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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: warphoenix on December 31, 2009, 11:19:05 AM
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the p82 twin mustang its a whole lot better than the p51 even if it does have 2 cockpits it hase 6 .50 in mg and 25 rockets tell me what you think about the idea (I don't know how to post a image so can some one do it for me)
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What video game have you been playing? Is it that Secret Weapons Over Normandy? I swear, LucasArts really dropped the ball on that series, taking time away from the next Rogue Squadron.
But really, which video game is it? Because, I have read absolutely nothing about it being used in World War II.
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What video game have you been playing? Is it that Secret Weapons Over Normandy? I swear, LucasArts really dropped the ball on that series, taking time away from the next Rogue Squadron.
But really, which video game is it? Because, I have read absolutely nothing about it being used in World War II.
no game my great uncle flew one in late late waorld war 2 he was downed 2 days before japan surrendered
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no game my great uncle flew one in late late waorld war 2 he was downed 2 days before japan surrendered
Uhhhh, yeah.....
wrongway
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no game my great uncle flew one in late late waorld war 2 he was downed 2 days before japan surrendered
IIRC It was introduced in 1946. (Yup quick google confirms.) So kind of hard to fly one late in the war that ended in 1945.
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According to Wikipedia:
Although some P-82B airframes were completed before the end of World War II, most remained at the North American factory in California waiting for engines until 1946. As a result, none saw service during the war.
There is nothing about the Twin Mustang in Martin W. Bowman's USAAF Handbook, years 1939-1945, and according to Strategic Air Command: People, Aircraft, and Missiles, edited by Norman Polmar, SAC got the F-82 in ~1948, three years after World War II ended.
Therefore, I'm going to call BS. Unless you are willing to share his unit and/or an AAR that specifically states that he was shot down in a P-82, other people will call BS as well.
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This is why we wear boots- to aid in wading through the... oh, nevermind.
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no game my great uncle flew one in late late waorld war 2 he was downed 2 days before japan surrendered
Must have been a failed test flight in California...otherwise he saw as much WWII action in a P-82 as I did...ZERO.
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Must have been a failed test flight in California...otherwise he saw as much WWII action in a P-82 as I did...ZERO.
yah they were testing how well the xp-82 could stand flack and he got hit directly with a flack shell his partner was killed instantly and he para chuted down
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yah they were testing how well the xp-82 could stand flack and he got hit directly with a flack shell his partner was killed instantly and he para chuted down
Hey you wana buy a bridge? Got one for sale...cheap!
DuHasst
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yah they were testing how well the xp-82 could stand flack and he got hit directly with a flack shell his partner was killed instantly and he para chuted down
If he claims they were doing that stateside, he's full of crap. We never tested our own aircraft under live fire to see how well they could 'stand flak'. Thats moronic.
If he claims it happened over Japan, he's doubly full of crap. There were none in USAAF inventory for a year after the war, and we didn't let our manufacturers test aircraft in combat on their own.
So either you're full of it, or he is and you're incredibly gullible.
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yah they were testing how well the xp-82 could stand flack and he got hit directly with a flack shell his partner was killed instantly and he para chuted down
You are not making a good first impression here. You only get one chance at it. Screw it up and it will follow you till you leave.
Now do you wish to recant your statements or do you wish for the humiliation to begin?
Edit: The OP of this thread is pegging the Krusty meter BTW.
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My kids don't listen either :old:
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Warphoenix, the best thing for you to do here is admit that this story is not true. You will catch a lot less flack (and they aren't just testing it) if you just do that.
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Warphoenix, the best thing for you to do here is admit that this story is not true. You will catch a lot less flack (and they aren't just testing it) if you just do that.
No. Keep going. This is getting good.
Waiting for the part with UFOs and the CIA.
wrongway
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No. Keep going. This is getting good.
