when I am slow and need to get some speed. Make it look like I am trying for a reversal but go straight. That gives me some distance to get some speed up and slows you down. You can also do that if have speed and try to turn around right as the bad guy is looping. You catch him very slow and most of the time you will force the turning.
Would it happen if you pulled harder? I can't tell, I am at work and don't have the film. However, I should have lost all those fights so there has to be some mistake you made. Go back to the being aggressive. You allowed me to get my speed up and reduce yours. Had you kept pushing I would have to keep turning and would end up too slow to get out of the way.
now up at 13:16, i can see from your side i made my merge turn waaayyy too soon. from my side, i thought i was just passin ya as i pulled up and to the left. but now, again, i'm confused. i felt i was bordering on pulling too hard when i did that, but you managed to turn inside me, and once that happened, it was only a matter of time till i made a mistake. i know the early turn was the main mistake, and i think that little stall/spin at 13:38 was the final mistake in that fight.
That is the key. You turned too early. I don't know if you can see in the film but right before the merge I hit the breaks. So, now I have position and can turn tighter. Your only hope after the merge would have been to go in rolling scissors where you eventually get the advantage since you had more e (assuming no mistakes). Then again, it was a gamble on my part because if the e differential was too big you would have every advantage.
From my experience, it is good to know your plane and what you can do with it, but the difference in winning these fights is taking advantage of peoples mistakes. I should have lost most of those, especially the one vs the zero, but some one always makes a mistake. Help them do that. Make them think you are fast when you are slow, slow when fast, think they can get a shot, think you are flat turning a 38 and then pull an imel after the second turn, etc and don't give them any time to think. Once in a fight most will make mistakes. Look at the fights closely and you will see I screwed up big time vs the 109 and you but you guys gave me too mach time to recover.
Ohhh, and as Bighorn would tell me after killing me (angles first, e second)
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Would you share the film? I'm sure some of us (especially me) could learn too. :salute
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CAP can you post? I wont be able too until 10pm or so.
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CAP can you post? I wont be able too until 10pm or so.
yea.l i'll post it when i sit down for lunch.
mannnn.....this is gonna be embarrassing.
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Never be embarrassed. It is competition and your striving to improve.
........ drum roll....... and your having fun!!!
The statement "someone always makes a mistake" is dead on. With a constant ebbing and flowing fight it ends up who makes the fewest mistakes and the best reads. Everyone will make mistakes..... learn to limit your own.
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Never be embarrassed. It is competition and your striving to improve.
........ drum roll....... and your having fun!!!
The statement "someone always makes a mistake" is dead on. With a constant ebbing and flowing fight it ends up who makes the fewest mistakes and the best reads. Everyone will make mistakes..... learn to limit your own.
yea, well.....i made them way too easy for him. on the last fight, i got too slow, and tried to go with it, figuring he'd HAVE to go out front.
he stayed right behind me.
what i'll do also, is to upload my film of the same fights tonight.....but i don't have access to that one till i get home.
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yea.l i'll post it when i sit down for lunch.
mannnn.....this is gonna be embarrassing.
Bah, look closely, you will see several mistakes I made and please, do not try to copy anything on shooting. I could could miss the sky sometimes
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mannnn.....this is gonna be embarrassing.
Don't be silly Cap. I've been officiating college basketball for 20+ years and still see mistakes from watching film. It's a great teaching tool. Thanks in advance for sharing Gentlemen! :salute :aok
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I could could miss the sky sometimes
We should start a club :rofl
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Never be embarrassed. It is competition and your striving to improve.
........ drum roll....... and your having fun!!!
The statement "someone always makes a mistake" is dead on. With a constant ebbing and flowing fight it ends up who makes the fewest mistakes and the best reads. Everyone will make mistakes..... learn to limit your own.
Great Reply, Shuff :aok
CAP can you post? I wont be able too until 10pm or so.
so who is it this time................. SPY :devil
( seriously, be good to hook up with ya soon, miss our virtual cartoon combat :airplane: )
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Great answer shuf, everyone here has and continues to make mistakes in fights looking at my stats for this tour I've made 238 mistakes so far in Late War. :)
Couple things I think are worth keeping in mind, A) I wouldn't be too worried about the opinion of someone who is going to make fun of someone who comes here asking how or why they lost a fight, and B) odds are good that at least a few people around here making the same mistake and could learn from it as well.
