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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Reschke on January 12, 2010, 08:26:58 PM
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After only one season in the SEC as the head coach at Tennessee the loud mouth is bailing out of a program that might have turned the corner IF he could have stopped being a smart butt! Oh and BTW Tennessee is facing NCAA investigation after this DA was the head coach for only one season for lots of allegations of improper recruiting just like what USC is facing now.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AmCyLQ5bCVUnN8MqK6JMEmgcvrYF?slug=td-kiffin011210&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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good riddance.
GO VOLS!!!!!
NOT
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vols sucked with that other coach and they sucked with this one
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What USC needs to do is fire their AD but since they got popped awhile back for not having enough minority in high positions, Garrett is safe. Sad because he is a cancer on a otherwise good athletic program. It was his hanging Carroll to dry that made going back to the NFL appealing to Carroll.
ack-ack
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I think they will end up firing Garrett once they meet with the NCAA and the full extent of things that have happened on his watch are revealed. Also now with UT going under the microscope there is no telling what will finally come out about Tennessee and how things were done over the last 20 years.
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Well, that bodes well for Clemson, South and North Carolina.
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Yes it does Stoney. I know some guys who played there that have said if there was EVER a dirty program it was Tennessee under Fulmer when they were reporting everyone else, and it has been even more so since Kiffen got there from what they know. Pell Grants don't buy Escalades, BMW and Mercedes but they will buy the $2000 hoopty that no one wants.
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Yes it does Stoney. I know some guys who played there that have said if there was EVER a dirty program it was Tennessee under Fulmer when they were reporting everyone else, and it has been even more so since Kiffen got there from what they know. Pell Grants don't buy Escalades, BMW and Mercedes but they will buy the $2000 hoopty that no one wants.
Hmmm. Growing up in western NC, you are always sensitive to what's going on in Knoxville. Matter of fact, most of the really good recruits from the NC mountains grow up Tennessee fans rather than NC or NC State, etc; Heath Shuler being the biggest example. Anyway, given that, I would have never thought that Fulmer would have condoned anything untoward--he always seemed above that.
To be honest, the biggest surprise in all of this is Carroll leaving USC. I thought he was going to be there forever. If I was a USC fan, Kiffin wouldn't inspire a lot of confidence.
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I heard the police and fire had to escort Kiffin out of the campus due to protesters blocking his way out. Anybody hear the same thing?
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Is this USC's attempt to distract the media with adding another problem to their footbal team. :rolleyes:
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Lane Kiffin going back to USC, however, is a good move by USC. Bringing a back a coach familiar with the area, the program, and knowing what is expected.
Think we all knew at some point Pete Carroll was going to go back to the NFL, it was just a matter of time. I personally didnt think he would pick up a program like the Seahawks, but hey its still the west coast.
It probably is a way to get away from all the scrutiny though that is going on at USC. The media is all over USC right now and to be in the situation has to be hell for the innocent athletes. One player ruining it for all. To be playing basketball at USC has to suck right now as their records wont even count.
How Pete Carroll will be reviewed after next season will be interesting. Either he will be praised for turning around the Seahawks or scrutinized for leaving a successful program.
Tennessee, however, is put in a pretty crappy situation. Coaching staff is up in the air and signing day is 3 weeks away. This will definitely impact the recruits.
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To be honest, the biggest surprise in all of this is Carroll leaving USC. I thought he was going to be there forever. If I was a USC fan, Kiffin wouldn't inspire a lot of confidence.
A lot of us over here in the Land of Troy were very surprised at the news and soon came to realize that Carroll's departure was pretty much forced on him by USC's AD that left him out to dry over the Bush and McKnight fiasco. Can't really blame him leaving if the AD stabs you in the back and tries to make you the fall guy to cover his inept handling of USC's athletic program. Garrett is a cancer that is infecting the Land of Troy and should be fired.
As for the reception that Kiffin is going to get, so far its been mixed. He does present the possibility of stability because he is familiar with the Trojan's program and is bringing some talented people with him is further helped with the possible return of Chow. On the other hand, he is fickle and will leave 'SC at the drop of a hat if something better comes along.
ack-ack
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I didn't think Pete Carroll would ever leave. He has a rare combination of great recruiting AND good coaching (in his position, managing) abilities... but in the NFL he only needs to be able to coach (and talent evaluation, which is only 1 aspect of recruiting). So that doesn't effectively utilize all of his talents. Also last time he was in the NFL he was a quasi-disappointment. Although if I recall correctly, a lot of people were saying he shouldn't really have been fired from that job. He was incredibly successful at USC, so much that going back to the NFL doesn't make a lot of sense, because he'll probably fail again. The only way leaving USC makes sense is if he was dirty or he knew something was about to go down there, and he didn't want to be burned by it himself.
As for Lane, he's going to be terrible at USC. Three years max and he's on the street, hope he got a guaranteed contract.
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I heard the police and fire had to escort Kiffin out of the campus due to protesters blocking his way out. Anybody hear the same thing?