Waiting for the part with UFOs and the CIA.
wrongway
or is that f-16s and cia? :noid
Hope a scorpion sting doesn't find it's way into this thread. :noid
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no game my great uncle flew one in late late waorld war 2 he was downed 2 days before japan surrendered
Poor, poor kid. Do you realize what you just did? You painted a big bullseye on your bellybutton for everyone to take a shot out with that incredible BS claim of your uncle being shot down in a P-82 in the final 2 days of the war. May the powers that be have pity on your soul.
ack-ack
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no game my great uncle flew one in late late waorld war 2 he was downed 2 days before japan surrendered
Lol.
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the p82 twin mustang its a whole lot better than the p51 even if it does have 2 cockpits it hase 6 .50 in mg and 25 rockets tell me what you think about the idea (I don't know how to post a image so can some one do it for me)
The only war that the p-82 saw was in Korea war. In fact, it was the first U.S aircraft to score not one but three air to air victory (Yak and La).
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The only war that the p-82 saw was in Korea war. In fact, it was the first U.S aircraft to score not one but three air to air victory (Yak and La).
Nut uh :neener:
no game my great uncle flew one in late late waorld war 2 he was downed 2 days before japan surrendered
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P-82
Manufacturer: North American Aviation Corp
Type: Night Fighter
Year:1946
Engine:2X allison V-1710-134/135
No need to go farther, it was produced in 1946. The war was over. THree Prototypes were flown at the begining of 1945, but the end of the war saw the Design R&D shelved. The production did not revamp until late in 1946 when a few (Eprox 240) of all variants were produced and those were taken out of service in 1953.
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warphoenix I'm going to try and help you out here. This forum is not the cafeteria at school where you can makeup stories so you appear better to your friends. This forum has alot of guys that know incredibly large amounts of info on all types of subjects, especially regarding WWII and beyond. So when you con-cock a story about aircraft thats not true you will get called out on it.
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No no you are all wrong....I flew the black Chinook that rescued his uncle. I flew him over to the nuclear submarine that Gyrene was hiding in Tokyo Bay. Gojira almost got us but we made it back to the O-club to tell the tale. You all owe me a beer now. :rock :huh :neener:
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No no you are all wrong....I flew the black Chinook that rescued his uncle. I flew him over to the nuclear submarine that Gyrene was hiding in Tokyo Bay. Gojira almost got us but we made it back to the O-club to tell the tale. You all owe me a beer now. :rock :huh :neener:
That is not what Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee tells it.
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That is not what Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee tells it.
Wait now, Lincoln promised us the weapons during his election campaign. I was at the secret test facility in Gettysburg when he stopped by to tell us the NSA was getting an unlimited budget for the technology development when he got elected. Someone within the agency put out a contract on him when he didn't deliver on his promises. :old: :old: :old: My great great grandfather told me that.
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I wonder why someone who doesn't even play the game is making wishes. You should wish for mom to get you a game account bud. :aok
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Wait now, Lincoln promised us the weapons during his election campaign. I was at the secret test facility in Gettysburg when he stopped by to tell us the NSA was getting an unlimited budget for the technology development when he got elected. Someone within the agency put out a contract on him when he didn't deliver on his promises. :old: :old: :old: My great great grandfather told me that.
Yea, but Lincoln was with the dark side. I will have to ask my teacher, Paris Hilton, how the story goes.
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no game my great uncle flew one in late late waorld war 2 he was downed 2 days before japan surrendered
Ok, was he a test pilot?
If not...
Was he shot down by the one armed man on the grassy knoll who used the Flux-Capacitor and a slingshot, then escaped into a blue Police box?
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I wonder why someone who doesn't even play the game is making wishes.
Seems to be a popular thing to do. How to "improve" something they've never experienced.
wrongway
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Poor poor kid. Marked forever on this board, and at such a young age too......Rest in peace Warphoenix....rest in peace. :neener:
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Too bad Hard Rock no longer plays or reads these boards, his dad was a P-82 pilot, probably knew warphoenix's uncle :D
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So there I was....flying my F-16 over Nazi Japan when suddenly......Dr.Evil fired a "'LAZER" from his secret underground lair......(Stay tuned for next week's exciting episode of.... "The Lost Sheep Squadron") This episode brought to you by Ovaltine and Life Boy soap..... :airplane:
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So there I was....flying my F-16 over Nazi Japan when suddenly......Dr.Evil fired a "'LAZER" from his secret underground lair......(Stay tuned for next week's exciting episode of.... "The Lost Sheep Squadron") This episode brought to you by Ovaltine and Life Boy soap..... :airplane:
have you ever suffered a scorpion sting?
