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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FBGrave on January 20, 2010, 11:52:26 AM
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I've been the 'victim' too many times of new guys diving in front of me to engage a target I'm already shooting at. The last time he managed to shoot down the enemy while I shot down myself because he rudely parked his plane in front of mine. This effect is called killshooter. If you fire at your own team, you take damage.
New guys please show some courtesy. If I need help, I'll ask for it. Don't just dive in front and 'steal' the kill.
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Try flying a K4 and have this happen, I seem to have a 100% accuracy on friendlies with the tater. Never any fun :(
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For the new players...
If you can kill the guy I'm on faster than me go ahead.
I'll salute you and carry on the mission.
You'll save us time, fuel and ammo!
Keep up the good work!
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lol :x
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lol :x
If I'm in a good fight and someone comes blazing in, I'm not beyond backing off and wait till the interloper is dead to re-engage the con.
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For the new players...
If you can kill the guy I'm on faster than me go ahead.
I'll salute you and carry on the mission.
You'll save us time, fuel and ammo!
Keep up the good work!
Blah, you support something that is very rude. Why on earth would you support someone coming in without the courtesy of asking, and putting their own friendly in jeapordy of death?
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This move has been going on since day one.
On a related note: I have seen guncamera footage from a P47 firing into a 109 when you clearly see another P47 fly in between the shooter and the target. Have also seen F6F fly through the tracers of friendly F6Fs to get a shot at a Japanese plane (or perhaps try to get out of the way...there was no audio recorded back in those days. Would love to have heard the radio calls on that one).
The one thing about this topic that has caught my attention in the past is when some dolt comes in and pecks away at my kill then calls me a kill stealer when I ultimately get credit I deserve for damage already inflicted. No big deal - just interesting.
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For the new players...
If you can kill the guy I'm on faster than me go ahead.
I'll salute you and carry on the mission.
You'll save us time, fuel and ammo!
Keep up the good work!
Newbs dont listen to this dweebery. Pure silliness.
I don't need my 12:00 cleared>>>> plain and simple... Its rude . And a few more things will were on the subject.
If you cant communicate on vox or 200 or country and your getting your butt kicked ina a 1v1 I'm not going to presume U need help. If you ask I will bounce the con and let u reengage..
If I'm 1v1 DONT EVEN ASK> I would rather learn something and finish the fight .Live or die.
If i get killed THEN its your turn.
I have been very nice about names i dont recognize doing it... If i see your name more than twice you are going to get an ear full from me.
<S>
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Unfortunately it is not limited to new pilots... :rolleyes:
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Blah, you support something that is very rude. Why on earth would you support someone coming in without the courtesy of asking, and putting their own friendly in jeapordy of death?
Depends on the situation though Rock.
If I'm in a furball, and someone kills the guy I'm on, I can look passed that. However if I'm in a good fight like Shuf mentioned, then that's when it is completely rude and wrong.
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Kill the con, that is fine. It is your best chance for a kill anyway. But, do you have to put your plane in front of my guns? There are like infinite angles to shoot that plane from. :rofl
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For the new players...
If you can kill the guy I'm on faster than me go ahead.
I'll salute you and carry on the mission.
You'll save us time, fuel and ammo!
Keep up the good work!
Tactically speaking, you are more useful if you maintain your E and alertness in preparation to engage new incoming bandits than swooping in on a bandit whose demise is imminent. Also, you are less of a jerk.
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Lolz, I can't remember the last time I have been kill shot. The best solution to all things pertaining to Dweebery in this game is assume all your enemies will HO you, all allies will clear your 12, and making the appropriate adjustments. The counter to greedy allies is either flying where you have no allies or pwning hard before they have a chance to shoot 'your' target. :devil
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Blah, you support something that is very rude. Why on earth would you support someone coming in without the courtesy of asking, and putting their own friendly in jeapordy of death?
You say rude. I say teamwork.
It all depends on you're perspective. I'm not so full of myself to think it's "kill stealing". If you can kill the guy faster than me, go for it! There's plenty of reds to go around for everybody.
It's going to happen so why not just accept it as a positive thing?
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pwning hard before they have a chance to shoot
some guys need medication to have this happen. some poor fellas just shoot right away...... :(
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Lolz, I can't remember the last time I have been kill shot. The best solution to all things pertaining to Dweebery in this game is assume all your enemies will HO you, all allies will clear your 12, and making the appropriate adjustments. The counter to greedy allies is either flying where you have no allies or pwning hard before they have a chance to shoot 'your' target. :devil
Wisdom.
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I've been the 'victim' too many times of new guys diving in front of me to engage a target I'm already shooting at. The last time he managed to shoot down the enemy while I shot down myself because he rudely parked his plane in front of mine. This effect is called killshooter. If you fire at your own team, you take damage.
New guys please show some courtesy. If I need help, I'll ask for it. Don't just dive in front and 'steal' the kill.
Been the victim??? +1 for dramatics.
Honestly, this is the wrong place to post this because "n00bs" have not gotten around to using the BBS yet so this will go unheard of for the 1000+ noobs. Just logic bud, thats all.
But I can see them BnZ and not looking at their blind spot for you so just get over it bud.
I been a victim too ya know..... :cry
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Lolz, I can't remember the last time I have been kill shot. The best solution to all things pertaining to Dweebery in this game is assume all your enemies will HO you, all allies will clear your 12, and making the appropriate adjustments. The counter to greedy allies is either flying where you have no allies or pwning hard before they have a chance to shoot 'your' target. :devil
Dude, if you tried and missed a shot once in a while you would know what we are talking about. Not every one is using photon torpedoes in his planes :furious How can anyone steal a kill or kill shoot you when you look at con and it explodes?
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It true that a lot of new players dive right in and cross a friendly bullet stream. This usually happens to me when I have run the bandit down and am lineing up a close crossing shot. It is usually a spit or fast p51 who can pull the turn at a highter speed than me...they swoop in for an easy pick but take the angle right in front as I am firing so I get killshot instead.
This behavior is very rude. What is even worse is when they do this while THEY are dragging bad guys with them...they just drag the bandits right to my six, steal the kill, and I get jumped by the bad guys the newb was dragging.
Its one thing when I get myself ganged but a whole different thing when a kill stealing friendly newb brings the hord right to me. :furious
Especially when I have successfully dragged a bad guy out away from the hord for some slow scissor fun and the newb drags the whole conga line out saying " im coming agent....stay alive" :lol :lol :lol
A lot of times the newbs just don't know any better...it is up to the experienced players to teach them.
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Dude, if you tried and missed a shot once in a while you would know what we are talking about. Not every one is using photon torpedoes in his planes :furious How can anyone steal a kill or kill shoot you when you look at con and it explodes?
LOL. That brings us to our next topic, don't miss when you have green guys around you because they will shoot 'your' con! Mostly likely spray him with no actual physical damage but enough random hit point damage to award them the kill when you finally do finish him off a few turns later. It's frustrating when it happens but it's hard to blame anyone but myself when it does happen.
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I agree with Blooz if you can kill them before me then go for it just dont jump IN FRONT OF MY BULLETS TO DO IT. On the other hand what i do not like and has happend to me and I'm sure everyone else umpteen times is a good 1v1 and nobody enters to help or "steal " him but as soon as you take off his stab or vator or wing and he goes fluttering down 453 greens all chase him to the deck putting every round they have into him and you end up with the assist. :x
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You say rude. I say teamwork.
Teamwork is when folks work together not against eachother. If your flying through friendly bullit streams your a menace to your own side.
It all depends on you're perspective. I'm not so full of myself to think it's "kill stealing". If you can kill the guy faster than me, go for it! There's plenty of reds to go around for everybody.
Plenty of reds ?? Good go get one of them instead.
It's going to happen so why not just accept it as a positive thing?
I don't think lameness will ever be accepted by most folks.
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You say rude. I say teamwork.
It all depends on you're perspective. I'm not so full of myself to think it's "kill stealing". If you can kill the guy faster than me, go for it! There's plenty of reds to go around for everybody.
It's going to happen so why not just accept it as a positive thing?
Blooz, it is rude behavior. Skyrock is right on!!!
IF you read my post above you will see why.
If your hord of friendlies (aka your squad) are playing "chicken wing" (that's a vet term...you prob don't know what it is) then that's fine....just don't do that to someone you don't know.
Since you brought up "teamwork"
Teamwork - the actions of individuals, brought together for a common purpose or goal, which subordinate the needs of the individual to the needs of the group. In essence, each person on the team puts aside his or her individual needs to work towards the larger group objective. The interactions among the members and the work they complete is called teamwork.
Now, as for this game it means things like....covering a lead planes six so he can make the kill, giving check six, taking a position above the friendly on the kill to maneuver in on the other bad guys coming in for the easy pick....OR OMG maybe actually setting up a bandit for SOMEONE else to kill....what a concept...
FYI - Chickenwing = a comical game played by squad mates usuallying numbering 5 or more. When one member calls "chiiiiccccckkkkennnwinnnnnggg" all the other members try to steal his kill before he can get it himself. This usually results in hilarious howls of disgust and much smack talking among the squad mates.
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Newbs dont listen to this dweebery. Pure silliness.
I don't need my 12:00 cleared>>>> plain and simple... Its rude . And a few more things will were on the subject.
If you cant communicate on vox or 200 or country and your getting your butt kicked ina a 1v1 I'm not going to presume U need help. If you ask I will bounce the con and let u reengage..
If I'm 1v1 DONT EVEN ASK> I would rather learn something and finish the fight .Live or die.
If i get killed THEN its your turn.
I have been very nice about names i dont recognize doing it... If i see your name more than twice you are going to get an ear full from me.
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right on bud! That is exactly what I would say, but you said it better!
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Depends on the situation though Rock.
If I'm in a furball, and someone kills the guy I'm on, I can look passed that. However if I'm in a good fight like Shuf mentioned, then that's when it is completely rude and wrong.
