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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: funked on November 19, 1999, 12:10:00 PM
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I did some testing, and it's too slow.
Here are my WEP results (altitude and speed). Yes I used the correct conversion factors.
0 350
18 391
20 392
23 394
The SL figure is OK.
The 18k value should be about 402.
The 20k value should be about 408.
The 23k value is about right.
Looks like it's about 15 mph too slow in its critical altitude range.
DOH!
Even if they get the A-8 right, why not let's have the A-4?
The British RAE got the following figures for a captured Fw 190A-4:
Fw 190A-4 (WEP)
0 352
5 371
10 365
15 390
20 415
20.8 420
25 410
30 395
Honey who shrunk the flight model?
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I do agree with funked
The the A4 is is talking about was without the 2 mg FF in the wing
From my own research.
(I am waiting from some document)
the A8 you describe is correct if you consider that it is A8 R2 or R8 if you take the 108 in the wing.
Its weigth was betwen 4.4 and 4.5 tones.
i muster that the normally armoured A8 was about 4.2 tones.
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Not that we can't improve things... but you realize that's less than 5% off, right?
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SnakeEyes
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=4th Fighter Group=
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Yeah I realize that. I'm not gonna stop playing AH because of it or anything. I guess I'll just pretend the shipment of C3 fuel didn't come through on time, or I have bad spark plugs or something. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Also weretiger has a point - if we are flying an A-8/R8 with all the armor then the performance should suffer.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 11-19-1999).]
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I doubt we get any of the armor on Sturm, just the guns.
//fats
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PS - I know that the 190 is pretty much a dog above 25K, but am I the only one scratching my head when I hear the stall shudders at 30K while I'm doing about 200 IAS in a 2 or maybe 3G turn?
And jesus... someone told me that they got a B17 to 34K with a full eggload.
In a general sense, this reminds me of WB where the fidelity of the modeling decreases substantially at higher alts (IMO).
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SnakeEyes
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=4th Fighter Group=
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I dinnae take my 190 much above 27k because it just stalls way to easy for my tastes.
As for the 17s at alt, I've had one up to 41k with a load of 12 500lb eggs =)
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Air power is a thunderbolt launched from an egg shell invisibly tethered to a base. - Hoffman Nickerson
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When I've been flying with 4x20mm, I have also felt bit slower than it should be, when I have cruised with wep for long time at 20k, never reached over 405-408mph
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Ugh! I just encountered 2 such B17's, merrily flying along at 35-40k while my Bf109G10 or Spit 9 struggles to stay in level flight (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) Gimme the Ta152H or Me163B, then I might have a chance of getting at them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Yes!!! The 17s are getting too high IMHO. I tried to get over 35k but it is nearly impossible with the 109-G10 and 190A. They are some kind of invulnerable up there.
Reduce their max ceiling
or
give us 10,5cm Ack
or
increase altitude performance of LW
or
give us the Ta 152, 109K
The last would be my favourite solution (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Werewo
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The Fw 190A should be bad above 30k but you should be able to reach 37k or so.
They never really got very good altitude performance out it. The Fw 190D-9 was a little better but not great. Some of the A's used GM 1 to increase critical altitude but this wasn't common.
Ta 152 solved the problem but too late. Fortunately RLM geniuses didn't allocate the Jumo 213 and DB 603 engines to Tank until it was too late.
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Personally I doubt attacks of B-17s at 40k, thats something what I laughed at when I did my bombings that high first time.
What I've been reading, they mostly flew like 15-25k in formations...
Yeah, can't do berlin raids at 40k.
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Clouds could make this interesting.
HT is working on more clouds and possibly cloud layers. Try buffing from 40k through the soup. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Lephturn
The Flying Pigs
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I once spent whole fuel tank climbing upto a bomber which handily out climbed and out run me to 35000+ feet. I couldn't get the A-8 even past 30K or so.
//fats
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Fats;
The P-51 is not much different at chasing a high B-17. You just chase longer not catching, because of better fuel economy.
Mino
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I agree Lephturn... however, I think they'll also want to fix the FMs. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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SnakeEyes
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Regarding the 40k B-17's and the FW190's inability to climb to that altitude: Aircraft performance aside, its cold up there, really cold with very little oxygen. Crew physiologic considerations are not being made. B-17 crews were exposed to the elements without the benefit of a pressurized cabin. The waist gunner windows were open all of the time in all but the latest model B-17's. At the heights we are seeing B-17's flying, a failure in any part of the oxygen system or a crewman's electrically heated flying suit would mean death within minutes. Even if a fully loaded B-17 was capable of flying that high, could the flight suit heating elements keep everyone reliably warm enough to sustain life?
It would seem that the AH B-17's are being modeled with the pressurized interior of a late war B-29. Guns and other purely mechanical systems also function very poorly in extreme cold as tolerences tighten with material contraction. Reliability drops significantly in mechanical items that are not properly heated at that altitude. I guess there is a difference between practical and absolute max cruise altitudes. We're seeing what the airplane is capable of. On the plus side, it takes at least one pilot (and his/her gunners) out of the fight for a very long time while they climb and cruise around the arena.
Or- Maybe we could have the buff drivers to sit on an ice pack for the duration of their uber-alt flight <G>
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It's not that we're concerned about our countries infrastructure getting bombed... us fighter types just want some buffs to hunt without our engines gasping for air (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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