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So there I was....flying my F-16 over Nazi Japan when suddenly......Dr.Evil fired a "'LAZER" from his secret underground lair......(Stay tuned for next week's exciting episode of.... "The Lost Sheep Squadron") This episode brought to you by Ovaltine and Life Boy soap..... :airplane:
:rofl
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Be nice. That program is the highest rated show for the Friday 7pm to 8pm time slot in my mind...... :O :noid. :neener:
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Be nice. That program is the highest rated show for the Friday 7pm to 8pm time slot in my mind...... :O :noid. :neener:
Tonight from 12-2am, mine is showing 'Hamster Huey and the Gooey Kablooie'.
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Outstanding! I will bring popcorn.
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have you ever suffered a scorpion sting?
Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
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Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
Ever bought a bridge? I happen to have one for sale...
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Gentlemen, can we please focus on the task at hand? I refer of course to the task of teaching Warphoenix to never ever ever ever EVER tell a tall tale on a forum thread. Bad Warphoenix! NO BISCUIT! :devil :banana: :airplane:
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or is that f-16s and cia? :noid
Hope a scorpion sting doesn't find it's way into this thread. :noid
have you ever suffered a scorpion sting?
It was a scorpion bite not a sting. :aok
BTW I'm trying to finish my own WWII air combat game before this brain tumor gets the best of me. Would you care to donate any money to help me out?
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It was a scorpion bite not a sting. :aok
BTW I'm trying to finish my own WWII air combat game before this brain tumor gets the best of me. Would you care to donate any money to help me out?
Ahh that explains it. :rofl
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yah they were testing how well the xp-82 could stand flack and he got hit directly with a flack shell his partner was killed instantly and he para chuted down
Stop that.
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yah they were testing how well the xp-82 could stand flack and he got hit directly with a flack shell his partner was killed instantly and he para chuted down
My brother flew F22's in WWI...no I swear, it was super duper secret technology at the time!
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my last reply my grandfather posted ya
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my last reply my grandfather posted ya
Kid, just stop.
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:huh :rolleyes:
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Oh, you have so much to learn. These people will not accept a word you say about your tale unless you have concrete evidence to back it up (documented evidence such as reports relating to the incident would be a good start).
Until then, here you go. Hopefully it won't wear out before you dig yourself out of this hole.
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Ah, another fine true story of aerial high-jinks! Excellent! Reminds of the time Biggles and I flew that dicey 'do' to Katmandhu and found ourselves in a spot of bother. There we were, upside-down in fog with nothing on the clock but the maker's name, and that was in Hindustani . . .
;)
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my last reply my grandfather posted ya
You were given the opportunity for a way out and you just dig your hole deeper. Since you were going to own up to the rather tall tale you told, you could have done what Legoman did in the thread where he claimed to fly small bush planes and stop posting.
ack-ack
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"my last reply my grandfather posted ya"
Cod your such en effing idiot. Even my 8 yr old son knows when he's carried
something too far and just quits.
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Oh, you have so much to learn. These people will not accept a word you say about your tale unless you have concrete evidence to back it up (documented evidence such as reports relating to the incident would be a good start).
Until then, here you go. Hopefully it won't wear out before you dig yourself out of this hole.
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I believe one of these would be more useful:
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This whole thing was funny at first....now its just sad funny.....he really is just gonna ride the nuke all the way in isn't he......its like watching a train wreck, nothing can be done but I just can't look away..... :huh :( :eek:
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With the hole you are digging, you might want to get the Rosetta Stone Chineze course.
This whole thing was funny at first....now its just sad funny.....he really is just gonna ride the nuke all the way in isn't he......its like watching a train wreck, nothing can be done but I just can't look away..... :huh :( :eek:
OH the humanity
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ok, this top them all of fail post for 2009.
