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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tupac on December 30, 2009, 09:14:54 PM
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i bought an ARF rc plane today, and put it together, here are some pics
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this is what it looks likr in the box
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it had the engine pre-installed, but im dumb, so i still had fun puttign it together
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i put the rear landing gear on here
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i installed the wings, and tail section, and added the prop
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tthe finished plane!
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Congrats dude! You are going to have fun with it.
Have you found any feilds in your area? Another thing, have you applied for AMA?
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AMA? whats that.....i have 5 acres i can fly at my house
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AMA is an insurance. If you decide to go to a field, you will need it. Here is the website for them. For the youngsters up 16, it free. I believe after that it is $20, and that is annually, so it's not that bad. But again that's if you decide to join a field. More than likley, the field will want club dues, and over here I believe it is $50s, but it could be diffrent for any field.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/
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im 18, ill tell em im 16....might work, im good friends with one of the renown area RC pilots (keith moody)
he could get me in for free (i hope) im kinda short on cash
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that's the same plane i learned on. it's rugged, and flies beautifully.
listen to pfactor, and join a club. get help. do not try to learn that alone. :aok
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ive flown on the realflight simulator for 2 or 3 years, and my friend keith will "buddy box" with me, anything else i need? how do i put gas in it, i didnt see it on the directions
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i also here to help PM me if you need anything. :salute
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thanks legoman, i saw your RC hellcat, thats pretty awesome. im too dumb to build something from a real kit
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that's the same plane i learned on. it's rugged, and flies beautifully.
listen to pfactor, and join a club. get help. do not try to learn that alone. :aok
PFactor? I'm not Pfactor hehe
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Took me 3 days to assemble and complete, and 10 seconds to crash and break :aok
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PFactor? I'm not Pfactor hehe
But I am! :rofl
My advice to the OP is, be sure to follow the instructions to properly break the engine in with a rich fuel mixture. Then find somebody in your area that can teach you to fly it. Sounds like your friend Keith is probably experienced, make sure you wait til he has the time to help you out. Many a toothpick has been made by new flyers getting impatient and trying to "go it alone" the first time. That first flight can be especially hairy since the plane may be wildly out of trim. A good trainer will give the plane a good once over twice to spot any potential problems (like a reversed aileron servo) etc.
I also think you should join the AMA, it's pretty cheap and can really save your bacon if something goes horribly wrong.
By the way, that'll be a good trainer. :aok
ALSO: I personally don't like wood props on trainers. I like the nylon props, they stand up to nose in landings a bit better. You need to make sure the prop is balanced too.
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how much did that plane cost ya i'm interested in getting my own just like yours
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199.99 brand new in the box
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dang it i gotta save my money, when i get $200 i consult you again
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good luck finding one that cheap, it was 1/2 off, it had been in the store for almost 6 months, and i got my barter on
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hehehe, yea, first timers, read the directions, I have my own things that I do now that make the airplane fly better, but you are not looking for performance out of this one for a wile, it's a trainer lol. Once you get more confortable you can make some adjustments, but until you get more confortable.
You will need a trainer to help you for a couple of times, since you have the sim time, you should be able to catch on quick. I feel old now becasue when I started they didn't have any sim's lol. Took me three months to figure out just how to fly decently, took me another 3 to take off and land decently. Once you get it, that's when you will start to advance rather quickly, and I'm sure you will.
PM me when you get better, I will get you into another more complex airplane that will be just fun to fly :)
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thanks bosco :rock
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how do i start it?
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What do you mean?
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how do i start it?
I would highly recommend getting an electric starter....
For a pic of what can happen when finger meets prop ill be glad to post the pic again if you want lol
Sol
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I would highly recommend getting an electric starter....
For a pic of what can happen when finger meets prop ill be glad to post the pic again if you want lol
Sol
:rofl :rofl
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how much does an electric starter cost?