Nah, PK... I respectfully disagree... never, and I mean never, should a friendlie be looking to clear your 12! Now, that is not to say I don't understand there are times when 2 or 3 or...hell, 8 friendlies all see the same con at the same time, and you just got there a little before they did... I mean if you are on the guys six and it is plain to everyone. :aok
btw... :salute
:D
Mark
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Lolz, I can't remember the last time I have been kill shot. The best solution to all things pertaining to Dweebery in this game is assume all your enemies will HO you, all allies will clear your 12, and making the appropriate adjustments. The counter to greedy allies is either flying where you have no allies or pwning hard before they have a chance to shoot 'your' target. :devil
yeah, those of us with a death wish and a yearning for outnumbered fights have a harder time though... you finally kill two of the 3 you were fighting, get on the 3rd guys six, and some "I'll save you" guy comes in blasting him off your 12.... gahhh! :furious
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Blooz, it is rude behavior. Skyrock is right on!!!
IF you read my post above you will see why.
If your hord of friendlies (aka your squad) are playing "chicken wing" (that's a vet term...you prob don't know what it is) then that's fine....just don't do that to someone you don't know.
Since you brought up "teamwork"
Teamwork - the actions of individuals, brought together for a common purpose or goal, which subordinate the needs of the individual to the needs of the group. In essence, each person on the team puts aside his or her individual needs to work towards the larger group objective. The interactions among the members and the work they complete is called teamwork.
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Right On!!!! I hate it when I work a guy down and I'm on his 6 setting up a tater shot and some dude comes in a 400mph and sweeps my kill.. all that effort, no reward... lame
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You say rude. I say teamwork.
yes, I say rude. Teamwork is when your countryman communicates with you, finds out you don't need his help, and disengages. :aok
It's going to happen so why not just accept it as a positive thing?
Wow. Logic gives me an abundance of reasons why this line of thinking isn't good! :aok
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Dude, if you tried and missed a shot once in a while you would know what we are talking about. Not every one is using photon torpedoes in his planes :furious How can anyone steal a kill or kill shoot you when you look at con and it explodes?
:rofl
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I agree with Blooz if you can kill them before me then go for it just dont jump IN FRONT OF MY BULLETS TO DO IT.
uhhh....op...topic..... :O
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SkyRock bored? :rofl
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IN a furball its not your kill untill AH system says it is. I have seen lots of players complain about somebody stealing their kills when they are the one's that jumped on somebody that was already engaged. In the past 6 months i have killed shot/damaged myself twice. both times while diving in the town trying to kill the troops. also seen lots of people pull the trigger like they have unlimited ammo and that's in the middle of a furball :uhoh, 2 and 3 second burst happened a lot in ww2 but they didnt have killshot there. as for myself, anybody is welcome to jump in front of me anytime they want, If I killshot myself it is my fault for bad SA, yes, you gotta keep track of your friends too they can also kill ya :devil.
I always ask with 1v1, never in a furball. only rule is that there are no rules in a furball :D.
semp
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Well, I guess I'm just open minded enough to think that when this happens it's not something done on purpose. It's an accident caused by the shooter either not seeing the friendly or the friendly being so far behind his "kill" that the shooter has room to slide in.
I just can't see you guys trying to impose another silly etiquette for something that not only happens infrequently but when it does happen, it's probably an accident.
What's lame is somebody killshoots themselves and then runs here to complain about it.
It happens. Get over it.
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Well, I guess I'm just open minded enough to think that when this happens it's not something done on purpose. It's an accident caused by the shooter either not seeing the friendly or the friendly being so far behind his "kill" that the shooter has room to slide in.
I just can't see you guys trying to impose another silly etiquette for something that not only happens infrequently but when it does happen, it's probably an accident.
What's lame is somebody killshoots themselves and then runs here to complain about it.
It happens. Get over it.
Let us know when you get out of the water... dang missed the boat, the pier, and almost the water.
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And I thought it was ricochet bullets kiiling me when I shoot at BEAR76. DOH! :rolleyes:
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I'm constantly amazed how many folks give up alt & E to swoop down and clear someone's "12". I'm even more amazed about the guys who come down and mess everything up I actually have film somewhere of a zip code in pony diving into a conga line and kill shooting all three friendlies while going so fast that he lawn darted trying to avoid my SBD. This of course is topped by the guy who dove in to a 1 on 1 and then wondered why I stood aside until the "bad guy" killed him.
However the real classic is the guy who comes flying in shooting over your shoulder and giving you 3-4 check 6's to try and move you off a con....
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Well, I guess I'm just open minded enough to think that when this happens it's not something done on purpose. It's an accident caused by the shooter either not seeing the friendly or the friendly being so far behind his "kill" that the shooter has room to slide in.
It does happen by accident sometimes. This is true. I have done it myself by not seeing a friendly closing under my nose. The difference is doing it on purpose with total disregard to your team mates.
I just can't see you guys trying to impose another silly etiquette for something that not only happens infrequently but when it does happen, it's probably an accident.
Believe it or not, but there IS ETIQUETTE in this game. There is also sportsmanship....and courtsey....and..competition. In fact, there is actually a private club of players who have this vision. The members number over 100 of the best sticks in this game collectivly having thousand and thousands of hours playing this game. The clubs goal is simple...to improve gameplay by helping others to learn not only proper ACM/BFM but courtious, respecful, sportmanship type of game play
There ARE acceptable and unacceptable ways of playing this GAME. This game is not a place for someone to come into and treat the game or other players with total disrespect and or essentially cause grief just for the sake of it.
Unfortunatly, there are many players in this game who do everything they can to cause grief at any oppurtunity they can. These types can't be helped. But anytime I have a chance to teach a new guy the acceptable rules of the road I will do so.
YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME!!!
What's lame is somebody killshoots themselves and then runs here to complain about it.
It happens. Get over it.
The OP has a valid statement on the issue. Voicing one's opinion about it is not lame. His post was to the point and without rude flaming comments.
It is, in fact this very kind of issue that many, many players in this game attempt to correct by informing those who perhaps do not realize what they are doing.
Agent360 :salute
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SkyRock bored? :rofl
Shhhh... you tryin to blow my cover as concerned patron?
:noid
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To me if someone sweeps in on a 1v1 its rude if there is a mix of allies and red guys around and it happens it doesn't bother me because I should have shot down the guy earlier.
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I've been the 'victim' too many times of new guys diving in front of me to engage a target I'm already shooting at. The last time he managed to shoot down the enemy while I shot down myself because he rudely parked his plane in front of mine. This effect is called killshooter. If you fire at your own team, you take damage.
New guys please show some courtesy. If I need help, I'll ask for it. Don't just dive in front and 'steal' the kill.
Happens to me all the time. When I say something, the response is, "I was closer...I had a better angle...you missed the first shot" etc., etc., so if it's clearly yours and his, I will stay out, but if it's a hairball, who can tell who's shootin' at who, or what, or who did what to who....? :rolleyes:
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The OP has a valid statement on the issue. Voicing one's opinion about it is not lame. His post was to the point and without rude flaming comments.
It is, in fact this very kind of issue that many, many players in this game attempt to correct by informing those who perhaps do not realize what they are doing.
Agent360 :salute
Although he's me squaddie, and I like heem ahight! Agent is spot on here!
I remember when I first started, and the "rush to get the kill before the other 9 greens get him" mentality was the rule of the day with me....
and then one time I was flying over the water to an enemy base, and there was this green fella fighting this red fella...and I dove in.... in my typhoon... and disintegrated the red guy right in front of the greens face.... out of nowhere I hear the green fella say, "Geesh, I had been fighting that guy for 10 minutes, why did you do that?" I didn't know why I did it. He said, "geesh newbs are so annoying" or something close to that.. and I felt genuinely bad about doing that... he made a point, even though I didn't understand why... The green guy was JB42. Later, after I started learning some acm's and consequently started really enjoying the challenge of testing my skills against a foe, I truly understood just how rude I was.... flying along, just 3 players in sight..... me, JB42, and the red fella, and I got the kill that he worked for...and in such a fashion as to leave me feeling cheap, like a thief, or a liar, in my comp chair, by myself, playing an online game.... it still stands out as a turning point of how I viewed the game. At any rate, it shows better teamwork to communicate with friendlies, and encourage them to be better(hard to do that when you can't even afford them the courtesy of finishing their own fight). If one lets themselves get so caught up in the red vs green, us vs them, at all cost.... we forget that not only are we stealing an opportunity from a friendly to have a good fight, we also steal that from the other community member that just so happens to be red... and yes, I have left fights alone and the red guy won, so I swooped down and splashed them...many times the greeny will thank me for letting him finish his fight(even though he lost)... the war will always be there, the scoring system's not going anywhere either, and there will be plenty of time for you to get your name in lights landing kills you did absolutely nothing to deserve, but butt in a fight and pull a trigger!
<S> Blooz
Mark
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Wow. You guys are something.
Know what? It happens. It's going to happen and it's always going to happen and nothing you're going to say or do is going to keep it from happening but you really think you can keep it from happening.
Unbelievable.
It's so interesting to read this stuff.
Where do you guys come up with this insane way of thinking? All I did was state that if anyone cut in front of me and killed the target I was on I wouldn't lose my mind about something so trivial. Even if I killshot myself, I still wouldn't cry about it.
Wow, just, wow.
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Wow. You guys are something.
Know what? It happens. It's going to happen and it's always going to happen and nothing you're going to say or do is going to keep it from happening but you really think you can keep it from happening.
Unbelievable.
It's so interesting to read this stuff.
Where do you guys come up with this insane way of thinking? All I did was state that if anyone cut in front of me and killed the target I was on I wouldn't lose my mind about something so trivial. Even if I killshot myself, I still wouldn't cry about it.
Wow, just, wow.
Ah...It's just a game, right? They aren't REALLY killing you. :aok
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Even if I killshot myself, I still wouldn't cry about it.
Wow, just, wow.
You know something.... I saluted you at the end of my post, now I most certainly take that back, as I don't salute bendoverbob's! I saw absolutely no crying from any of us that attempted to insert a backbone in your spineless carcass. Hell, if you don't have the oompa's to even stand up for yourself, how would you ever be any help to your team????
:rolleyes:
carry on.
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Wow. You guys are something.
Know what? It happens. It's going to happen and it's always going to happen and nothing you're going to say or do is going to keep it from happening but you really think you can keep it from happening.
Unbelievable.
It's so interesting to read this stuff.
