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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Nemisis on January 06, 2010, 05:18:13 PM
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I was flying the P-40E in the online arenas (have yet to make a kill with on though), and I just couldn't catch anything, or out turn anything either, so I would like a P-40N, which would put it in a more competive position in the LW arena. More specificly, I would like the P-40N-1-CU, and the P-40N-5-CU. The '1-CU for speed increased speed, and the 5-CU for the increased external stores.
I think this would really get the P-40 series some real use, and make it more competitive.
For the P-40N info
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p40_15.html (http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p40_15.html)
didn't get much from wiki, but if anyone can find anything useful
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-40 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-40)
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Keep the nose pointed down hill, and take advantage of your high speed flaps. Insane turn rate, and be prepare to full stick left when your left flap gets shot out. Still, more P-40s would be nice.
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30 days goes fast.
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P-40E is better than you think. Don't try to catch anybody, let them catch you. With flap work, the slow speed handling can baffle easy mode planes expecting a sure kill. You'll take some hits (especially when they call for help) but they'll overshoot your "slow" plane and get drawn and quartered by 50 cals at close range. :devil
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I was flying the P-40E in the online arenas (have yet to make a kill with on though), and I just couldn't catch anything, or out turn anything either, so I would like a P-40N, which would put it in a more competive position in the LW arena. More specificly, I would like the P-40N-1-CU, and the P-40N-5-CU. The '1-CU for speed increased speed, and the 5-CU for the increased external stores.
I think this would really get the P-40 series some real use, and make it more competitive.
The problem isn't that the plane isn't competitive in the LW arena, it's whether or not the pilot is able to make his plane competitive in the LW arena and in this case, the pilot was clearly not able to.
ack-ack
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The problem isn't that the plane isn't competitive in the LW arena, it's whether or not the pilot is able to make his plane competitive in the LW arena and in this case, the pilot was clearly not able to.
ack-ack
Exactly. If you really want to learn good P-40 handling, talk to GhostCDB. He can get that P-40B moving.
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I think the problem is learning to use what you have, NOT making things easier to cut the corners. All it takes is practice :aok
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:lol I just got de ja vue!!!! :lol
I think the problem is learning to use what you have, NOT making things easier to cut the corners. All it takes is practice :aok
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I think the problem is learning to use what you have, NOT making things easier to cut the corners. All it takes is practice :aok
I know, I've gotten a lot of assists with the P-40 (just can't seem to get the kill before some newb in a 190 comes tearin in and steals it or the hurricane IIC gets it with the cannons), I just want a P-40 with some real speed, and one with some ord.
Plus, I want some new P-40's, is that a crime?
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Yes!!! Yes!!! More P40's!
Plus, I want some new P-40's, is that a crime?
I know one famous pilot who would agree with the idea....(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7672/wildbill.jpg)
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pictures just a red x logan.
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oh damn!!!!, I just read fugitives post in that "little request" thread, and saw where that de ja vue thing came from. $50 says he just pasted that from somewhere else, saw a good aplication here and pasted it again.
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pictures just a red x logan. Should be fixed
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oh damn!!!!, I just read fugitives post in that "little request" thread, and saw where that de ja vue thing came from. hehehe
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It fit, so I posted it. Why always ask for something with more power....bigger guns? Learn to use what you have. There are some guys that are very good in the P40 and fly them a lot.
Are you one of those guys that flies the pony and only does so-so in it so he wishes they would add the "cannon" version of the pony? All I'm saying is learn to fly and you'll be ok. We have enough complaints about uber planes now. I know, I know there isn't any P40s that could be considered uber, but you know what I mean. Instead of taking the time to learn how to kill in the P40 we have, you want to cut corners and get a better P40.
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Pffft all you need is an FM-2. :noid
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It fit, so I posted it. Why always ask for something with more power....bigger guns? Learn to use what you have. There are some guys that are very good in the P40 and fly them a lot.
Are you one of those guys that flies the pony and only does so-so in it so he wishes they would add the "cannon" version of the pony? All I'm saying is learn to fly and you'll be ok. We have enough complaints about uber planes now. I know, I know there isn't any P40s that could be considered uber, but you know what I mean. Instead of taking the time to learn how to kill in the P40 we have, you want to cut corners and get a better P40.
