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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Jigster on December 06, 2000, 10:28:00 PM
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I timed one minute and watched the ammo counter, only 505 rounds.
I know the light and medium versions of the MG34 had higher rate of fire, and the heavy version was around 700 rounds per minute, correct?
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Various machine guns that fired the 7.92x57mm round:
MG 15: 1,000 rpm
MG 17: 1,100 rpm
MG 81: 1,200-1,500 rpm
MG 34: 900 rpm
MG 42: 1,200-1,400 rpm
AFAIK the MG 34 was only built in one version.
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ROF for cowl mounted MG's is contingent on the propellor rpm no? Did you take that into account? I know the free standing German MG';s had the highest rate of fire of anyone. But out them behind a prop on an airplane and I'm not sure ROF was even a factor anymore.
-Westy
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Not in a Ju-88, westy.
[edit]DOH, just checked it in a Ju88 and the ROF is indeed accurate. Hehe, feet in mouth removed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)[/edit]
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 12-07-2000).]
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Only place you will find an MG 34 in the game is on the Panzer and Ostwind. The version used on panzers is specific for vehicles and has a heavier jacket then the ground mount one. I dont know if its rof is different though.
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I only checked the cupola mount MG34, I'll check the coaxel and hull guns this evening.
I don't have any specifics on the AAMG 34 used on the later panzers (due to nearly all having MG42 AAMG's by '44)
The infantry and mediums are lighter versions for transportation reasons(and like scatter guns after about 5 rounds) while the vehicle is a slightly heavier version that resists recoil a little better.
I believe the vehicle versions also had cycle rate reduced to increase barrel life because of the time needed to switch barrels (as in a combat situation) but no way it would of been reduced by over half.
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Btw....incase anyone forgot...Muzzle flash!!!!!
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While checking out H&D2 I stumbled over this info on the MG-34. Dunno if it is true:
"Rate of fire could be toggled between 600 or 1000 rounds per minute by a switch on the pistol grip."
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Ltn. Snefens
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H&D 2?.
WHERE!??!?!??!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"pistol grip"
Well. We've certainly strayed from talking about aircraft mounted weapons (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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Umm Westy......MG 34 is not an aircraft mounted weapon. The 7.92mm MG's are MG17's
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LJK_Raubvogel
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http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust5.htm (http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust5.htm)
and http://www.forces70.freeserve.co.uk/Waffen%20SS%20Text+Images/mgs.htm (http://www.forces70.freeserve.co.uk/Waffen%20SS%20Text+Images/mgs.htm)
and http://homepage.tinet.ie/~nightingale/mg42.html (http://homepage.tinet.ie/~nightingale/mg42.html)
Google rules... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Staga (edited 12-07-2000).]
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Great links Staga (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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btw the flexible mount MG17's did have pistol grips (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Jigster (edited 12-07-2000).]
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Flexible mount MG 17? MG 15 was the flexible gun - MG 17 was only used in fixed installations.
Btw: If you want a high ROF you can't go past the Ultra ShKAS: 2700rpm!
[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 12-07-2000).]
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Westy - the fastest firing single barrel MG ever built was Russian-designed ShKAS with ROF of 1,800 rpm. "Normal" production MGs were mounted on many Soviet bombers as defensive weapons.
Apparently - a faster firing version was developed in 1937 with 2500-3000 rpm ROF but the rifle caliber MGs were on their way out and it was built in small numbers.
[This message has been edited by -lynx- (edited 12-08-2000).]
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Thanks guys for all the tips and pointers. I'm not an expert at all. Only fired the .45, shotgun and M-14 in the millitary. Saw the M2 .50 being used though from 20 feet away!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I only wanted to point out that the ROF for the cowl guns on ANY aircraft such equipped is hugely contingent upon that big ole honking spinning thing out in front of the engine. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Westy
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Not entirely; the effect of synchronisation depended on a number of factors; the relationship between the guns natural RoF and the propeller rpm; the number of propeller blades; the quality of the synchronisation system and the RoF of the gun (the higher the RoF, the bigger the reduction).
In effect, a figure of around 10% would be about right for most WW2 installations, with 20% being the maximum reduction.
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