Where do you guys come up with this insane way of thinking? All I did was state that if anyone cut in front of me and killed the target I was on I wouldn't lose my mind about something so trivial. Even if I killshot myself, I still wouldn't cry about it.
Wow, just, wow.
Your missing a much broader message. That the overall quality of the "game play" is much more important then "the kill" and in fact that sometimes the fight by itself is enough and the kill isn't important...or doesn't even happen.
Here's a film from a few weeks ago representing a different point of view...
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/film58.ahf (http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/film58.ahf)
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I've been the 'victim' too many times of new guys diving in front of me to engage a target I'm already shooting at. The last time he managed to shoot down the enemy while I shot down myself because he rudely parked his plane in front of mine. This effect is called killshooter. If you fire at your own team, you take damage.
New guys please show some courtesy. If I need help, I'll ask for it. Don't just dive in front and 'steal' the kill.
FBGrave, is an ok post, you did not flame anyone or single anyone out....... yet you tryed to explain how "WRONG FORM of GamePlay" it is for people to jump in and basically Block you from finishing your fight ( other words steal your kill after you worked the guy over for how ever long to gain a killing solution )
For the new players...
If you can kill the guy I'm on faster than me go ahead.
I'll salute you and carry on the mission.
You'll save us time, fuel and ammo!
Keep up the good work!
just out of curiosity, Blooz..what if you was in a hard drawn out fight 2 vs YOU, and you manage to turn the tide kill off one and worked 2 or 3 minutes finally lining up on that 2nd Bogey just to have some one who "can kill the guy faster than you" you would tell him to keep up the good work? with him taking away the pleasure you just about fulfilled of beating a 2 vs 1 disadvantage and was fixing to finish off the last one?
that just don;t sound like Good Etiquette on neither the guy jumping in for the easy pickings, or from you for telling him GOOD JOB.... that looks and smells of BAD Etiquette / Bad Gamemanship on both accounts if that is what you would tell him/her.........
reading this, I can not help but think you might be having a bad day Blooz, it just don;t sound liek you..and you are one of those who is frequently in the TA helping the new guys.heck for the last 4 or 5 years yo been doing that....
Well, I guess I'm just open minded enough to think that when this happens it's not something done on purpose. It's an accident caused by the shooter either not seeing the friendly or the friendly being so far behind his "kill" that the shooter has room to slide in.
sometimes it is by accident, I agree with that........ but lets look back at 2000 thru 2004 ( well 2000 to 2003 ) you VERY VERY VERY Seldom had this issue arise... when it did arise, we told the new guys what they was doing was not good gameplay, we explained to them "Hey, why give up alt, when it is clear I am about to kill the guy, or what the outcome could be by diving infront of your countryman without letting him now you was passing him by on what every side ........ teach them, explain both outcomes........ it makes the game better for everyone....
I just can't see you guys trying to impose another silly etiquette for something that not only happens infrequently but when it does happen, it's probably an accident.
I am finding it hard to believe you typed this sentence Blooz......... "silly etiquette" .......... The older/longer time being here players, must teach the newer players, if they don't then this is gonna end up just like COD2MW or WOW or whatever......... hell... it is headed that way now in the LW arenas and has been for past 2 or 3 years...... you call this silly etiquette..... but the problem is 95% of the community playing is not teaching the new guys a damn thing.......
What's lame is somebody killshoots themselves and then runs here to complain about it.
it may have been a partial complaint, but he did it with good behavior and did not name names or flame anyone personally.....and had a flair of a bit of advice in there to boot.....
It happens. Get over it.
Wrong mentality......and sounds like something I would say, when I was near one of my burnout stages.....
we must show the newer players that although it happens....it is almost 100% avoidable on both accounts is avoidable for the guy diving in to take a kill away, is avoidable for the Guy who kill shoots himself, ....... teach your countrymen/teammates to use proper voice comms ( Communications ) if you are below someone yet faster and closing on the same plane, tell the other teammate where you are..... or ask him if he even needs help before going Full Bore blasting past him to get the bogey he just wore down to no + energy state.....
I can not believe some of the ill advised replys I have read in this thread... seriously......
in all fairness, I have never seen you post stuff like this Blooz........ just don't seem like it is you nature...... who has stolen Blooz's account...... dammit :furious
:salute everyone
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Wow. You guys are something.
Know what? It happens. It's going to happen and it's always going to happen and nothing you're going to say or do is going to keep it from happening but you really think you can keep it from happening.
Unbelievable.
It's so interesting to read this stuff.
Where do you guys come up with this insane way of thinking? All I did was state that if anyone cut in front of me and killed the target I was on I wouldn't lose my mind about something so trivial. Even if I killshot myself, I still wouldn't cry about it.
Wow, just, wow.
I think you're reading this all wrong and definitely overreacting
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Know what? It happens. It's going to happen and it's always going to happen and nothing you're going to say or do is going to keep it from happening but you really think you can keep it from happening.
About a year ago now, some guy said something very similar to that. Know what happend? He got booted from the TA. I never saw him again.
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in all fairness, I have never seen you post stuff like this Blooz........ just don't seem like it is you nature...... who has stolen Blooz's account...... dammit :furious
We all have bad days TC. You are correct.
EDIT: I blame TexasMom
(http://www.etc3dot.com/images/Lucy_and_Charlie_Brown.jpg)
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Wow. You guys are something.
Know what? It happens. It's going to happen and it's always going to happen and nothing you're going to say or do is going to keep it from happening but you really think you can keep it from happening.
Unbelievable.
It's so interesting to read this stuff.
Where do you guys come up with this insane way of thinking? All I did was state that if anyone cut in front of me and killed the target I was on I wouldn't lose my mind about something so trivial. Even if I killshot myself, I still wouldn't cry about it.
Wow, just, wow.
It's good to air these things as some are capable of learning.
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I play both way I guess i like to duel and play with etiquette and sometimes i like to do the lame stuff like pick, bnz, jump in on a con, fly in the horde, do massive noes, do massive missions. To me its all part of the game and while having the lame stuff happen to you can be frustrating it doesn't really bother me to much. I really don't understand why you cant fly both ways with etiquette and without both are fun to me.
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Your missing a much broader message. That the overall quality of the "game play" is much more important then "the kill" and in fact that sometimes the fight by itself is enough and the kill isn't important...or doesn't even happen.
Here's a film from a few weeks ago representing a different point of view...
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/film58.ahf (http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/film58.ahf)
F-4U driver needs to adjust head position and hit F10 to save when he looks up, up&back, left&back, Rt&back to get cockpit parts clear of his view.
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I play both way I guess i like to duel and play with etiquette and sometimes i like to do the lame stuff like pick, bnz, jump in on a con, fly in the horde, do massive noes, do massive missions. To me its all part of the game and while having the lame stuff happen to you can be frustrating it doesn't really bother me to much. I really don't understand why you cant fly both ways with etiquette and without both are fun to me.
Yup, that's when you settle down a bit & really start enjoying the game without all the "He Ho'd me that SOB!" type thinking I believe the phrase is, "It's all good Bro!" :joystick: lets have fun.
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I'm going to take a guess that the different perspectives here are partially due to fighting style. I am one (and I know many others who replied are too) who will fly toward the high altitude threat while everyone else is trying to make themselves scarce or hide under a rock. As soon as you turn the tables on the bogie the same guys who scattered like roaches when a light is flipped on, are suddenly swarming your fight. Not unexpected, but rude non the less.
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As mentioned before, its not something we will ever be able to change unless killshooter goes bye bye. I almost rather have the old AW setup. Kill one friendly ok, kill another your grounded for x amount of time. Its bad form however you cut it.
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All I got to say about this topic, Whats so hard about asking if they need help?
:headscratch:
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All I got to say about this topic, Whats so hard about asking if they need help?
:headscratch:
In a vacuum this seems like a no brainer, 1v1 fight in the middle of nowhere at an off peak hour. But when a sector becomes populated at a busy time, 1v1s mesh with furballing chaos, yet some players still think a con is 'theirs' even though another ally might have been fighting him at the same time, or came out of a turn and there's a red guy in front of him so he fires. Aside from a very blatant 1v1 situation with no one else in sight, or a situation where an ally has a guy absolutely saddled, 200yds, right on his butt, I don't see the issue with shooting who you can kill. Worrying about etiquette in a multi plane engagement is pretty foolish imo.
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LoL :x
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Nah, PK... I respectfully disagree... never, and I mean never, should a friendlie be looking to clear your 12! Now, that is not to say I don't understand there are times when 2 or 3 or...hell, 8 friendlies all see the same con at the same time, and you just got there a little before they did... I mean if you are on the guys six and it is plain to everyone. :aok
btw... :salute
:D
Mark
Now this would be a nice change of pace.
Then I would only have to worry about the one plane behind me instead of the five all trying to clear each others 12:00 LOL
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That the overall quality of the "game play" is much more important then "the kill" and in fact that sometimes the fight by itself is enough and the kill isn't important...or doesn't even happen.
Well, I actually agree on that one. Since I came back to AH I suffer from 'assistitis' - and you know what - it does not bother me. Had some very nice 1 vs. 1 in the last few days, high alt dancing and canyon fighting. Flying 190s mainly I usually have to work long and hard in duels since I cannot afford to go into T&B mode and stick myself to the target 6. More than once a fellow countryman jumped in to 'save' me but usually I don't mind since I had a good time grinding away the baddies E for the last 10min.
Killshooter is much better than what would happen without it!
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You know something.... I saluted you at the end of my post, now I most certainly take that back, as I don't salute bendoverbob's! I saw absolutely no crying from any of us that attempted to insert a backbone in your spineless carcass. Hell, if you don't have the oompa's to even stand up for yourself, how would you ever be any help to your team????
:rolleyes:
carry on.
Ahhhh, welcome back.
I was getting worried :rofl
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Blah, you support something that is very rude. Why on earth would you support someone coming in without the courtesy of asking, and putting their own friendly in jeapordy of death?
