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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Reschke on January 11, 2010, 02:52:33 PM
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Well its about time and we all knew it but you had to let your little whiny cry baby former team mater bad mouth you in the press and bring the junk up for the last couple of years before finally admitting it. As Pat Dye (former Auburn University football coach once said btw not the brightest person you would ever meet)..."hindsight is 50-50"...yes people that person did say that...but I digress. I would have had a lot more respect for Big Mac if he would have admitted it when the allegations were being tossed around a few years ago. Now I just lump him into another looser/user who is trying to make it right; when he should have stayed in the sunset.
"I never knew when, but I always knew this day would come. It's time for me to talk about the past and to confirm what people have suspected."
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Mark-McGwire-comes-clean-admits-to-using-steroi?urn=mlb,212896
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Yawn. Checking, nope all out of rodent posteriors.
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(http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/05/what_things_cost/image/bigmac.jpg)
Thought you were talking about this... oh well, same difference.
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At least he didn't take the psychological path of OJ Simpson, where one starts believing their own lies for the truth.
The path to freedom is admitting your errs and being honest. :rock
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I would have had a lot more respect for Big Mac if he would have admitted it when the allegations were being tossed around a few years ago. Now I just lump him into another looser/user who is trying to make it right; when he should have stayed in the sunset.
Well, I think everyone would have, but this is better than nothing. Besides, if Congress hadn't tried to show everybody how "tough" they were on a topic they had absolutely no inclination to prosecute over, they could have granted immunity to those that testified during the congressional hearings. Since they didn't do that, he would have, theoretically, been incriminating himself. I say it would have been better for him to come clean out of the gate, but owning up to it now is a good thing. And, lets not forget that the league and owners were culpable as well, as everyone from the lowest single-A minor league team to the biggest major league teams knew of its presence in the game, and did nothing to stop it. I've talked to a couple of minor leaguers that had been around some of that (one guy was a relief pitcher for the Cards) and he said its no surprise those guys would take the stuff to recover from injuries faster and perform better when the contract money is as large as it is.
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(http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/05/what_things_cost/image/bigmac.jpg)
Thought you were talking about this... oh well, same difference.
i thought that too.
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:lol
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Here, I found a picture pre-steroids.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3640/3584847090_a769300699.jpg)
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(http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/05/what_things_cost/image/bigmac.jpg)
Thought you were talking about this... oh well, same difference.
same, i was starting to freak out lol, i love Big Macs
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(http://www.complex.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/roids_mcgwire.jpg)
'roids?
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Now they need to clean all the roid users out and remove any achievements they did while on the performance enhancing drugs, but they wont do that, its all about the Buck$, professional athletes are so overpaid its not even funny millions a year to play baseball, there all greedy, and i like how they say "oh i play for the love of the game" :rofl oh BS you play for the millions you know your going to make.
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(http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/05/what_things_cost/image/bigmac.jpg)
Thought you were talking about this... oh well, same difference.
(http://foodbeast.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/snackwrapimage.jpg)
I'm also a big fan of this one.
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Is that like a Big mac gyro? .... burrito? hmmm
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el big macco
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Mac is just a liar and a loser of the highest degree. After being out in the pasture I wipe stuff off my boots that is better than him.
He did not come clean... he's forever tarnished. He only finally started feeling guilty for cheating.
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They should legalize steroids for professional athletes and create a new baseball league. Leave the American and National leagues for those who remain clean, and have the 'roid users join the new league. That way the public can have the circus-freak show they truly desire and the classic game might just survive.
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I'm not condoning what McGwire or any other user of performance enhancing substances has done. Being a High School baseball coach, we know the dangers and preach them. I can take one of the other coaches that I grew up playing with as an example. He was a pretty good player in college and was signed to a minor league contract by the Padres. He never openly admitted to using them but has in a round about way even after he was done with baseball. A facial injury from a 93 mph fastball to the nose ended up costing him any shot he had, and he now sees what effects steroids had on his body, but I digress.
The question I pose to you other baseball fans is this. If McGwire is kept out of Cooperstown for the use of pes's, what about Gaylord Perry who admitted that he cheated by throwing a spitball, Rogers Hornsby who is probably the greatest second baseman of all time who also admitted cheating, and many other Hall of Famers who have cheated, docotored balls while pitching etc.? Should they still be kept in the Hall of Fame, or booted out?
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Out..... if any are let in that cheat then the Hall Of Fame is no more than a Hall Of Shame.
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How did congress get invovled in baseball steroids testing anyway? :rolleyes: I liked the guy but gezz. 5 years just to say, yeah I did it. Nah, say it ain't so! (sarcasm). The man could still hit though. my 2 cents
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See below. Had to rewrite that.
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The man could still hit though. my 2 cents
He had the longest swing in baseball. :P
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Lets see if they pummel little mac like they did barry bonds, i doubt it. theyll praise little mac for this keep his records they legit anyway, but bonds nope nope.