:uhoh
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Starter with battery and charger http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0161p?&I=LZ0632 (http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0161p?&I=LZ0632) 58.97
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I wouldn't even think about trying to do anything with this airplane unless you have someone with you that knows what they're doing. With questions like "how do you put the fuel in" I can safely assume you've never done anything like this before. ;) A quick engine run can turn into a runaway plane which can turn into chewed up flesh and chewed up bank accounts. Best to play it on the safe side and let your buddy walk you through each individual step instead of trying to figure it out for yourself here.
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I'd suggest getting more rubber bands to hold the wings on.. I dont think you can have too many. I had the exact same plane and on its first flight, she was flyin along great, then the wings folded up and the plane came straight down from 75 feet up. $450.00 down the drain because of a $0.01 rubberband failure. But anyway, congrats on the plane! :airplane:
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alrighty, today im going back to the hobby store to buy an electric starter, and extra rubber bands :)
and dont worry, im gonna be sure to have my buddy right there to help me
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Or you can just get a chicken stick. That could be anywere from an actual chicken stick, to a screw driver handle.
Me, for most of my planes, with a 24 inch blade I'm hand starting it. Most of the spinners are too big for a started anyways lol.
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I would highly recommend getting an electric starter....
For a pic of what can happen when finger meets prop ill be glad to post the pic again if you want lol
Sol
I want to see it Sol!!!
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Makes you want to go buy a lb of hamburger :D
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Or you can just get a chicken stick. That could be anywere from an actual chicken stick, to a screw driver handle.
Me, for most of my planes, with a 24 inch blade I'm hand starting it. Most of the spinners are too big for a started anyways lol.
I'll link you to my electric starter soon as I get a chance. I use it to start up to a DA-100.
the 150 and 170 I still have to hand start.
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I taught myself on that exact plane. I still have it but I have completely redid the covering in a nice red, white, and blue theme. I used an electric starter from day one. I also used an powered fuel pump for refills.
I have repaired many other folks planes... some for pay some for trades. I enjoy working on them... if I only had more time.
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I'll link you to my electric starter soon as I get a chance. I use it to start up to a DA-100.
the 150 and 170 I still have to hand start.
We have a started that is poweful enough, it's just we have 5'' spinner with a 4'' diameter. We put that one on and we bend the spinner.
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I taught myself on that exact plane. I still have it but I have completely redid the covering in a nice red, white, and blue theme. I used an electric starter from day one. I also used an powered fuel pump for refills.
I have repaired many other folks planes... some for pay some for trades. I enjoy working on them... if I only had more time.
i used to use a chicken stick.
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Ahh gotcha, yea my birds are all scale aerobatics, dont have that large of spinners on em..
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Yea, that's why I hand start lol. The normally don't backfire since it's gas, but I have nailed myself quite a couple of times. It does not feel good at all.
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Yea, that's why I hand start lol. The normally don't backfire since it's gas, but I have nailed myself quite a couple of times. It does not feel good at all.
GLOVES!!!!
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I have a nice one with a hole in the finger lol. Gloves can only do so much you know :)
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I'd highly recommend that you join the AMA and a club. There are many many things to learn about RC, and being an expensive hobby it's difficult to teach yourself without spending a boat load of cash.
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Just got AMA insurance, and a flight kit with an electric starter, a fuel pump, battery, and some gas
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my friend is going with me tommorrow to a flying club, and im gonna fly it, ill be sure to post pics of the crash site
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im gonna fly it :)
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i used to use a chicken stick.
I used to have an old wood prop that was too banged up to fly with that I used as a chicken stick.
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my friend is going with me tommorrow to a flying club, and im gonna fly it, ill be sure to post pics of the crash site
Be sure to let your friend (assuming he is experienced) take off the first time. New planes can do some really screwy stuff before they get trimmed out that first time.
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I'm taking off and landing already, tommorrow I'm going out again
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I'm taking off and landing already, tommorrow I'm going out again
which plane again?
what how do you take off? how do you land?