Absolutely positively right on the mark (no pun intended Mark). :rock
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with anything in life, we are judged by how we act or how we perform and/or present ourselves infront of others ( or infront of a computer screen in a game ), or around others...
having good ethics, good sportmanship, good gamemanship, good etiquette is something someone should not ever have to worry about..... hell it should be 2nd nature! kind of like a 6th sense......
no, you should not worry about in a multiple bandit dogfight or furball........ but you should make it part of your lessons in playing the game.......
with that said........ and this goes hand in hand with those "TOP STICKS OF THE DAY OR TODAY Threads" some do not deserve to have their names listed "EVER" and never will deserve to have their names listed...........all based on how they have presented themselves to the rest of everyone else in the game of killing cartoon planes, how they never help, and how they think they are better than everyone else and how they never have a good thought or post complimenting someone else..
as for bashing Blooz, I do not wing with him, I do not play the game with him, but I have observed him for nearly 6 or 7 years..... Blooz had an off or bad day.....it is my view or opinion that's what it was....
he later posted something simply explaining how he might act in that situation....... he finished it with WOW..... but he does not deserved to be berated by everyone ( edit: not speaking everyone literally. just some of the posters ), for he has put more time in helping the rest of the community, more so than some of you have been flying this game as a whole... even those who have been here 4 or 5 years just playing it.......
let up on the guy......... he had a bad day.......... have you not ever had a bad day?
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Ahhhh, welcome back.
I was getting worried :rofl
cover blown! :bolt:
:noid
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On a more positive note, the best way to stop friendlies jumping in your 1v1s is to not jump into theirs, and say so. I always say "I'm staying out" on range - if they need help they can ask me.
Amazing how well it works. Since I started doing that - announcing that I'm staying out - I get the the same treatment in return a good amount of the time.
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Don't forget that this is an imperfect environment. I have dove in on someone's six, got the kill, got chewed out & never saw, or heard, the other lower & slower friendly on his six. He probably saw me & didn't call "Mine-Weazle". It wasn't quite a fur ball, but very busy & I didn't have time to check 360 X 360 deg to make sure he was "Mine". Like in high school ball, calling "Mine" might help a lot. Of course you's have to give a bit more info. :rock
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F-4U driver needs to adjust head position and hit F10 to save when he looks up, up&back, left&back, Rt&back to get cockpit parts clear of his view.
the film viewer only shows default views...
What is even worse is when they do this while THEY are dragging bad guys with them...they just drag the bandits right to my six, steal the kill, and I get jumped by the bad guys the newb was dragging.
now this is really annoying :furious
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The OP killshot himself when someone got between him and the target. It happens. It's happened to me and it's happened to you. If it hasn't happened to you, it probably will somewhere in your career.
Has all the threads on Head On shooting stopped HO's? - No
Has all the threads on picking stopped picks? - No
Has all the threads on vulching stopped vulchers? - No
Has all the threads on Alt monkeys stopped pilots from flying at 30k? - No
You get the idea.
So what makes you think a thread about someone killshooting themselves is going to stop killshooting?
It's not.
When it happens to you and it will, turn the other cheek. Up a new plane. Next time resolve to not get target fixated and have a little more SA when you pull the trigger. It happens. It's going to happen. Yes, it sux but accept the truth. None of us are immune and won't be (as long as killshooter is on,of course).
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There is always new blood coming into the game that has never seen any post regarding this type of shenanigan.
As for others still doing these type things... some are not capable of learning a better way and some just don't care.
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There is always new blood coming into the game that has never seen any post regarding this type of shenanigan.
as Blooz posted, posting of the threads will not stop everyone from doing whatever.......but it is good for new comers to see them from time to time to possibly learn something valuable about what other perceive to be good or bad.......
also
Will all the threads on Head On shooting ever stop? - No
Will all the threads on picking ever stop? - No
Will all the threads on vulching ever stop? - No
Will all the threads on Alt monkeys ever stop? - No
will everyone who posted in this thread or other threads relating to the above threads in question stop them from posting their opinion/reply about the subject in question? nope.....
and with this newer players can learn from it :aok
As for others still doing these type things... some are not capable of learning a better way and some just don't care.
totally agree....... just got to have hope.......... only if you can reach that one player....... it makes it a better place +1 ;)
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About 75% of the time I fly the Hurri 2c (Haven't been around that long) which is to say I fly the slooow plane. When I get out of the furball and on a another planes 6, I will give chase for about a minute in hopes the other guy will flip back and reengage. A vast majority of the time, a friendly will scream past me and go for the kill, I don't mind at all. I say Go for it and head back looking for someone else that is most likely going to put me in the tower.
That being said I dont like someone jumping in on a 1v1. Simply because if i get into one and survive for more than 30 seconds, I am very happy.
:salute
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As mentioned before, its not something we will ever be able to change unless killshooter goes bye bye. I almost rather have the old AW setup. Kill one friendly ok, kill another your grounded for x amount of time. Its bad form however you cut it.
I don't think getting rid of killshooter will solve the problem, but bringing these things out in the open MAY teach new guys reading the boards what is considered good game play and whats not.
Heck if SkyRock can learn that clearing a guys 12 is lame, ANYBODY can ! :devil
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Heck if SkyRock can learn that clearing a guys 12 is lame, ANYBODY can ! :devil
I fully support this message! :devil
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There is one instance where I think it's acceptable to clear a friendly's 12 and that's when he's being outrun by a runner. Since I usually fly with some alt I've cleared several of these. As I approach I always tell the friendly "id... coming through". A little common courtesy/communication helps.
Other than that I hate tracers coming over my wings (like they have a better shot than me?) or the guy who appears in front of me with no notice. I've had to stop firing on many occasions and have been kill shot that way on others. I mean really, if I'm already firing you need to jump in front of me?
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The OP killshot himself when someone got between him and the target. It happens. It's happened to me and it's happened to you. If it hasn't happened to you, it probably will somewhere in your career.
Has all the threads on Head On shooting stopped HO's? - No
Has all the threads on picking stopped picks? - No
Has all the threads on vulching stopped vulchers? - No
Has all the threads on Alt monkeys stopped pilots from flying at 30k? - No
You get the idea.
So what makes you think a thread about someone killshooting themselves is going to stop killshooting?
It's not.
When it happens to you and it will, turn the other cheek. Up a new plane. Next time resolve to not get target fixated and have a little more SA when you pull the trigger. It happens. It's going to happen. Yes, it sux but accept the truth. None of us are immune and won't be (as long as killshooter is on,of course).
Good post and TC's as well.
Edit: As for the OP. If I see someone (IDGAF how good they are) fighting, I'll still ask and say "Just holler". 9 times out of 10, it's "GTF in here and help".
If someone fires over my shoulder 9 times out of 10, they're getting towered, because I will deliberately bank into their bullets. If someone "cut me off", I'd simply shake my head and bank away. They get added to a long "no help list".
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There is one instance where I think it's acceptable to clear a friendly's 12 and that's when he's being outrun by a runner. Since I usually fly with some alt I've cleared several of these. As I approach I always tell the friendly "id... coming through". A little common courtesy/communication helps.
Other than that I hate tracers coming over my wings (like they have a better shot than me?) or the guy who appears in front of me with no notice. I've had to stop firing on many occasions and have been kill shot that way on others. I mean really, if I'm already firing you need to jump in front of me?
I might turn the runner for him but I won't shoot him unless the friendly is in some distress.
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Bottom line, newbs need to know that above and beyond the quest to get a kill... communication is the appropriate avenue for these situations... just ask the fella, most will let you know if they want you to stay out or not... and as far as bendover Blooz, he should take the statements of the vets that posted here, in objection to his line of thinking, with a little more common sense respect... the ole "its gonna happen, so bend over", simply is not the way to teach newcomers the ropes, the frustrating results of ignorance are easily preventable through simply letting them know the proper way to approach this situation.... through communication.
:salute
Mark
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I might turn the runner for him but I won't shoot him unless the friendly is in some distress.
Ummm...being that Shuff just commited perjury and just related an example of exactly the behavior that you guys have been chastising me for the last 5 pages in this thread goes to prove my argument.
Make all the little unwritten rules you want but you guys are guilty of jumping into the very situation that you've been trying so hard to deny in this thread.
Is "hypocrisy" too strong a word?
As I've tried to show all along, don't blame the guy trying to help kill the enemy. Blame yourself for continuing to shoot over his shoulder because you're greedy for the kill.
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Bottom line, newbs need to know that above and beyond the quest to get a kill... communication is the appropriate avenue for these situations... just ask the fella, most will let you know if they want you to stay out or not... and as far as bendover Blooz, he should take the statements of the vets that posted here, in objection to his line of thinking, with a little more common sense respect... the ole "its gonna happen, so bend over", simply is not the way to teach newcomers the ropes, the frustrating results of ignorance are easily preventable through simply letting them know the proper way to approach this situation.... through communication.
:salute
Mark
its not just the Newbies Mark, last night i couldnt tell you how many times i was in really fun 1v1's im talking 3 to 5 min fights and low and behold someone just flys in and kills the guy and flys off, the MA is losing its luster for me, if i need help i always ask and if i see a countryman in trouble i will ask if he needs my help if they say no i continue on, If the enemy is getting around on my fellow countrymen ill tell him ill clear his 6 and thats it, i wont steal a kill to much of that is going on as it is.
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Bottom line, newbs need to know that above and beyond the quest to get a kill... communication is the appropriate avenue for these situations... just ask the fella, most will let you know if they want you to stay out or not... and as far as bendover Blooz, he should take the statements of the vets that posted here, in objection to his line of thinking, with a little more common sense respect... the ole "its gonna happen, so bend over", simply is not the way to teach newcomers the ropes, the frustrating results of ignorance are easily preventable through simply letting them know the proper way to approach this situation.... through communication.
:salute
Mark
Just as many Vets have been sent to the Tower firing over my shoulder, as have new players. Just as many Vets "join the Conga lines" to be the 8th person on the 6 of a lone con. Just saying.
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Ummm...being that Shuff just commited perjury and just related an example of exactly the behavior that you guys have been chastising me for the last 5 pages in this thread goes to prove my argument.
Make all the little unwritten rules you want but you guys are guilty of jumping into the very situation that you've been trying so hard to deny in this thread.
Is "hypocrisy" too strong a word?
As I've tried to show all along, don't blame the guy trying to help kill the enemy. Blame yourself for continuing to shoot over his shoulder because you're greedy for the kill.
