Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: rapp25 on January 05, 2010, 03:18:35 PM
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Hey guys,
I'm getting really fed up with the loose center and huge dead zone required to play AH on with my Saitek cyborg Evo. Even with a pretty high dead zone the sticks axis can shake and often spike leading to unwanted movements. I've come up with these 3 sticks so far in my price range $50 approx:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-PS3-compatible/dp/B001DMUCAC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1262725575&sr=1-3 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-PS3-compatible/dp/B001DMUCAC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1262725575&sr=1-3)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Saitek-Cyborg-X-Stick-PC/dp/B001EYU1VO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1262725575&sr=1-4 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Saitek-Cyborg-X-Stick-PC/dp/B001EYU1VO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1262725575&sr=1-4)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-Flight-Stick-x-Pc-Market/dp/B000U1OOH4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1262726220&sr=1-2 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-Flight-Stick-x-Pc-Market/dp/B000U1OOH4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1262726220&sr=1-2)
I'm kinda tempted to go for the cyborg as of this moment as ive heard it has better insides with its newish ownership. But the hotas looks interesting whilst the t. flight stick x a risk. Your feedback is welcome guys.
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I like the cyborg, but have no experience with any of the sticks listed. We use 2 X52's in the house and, for the most part, like Saitek.
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check eBay for a used x45 or x52
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Neither.
http://saitek.com/uk/prod/st290pro.htm
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I have the Cyborg X stick...it's pretty good...not stellar like a stick/throttle setup would be. The thing is light...no matter how tight you set the screws the grip feels lose on the stick...the buttons are fast...it is a bit quirky at times but not uncontrollable.
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I have the cyborg x. A budget joystick is just that. If youre not happy with your current stick then spend some money and get a real upgrade.
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I'm gonna go with the Cyborg X guys. Thanks for the replies.
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:salute
i will try thrustmaster t16000m.
on youtube u can find some joystick reviews.
:salute
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I just got a T1600m for 28 bucks shipped on buy.com. Figured it was so cheap that if i didn't like it I could throw it away. lol
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Saitek works amazing for me, Cyborg-X improved my accuracy and made the game 10 times more enjoyable. :airplane:
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Well guys after using the stick for maybe 1 month or so AH only and I would say normal or average usage the z-rotation is playing up or yuou could simply call itrudder spiking. It now wont allow itself to be installed correctly so I am gonna rma this and maybe try that hotas unless Im stuck with another one of thse.
I found the cyborg X a bit uncomfortable even with the elaborate adjustments. It did help my aim somewhat though as it was prescise but just a bit cheap overall.
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Ya I recently picked up the cyborg X, The 52 had massive center play, That is gone now, I am still using the 52's throttle, I am using the throttle on the cyborg as RPM and brakes, the stick is OK at best, but way better then the worn out 52 I had.
when I can afford it I am picking up the CH fighter stick.
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i would suggest trying the t.16000m or go with something older like a Microsoft precision 2 .. i have one and have used it everyday extensively since 2004, still going strong and it doesn't spike at all, have 2 more in storage if anything happens ;)
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I've got a precision pro and it shows some of the loose center behavior he said he hated about his current stick.
To be fair, though, it's not so much a sensor issue, as the mechanism that moves the stick around (no pots on my stick, all optical -- but the motion isn't the best)
EDIT: I'd advocate the stick in general, but I wanted to say it's probably not for this person, since he was griping about the one major flaw in the stick.
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Small edit note: I actually have a "Sidewinder 3D Pro Plus", not a Sidewinder Precision Pro. Some Sidewinders (USB capable ones) have pots in them, mine does not. Apparently there's a lot more variation than I thought. I've been doing some reading on it, and it's enlightening.
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Hands down the thrustmaster t flight hotas. Cheapest HOTAS available and I've known a couple people that have had it for over a year and it is still fine.
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New Thrustmaster T-flight Hotas X Joystick
(http://flightsimulatorjoystick.net/images/T-flight%20Hotas%20Stick%20Pc%20PS3.jpg)
£26.83 - Brand New and Sealed - 1 Business Day delivery
You can Buy now at !
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Yeah I was actually thinking of getting that Hotas X and I'm very sorry I didn't as saitek support and the company i bought it from are giving me the run around and saying each are liable for the return or RMA. The cyborg X must have lasted 3-4 weeks max I reckon. That hotas looks sturdy.
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Yeah I was actually thinking of getting that Hotas X and I'm very sorry I didn't as saitek support and the company i bought it from are giving me the run around and saying each are liable for the return or RMA. The cyborg X must have lasted 3-4 weeks max I reckon. That hotas looks sturdy.
yup like I said I picked up the CyborgX, friggin thing is a piece of crap!!!! Buttons on the stick are already busted off(within 3 days), so I am gonna use it till it's totally fubarred then picking up CH, screw the rest, I have been doing a lot of reading and its very hard to find anyone saying anything bad about CH.
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New Thrustmaster T-flight Hotas X Joystick
That looks identical to the old TM afterburner i had .... except it was silver . They have used that same design for years and tweaked the buttons a little , and changed the color. The one feature i liked about my old afterburner was you could adjust the stick tension with a dial on the bottom of the stick .
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New Thrustmaster T-flight Hotas X Joystick
That looks identical to the old TM afterburner i had .... except it was silver . They have used that same design for years and tweaked the buttons a little , and changed the color. The one feature i liked about my old afterburner was you could adjust the stick tension with a dial on the bottom of the stick .
The feature that you mention about is still present in the current design, the range of adjustment is fairly big. Although even on the stiffest setting, it still comes no where near the Thrustmaster cougar joystick.
I had been using this joystick for some time, so far everything is working alright. For this price, it is well worth it. Setting is also very easy on Aces high 2, and there are enough buttons to configurate for a WWII fighter.
A small complain would be the small deadband located on the centre of the joystick, and I also find that the hat switch is a bit small.
Other than that, I am very happy with it !
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I bought the Thrustmaster T1600M. More buttons than my dearly departed MSFFB2.
Feels sturdy. Works well.
Under $35 delivered.
HONK!
Gooss
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Yeah I was actually thinking of getting that Hotas X and I'm very sorry I didn't as saitek support and the company i bought it from are giving me the run around and saying each are liable for the return or RMA. The cyborg X must have lasted 3-4 weeks max I reckon. That hotas looks sturdy.
I'll say it again....
http://saitek.com/uk/prod/st290pro.htm
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Sticks ive had
Saitek 3d gold (good all around stick)
Saitek EVO (nice and smooth.... the base moved to easily)
Saitek st290 (good all around)
Saitek X45 (hated the rocker rudder )
Saitek X52 ( notchy Y axis )
Thrustmaster Afterburner
TM Fox II
TM T1600M (good all around)
Microsoft 3d pro
MS Precision pro
MS precision pro 2 (had atleast 5-6 ...Best fit for me ...my favorite)
CH fighterstick
ch pro pedals
ch pro throttle
Logitech wingman extreme digital 3d
LGT wingman extreme 3d pro (worst stick i ever owned... )
The MS PP2 IMHO was the best all around stick for a twisty. The CH setup was good but after 10 years of using a twist rudder ...i could not make the switch. The ch fighterstick has a twitchy y axis as did my X52 . All the calibrating ...scaling and dampening couldn't fix either of them (ch sent me a new pot that made it better ) . If you are looking for a cheap twisty the T1600 should be at the top of your list along with the saitek ST290 . If you want to pay 50 or more look at the cyborg series from saitek .