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im flying the hobbico superstar, and what do you mean how do i land? i make a couple approaches, then i throttle down and glide onto the grass
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to take off i just give it full throttle, and apply a bit of rudder to compensate for torque
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im flying the hobbico superstar, and what do you mean how do i land? i make a couple approaches, then i throttle down and glide onto the grass
that's what i meant....what is your landing procedure? and/or your take off procedure?
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for taking off, i line up straight down the runway, give it full throttle, and apply a bit of rudder, then i keep full throttle until i get to about 75 feet, and i start doing some aerobatics (loops, and rolls) nothing too complex, im still flying a trainer
for landing i make several approaches until i am comfortable with the way the wind is blowing, the runway is about 200 feet long, so i try to touch down about halfway down, cause it takes about 50 feet for it to stop
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I would highly recommend getting an electric starter....
For a pic of what can happen when finger meets prop ill be glad to post the pic again if you want lol
Sol
I suggest a good pair of Kevlar gloves.. You may break some bones, but you will not get cut. I wear Kevlar gloves when using yard power tools.
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My regards,
Widewing
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I suggest a good pair of Kevlar gloves.. You may break some bones, but you will not get cut. I wear Kevlar gloves when using yard power tools.
(http://www.uscav.com/prodinfo/enlarged/27359L.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
that's brilliant!!
most in my club with larger planes......like with gas engines, generally use the leather/cloth utility gloves.
i started using the chicken stick, because i had cut myself on the apc props that i use...and the engine wasn't running.
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that's brilliant!!
most in my club with larger planes......like with gas engines, generally use the leather/cloth utility gloves.
i started using the chicken stick, because i had cut myself on the apc props that i use...and the engine wasn't running.
That is not a bad Idea. Me I do use leather glove, but I use wood props, better on the crank of the engine and a tad easier on your hand too. Just the only problem is that I am using Xoar props, which are propably the stiffest wooden props as far as I know
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Realflight. That investment alone will pay for itself many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many times over.
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Realflight. That investment alone will pay for itself many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many times over.
so.....what;re you trying to say?
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im leaving in about an hour, to go fly again, im gonna do my first solo, without any help from the instuctor
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Good luck !
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Hobbico makes a good brand of trainer planes. Carl Goldberg as well. This is my Goldberg Eagle 2 ARF. I am currenty running a 20 year old O.S. Max .40 SF (yes, SF, not the current FS). It's got slightly more power than the standard FP .40 that was also available in its day back in the late 80's. Someone mentioned counteracting torque. That is an issue with me as well.
Another issue I have with this engine is "loading". Fuel gets built up after idle time in the chamber and the result is a sputtering to full throttle instead of a smooth transition. I leaned it out, only to have the engine just about quit when I tilt the plane up to test fuel draw. I changed out the glow plug (which has an idle bar), and it runs slightly better, but still has the same issue.
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I already crashed this plane once. The rebuild was easy. That's the great thing about trainers. :D
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try an OS # 8 glow plug. don't use off brands, stick to os. theirs are the best.
i've solved stumble problems, simply by using that plug. :aok
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try an OS # 8 glow plug. don't use off brands, stick to os. theirs are the best.
i've solved stumble problems, simply by using that plug. :aok
I've got a few of those in my box. I have a Fox plug in it now, but I may try it. Thanks!
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I've got a few of those in my box. I have a Fox plug in it now, but I may try it. Thanks!
that could be your problem......me andf others have had problems with the fox glow plugs.
i hate paying what os plugs cost, but then it's cheaper and easier than fixing my broken airplane.
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I agree about the OS#8 Plug .
There are no club's around me ao for a trainer I built a or some SPAD Plane's . I use the RealFlight r/c sim to get my skill up . Here is a photo of my last one I built . Got some new servos and batterers otw for it and the receiver . Have not worked on it for a few month's but back on it now and hope to have it up in the air in a week .Have a black one I am working on too ,will post a pick of it too . Oh ,Let me add , It is hard to learn on your own . Even in AH ..