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first flight of the P82 was 15 June 1945, first production model came in 1946. Both my Grandfather on my mother's side and my father and 2 uncle's are all USAAF then to become USAF. My uncle Robert Walker was killed while in a chase plane covering flight of the then XB-70 when flying in the shadow of the XB-70 from below and just behind he rose above the shadow and was blinded by sunlight and struck the vertical stabilizer killing him and downing the XB-70 the crew survived. There is not a whole lot I do not know in airforce history being an AF brat. There are stories out there that are true of many aircraft all you have to do is a little research or be in the line of a long line of USAAF and USAF family and hear first hand. This lads story is not that far fetched but when you really think about it the time frame does lend merrit.
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ok, this top them all of fail post for 2009.
Your usual butchering of the English language was a nice touch and added the icing to the cake.
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This lads story is not that far fetched but when you really think about it the time frame does lend merrit.
Being that he claimed his uncle died while flying the P-82 while testing the durability of the P-82 to withstand AAA is a tad far fetched, nor does the time he states lend any merit to what he claimed.
ack-ack
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The P-82 wasn't used in WW2 it won't be in the game, it was replaced by the F-82 when the jets came out.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/P-82_Twin_Mustang.jpg)
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The P-82 wasn't used in WW2 it won't be in the game, it was replaced by the F-82 when the jets came out.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/P-82_Twin_Mustang.jpg)
There is nothing pretty about that AC. P-38 far better looking.
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What Ack Ack said.
"This lads story is not that far fetched but when you really think about ..."
Well it really isn't that farfect - it's unfreeking ludicrous! :) Just start with the "why" his
supposed uncle would be flying it in a combat theater you have to realize just how ridiculous
any claim that this is real would be.
They didn't then and they don't now send the prototype airplane with an extremely
valuable, human pilot at the controls into combat to test them for aaa survivability. lol.
Come on. Just think about it for a moment. It's something a 12 yr old may be gullible
enough to believe but not anyone with common sense and some bonified "smarts" would
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The P-82 wasn't used in WW2 it won't be in the game, it was replaced by the F-82 when the jets came out.
Just curious, but you DO know that they are the same craft, just with the new designation that came with the creation of the USAF, correct?
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Just curious, but you DO know that they are the same craft, just with the new designation that came with the creation of the USAF, correct?
Probably not, no.
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Just curious, but you DO know that they are the same craft, just with the new designation that came with the creation of the USAF, correct?
Yea, just a bad habit that i put "P" instead "F".
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Perhaps Bravo meant F-86?
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Man this is the energizer bunny thread....just keeps going and going and going....and getting wierder also. Good stuff. :banana: :airplane:
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Yea, just a bad habit that i put "P" instead "F".
Umm...no... it was both the P-82 and the F-82, depending on what time in history we're speaking of, just like the P-51 became the F-51. This happened when the US Army Air Force became the US Air Force, separate from the Army.
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The P-82 wasn't used in WW2 it won't be in the game, it was replaced by the F-82 when the jets came out.
Not replaced by, just a name change. The P-82 became the F-82. Same plane, different armed service.
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Just curious, but you DO know that they are the same craft, just with the new designation that came with the creation of the USAF, correct?
LOL Enker, quiet you're going to ruin the show. ;)
I love how once an original poster's ignorance or lie is detected and he's called on it others make remarks just as ignorant in their rush to jump on the bashwagon and gain acceptance. At least the OP has the excuse of being a misguided kid.
Quote from: bravoa8 on Yesterday at 11:08:30 PM
The P-82 wasn't used in WW2 it won't be in the game, it was replaced by the F-82 when the jets came out.
Quote from: oakranger on Today at 11:35:44 AM
Yea, just a bad habit that i put "P" instead "F".
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Umm...no... it was both the P-82 and the F-82, depending on what time in history we're speaking of, just like the P-51 became the F-51. This happened when the US Army Air Force became the US Air Force, separate from the Army.
Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't the P-51 become the TF-51 (with revised vertical stab)?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't the P-51 become the TF-51 (with revised vertical stab)?