Do you know what perjury means? :D
What your talking about doing and what I said I will do is two different things. In my setup I never get near the bullit stream of my countryman as I turn the con. In most all cases the con is out of range of a decent firing soulution for the friendly. Hence the reason for a push to turn.
Impossible to do when your bullit stream is in flight and he drops out of nowhere into it.
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Just as many Vets have been sent to the Tower firing over my shoulder, as have new players. Just as many Vets "join the Conga lines" to be the 8th person on the 6 of a lone con. Just saying.
Hehe, yep :aok
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Make all the little unwritten rules you want but you guys are guilty of jumping into the very situation that you've been trying so hard to deny in this thread.
Is "hypocrisy" too strong a word?
Not once have I seen someone denying that they have ever done this...I have seen statements where fellas explained how they learned that there was a better way to treat your countrymen, than to dive in and clear their 12 without asking them....and then stating the better way.
As I've tried to show all along, don't blame the guy trying to help kill the enemy. Blame yourself for continuing to shoot over his shoulder because you're greedy for the kill.
Simply put, one of the most moronic statements I have ever seen on this BBS....really. :rolleyes:
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i couldnt tell you how many times i was in really fun 1v1's im talking 3 to 5 min fights and low and behold someone just flys in and kills the guy and flys off, the MA is losing its luster for me
Every time I log into the game its kind of like being dealt a hand of cards. you just never really know whether your going to get in on some good action or get stuck with a gaggle of man dork child squeeker type gamers. If your getting frustrated try MW for an hour or two. Would probably help a little just to change it up a bit.
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Every time I log into the game its kind of like being dealt a hand of cards. you just never really know whether your going to get in on some good action or get stuck with a gaggle of man dork child squeeker type gamers. If your getting frustrated try MW for an hour or two. Would probably help a little just to change it up a bit.
Yeager i love the MW, i find more 1v1 theres no ganging hordes, sure theres not alot of people that go there (don't know why) when i go in theres usaully 16 to 32 depending on what time, real friendly people on all sides and ive made some new friends in there, Ive noticed that in MW its alot easier to fight how you want to than the LW, you can get into a 1v1 and don't really have to look out for 6 more bad guys jumping in.
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Blooz is right. Some say its all about the fight. If that's true the kill aspect really shouldn't matter that much. You have a good fight even if some one else gets the kill. You guys really have to stop being so confusing it is getting hard to keep up. Its not going to change no matter how much you post are give people a hard time. You may sway some "to the path of righteousness" but you will never sway them all.
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Blooz is right. Some say its all about the fight. If that's true the kill aspect really shouldn't matter that much. You have a good fight even if some one else gets the kill. You guys really have to stop being so confusing it is getting hard to keep up. Its not going to change no matter how much you post are give people a hard time. You may sway some "to the path of righteousness" but you will never sway them all.
funny you say this... he couldnt be more wrong... I dont post here to sway folks, I state my opinion from my experience.. sometimes my opinion is weighted in facts from years of experience... this so happens to be one of those times... if you ask(which shows courteousy to your countrymen), you get better respectful reactions from all involved and everyone feels better about the situation, not to mention those countrymen will remember your behavior and be more willing to help you in the future... to twist this fact into some sort of crap argument like you and Bendover Blooz are tryin to do, simply shows that you two are simply missing the point.. or are pushing a disrespectful strategy...so... which is it?
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funny you say this... he couldnt be more wrong... I dont post here to sway folks, I state my opinion from my experience.. sometimes my opinion is weighted in facts from years of experience... this so happens to be one of those times... if you ask(which shows courteousy to your countrymen), you get better respectful reactions from all involved and everyone feels better about the situation, not to mention those countrymen will remember your behavior and be more willing to help you in the future... to twist this fact into some sort of crap argument like you and Bendover Blooz are tryin to do, simply shows that you two are simply missing the point.. or are pushing a disrespectful strategy...so... which is it?
So your not posting to change peoples mind about clearing someones 12 o clock,ok.
Like I said before if it is painfully obvious that its a 1v1 then yes its lame. If there is more than one red guy or its not 1v1 then no its not disrespectful. They should have shot him down faster. It is not going to change no matter what your opinion on the matter is.
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Blooz is right. Some say its all about the fight. If that's true the kill aspect really shouldn't matter that much. You have a good fight even if some one else gets the kill. You guys really have to stop being so confusing it is getting hard to keep up. Its not going to change no matter how much you post are give people a hard time. You may sway some "to the path of righteousness" but you will never sway them all.
A good fight is to the finish. Even if the finish is one plane being damaged to the point of not being able to continue and the other waving off, saluting and wishing him luck on making it home.
The kill is not important necessarily to the 2 fighting. It is obviously important to the one who has to jump into another fight just to get one. That is why it is usually comical to back off and let your adversary kill the interloper.
If you really want to see something funny.... stay in and and make the interloper think he is roping the con for you.... but don't shoot the con. :devil
If only one changes their ways it is still an improvement to the community as a whole. If your not interested in changing so be it. There are others who will.
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A good fight is to the finish. Even if the finish is one plane being damaged to the point of not being able to continue and the other waving off, saluting and wishing him luck on making it home.
The kill is not important necessarily to the 2 fighting. It is obviously important to the one who has to jump into another fight just to get one. That is why it is usually comical to back off and let your adversary kill the interloper.
If you really want to see something funny.... stay in and and make the interloper think he is roping the con for you.... but don't shoot the con. :devil
If only one changes their ways it is still an improvement to the community as a whole. If your not interested in changing so be it. There are others who will.
Shuff... LMAO!! I can't tell you how many times I have just wandered off if my fight gets jumped, and the red fella smokes the friendly... funny stuff! I usually ask the friendly to stay out, and many times they do... but some don't, and even after laming up an excuse like, "I thought you needed help" they continue to try and kill him... that is when leaving them to die is so satisfying!!! :devil
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the "WOOOOWOOOO" film should have been posted aloooong time ago. shame on the ones that have it and didn't post it.
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:lol true
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yeah, classic gut buster!!!! :rofl
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Blooz is right. Some say its all about the fight. If that's true the kill aspect really shouldn't matter that much. You have a good fight even if some one else gets the kill. You guys really have to stop being so confusing it is getting hard to keep up. Its not going to change no matter how much you post are give people a hard time. You may sway some "to the path of righteousness" but you will never sway them all.
Why are you and blooz so intent on proving that what we say is worthless? What is your problem with people trying to put out something positive?
There is NOTHING confusing about what we are saying...you just can't or don't want to understand.
I think you are just a pessimist who would rather come up with 100 reasons why something can't be done instead one GOOD reason why it can be done.
If we "sway some to the path of righteousness" then it will be well worth it. Because we can't save them all is not a reason not to save some of them.
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Im thinking maybe a couple posters in this thread should head over to the Wishlist forum and ask for a "Check 12" command.
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Im thinking maybe a couple posters in this thread should head over to the Wishlist forum and ask for a "Check 12" command.
As Larry the Cable Guy would say " Now Thats Funny Right There" How can you not see your 12 :rofl :rofl :rofl i can hear it now... UberDudE ..... i need help down here i got someone on my 12
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Oh where to begin in beating this dead horse again:
a) Yes it is rude to rob someone of a kill that they were workign on... but courtesy's aside, the fight isn't over until someone falls outa the sky, so to assume the kill was yours when you haven't recieved it yet does not mean for sure that you were for sure going to get the kill anyways.
b) Situational awareness makes or breaks a pilot. If killshooter was off, then surely only the most unseasoned pilots would willingly put their plane directly in the line of fire from a friendly (and take damage) to pick off one kill. Since there is no penalty for a player to fly themselves infront of a firing friendly (killshooter), we often overlook and forget about this aspect of being aware of your current situation in a fight. So now the responcibility falls to the initial friendly pilot. If you were unaware of the friendly coming up quickly behind you that is iminutley about to park themselves between you and your target (and right infront of your guns), then it's your fault. What if instead fo a friendly he was another enemy? You'd be dead. Poor SA (IE: only beign aware of your situation and that of your imediate target) and poor shooting skills will surely get yourself shot up (thanks to killshooter). Good SA will not since you'll know where the target is, where you are, and where the other firendly/enemy aircraft are in the fight. Good SA would also afford you the insight into seeing that you don't have to stay latched onto your opponents tail, your buddy can, so now instead you can do... oh say, grab some alt or keep soem E up while waiting for your univited buddy (who is latched on to the enemy's tail) to pressure him into a bad situation, and then drop down for the kill (and maybe watch your uninvited buddy KS himself too =D ).
c) It's war (in our cartoon skys). Green icons vs. red icons. One less red icon for one is one less red icon for all. "If it's red, it's dead" mentality, etc.
d) It's all Dale's fault.
e) It's all Skuzzy's fault
f) It's the mailmans fault for not delivering a certain players medical perscriptions this week.
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I have on more than one occassion watched two Gomers go Head to head and at the merge/ram one Gomer gets exploded and the other Gomer is slowly floating down with his tail gone. It is at this point that I go in for the target of opportunity kill and grab that bloodied scalp for my own felatious gratification.
What are you guys talking about again?
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Blooz, COMPLETE BS. I can only assume the nooblettes are being purposefully thick or are genuinely stupid. You know exactly what we're talking about. Yeah, it happens sometimes in a tight fight, sometimes maybe you don't see what's going on, yeah, it happens. What were talking about is zooming on an obvious 1v1 and clearing someone's 12. If you can't figure this out, go play COD 'cause your a retard. Im not good enough that I don't earn every kill I get. I can't stand it when I've managed to wear someone down and gain the advantage just to have some fraktard fly half a sector to zap the con I've clearly saddled.
You know your wrong, the timbre of your comments has changed since the vets have arrayed themselves against you. First it was "Do it, it's perfectly ok" to "well, it may happen from time to time, deal with it" to "well, maybe your not clearly in charge. Why so irritated?".
Again, if you honestly can't figure this out, there is no amount of explaining that will get it through that thick skull. It has been dissected clearly and concisely so that even the most brain dead imbecile could see exactly what is being said. Don't embarass yourself by trying to shore up a stupid arguement. Just admit you are wrong and learn from the experience of people that have been dedicated to this game and its content for a LONG time.