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From experience, the Superstar, or the Horizon P51 Trainer, are probably the best trainers out there. I do not like the Nextstar, and I would not recomend that to anyone.
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I taught myself to fly, but then again I started with RC gliders. I built my first one (I think was called an Olympic 650?) and just started out by tossing it and landing it. A level hand-toss gave me 25 yards or so... Then I progressed to standing on picnic tables, stairs, etc, and finally to tossing it off the back-side of the high school football stadium bleachers.
Once I had that mastered I switched over to a high-start which gave me a 500ft launch or so. I think the worst that happened in that period was nipping a wing on a garbage can, and then later a flag pole. Nothing major to repair.
I then rebuilt the outer wing panels and added ailerons, and then added flaps to the inboard section. The tip re-build also added about two feet of span and decreased the polyhedral. Man that baby could soar! I eventually wrecked it by slamming it into the side of a mountain trying to land before an approaching t-storm. In all, that starter plane lasted almost 10 years.
Meanwhile, I was adding planes. I could seldom afford to by planes or kits, so drew up my own plans and scratch-built everything. I started with electric power, and hated it, so switched to glow. I just took any ol' 3-view I could find, and blew it up to fit the engines I wanted to use (.25, .40, .75). I went on to get a degree in art, so drawing was never that tough for me. Those included a sport-type plane that I built with 6 different wings (airfoil changes, span, flaps, ailerons, etc...), P51's and F4U's, an Ultimate Biplane, and others. I even had an RC redtail hawk that was going very well as a project, but then I quit working on it. It was giving me some issues because I didn't want a vertical stabilizer on it.
I've taught a lot of folks to fly over the years, and I've got to say that the buddy-box cord idea rocks. It's saved many a plane... I didn't use it of course, and didn't destroy any planes learning, but I took a gradual approach. I knew how to land first, fly second, and take off last. It's tough to do that with a powered plane, unless you have help.
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I agree about the OS#8 Plug .
There are no club's around me ao for a trainer I built a or some SPAD Plane's . I use the RealFlight r/c sim to get my skill up . Here is a photo of my last one I built . Got some new servos and batterers otw for it and the receiver . Have not worked on it for a few month's but back on it now and hope to have it up in the air in a week .Have a black one I am working on too ,will post a pick of it too . Oh ,Let me add , It is hard to learn on your own . Even in AH ..
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Hehe... I get a kick out of your ol' beater. :lol I can relate.
Okay.. I changed to an O.S. plug, gonna do an engine test here shortly.
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Well, it did better, but still a bit boggy in the transition from idle to full. Can't seem to find the sweet spot. The draft off that prop is just a wee bit cold, though! :D
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Well, it did better, but still a bit boggy in the transition from idle to full. Can't seem to find the sweet spot. The draft off that prop is just a wee bit cold, though! :D
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ok.....that's 1 in a row.
now try this.
watch the fuel lines when you're bringing the rpm up. watch them VERY carefully. i've seen tiny bubbles make problems too.
i tend to clamp my fuel lines now.
also, look at the lines inside the tank. sometimes, you can get a hairline crack right at the clunk, or on the other end of the clunk hose inside the tank...allowing the smallest amount of air in, causing this.
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Hehe... I get a kick out of your ol' beater. :lol I can relate.
Okay.. I changed to an O.S. plug, gonna do an engine test here shortly.
Funny thiing is they fly great ...
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Well, it did better, but still a bit boggy in the transition from idle to full. Can't seem to find the sweet spot. The draft off that prop is just a wee bit cold, though! :D
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Check the fuel filter too. I've had problems like you mentioned caused by crud blocking the end of the filter. It was tiny stuff, hard to see. Almost looked like fiberglass particles.