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( seriously, be good to hook up with ya soon, miss our virtual cartoon combat :airplane: )
huh? You mean it was not real? :(
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huh? You mean it was not real? :(
some of em would make you think you was in a real fight for your life, by the intensity........even though I am still here alive and kicking after all those times you sent me to the tower :D
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even though I am still here alive and kicking
Bah, rubber bullets. :furious
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Bah, rubber bullets. :furious
ok here's the film.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ztjctmm3w2r
my apoligies to all for not posting it originally, but as it wasn't mine originally, i didn't feel i could or should post it till i had permission from dedalos.
let the learning begin.
bet someone comes in and flames before we get to page 3. :D :noid :bolt:
again....thanks dude!!
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I had some fun fights with dedalos a few days ago. Great pilot and great guy <S>
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Thanks for posting the film! :salute
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no prob.
i watched it 2x last night....mostly concentrating on what ded was doing to keep me in his view, and what he saw me doing from his side...compared to what i saw.....and i'll try to post my film of these fights tonight.
then i'm gonna watch his again, but i'm gonna concentrate more on flap and throttle usage, speeds, etc.........i will figure out this cartoon p38 sooner or later.
and i'll have fun doing it. :aok :airplane: :old: :joystick:
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I watched it from Dedalos perspective too. Lot to be learned from this film, from ACM to good attitudes. Thanks again for sharing, I know I definitely learned a few things.
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I had some fun fights with dedalos a few days ago. Great pilot and great guy <S>
OMFGz ... he is such a TOOL !!! ... you sure you got the right guy ?
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Thanks for sharing that film :aok i to can never watch enough film, i feel you learn from everyone you watch, i flip between pilots and external views Thanks Cap :cheers:
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OMFGz ... he is such a TOOL !!! ... you sure you got the right guy ?
Can people in your age even remember anything about "Tools"? Bahahahhahahahahahha
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Thanks for sharing that film :aok i to can never watch enough film, i feel you learn from everyone you watch, i flip between pilots and external views Thanks Cap :cheers:
no problem dude........
here's my film of the same fights.
http://www.mediafire.com/?3jn4aztjz4j
gonna o watch from dedalos's side again now. :aok
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Some nice flying there Dedalos, and thanks to both of you for sharing that film.
Some great use of the flaps on the 38 as well - which is something that has been eluding me big time.
Thanks again,
:salute
Wurzel
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Can people in your age even remember anything about "Tools"? Bahahahhahahahahahha
Yep...how they used to work...where they are at...and why sleep is so nice.
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Yep...how they used to work...where they are at...and why sleep is so nice.
I think we all want to know. Did you really mean sleep or did you misspell sheep? :O
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I remember going to the DA with Dedalos dont remember what plane we upped, think it was one of the hogs. Anyway he kills me before the second merge. :aok I went through every plane from the spit16 all the way to the hurri and he still killed me before the second or third merge. I was so disheartened i was going to quit thinkin i could never be that good. Anyway Ded took the time to work with me and I learn a bunch. Started to "SEE" ACM. not just pulling on the stick.
:saluteSo big <S> to Dedalos.
wow has to be a couple of years ago now. I think i can make it to the fourth merge now. :D or a rolling scissor.
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I remember going to the DA with Dedalos dont remember what plane we upped, think it was one of the hogs. Anyway he kills me before the second merge. :aok I went through every plane from the spit16 all the way to the hurri and he still killed me before the second or third merge. I was so disheartened i was going to quit thinkin i could never be that good. Anyway Ded took the time to work with me and I learn a bunch. Started to "SEE" ACM. not just pulling on the stick.
:saluteSo big <S> to Dedalos.
wow has to be a couple of years ago now. I think i can make it to the fourth merge now. :D or a rolling scissor.
You are ruining his well cultivated image. :noid
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I remember going to the DA with Dedalos dont remember what plane we upped, think it was one of the hogs. Anyway he kills me before the second merge. :aok I went through every plane from the spit16 all the way to the hurri and he still killed me before the second or third merge. I was so disheartened i was going to quit thinkin i could never be that good. Anyway Ded took the time to work with me and I learn a bunch. Started to "SEE" ACM. not just pulling on the stick.
:saluteSo big <S> to Dedalos.
wow has to be a couple of years ago now. I think i can make it to the fourth merge now. :D or a rolling scissor.
i made it 2 merges tonight......co-alt.
made it almost 2 whole minutes....when i came in with a lot of alt.
#$%^$##@$%$$#%%$$#^%
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