And one more thing, If you wanna be a team mate, clear my six, stay the hell out of my way, disrupt the incoming horde that's gonna catch me low and slow. Don't come down to win a fight I've already obviously won.
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Like I said, "There enough testosterone around here without me peeing on the deck too". :furious :banana:
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Just as many Vets have been sent to the Tower firing over my shoulder, as have new players. Just as many Vets "join the Conga lines" to be the 8th person on the 6 of a lone con. Just saying.
True statement, I save the films of the people who talk about The Fight then ganged me just for rainy days :aok
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Enough with the names.
I know exactly what I'm talking about.
This situation is going to happen and there's nothing you're going to do about it except maybe killshoot yourself just like the OP did. Then you'll get ticked off like the OP did and run in here screaming at the new guys for killing yourself when all you had to do was keep cool and hold your fire and see what the result of his attack was.
If you weren't so thick you'd read the original post and see it's just another dumb thread about some pilot that got mad because he shot himself down and blames others when he should blame himself.
You're assuming I clear 12's. I don't. You're also assuming you can change the way others play the game or prevent them from clearing your 12. You can't. So in future, to keep threads like this from starting, when someone gets between you and your target, hold your fire. Thanks.
Blooz, COMPLETE BS. I can only assume the nooblettes are being purposefully thick or are genuinely stupid. You know exactly what we're talking about. Yeah, it happens sometimes in a tight fight, sometimes maybe you don't see what's going on, yeah, it happens. What were talking about is zooming on an obvious 1v1 and clearing someone's 12. If you can't figure this out, go play COD 'cause your a retard. Im not good enough that I don't earn every kill I get. I can't stand it when I've managed to wear someone down and gain the advantage just to have some fraktard fly half a sector to zap the con I've clearly saddled.
You know your wrong, the timbre of your comments has changed since the vets have arrayed themselves against you. First it was "Do it, it's perfectly ok" to "well, it may happen from time to time, deal with it" to "well, maybe your not clearly in charge. Why so irritated?".
Again, if you honestly can't figure this out, there is no amount of explaining that will get it through that thick skull. It has been dissected clearly and concisely so that even the most brain dead imbecile could see exactly what is being said. Don't embarass yourself by trying to shore up a stupid arguement. Just admit you are wrong and learn from the experience of people that have been dedicated to this game and its content for a LONG time.
And one more thing, If you wanna be a team mate, clear my six, stay the hell out of my way, disrupt the incoming horde that's gonna catch me low and slow. Don't come down to win a fight I've already obviously won.
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Where do you guys find all these rules?
I first started online flight sims in the late 80's with Airwarrior on GEnie. It had simple black and white wireframe graphics, and cost a arm & a leg to play. Yes we did alot of 1 vs. 1 fighting.... not because we wanted to. Most nights there was to few of us online to do anything but that. We dreamed of the day that we would have 100's of players online, tons of planes, tanks, ships that moved, large maps to conquer, and we wanted to play WAR!
As the games got better, more "n00bs" came, and the rule became, if you're looking for a one on one don't look for it in the Main Arenas, in AW we jump into "Dueling mode" other sims you go to the Dueling Arenas. That's what they are for...... and called "Dueling Arena". Is it bad form to fly into someones line of fire?... yes. If i am flying along and see two planes in a fight and it looks look the guy on my side is winning. Do I jump in? maybe not. If it looks like he is not winning? Do I jump in? If I look around and see no "bad guys" that may jump me, then odd are yes.
Do I care if they wanted my help?....... not at all, we are in the main Arena.
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Enough with the names.
If you weren't so thick you'd read the original post and see it's just another dumb thread about some pilot that got mad because he shot himself down and blames others when he should blame himself.
....it's not a matter of blame, it's a matter of learning a protocol that works to respectfully avoid the problem if possible.... 99% of the times, the whole negative situation.. reguardless of how debatable the topic is.. could be avoided by a simple communication, with a splash of courtesy to boot!
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Where do you guys find all these rules?
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Truer words never spoken - I too am at a complete loss as to where these people come up with all these rules for a simulatoin of something that had NO rules - War!! It goes on and on and on......mainly from what I've dubbed the Circle Fight Mafia ( in the squad it's known as the Turntard Bullies) who seem to be trying to force everyone to fly their particular style of play.
They are indeed welcome to fly any way they want - they have my blessings( altho they certainly don't need them). Nor does anyone else need someone elses stamp of approval to fly any way that they choose.
Their incessant demands to "fly right" (and "right" is how "they" say it is) gets old very fast and in my view is uncalled for - abusive and disrespectful of other peoples rights. Their line of discussion smacks of "1984" imhv. I'd hazard a guess by their tone/comments in the numerous similar threads that they all voted democrat/left. :rofl
As far as I'm concerned (and I suspect many people who remain silent) ... everyone has the right to play this game as they see fit as long as they are not hacking it.
...but then who am I eh!!
....cheers eh!! :D
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You know, there should be no "rules" for courtous or respectful (to the green icons ,anyway) play. It should be totally OK to jump in and "F up" 1v1's, clear 12 o'clocks, kill steal, shoot over people's shoulder, etc etc. We'll all agree to not complain about or try to fix that type of ultra melonted bahavior, but only as long as you guys agree not to complain when people identify and collectively remember who the offenders are and make a concerted effort to place their friendly airplanes directly in your bullet stream at every single opportunity. Deal? :aok
Now, on with the AH version of "monkey crap-fight at the zoo".....
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....it's not a matter of blame, it's a matter of learning a protocol that works to respectfully avoid the problem if possible.... 99% of the times, the whole negative situation.. reguardless of how debatable the topic is.. could be avoided by a simple communication, with a splash of courtesy to boot!
You know, I've always wanted to be able to wield the power that you guys do. Let me see if I can do what you guys do and see what a difference I can make here. Here goes.
To all you pilots out there in AH land! Don't clear my 12! Don't clear anyones 12! EVER! Through the awesome force of my divine will and my years of playing this game and my magic wand I'm tapping on the monitor screen to transmit this power to the game servers down in Texas. I COMMAND THEE!
While we're at it, I guess I should also command that everyone out there not HO, gang, vultch, pick, run, horde, fly too fast, turn too hard or fly too high.
Wow! I feel godlike now just like you guys! The power I have now is incredible! I see now why you do it and how great it feels to be so uber just through the power of my personality! I can't thank you so much for helping me see the light and the error of my ways.
Sounds pretty dumb right? Yup. That's exactly how you guys sound when we read your posts on stuff like this. Make all the silly little rules you want to try to get people to fly the way you think they should. It'll never work. You don't have that power. Never did. Never will.
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You know, I've always wanted to be able to wield the power that you guys do. Let me see if I can do what you guys do and see what a difference I can make here. Here goes.
you are all stupid for trying to make anything better. You shouldn't even try. It will never work.
You could have saved yourself a lot of typing and just typed that instead.
Is this how you are in real life when you know there's a problem or bad situation that could maybe not be completely solved but possibly improved with a little communication and effort? Are you the first one to say "it won't work, we shouldn't ever try. We can't do it?"
If so, be glad you have the boss you have, 'cause I woulda fired you if you were one my employees.
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You know, I've always wanted to be able to wield the power that you guys do. Let me see if I can do what you guys do and see what a difference I can make here. Here goes.
To all you pilots out there in AH land! Don't clear my 12! Don't clear anyones 12! EVER! Through the awesome force of my divine will and my years of playing this game and my magic wand I'm tapping on the monitor screen to transmit this power to the game servers down in Texas. I COMMAND THEE!
While we're at it, I guess I should also command that everyone out there not HO, gang, vultch, pick, run, horde, fly too fast, turn too hard or fly too high.
Wow! I feel godlike now just like you guys! The power I have now is incredible! I see now why you do it and how great it feels to be so uber just through the power of my personality! I can't thank you so much for helping me see the light and the error of my ways.
Sounds pretty dumb right? Yup. That's exactly how you guys sound when we read your posts on stuff like this. Make all the silly little rules you want to try to get people to fly the way you think they should. It'll never work. You don't have that power. Never did. Never will.
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I'll just save the rest for later.
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It's not about power over players, it's about Respect and Respecting how others are playing, i can't tell you how many players i have Respect for, to many to name and i know i would never clear there 12, ill sit back and record there fight and learn from it, maybe give a shout to let them know I'm close, but i always get the "thanks I'm OK" so I'll hang around to make sure he don't get jumped, SkyRock wields no power over players ( nice story thou) i can tell you he's very much Respected by players, far as I'm concerned the whole MoA is by alot of players and squads, like i said theres alot of people i Respect simply because of how they act and the Respect they show, THAT is something we as longtime players need to teach the new players.
So please don't clear my 12 if i need help I'll ask :)
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Did you know someone in your sqaud doesnt like their 12 o clock cleared? I bet you ask him before you jump in his fight....why not ask before you jump in on anyones fight?
As for the person im talking about Ill gie you a clue........He takes bong rips on vox :rofl
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You could have saved yourself a lot of typing and just typed that instead.
Is this how you are in real life when you know there's a problem or bad situation that could maybe not be completely solved but possibly improved with a little communication and effort? Are you the first one to say "it won't work, we shouldn't ever try. We can't do it,"?
He could have saved the time, but I think he was trying to make a point: "you sound stupid when you tell someone to fly the way you wish them to, assuming you have the right to do so based on time spent flying in a cartoon combat simulator". Thats just a rough guess, and not an exact translation. I agree with the sentiment, if not the means of conveying it.
Again, in a rough translation into plain english: he's not saying that it won't work, and its not worth trying, what he's saying is that "the harder you try to make uncooperative newbs listen to you on the grounds that you are better than them, the less they will listen.
BTW, fixed the post for you.
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Their incessant demands to "fly right" (and "right" is how "they" say it is) gets old very fast and in my view is uncalled for - abusive and disrespectful of other peoples rights. Their line of discussion smacks of "1984" imhv. I'd
Truer words never spoken - I too am at a complete loss as to where these people come up with all these rules for a simulatoin of something that had NO rules - War!! It goes on and on and on......mainly from what I've dubbed the Circle Fight Mafia ( in the squad it's known as the Turntard Bullies) who seem to be trying to force everyone to fly their particular style of play.