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How was it cheating if it wasn't against the rules? I say that partially in jest, but I don't think its right to blame the players and let the owners and league off the hook. They knew it was going on and tacitly allowed it. If it hadn't been for Bonds and BALCO, we might still be talking about rumors...
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Lets see if they pummel little mac like they did barry bonds, i doubt it. theyll praise little mac for this keep his records they legit anyway, but bonds nope nope.
If I'm not mistaken Bonds still holds the All time Homeruns record. :rolleyes:
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yes bonds does. both these guys need to be wiped of their records. all steroid users should not be allowed to play ever again and keep their records. using roids in baseball is like dale jr using a regular nascar car against jimmie johnson using a toy cart for racing in nascar. think thats fair? don't think so.
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How was it cheating if it wasn't against the rules? I say that partially in jest, but I don't think its right to blame the players and let the owners and league off the hook. They knew it was going on and tacitly allowed it. If it hadn't been for Bonds and BALCO, we might still be talking about rumors...
You know, most people believe that it wasn't against the rules, but that's false. In 1991 then commissioner Faye Vincent issued a policy labeling steroids illegal when taken for the purpose of enhancing performance. The problem was that there was really no form of testing established so players continued to use them. The players, owners, and league did all know that it was going on and allowed it because it brought in revenue for everyone. It wasn't until the public started an outcry about it in the early part of the decade that they started forcing more stringent testing procedures.
I have read many many arguments as to why steroids is considered cheating and why it shouldn't be and I could bore you to death with the case for both. To me, there has hardly ever been one pure era in baseball to consider for statistical recognition. Take Babe Ruth for example. I'll ruffle some feathers here because the Babe is an icon and part of my argument may be considered wrong by some but it's objective. Ok, we all know that Hank Aaron broke Babe Ruth's record, and Bonds broke Hank's, leaving pes's out of it. Ok, well would Babe Ruth have hit as many home runs during his career if the league's weren't segregated? There were many great pitchers in the Negro League's such as Satchel Paige at the time who may have had an influence on Ruth's statistics. You cannot compare statistics from different "eras" of baseball because the times are not the same, so comparing Ruth's era to Aaron's to the "Steriod Era" of Bonds, McGwire, Canseco, etc. is crazy.
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Well Pete Rose will have afew new bar buddies. So what about Alex Rodriguez. Has he ever been suspended yet. Nah, he's money to baseball. :rolleyes: Watched baseball all my childhood. For the last few years though. I turn the channel to basket weaving with Martha Stewart.
Still watch the World Series even though its a 5 hour game nowadays. Don't forget instant replay is coming( yawn). :confused:
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The players, owners, and league did all know that it was going on and allowed it because it brought in revenue for everyone. It wasn't until the public started an outcry about it in the early part of the decade that they started forcing more stringent testing procedures.
I have read many many arguments as to why steroids is considered cheating and why it shouldn't be and I could bore you to death with the case for both.
An unenforced rule is no rule at all. The league and the owners are just as culpable as the players--maybe more so. And yes, I know they're bad; I'm certainly not trying to white-wash their use, just trying to argue that we shouldn't bash the players only here. As for Bonds, all he needs to do is come out and tell the truth, fess up like Mac did, and I'd have the same regard for him.
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Congress put him on the spot by injecting themselves into this crap, and you can't expect someone to go on the stand and incriminate himself. It's been enough years that he can't be prosecuted now, though it has to be tough to teach kids hitting, with EVERYONE knowing how he got so many of those dingers
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Around 2002 I was trying to put weight on. HGH was all over GNC stores like it was the new wonder pill. Same with that ephedrin hydroxcut weight loss crap now! Theres a pill for everything and anything these days. Can't be to carefull. :rolleyes: Next they'll tell me green tea causes loss of bladder control. :cry :D
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Big Mac better fess up if he's gonna be a hitting coach for the Cards.
But I don't blame him for doing it. I don't blame the players one bit. You can be mad at them for cheating and being poor role models, but all they were doing was trying to stay competitive. You can blame the league for not snuffing it out as soon as it became a problem. They didn't, and the players had to do what they had to do in order to keep their jobs.
It could even be argued that the steroid era was a necessary evil for the revival of baseball after the strike. I don't know about that though. I do know that I still hate Barry Bonds, though. Not for his juicing, but for his piss poor attitude.
Its amazing looking back on those years and seeing how obvious it all was. And yet most of us had no clue. You can tell just by looking at someone if they're juicing or not, especially with a baseball player. The season is too long and hard to grow muscles that big. You can't work out all the time like with football. It is nice watching baseball now that its relatively clean. Nice to see all the young guys stepping up too.
Just my 2cents.
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An unenforced rule is no rule at all. The league and the owners are just as culpable as the players--maybe more so. And yes, I know they're bad; I'm certainly not trying to white-wash their use, just trying to argue that we shouldn't bash the players only here. As for Bonds, all he needs to do is come out and tell the truth, fess up like Mac did, and I'd have the same regard for him.
