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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SEraider on January 15, 2010, 11:00:03 AM
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Polital messages?
It seems that since the mid-90's, movies have sub-plots of anti-conservative, anti-gun, anti-industrialization, evil white men, men are dumb.
I have not seen Avatar yet and maybe I won't. I heard that the plot was not that terrific but I had a enviromentalist sub-plot. I miss the older movies where men could be men and not metro-sexuals, real plots, classy lady actresses, ect...
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I enjoyed the movie, good acting, amazing 3D and CGI, and the plot wasn't bad. I don't know about this shift to anti-gun or whatever in movies, it's hard to see a movie today without a gun in it, even kids movies. I "played guns" when I was a kid and there are plenty of kids today "playing guns" too. Society has shifted over the last two or three decades towards more environmentalism and that is being reflected in our movies. I think it's a little ridiculous to say there is a liberal agenda and somehow the dems are controlling all of our entertainment. Free market determines what movies do well.
What can I say, I can drive a tractor, I'm an NRA member, but I also really enjoyed Avatar and the plot.
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We probably shouldn't take this any further, we're skirting rule #14 now. :uhoh
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Polital messages?
It seems that since the mid-90's, movies have sub-plots of anti-conservative, anti-gun, anti-industrialization, evil white men, men are dumb.
I have not seen Avatar yet and maybe I won't. I heard that the plot was not that terrific but I had a enviromentalist sub-plot. I miss the older movies where men could be men and not metro-sexuals, real plots, classy lady actresses, ect...
AMEN!!!!! If you take it for what it is and realize the underlying message, and ignore it, some entertainment can be gleaned. However, the younger folks with mush for brains come out hating for example the Marines, "evil corporations" or buying into global warming because they do not know they are being indoctrinated.
I use Family Guy as a good example. When the first 2 seasons came out there were a few political jabs but I can take a joke and it was a funny show. Now, it is just a platform to bash conservativism and push a liberal agenda......total crap. I just want to be entertained, I do not need the morons in Hollywood trying to teach me a lesson.
SEsaber
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I have heard of folks walking out bored with the movie. Some are Ah folks.
I wait to watch movies at home even though I can go see them free.
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I have heard of folks walking out bored with the movie. Some are Ah folks.
I wait to watch movies at home even though I can go see them free.
Yeah, I watched a couple of older movies that were funny and entertaining and that being said, a more intellectual plot than what I seen today. I have not seen a good comedy in a long time and if I do, they are older movies.
The 'human beings are bad' subplots are getting old.
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Movies need heroes and villains. Since youth culture took off in the 60s the villains have sometimes tended to be "the establishment." This plays into young people's natural rebelliousness as they attempt to figure out the world for themselves.
Star Wars is a good example of this, or Titanic. The villains are the establishment, and the youth are the heroes. It's not a coincidence that the audience these movies are seeking is the audience that can most readily identify with the heroes.
I wouldn't go looking for a political agenda when the monetary agenda is much more compelling to the movie producers.
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
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"youth culture took off in the 60s"
In the 50's really if we gloss over the whole youth rebellion of the 20's
and 30s'
Eh. Did everyone forget all of the movies such as Red Dawn, Navy Seals, Heartbreak
Ridge, The Patriot, "300," Under Seige, Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, Vantage
Point, The Hurt Locker and all of the other hawk movies that came out to give conservatives
a wood plank?
I can't really begin to count all of the movies that Hollywood made in the past 20 yrs that
had South American, Middle Eastern or some other bad guy who are "try'n to be supress'n
us 'Mericans" but are beaten back by a small handful of the "good guys."
I offer that you are seeing a lot of political messages in Hollywoods films that don't
sit well with you then perhaps your own agenda or ideology is just too "far out"
there and a little self-reflection is in order?
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I hate anti-gun thingies, cos I really want to get shot :bolt:
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See Rule #14
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Avatar is doing really well, so a whole bunch of bandwagoners are using it for their own messages. Some have even said it racist :huh
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
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It's not that I can't handle it, I just rather not see it for what I hear it is about. Thats all.
It follows the same exact plot line as Pocahontas. All political messages perceived to be in the movie (other than that of Pocahontas- "'primitive' people and those of other cultures are people too') are just that, perceived. You have to take things very literally, others very figuratively and jump through ridiculous hoops to make it into propaganda. Of course people always want something for there to be a sensation about.
I saw it, and though I'm not a huge science-fiction fan I thought it was a great movie. If you don't see it because someone told you it had liberal undertones, you're really doing yourself a disservice.
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I usually watch movies that the trailer has something that catches my attention, then decide after if it was worth the rental. If it isn't, I don't recommend it to friends and family. I will probably see Avatar when it hits disc, but won't pay theater prices in case it doesn't appeal to me.
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Ya know if kids go outside and play "Cowboys and Indians" they can be charged for a Hate Crime.
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A lot of the 'older movies' that we remember from our youths had political statements, an example was High Noon which is considered to be an allegory for blacklisting that was going on during the HUAC years in the '50s. John Wayne despised the movie so much because of the message of the movie that he teamed up with Howard Hawks to make Rio Bravo which was a conservative response to High Noon.
ack-ack
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Movies are movies. Some are full of propaganda, some are light.
Kinda like ice cream, lottsa flavors.
I think you should not go see Avatar ;)
shamus
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" May I ask of Saving Private Ryan and Heartbreak Ridge of what political message you see? "
I don't see one. I enjoyed them each very much for what they were and that was entertainment.
There's been no recent paradigm shift. Maybe it's just you noticed somehting at this particular
point in your life. It's always been this way.
Although the extremes from Hollywood would be imo movies like The Green Berets and "300"
(although for *real* propaganda see Michael Moores junk and just as bad is the stuff Fox
"news" pumps out)
Anyway. Essentially what Shamus said, plus 1.
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Avatar is Pocahontas with aliens standing in for the Native Americans and an American military supported corporation standing in for English settlers. If you could handle Pocahontas without your brain imploding from evil liberal propaganda then you can handle Avatar.
This may be the smartest joke ever.
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Ya know if kids go outside and play "Cowboys and Indians" they can be charged for a Hate Crime.
I hope your kidding.... :noid
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As near as I can tell, it's still up to me what I watch or what my kids watch. Considering we always talk about stuff and they know where we stand on things, I don't worry about what a movie might say in terms of it's 'agenda'. I figure it's still up to me to help my kids process things and make up their own minds.
In the end, a movie is entertainment. If I've done such a lousy job teaching my kids that a movie can determine their politics, it's my own fault.
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14