The P-40N has 2 less guns, I'm not asking for more firepower, I'm asking for a P-40 that gives an easier time staying on your opponents 6, and gives him a harder time extending away from you.
And by your logic, all we need are the first avalable models for all planes we have, and the rest are "cutting corners". Unless you fly the 109E, spit I, and F4F, you can't really complain about cutting corners.
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By my logic, you've been here a few months and you're tired of getting your butt handed to you, so you look for an easy way out.
I fly a lot of the older versions of the planes because its fun and more of a challenge. I only commented because you said you wanted the better version of the plane because you can't get kills in the older version.
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+1000 on a new p40. The reasons for wanting new planes do not matter.
Especially in an arena against non realistic enemies as f4u vs f4u or pony vs spitfire.
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By my logic, you've been here a few months and you're tired of getting your butt handed to you, so you look for an easy way out.
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I fly a lot of the older versions of the planes because its fun and more of a challenge. I only commented because you said you wanted the better version of the plane because you can't get kills in the older version.
I asked for it because I thought it would be a nice MW addition to the game, but here you have support your ideas with what it would add to the game. "I thought it would be cool" isn't a good reason, so therefor I support my idea with credible reasons. But everyone sees something new, gets annoyed, and shoots it down.
I care nothing for my score or kill count. Kinda sad when I have .0043 ktd months, but I keep flying.
If you want to discus my idea, stay in the thread, if you want to rag on me, send it in a PM.
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Eventually, it would be nice to see the P-40N but I think you're grossly over estimating its abilities. Even by 1943 (mid-war era) standards the Warhawk was rapidly becoming obsolescent.
ack-ack
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I'd love to see more P-40s. Although I think you're expecting more out of the N than you're going to get.
Someone, I think it was Krusty, posted a comparison of the late-war P-40s. You're not going to get the speed boost you seem to think. Certainly not enough to hang with any LW aircraft in a tail-chase long enough to get the kill before someone comes swooping by in an F4U, P-51 or Typhoon and picks him off on you if that's your main complaint about the P-40E.
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30 days goes fast.
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30 days goes fast.
And he's making up for lost time.
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+1
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Need more american planes
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Need more american planes
Yeah right...30+ isn't enough?
I've tried the P-40E a few times...as unskilled as I am it's as easy to fly in a fight as a 109G2...although it doesn't turn as tight as some of the slower planes it's still very maneuverable...I've noticed 2 choices when flying it...boom n zoom or force your opponent to get low n slow...it can take some decent damage as long as they don't go sawing the wings off.
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some more luftwaffe or japanese planes would be better imho
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According to the article:
P-40N became the version that was most widely built--5220
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HT Please add this version of the P-40. Thank you. :salute
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I'd love to see more P-40s. Although I think you're expecting more out of the N than you're going to get.
Someone, I think it was Krusty, posted a comparison of the late-war P-40s. You're not going to get the speed boost you seem to think. Certainly not enough to hang with any LW aircraft in a tail-chase long enough to get the kill before someone comes swooping by in an F4U, P-51 or Typhoon and picks him off on you if that's your main complaint about the P-40E.
Yes, my problem is that I can't get on their 6 and shoot them down before someone else zooms in and takes it. But I've come very close to getting some kills with the P-40E. The problme isn't lack of firepower, but that by the time I'm on their 6, the old kill stealing crowd sees an easy kill in an otherwise occupied plane, and takes it.
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Yes, my problem is that I can't get on their 6 and shoot them down before someone else zooms in and takes it. But I've come very close to getting some kills with the P-40E. The problme isn't lack of firepower, but that by the time I'm on their 6, the old kill stealing crowd sees an easy kill in an otherwise occupied plane, and takes it.
The same thing is going to happen with the N...
ack-ack
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That's the facts of life in the LW arenas. If you're not in something that can reach 400mph on a dead run, you're probably not going to catch most of your targets before someone else does.
Speaking as someone who loves to take a spin in the FM-2 and Brewster from time to time.
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That's the facts of life in the LW arenas. If you're not in something that can reach 400mph on a dead run, you're probably not going to catch most of your targets before someone else does.
When you fly one of those (or a Hurri I, like I prefer) everybody is helping you by clearing your 12...