Oh I totally agree with you that the rule does no good without enforcing it, I was just saying that it was there. It shows like you said that the league and owners are at just as much fault for not doing something about it. I was saying the same thing that the players shouldn't really get bashed too much on here, they did what they had to do. As for Bonds, I'm not so bothered by the use of steroids or other pes's with him, it's more about the perjury, tax evasion, and just overall attitude that was mentioned earlier. I just wanted to hear some others thoughts on Hall of Famers who have admitted to cheating in one form or another, and why they think steroids are considered cheating in the first place. I've never used them myself, nor ever will unless prescribed by a doctor for some condition in which I have to use them, and will always tell my players to stay away, but if someone wants to use them that's their business.
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I've never used them myself, nor ever will unless prescribed by a doctor for some condition in which I have to use them, and will always tell my players to stay away, but if someone wants to use them that's their business.
Dude.
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Dude.
Yes?
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Big Mac better fess up if he's gonna be a hitting coach for the Cards.
But I don't blame him for doing it. I don't blame the players one bit. You can be mad at them for cheating and being poor role models, but all they were doing was trying to stay competitive. You can blame the league for not snuffing it out as soon as it became a problem. They didn't, and the players had to do what they had to do in order to keep their jobs.
It could even be argued that the steroid era was a necessary evil for the revival of baseball after the strike. I don't know about that though. I do know that I still hate Barry Bonds, though. Not for his juicing, but for his piss poor attitude.
Its amazing looking back on those years and seeing how obvious it all was. And yet most of us had no clue. You can tell just by looking at someone if they're juicing or not, especially with a baseball player. The season is too long and hard to grow muscles that big. You can't work out all the time like with football. It is nice watching baseball now that its relatively clean. Nice to see all the young guys stepping up too.
Just my 2cents.
Yeah yeah..... NO!....
You act like no one is at fault. They all are that participated. None should be in the hall. If any are then it rates no more than a freak museum. Pay a dollar to see the bearded woman.
It would not help one bit if they even asteriked it. Real record and record on drugs.
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In other news, water is wet. Film at 11.
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Yeah yeah..... NO!....
You act like no one is at fault. They all are that participated. None should be in the hall. If any are then it rates no more than a freak museum. Pay a dollar to see the bearded woman.
It would not help one bit if they even asteriked it. Real record and record on drugs.
And what about all the guys that did coke or speed?
I agree with you in that the juicers should not be in the hall. Increasing bat speed from added strength is a hell of a lot more productive than improving reaction time from stimulants. But the records are there and I don't think they are gonna do a damn thing about them. We will all just have to remember which numbers are from the steroid era (its pretty obvious). I still consider Hank Aaron as the home run king.
I'm not saying that the fact they were juicing should be ignored, I'm just of the opinion that you can't blame them entirely for doing it.
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No one has to remember squat. That is my point. If these dopers are allowed in then the folks who actually worked hard to be better will be tarnished too. Instead of a hall of fame it'll be nothing but a freak museum.
If the plane goes down... it goes down with everyone in it.
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Everyone seems to focus on the hitters. Half or more of the guys that have been caught have been pitchers. Is it only fair for the pitchers to be on but not the hitters?
If we all want a truly even playing field then I say they should make steroids mandatory.
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And what about all the guys that did coke or speed?
Yup. We're not even touching on the use of amphetamines. I've heard that going without them is called playing "naked."
Coke doesn't really matter though. If you play sports under the influence of performance-decreasing drugs, and are still successful, you deserve a medal. Same goes for that Canadian snowboarder in the Olympics some years back; he should have received two medals once he tested positive for marijuana. ;)
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If you play sports under the influence of performance-decreasing drugs, and are still successful, you deserve a medal.
That's what so amazing about Lawrence Taylor--imagine how good he could have been if he'd been sober.
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It's a joke stoney.
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It's a joke stoney.
Sorry, I was replying in kind. One of these days, I'll find a sense of humor... :o
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An Olympic swimmer told me (yea, these many years ago) he gave the sport up after posting times on coke which he couldn't match sober.
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An Olympic swimmer told me (yea, these many years ago) he gave the sport up after posting times on coke which he couldn't match sober.
Interesting. I've never heard before that cocaine could improve athletic performance. Ah well, I guess I'll have to strike it off the list of performance-decreasing drugs in sports. :D
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Eh, stoney, sometimes my humor radar is broken. ;)
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Freeagency ruined the game of baseball along with almost any other sport it has touched.
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Interesting. I've never heard before that cocaine could improve athletic performance. Ah well, I guess I'll have to strike it off the list of performance-decreasing drugs in sports. :D
He told me he only did it twice. First time, national record. Second, best-ever international finish.
This was waaaaaayyyy back before they even tested for recreational drugs, and when the ultra-juiced East Germans were winning everything without fear of being caught. He had a sorry tale to tell about one noted DDR she-male who had, shall we say, a Jones for him. Much merriment ensued.
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No asterisk by Roger Maris' name.