I hadn't heard about them blocking his way out. I know there were a lot of people very upset on campus and the police were called out to handle the mobs.
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Carrol wasnt the worst possible coach in the NFL. His career record is 33-31 which isnt terrible compared to some of the other coaches in the NFL right now.
Look at Mangini who has gone 28-36 in his years as a head coach, Josh McDaniels huge slump in Denver in the season, and you have Marvin Lewis is just 1 win over .500.
Pete Carroll's head coaching career in the NFL wasnt long and who knows how it will go with his second chance. People are quick to say how bad he was in the NFL yet there are coaches now who honestly are doing relatively the same that he did in the 90s.
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Question is, how much stock can USC fans put in Kiffin? I mean this guy like 12-27 as a head coach, granted both teams he coached needed major help. But now he's going to a team, that can pretty much win with ANY coach because of the quality of recruits. So if USC finishes the same or better than Carroll's last season, is it because of Kiffin, or just because of the program over all?
Not saying he's a bad choice, like pointed out before, he knows SC. He was the recruit coordinator during what ESPN called Carroll's "Golden Years". He's bringing his dad with him which definitely is a good thing, and to be honest the guy does know the game pretty well.
Just kind of scary that this guy hasn't done anything as a head coach, and yet he just landed probably the most sought out and desired coaching gig in college football.
As for the "media diversion", I can't see USC even being worried about anything happening next month. If they were; why would they bring in a guy who just had a horrible year for almost the exact same thing that they being investigated for?
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I thought U$¢ was trying to get the NCAA off their backs
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More like setting up a fall guy....
Strip
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Well at this point it'll still get put on Carroll, especially with him now being gone. It will all fit too well not to blame Carroll. Only thing is will the AD get hit with it too, and if so, how hard?
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Anyway, given that, I would have never thought that Fulmer would have condoned anything untoward--he always seemed above that.
Fulmer was the biggest scumbag in the SEC. He also interfered with police investigations of his players. Then when someone would try to sneak something past the NCAA he would be the first one to cry. :rofl
http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2008/feb/18/ut-football-needs-a-change-at-the-top/
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Most people here are ultra pissed about this.
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Question is, how much stock can USC fans put in Kiffin? I mean this guy like 12-27 as a head coach, granted both teams he coached needed major help. But now he's going to a team, that can pretty much win with ANY coach because of the quality of recruits. So if USC finishes the same or better than Carroll's last season, is it because of Kiffin, or just because of the program over all?
Like I said, there is a civil war brewing in the Land of Troy. Sadly, the wrong person left USC but the way he was left out to dry by Garrett, I can understand why Carroll decided to leave. Unfortunately, because USC was popped a few years ago for not having any minorities in high positions at the university, Garrett's job is pretty much safe.
ack-ack
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I think Garrett will be fired over this apparent lack of institutional control issue that the NCAA is going nuts about @ USC. Just my opinion from reading all the allegations over OJ Mayo and Reggie Bush/Joe McKnight incidents.
In regards to Joe McKnight; there was a huge amount of speculation/inuendo/rumor going around the various SEC coaches (who I happen to know several position coaches at different schools) about how McKnight got out of Louisiana. It just so happened that he played at Evangel Christian Academy in Shreveport, LA where another USC player (John David Booty) went to school for a few games. During his time there it has been speculated that the initial contact with USC boosters was made.
Anyway I know that the vast majority of super star players get approached and even payed without many head coaches knowledge of it happening. However it happens and it happens at all levels of NCAA football from D3 to D1.
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I think Garrett will be fired over this apparent lack of institutional control issue that the NCAA is going nuts about @ USC. Just my opinion from reading all the allegations over OJ Mayo and Reggie Bush/Joe McKnight incidents.
In regards to Joe McKnight; there was a huge amount of speculation/inuendo/rumor going around the various SEC coaches (who I happen to know several position coaches at different schools) about how McKnight got out of Louisiana. It just so happened that he played at Evangel Christian Academy in Shreveport, LA where another USC player (John David Booty) went to school for a few games. During his time there it has been speculated that the initial contact with USC boosters was made.
Anyway I know that the vast majority of super star players get approached and even payed without many head coaches knowledge of it happening. However it happens and it happens at all levels of NCAA football from D3 to D1.
I think Garrett will be fine since Carroll left. With Carroll leaving, Garrett can basically claim innocence and quite possibly get away with it. But you're right, ALL schools do it, it's only certain ones who get caught
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I think Garrett will be fine since Carroll left. With Carroll leaving, Garrett can basically claim innocence and quite possibly get away with it. But you're right, ALL schools do it, it's only certain ones who get caught
Yep, Garrett will be able to continue to twist the knife in Carroll's back by claiming innonence and declaring the culprit has left the building.
ack-ack
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Yep, Garrett will be able to continue to twist the knife in Carroll's back by claiming innonence and declaring the culprit has left the building.
ack-ack
And with Kiffin's past, he already has the next fall guy. Isn't it grand?