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Here's what I do. Fly a P-40 to a radar-enabled base at 4 or 5k all by yourself. It takes a while before somebody ups. You might initially only get one upper who usually climbs to 10k so he can BNZ you. When you turn the tables and he's running back to the ack, the floodgates will spew forth at least two Spit/N1k/La/Hurri/Zeros. Then you'll disengage and he will try to pick you whilst you are trying to turn fight planes that you have no business turning against. He will overshoot or auger and then you get clobbered. That's one way to eliminate the chance of getting an assist.
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I'll dry that caldera, minus the getting mugged :D.
Ack Ack, yes it will, but it will happen less often. I see this as the FM2 of P-40's. Better than the P-40E but not a whole lot better.
If you don't want this plane, give a reason why we shouldn't get it.
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I'll dry that caldera, minus the getting mugged :D.
Ack Ack, yes it will, but it will happen less often. I see this as the FM2 of P-40's. Better than the P-40E but not a whole lot better.
If you don't want this plane, give a reason why we shouldn't get it.
Not why we shouldn't get it, but why we won't.... It's not really any better than P-40E as it is modeled in game now.
Where's Krusty?
Another P-40N wish (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,271506.msg3394474.html#msg3394474)
wrongway
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It's not a whole lot better, but it is better. As it said, this is to P-40's what the FM2 was to the F4F.
And the P-40N-5-CU can carry 1,500lbs of ord, so even if the 1-CU would be useless (not in my opinion), we could still get the 5-CU.
And wrongway, if that thread was suppost to make me see that we won't get the P-40, it didn't. That thread seemed to have a good number of '+1' posts.
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I think he was pointing to this:
P-40E top speed was 362mph (with 1150hp Allison)
P-40F top speed was 364mph (with 1300hp Merlin 28)
P-40K top speed was 362mph (with 1325hp Allison)
P-40L top speed was 368mph (with 1300hp Merlin 28) *
P-40M was a P-40K but went back to Allison engines (Merlins scarce)
P-40N-1 top speed was 378mph (with 1200hp Allison) **
P-40N-5 top speed was 350mph (with 1200hp Allison) ***
P-40N-15 top speed was 343mph (with 1200hp Allison)
Note the Merlins FTH alt was 19k or so, and the Allison alt was 16k or so. The curves wouldn't be too different, just shifted up. Going from 1100 to 1300hp seems to have almost no effect on this airframe. It was draggy IMO, and couldn't get much faster no matter what engine you put into it.
* = The L was a stripped down version. They removed 250lbs of fuel, ammo, and guns, but all this only netted "a mere 4 mph faster" than the previous version. Other wise identical to P-40F-5 Merlin model.
** = The P-40N-1 had a lightened structure, 31 gallons less fuel, only 4 guns, and only 200 rounds per gun. 400 were built like this. It was only about 10mph faster, yet was the fastest production model P-40.
I don't think any US -N models saw combat. 1000 were sent to the VVS, but they had their own rides by this time and were steadily replacing lend-lease planes in front-line units with their home-grown yaks and lavochkins.
The most common model was considerably slower than the P-40E, because of those bomb shackles. Even the best most stripped-down model (with less gas, less guns, less ammo per guns) was hated by pilots because it couldn't get the job done. They cut it back to previous performance levels to get the firepower back, making it noticably slower (P-40N-5 = 12 mph slower?) than the P-40E we have in-game.
So the point was "it won't be any different than what we have now"
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Yeah right...30+ isn't enough?
I've tried the P-40E a few times...as unskilled as I am it's as easy to fly in a fight as a 109G2...although it doesn't turn as tight as some of the slower planes it's still very maneuverable...I've noticed 2 choices when flying it...boom n zoom or force your opponent to get low n slow...it can take some decent damage as long as they don't go sawing the wings off.
you can get lot's of kills in it just gotta make up kinda of yer own munvers for it to slow down when a plane is on yer 6 eather that or dodge bullets
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I don't think any US -N models saw combat.
I'm pretty sure the P-40N did see action in the Pacific. At least I've seen color plates of aircraft in USAAF PTO markings identified as P-40Ns.
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I'm pretty sure the P-40N did see action in the Pacific. At least I've seen color plates of aircraft in USAAF PTO markings identified as P-40Ns.
Mostly saw action with the RAF, RAAF and the RNZAF in the PTO used in the ground support or escort roles. The P-40N in the USAAF was relegated largely to training roles.