According to Wikipedia, the TF-51 was a dual seat/dual control F-51, which I can only decipher to meaning that it was a trainer variant.
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mighty good stink bait that boy was using.... reminded me of Onion
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my grandfather just told me he lied about the uncle inccident
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my grandfather just told me he lied about the uncle inccident
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my grandfather just told me he lied about the uncle inccident
Somehow I don't believe it was the 'grandfather' that lied but rather the squeaker trying to wiggle his way out of the BS pile he smothered himself with.
ack-ack
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He might need a Draeger by now, and I wonder how long we need to cut the rope.
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He might need a Draeger by now, and I wonder how long we need to cut the rope.
I think he needs to start learning Chinese if he keeps it up.
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Hopefully his "grandfather" has learned his lesson about tall tales on this forum. Good job on the verbal smackdown guys! :cheers:
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Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't the P-51 become the TF-51 (with revised vertical stab)?
TF-51 was a trainer version with dual controls. It did have the taller vertical stabilizer (same as the P-51H, if I recall correctly.) It was brought into production to train jet pilots how to handle a prop plane in Korea, as apparently P-80 pilots had a hard time figuring out how to deal with torque, and the USAF got tired of them killing themselves in the F-51's.
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TF-51 was a trainer version with dual controls. It did have the taller vertical stabilizer (same as the P-51H, if I recall correctly.) It was brought into production to train jet pilots how to handle a prop plane in Korea, as apparently P-80 pilots had a hard time figuring out how to deal with torque, and the USAF got tired of them killing themselves in the F-51's.
Fascinating.....I was under the impression that pilots during that era did initial/basic flight training in prop driven aircraft, then advanced/primary certified as either prop aircraft or jet aircraft pilots. What a waste of money to train someone on prop aircraft then jet aircraft then pull them out of a jet and train them back into a prop plane. :headscratch: :salute
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Fascinating.....I was under the impression that pilots during that era did initial/basic flight training in prop driven aircraft, then advanced/primary certified as either prop aircraft or jet aircraft pilots. What a waste of money to train someone on prop aircraft then jet aircraft then pull them out of a jet and train them back into a prop plane. :headscratch: :salute
And they still start with a prop plane before going to a jet. Don't think that knowing how to fly a Cessna or a jet will prepare you for a P-51, or any other WWII single engine, tail dragger fighter aircraft. Just flying a tail dragger requires a separate FAA endorsement in today's world, let alone one with real torque.
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You misunderstood, I do understand about being certified in individual types, just thought it was odd to certify a group of pilots as jet pilots then recertifying them as a P-51 pilots (I know I'm a Gynecologist but i want to crosstrain as a heart surgeon....). Let alone building a specific trainer for that purpose as you stated. I could see the TF-51 being built as a general "type" trainer for that series..... not busting your chops, just wondering if crosstraining jet pilots was the actual purpose for the TF-51... :salute
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Templar, do you realize that pilots received training just switching between types in WWII? While they were switching from one high-powered prop aircraft to another? I think Luftwaffe pilots got something like two weeks leave to retrain to a new type. You don't just hop in another plane and take off like you do in Aces High.
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Yes Mother, thank you for your input. My question has more to do with the statement that the TF-51 was SPECIFICALLY designed as a cross training tool. Unless there is documentation that the TF-51 was designed to cross train JET PILOTS, I believe the origional statement to be inaccurate. Now, was the TF-51 developed as a general type trainer for the F-51? Or was it developed to meet a specific need for cross training jet pilots?
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Yes Mother, thank you for your input. My question has more to do with the statement that the TF-51 was SPECIFICALLY designed as a cross training tool. Unless there is documentation that the TF-51 was designed to cross train JET PILOTS, I believe the original statement to be inaccurate. Now, was the TF-51 developed as a general type trainer for the F-51? Or was it developed to meet a specific need for cross training jet pilots?
Actually, I believe the TF-51's were converted from another variant of the 51, (can't seem to find what that was), so me saying they were brought into production would not be accurate. In WWII, the T-6 was used as the final trainer before getting into the bigger planes, though some would argue that one should train in a P-51 before getting into a T-6. I'll spend a little more time on this, but I know if a pilot was younger and had never flown a high performance single engine prop driven aircraft, putting him in a P-51 would be more dangerous to him than to anyone else.
