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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Sundog on December 11, 2000, 09:50:00 AM
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Pyro,
When you (HTC) release the V1.05 AH, will the B-26 be able to carry an external torpedo (Of course negating the use of the internal bombay) as it did historically?
Thanks,
SD
PS-Still looking for the picture of the inside of the P-38 Droop Snoot bombadiers position.
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Honest question-
How many B26s did historically carry external torpedoes?.
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Very few, if any B-26B ever used torps in battle I think. 4 B-26A's did at Midway though. None of them hit anything, and 2 were shot down.
If the B-26 wasn't commonly used as a torpedo carrier, then it probably shouldn't be in AH either. Besides the US will have the TBM. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Ju 88A-4 is a different story though. In RL, the Ju 88A-4/Torp conversions had the divebrakes removed, and the special torpedo racks installed on the wings meant that it couldn't carry any other bombload.
It seems kind of wrong to just slap two torpedoes onto the AH Ju 88A-4. Might be nice to have a seperate Ju 88A-4/Torp with a 20mm cannon up front and extra fuel tanks in the bombbays. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ram, I think that's a good question too.
However, I also believe that precedence has already been set at AH in other areas about "historically"; i.e. Ostwind and how many were actually produced. Torps on the 26 might not be much different than that.
Which bomber carried skip bombs like WB modeled? That would be neat to see.
Fury
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There's no such thing as a "skip bomb" per se - it's just another method of bombing.
I think you could even skip bomb on dry land too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Skip-bombing was done by fitting delay fuzes to normal bombs. You can skip the bomb off any solid surface, even sand. Just make sure the ground crew sets the fuze correctly, or your plane will have a new window through the floor. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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The reason the Lanc's bomb bay is so long was because RAF specifications required their heavy bombers to be torpedo capable.
I don't think it ever actually carried torps though.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Originally posted by Fury:
Ram, I think that's a good question too.
However, I also believe that precedence has already been set at AH in other areas about "historically"; i.e. Ostwind and how many were actually produced. Torps on the 26 might not be much different than that.
Which bomber carried skip bombs like WB modeled? That would be neat to see.
Fury
Fury I ask it because I want the chance of getting rid of the cowl mounted MGs in Fw190, so saving more than 300-400lbs of dead weight (ammo+MG+mounts) that serve for no other purpose than to handicap the 190's maneouverability.
First time we asked for that chance ,we were denied it because there were "few" 190As without MGs (although is well known that many buff-hunter A5 and A8s had no cowl MGs).
I dont intend to hijack this thread, I am only explaining the reason of my deep interest in the numbers thing.
If only 4 B26s carried torpedoes in all the WW2...sorry but I cant vote yes to it in AH. Too few. The option was there but was VERY rarely used in combat.
BTW I agree on getting rid of the ostie, or at least perking it. Even after the ammo damage fix the ostie will be an anachronism, and that 37mm is a terror.
sorry the offtopic message.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 12-12-2000).]
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RAM,
I don't think you mean "anachronism". I think you might mean "anomaly".
Anachronism means something like obsolete, out of date, ancient or old fashioned.
Anomaly means out of place, doesn't fit within the system, very different, etc.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Didn't the B26A (not B version!) have an extra bomb bay so they could have internal torpedoes?
Regards
Nexx
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Originally posted by Karnak:
RAM,
I don't think you mean "anachronism". I think you might mean "anomaly".
No, I mean anachronism. An F86 in 1944 would be as much an anachronism as a Fokker Dr1 in 1944. Anachronism means that it is out of its proper historical time.
Ostwinds were very late war vehicles, and only a few were built. that was what I wanted to mean
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Hey, how many Fw 190F-8 were used for torpedo carrying? Be nice if it had torpedoes, if it ever gets here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Is there any pics about FW-190&Torpedos ?
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Yes. I've seen one. It was a test bed. The FW-190 that was able to carry a torp was not an actual production aircraft nor regular filed mod.
-Westy
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BTW, I agree with you guys, if only a few carried them don't add it. I was just looking at one of my books and it had the pic of the B-26 with the Torpedo mounted below, so I thought I would ask. Besides, as stated earlier, we are getting the Avenger. However, for a long range land based torpedo aircraft, what about the S.M.79 II Sparviero? That would be cool to see in AH.
SD
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yup the Sparviero would be cool...
But the Ju88A4 is already here and with some minor modifications...I really want to do a Norwegian convoy scenario... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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once again: VICKERS WELLINGTON
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Umm skip bombs were cylindrical and had a hydrostatic fuse that detonated when they sank to a certin depth, and were covered with wooden slats, when lowered and prepared to drop from the lanc they were spun backwards very fast to add more.....skippyness. As fars as I know though Lanc skip bombs were only used on that dam raid.
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You are thinking of Sir Barnes Wallis' famous "bouncing bomb". He also designed the super-heavy "Tallboy" and "Grand Slam" bombs which were also carried by the Lancaster.
"Skip bombing" is a method of bomb release at very low altitude and high speed, designed to make the bomb "skip" off the impact surface(water or hard ground), making it easier to hit targets with a small planform area but a relatively large side area, eg: ships.
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Wobbel, the bouncing bombs were also used by the secret 618 Sqn which operated Mosquito's. I'm not sure if any were used fully operational but their main intention was for them to be used in the Pacific against the Japanese capital ships. By the time they had actually got out to the Pacific the war was over.
Regards
Nexx
PS I think the USA may have experimented with a British bouncing bomb. I remember seeing footage of a Boston/Havoc dropping one too low... it bounced up and took the tail clean off... the plane then disintegrated into the sea (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)