Little known fact, the Japanese also flew the P-40, mostly P-40Es that they captured. One IJAF squadron (2 Hiko Chutai, 50 Hiko Sentai) was equipped with 10 captured P-40Es used in the defense of Rangoon, one being shot down due to friendly fire when a Ki-21 shot it down.
ack-ack
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you can get lot's of kills in it just gotta make up kinda of yer own munvers for it to slow down when a plane is on yer 6 eather that or dodge bullets
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1. HTC needs to update the FM's on all other aircraft still using AH Ver1.0 model
2. More medium German, Japanese, and Soviet bombers like the Do-17/He-111/Betty/Pe-2 need to be added
3. HTC needs to implement loadable AI missions for the SEA (and maybe AvA)
4. Other aircraft and vehicles are desired.
Big question: how does the P-40N fit into the SEA and other areas where we have aircraft gaps that other Allied aircraft do not fill?
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1. HTC needs to update the FM's on all other aircraft still using AH Ver1.0 model
It's not the flight models that needed to be updated to AH2 standards, it's the plane 3D models. Big difference.
ack-ack
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Actually, ack-ack, a number of the FMs and DMs (damage models) need serious tweaking as well. All the bombers that get upgraded have also had all the damage points remapped. That's when B-17s and B-24s started catching fire.
And some just have fishy flight models, such as the P-40B (really a -C FM, some say) and a couple of others.
So the entire plane needs updating, graphics, flight modeling, damage modeling...
It's a total makeover, AH-style :banana:
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Actually, ack-ack, a number of the FMs and DMs (damage models) need serious tweaking as well. All the bombers that get upgraded have also had all the damage points remapped. That's when B-17s and B-24s started catching fire.
And some just have fishy flight models, such as the P-40B (really a -C FM, some say) and a couple of others.
So the entire plane needs updating, graphics, flight modeling, damage modeling...
It's a total makeover, AH-style :banana:
Whether or not a flight model for a particular plane needs to be updated or revised has nothing to do with bringing it up to "AH2 standards" as all planes flight models are already up to "AH2 standards", it's the 3d model themselves that need to be updated to the new graphics AH2 introduced.
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Not always so.
If the airflow is modeled to the mapping of the 3D shape, and that 3D shape is suddenly remapped in radical new ways, would it not follow that the airflow has to be re-mapped to the new geometry?
I'm not sure it works that way, I'm just saying HTC has been taking the time and effort to "re-map" the flight model to the 3D model when it's upgraded. The damage model is remapped as a necessity, as bullets hit the 3D object and that tells you where damage is applied.
The N1K2 doesn't feel like a Zeke anymore, the La-7 doesn't seem to pull as tightly as before, the 262 was utterly nerfed (no more mushing through stalls for under-nose snapshots -- the only move this plane used to have), F6Fs feel less responsive, and a couple of other issues.
Mind you, all minor stuff that many players don't notice because they never fly these rides. I'm not thinking it's intentional per se (except the 262 change!), just side-effects from re-mapping the flight model onto the newer 3D models.
Sometimes you don't notice much change (Ta-152), but sometimes you notice a lot.
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Woah, total hijack. But as I've said before, if we can't get the 1-CU, can we get the 5-CU for the extra 1k or ords?
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I'm sure they will add it to the list.... right down by the B-29 request.
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don't forget, the beaufighters on there too.
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Much as I like the P-40 series, I have to say -1. I just don't see a need for the extra model....even to have it way down on the priority list just isn't worth the effort.
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OK temp, say it isn't worth the effort, what would you concider worth it? name planes not just "jap and russian plane set"
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I think the problem is learning to use what you have, NOT making things easier to cut the corners. All it takes is practice :aok
+1, use your plane's strengths to fight. And if you have a relative clue on the opposing plane's characteristics (ex. climb, speed, turn) you can use that against them. A plane that doesn't turn too well or speed, or climb too well is a whole 'nother ball game.
Some of the things I learned during my time in the P-39 was
1. Choose your fight, don't just dive at the first enemy con you see, always look around, to make sure there won't be anyone else coming after you. (I always could work well against a turner and a BnZ'er during a 2 on 1 if I had some good alt. Those are usually the ones I can fly away from.)
2. Don't run, no use in trying.
3. Try to stay out of the huge furballs. Only thing that'll happen to you is you'll just die quickly. I usually seemed to work better in the medium and small fights in the P-39.