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Not replaced by, just a name change. The P-82 became the F-82. Same plane, different armed service.
Oh :lol yea guess your right I was thinking about the F-86 when I posted this. :lol
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The only flying P-82 was owned by the CAF and I believe it still is, but it will most likely not fly again due to the fact that an Airline Pilot who was getting checked out in it back in the 80's landed about 20 foot to high and dropped it in. It bent the plane very badly, and the noise was well, UUUGGGHHHHH the humanity, they have the fuselage rebuilt and have had, to my understanding, is finding one of the props. I cant remember which one it is but it had counter rotating props so one of the props is very hard to find and VERY expensive.
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The only flying P-82 was owned by the CAF and I believe it still is, but it will most likely not fly again due to the fact that an Airline Pilot who was getting checked out in it back in the 80's landed about 20 foot to high and dropped it in. It bent the plane very badly, and the noise was well, UUUGGGHHHHH the humanity, they have the fuselage rebuilt and have had, to my understanding, is finding one of the props. I cant remember which one it is but it had counter rotating props so one of the props is very hard to find and VERY expensive.
Was that the one being restored at the CAF Museum at Gillespie Field in El Cajon? Last time I was there about 6-7 years ago (when I still lived in San Diego) I saw the P-82 they had there while it was being restored and they were installing one of the engines on it.
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The only flying P-82 was owned by the CAF and I believe it still is, but it will most likely not fly again due to the fact that an Airline Pilot who was getting checked out in it back in the 80's landed about 20 foot to high and dropped it in...
Let me guess...he was an ex NAVY pilot...(I'd like to think an airline pilot wouldn't drop a plane 20 feet, mostly because I don't want to be on that plane when he does...)
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Was that the one being restored at the CAF Museum at Gillespie Field in El Cajon? Last time I was there about 6-7 years ago (when I still lived in San Diego) I saw the P-82 they had there while it was being restored and they were installing one of the engines on it.
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IIRC there was a dispute over ownership. It was "loaned" to the CAF by the U.S.A.F. It was a former gate guard and the agreement was they needed to be flying it to keep it.
The Air Force wants it back.
caf-loses-p-82-appeal (http://www.pacificflyer.com/2009/12/caf-loses-p-82-appeal/)
wrongway
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Thank for the add on I had heard rumors but was not sure ab0out that.
IIRC there was a dispute over ownership. It was "loaned" to the CAF by the U.S.A.F. It was a former gate guard and the agreement was they needed to be flying it to keep it.
The Air Force wants it back.
caf-loses-p-82-appeal (http://www.pacificflyer.com/2009/12/caf-loses-p-82-appeal/)
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IIRC there was a dispute over ownership. It was "loaned" to the CAF by the U.S.A.F. It was a former gate guard and the agreement was they needed to be flying it to keep it.
The Air Force wants it back.
caf-loses-p-82-appeal (http://www.pacificflyer.com/2009/12/caf-loses-p-82-appeal/)
wrongway
USAF wants one of their little toys back?
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Was that the one being restored at the CAF Museum at Gillespie Field in El Cajon? Last time I was there about 6-7 years ago (when I still lived in San Diego) I saw the P-82 they had there while it was being restored and they were installing one of the engines on it.
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No that one I am refering to was with the CAF Headquarters branch when it was in Harlingen Texas. I believe that it was sent to Midland Texas when the CAF was bought and moved there. You can say it was a vote to move there but Bill Hobby and Fina gas bought it. Anyway that is another soapbox for a later time. If anyone has seen a P-51 and a P-82 side by side, a P-82 is not 2 P-51s stuck together. The fuselages are alot bigger than P-51s. The reason that it was dropped in was because the Check pilot was not paying attention. No one was hurt but it cost a great airplane. I believe that was the same year that they stood a Heinkle He 111 on its nose, or it could have been when the gear collapsed on landing. It was about 3 years after the Seafury dug a hole at the end of 35R.