Not a true statement. Who said it was a "rule" its a suggestion. And we know you like to clear friendlies 12 by the way you fly. Go ahead. Your claim is no different in the above statement. it is just the opposing view. YOU just made a rule that you want us to follow and that is there are No rules. By the way I don't believe you that there were "no rules". If the killshooter was on it would make an obvious rule. The rule in WWII was you fly in my bullet stream and you going to get shot up. The original point was don't fly into my bullet stream, the point would not have to be made if the killshooter was off because you would be the one dieing. And you would probally say since there were "no rules" in WWII I can shoot my own guys down also.
AH we are supposed to have respect for " other people rights" ah that is what is being said, yet we are being specific not some sloppy overgeneralization. Doesn't other peoples rights include don't clear my 12.
Blooz you are overgeneralizing also.You are the one that said Never Always or Everyone. The point is to voice our opinion about what we don't like. IT is my 12 o'clock not everyones 12 o'clock. And the point isn't to stop everyone because we know there will be players like you. But i helps the over all game play if more players try to raise the overall gameplay.
you are all stupid for trying to make anything better. You shouldn't even try. It will never work
Here you go again with "anything" and "never" sloppy sloppy communication style. I cant imagine what you internal dialogue must be like.
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He could have saved the time, but I think he was trying to make a point: "you sound stupid when you tell someone to fly the way you wish them to, assuming you have the right to do so based on time spent flying in a cartoon combat simulator". Thats just a rough guess, and not an exact translation. I agree with the sentiment, if not the means of conveying it.
Again, in a rough translation into plain english: he's not saying that it won't work, and its not worth trying, what he's saying is that "the harder you try to make uncooperative newbs listen to you on the grounds that you are better than them, the less they will listen.
BTW, fixed the post for you.
ah that is NOT what he said He plainly stated the opposite.
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You are aware of the fact that is an edited post, correct? Perhaps I'm being thick (sorry, kinda sick lately, not feeling my best), but I don't see where in the un-edited post he said that.
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I too am at a complete loss as to where these people come up with all these rules for a simulatoin of something that had NO rules - War!!
So what were the Geneva Conventions, war tribunals and rules of engagement all about then?
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All of you defenders always jump to that "they want us to play their way!" crap. Nobody is telling ANYBODY to play their way. What most of us suggest is a little honor, or communication. If some people read it and say "hmmmm that might be a cool way to play", is their anything wrong with that? If you wish to clear someones 12, HO on every merge and so on go ahead, it's your $15. Some of us hope that one day that kind of play will be in the minority instead of the majority.
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He could have saved the time, but I think he was trying to make a point: "you sound stupid when you tell someone to fly the way you wish them to, assuming you have the right to do so based on time spent flying in a cartoon combat simulator". Thats just a rough guess, and not an exact translation. I agree with the sentiment, if not the means of conveying it.
I think you're partly right, but suspect I'm partly right in my impression of his attitude as well. I know he's trying to say "you guys shouldn't be whining and trying to tell others how to fly," and to an extent he's right... we all have better things to worry about really. But as a person who just 10 months ago was a totally green newb, I think I can say that any and all guidance from those who have been around a while is appreciated by those whom are new. The OP wasn't being an arse. Maybe only 5% of the "newbs" who read the "hint hint, here's a list of things to keep in mind if you want people not to despise your presence" list will take it to heart. But to me that's a 5% improvement over where we could have been. Even if he or you feel it's a lot of whining and we "look stupid" for trying to instill a little bit of good gamesmanship into whomever will listen, if it even gets one player to think twice about doing something crappy, I say it is worth it. Here's a hint... if you don't agree, don't open the thread. and if you do open the thread and don't agree..... quit reading and hit the little red "x" on the upper right corner. :)
Again, in a rough translation into plain english: he's not saying that it won't work, and its not worth trying, what he's saying is that "the harder you try to make uncooperative newbs listen to you on the grounds that you are better than them, the less they will listen.
No one said we're better than anybody, but there is a better way to conduct oneself. I disagree that calling out a person will automatically cause that person to only behave worse, and a lot of other guys here disagree as well.... because in many cases it is why we are the way we are.
And I'm not sure if that was supposed to be a comma there.... but whatever. :rolleyes:
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you are all stupid for trying to make anything better. You shouldn't even try. It will never work
Here you go again with "anything" and "never" sloppy sloppy communication style. I cant imagine what you internal dialogue must be like.
Those we my words Sonic, not his. I was being sarcastic in my interpretation of his comments. But I stand behind my version as being his true feelings. :P
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Newbs dont listen to this dweebery. Pure silliness.
I don't need my 12:00 cleared>>>> plain and simple... Its rude . And a few more things will were on the subject.
If you cant communicate on vox or 200 or country and your getting your butt kicked ina a 1v1 I'm not going to presume U need help. If you ask I will bounce the con and let u reengage..
If I'm 1v1 DONT EVEN ASK> I would rather learn something and finish the fight .Live or die.
If i get killed THEN its your turn.
I have been very nice about names i dont recognize doing it... If i see your name more than twice you are going to get an ear full from me.
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LOL I was winging with Firedrgn one night when some dweeb flys past two other cons on his six to clear his 12 O'clock. I can still hear him on local channel. " I don't need my 12 cleared what I need is my six cleared" :rofl
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Those we my words Sonic, not his. I was being sarcastic in my interpretation of his comments. But I stand behind my version as being his true feelings. :P
oops srry there
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I know he's trying to say "you guys shouldn't be whining and trying to tell others how to fly"
Really?
For the new players...
If you can kill the guy I'm on faster than me go ahead.
I'll salute you and carry on the mission.
Keep up the good work!
It sounds to me like he absolutely advocates jumping into someone elses fight with no regard for his team mates.
How you get "you guys shouldn't be whining and trying to tell others how to fly" out of that I'm not sure.
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I've flown towards a 1v1 fight several times only to have the friendly tell me "It's ok I got this one" so I backed off...... only to be killed by the guy he was supposed to be taking care of either while landing or engaging another con afterwards.
I don't call any one a kill stealer. If they could get the kill before me it's because they were faster, a better shot, in a better position or, a better pilot than me.
It's no problem at all so long as they don't park themselves on the hub of my prop doing it.
If the con is still flying he's fair game as far as I'm concerned. Everything else is just useless panzy whining!
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How you get "you guys shouldn't be whining and trying to tell others how to fly" out of that I'm not sure.
Sounds pretty dumb right? Yup. That's exactly how you guys sound when we read your posts on stuff like this. Make all the silly little rules you want to try to get people to fly the way you think they should. It'll never work. You don't have that power. Never did. Never will.
perhaps you missed that part?
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I think you're partly right, but suspect I'm partly right in my impression of his attitude as well. I know he's trying to say "you guys shouldn't be whining and trying to tell others how to fly," and to an extent he's right... we all have better things to worry about really. But as a person who just 10 months ago was a totally green newb, I think I can say that any and all guidance from those who have been around a while is appreciated by those whom are new. The OP wasn't being an arse. Maybe only 5% of the "newbs" who read the "hint hint, here's a list of things to keep in mind if you want people not to despise your presence" list will take it to heart. But to me that's a 5% improvement over where we could have been. Even if he or you feel it's a lot of whining and we "look stupid" for trying to instill a little bit of good gamesmanship into whomever will listen, if it even gets one player to think twice about doing something crappy, I say it is worth it.
No one said we're better than anybody, but there is a better way to conduct oneself. I disagree that calling out a person will automatically cause that person to only behave worse, and a lot of other guys here disagree as well.... because in many cases it is why we are the way we are.
I by no means feel that way, you misunderstand me. All I'm saying is that people look stupid when they act as if they have the right to give orders, based soley on time spen in a video game. I mean come on, it IS a game. It doesn't even guarentee you would be a good pilot in real life.
As to you disagreeing with my 'quote' about the uncooperative newb,
It really applies only to newbs who ARE uncooperative. I remember this guy whos name was just a bunch of numbers, and all he did was whine, and complain when people politely asked him to stop HO'ing and kill stealing. And when some people TOLD him to stop on the grounds that they haplayed longer, and were therfore better, he just got pissed and wouldn't shut up.
Eagle, I don't know about others, but I don't really get my oppinion that more expirenced players look stupid when the ORDER others to fly like them from that post. I'm fine with asking, but giving orders based on the grounds that you spent more time online makes you look stupid.
Same with people who say "thanks for the check 6 guys" (incase you cant tell, they were sarcastic when talking). You are responsible for YOUR 6, not mine, just as I'm not responsible for yours.
It gets annoying when orders and complaints from unreasonable expectations start flying around on VOX and on country text.
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Where do you guys find all these rules?
I first started online flight sims in the late 80's with Airwarrior on GEnie. It had simple black and white wireframe graphics, and cost a arm & a leg to play. Yes we did alot of 1 vs. 1 fighting.... not because we wanted to. Most nights there was to few of us online to do anything but that. We dreamed of the day that we would have 100's of players online, tons of planes, tanks, ships that moved, large maps to conquer, and we wanted to play WAR!
As the games got better, more "n00bs" came, and the rule became, if you're looking for a one on one don't look for it in the Main Arenas, in AW we jump into "Dueling mode" other sims you go to the Dueling Arenas. That's what they are for...... and called "Dueling Arena". Is it bad form to fly into someones line of fire?... yes. If i am flying along and see two planes in a fight and it looks look the guy on my side is winning. Do I jump in? maybe not. If it looks like he is not winning? Do I jump in? If I look around and see no "bad guys" that may jump me, then odd are yes.
Do I care if they wanted my help?....... not at all, we are in the main Arena.
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It started way before WWII.. even before the war between the states.
There are those with class and those without. It is up to each to decide where they fall.
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I by no means feel that way, you misunderstand me. All I'm saying is that people look stupid when they act as if they have the right to give orders, based soley on time spen in a video game. I mean come on, it IS a game. It doesn't even guarentee you would be a good pilot in real life.
I don't think the purpose of this thread was to give anyone "orders." My interjections certainly weren't meant that way, and I don't see any one single post here ordering anyone to behave in any manner. What I do see are suggestions and recommendations.
As to you disagreeing with my 'quote' about the uncooperative newb,
It really applies only to newbs who ARE uncooperative. I remember this guy whos name was just a bunch of numbers, and all he did was whine, and complain when people politely asked him to stop HO'ing and kill stealing. And when some people TOLD him to stop on the grounds that they haplayed longer, and were therfore better, he just got pissed and wouldn't shut up.
Some you will never reach, for sure. But it's worth it for those that you do.
Eagle, I don't know about others, but I don't really get my oppinion that more expirenced players look stupid when the ORDER others to fly like them from that post. I'm fine with asking, but giving orders based on the grounds that you spent more time online makes you look stupid.
Same with people who say "thanks for the check 6 guys" (incase you cant tell, they were sarcastic when talking). You are responsible for YOUR 6, not mine, just as I'm not responsible for yours.
It gets annoying when orders and complaints from unreasonable expectations start flying around on VOX and on country text.
Agreed 100%. Orders are one thing. Help and assistance in "seeing the light" are different altogether. :)
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I'm not implying that anyone ordered anyone in this thread, all I'm saying is that while I don't feel that way about suggestions and discussions (as long as they're not in the game), I do feel that ordering people makes you look stupid. I did this to avoid making a clarifying post, but I see now that by not clearly explaining what I meant, I just shot myself in the foot along those lines.
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Here is my take on air combat "participation" by others:
If 1 is engaging 1, observe but do not interfere.
Only after friendly has been shot down can you engage.
If 1 is engaging 2, take bead on the "outside interference", do not engage the same enemy!
If friendly has enmy on tail, contact to state your intention on engaging.
If you have 2 or 3 friendlies on an enmy, DO NOT THINK ABOUT ENGAGING! I have seen way too many people gang up on someone, (20 to 1), just to fight over the kill.
Always call your kills if possible. After a kill has been called, leave the downed plane alone! You are wasting bullets and making enemies by trying to steal a kill.
As I said, these are a few of my rules I go by.
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Here is my take on air combat "participation" by others:
If 1 is engaging 1, observe but do not interfere.
Only after friendly has been shot down can you engage.
If 1 is engaging 2, take bead on the "outside interference", do not engage the same enemy!
If friendly has enmy on tail, contact to state your intention on engaging.
If you have 2 or 3 friendlies on an enmy, DO NOT THINK ABOUT ENGAGING! I have seen way too many people gang up on someone, (20 to 1), just to fight over the kill.
Always call your kills if possible. After a kill has been called, leave the downed plane alone! You are wasting bullets and making enemies by trying to steal a kill.
As I said, these are a few of my rules I go by.
Agreed 110%. The only thing I would add is "massive furball scenerio: Multiple cons and multiple friendlies" (such as in base defense where there are lots of defenders and lots of bad guys all cramming themselves into that same 10 cubic feet of airspace) - ALL red icons are fair game.
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Why are you and blooz so intent on proving that what we say is worthless? What is your problem with people trying to put out something positive?
There is NOTHING confusing about what we are saying...you just can't or don't want to understand.
I think you are just a pessimist who would rather come up with 100 reasons why something can't be done instead one GOOD reason why it can be done.
If we "sway some to the path of righteousness" then it will be well worth it. Because we can't save them all is not a reason not to save some of them.
Did not say it was worthless. I even agreed you will sway some. I was just saying if you have a good fight and someone else swoops in and "steals" the kill its still a good fight. Some of you, as I said before say its all about the fight but then complain when some one steals your kill that's confusing.
I am being REALISTIC not PESSIMISTIC.
I am just get tired of posts from guys who think they hold the AH bible and that gives them the right to pass judgment on others. By all means carry on your crusade to save the unwashed masses of AH.
IMO its all fair and if you kill shoot yourself its your own fault.
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IMO its all fair and if you kill shoot yourself its your own fault.
Well, you were making sense, then it just sounded like you have a pre-concieved notion of some of the bible carrying, premadonna sticks and oppose them simply on the basis you can't control your envy of their status... to the point of making statements like the one quoted here... same as BendoverBlooz.. just wrong on all fronts... how can you justify blaming a fella, if he worked to get on a guys 6, then as he started to shoot the fella, a friendly dipped down from his perch to shamelessly steal the kill..and in the process, the theif kills his own teamate? Communicating that you are going to dip down and steal the kill, would be much more courteous....being that the theif at least allows the fighter the chance to avoid KS. Seems anyone would agree that communicating to a friendly what your intentions are when entering his 1 vs 1, would be the best way to go about it... as far as the team goes... Communication between friendlies in air combat is a very crucial part of overall SA.... yet, you and bendover seem to be making this about Top Dogs ordering around and looking down their noses at Low Dogs.... what gives?
Ankle-humping should be left to the MA's and not used as an debate strategy. :aok
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Well, you were making sense, then it just sounded like you have a pre-concieved notion of some of the bible carrying, premadonna sticks and oppose them simply on the basis you can't control your envy of their status... to the point of making statements like the one quoted here... same as BendoverBlooz.. just wrong on all fronts... how can you justify blaming a fella, if he worked to get on a guys 6, then as he started to shoot the fella, a friendly dipped down from his perch to shamelessly steal the kill..and in the process, the theif kills his own teamate? Communicating that you are going to dip down and steal the kill, would be much more courteous....being that the theif at least allows the fighter the chance to avoid KS. Seems anyone would agree that communicating to a friendly what your intentions are when entering his 1 vs 1, would be the best way to go about it... as far as the team goes... Communication between friendlies in air combat is a very crucial part of overall SA.... yet, you and bendover seem to be making this about Top Dogs ordering around and looking down their noses at Low Dogs.... what gives?
Ankle-humping should be left to the MA's and not used as an debate strategy. :aok
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When someone disagrees with you its not ankle humping. When you kill shoot yourself it is your fault. And its how you write something that makes it seem like your talking down to people.
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Its your own fault that someone dives in front of you? The only reason you can even attempt to throw that slop on us is because killshooter is turned on. The guy taking the bullets should be the one going to the tower.
<S> killshooter is on to babysit those that would purposely shoot their own guys.
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yeah, I'm with FireDrgn. There's no denying that some newbs would attempt to shoot down a friendly that took what they saw as "their kill" when they had no hope of landing a single hit.
I do agree that if you killshoot yourself, its your fault. Same as its your fault you got shot down, its not someone elses for not getting the spit off your 6, it yours for getting into a turn fight with a spit while in a 190D. While its not your fault if some newb dives infront of you, it is your fault if you keep firing with him infront of you. A few pings from .50's shouldn't be enough to tower yourself, so that means you have time to see his green icon, and take your finger off the triger.
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I heard once, "When they start paying my $15 bucks a month, they can advise me how to play, but they still aren't going to TELL me how to play." :rofl
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I heard once, "When they start paying my $15 bucks a month, they can advise me how to play, but they still aren't going to TELL me how to play." :rofl
+1 :salute
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Most that others have done is just
"Offer up what would be good game ethics........NOONE has said "YOU MUST FLY LIKE THIS OR YOU WILL BE SLAPPED WITH A SMELLY FISH"
it is only a few of you that assume everytime someone who is possibly above you in skill level makes a post, you jump at the chance to post inaccurate statements claiming thos people are making post or are in the game saying " The Only Way To Fly/Play The Game Is My Way!!!" when actually TRUTH BE KNOWN.......that is 180 degrees opposite direction of what they are actally offering advice or suggestions on.......
which is fly with a little bit of dignity, fly with a little bit of respect for your team mates, fly to have fun at the same time not destroying the fun of your team mates & opponents.....
is it really that hard to grasp the concept of what Peole are suggesting? Recommending? Advicing?
if some of you could just once get of your damn soap box (in this forum) about thinking, who you might have a grudge against because they might be difficult to beat for "you", and realize noone is saying "Fight My Way Or Else" but infact are merely trying to improve game play for EVERYONE by suggesting people realize the bad effects of their actions and make a change for the better of the Community......
that is all, nothing more, nothing less........... that simple......
( my apologys for going on a tangent )........ some people get it rather later than sooner......and some people never get it at all and soon get so ill about it it makes them completely implode with hatred and leave the game, or come back to just implode again :D.........
lol **** happens
* If You Keep On Doing What Ya Doing.....You Gonna Keep On Getting What Ya Getting!!!
have fun everyone, to each their own.........
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Most that others have done is just
"Offer up what would be good game ethics........NOONE has said "YOU MUST FLY LIKE THIS OR YOU WILL BE SLAPPED WITH A SMELLY FISH"
it is only a few of you that assume everytime someone who is possibly above you in skill level makes a post, you jump at the chance to post inaccurate statements claiming thos people are making post or are in the game saying " The Only Way To Fly/Play The Game Is My Way!!!" when actually TRUTH BE KNOWN.......that is 180 degrees opposite direction of what they are actally offering advice or suggestions on.......
which is fly with a little bit of dignity, fly with a little bit of respect for your team mates, fly to have fun at the same time not destroying the fun of your team mates & opponents.....
is it really that hard to grasp the concept of what Peole are suggesting? Recommending? Advicing?
if some of you could just once get of your damn soap box (in this forum) about thinking, who you might have a grudge against because they might be difficult to beat for "you", and realize noone is saying "Fight My Way Or Else" but infact are merely trying to improve game play for EVERYONE by suggesting people realize the bad effects of their actions and make a change for the better of the Community......
that is all, nothing more, nothing less........... that simple......
( my apologys for going on a tangent )........ some people get it rather later than sooner......and some people never get it at all and soon get so ill about it it makes them completely implode with hatred and leave the game, or come back to just implode again :D.........
lol **** happens
* If You Keep On Doing What Ya Doing.....You Gonna Keep On Getting What Ya Getting!!!
have fun everyone, to each their own.........
TC for Aces High Presidente?
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Very well put :salute
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Has the woo woo killshooter training film been posted yet? I don't want to repost it if it has. :t
Drex
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I just wonder, what would the "go get a better SA" crowd say, if kill shooter was off when they jumped in front of my guns. No, not asking to turn it off, just wondering what would they say :)
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Where do you guys find all these rules?
Given the remainder of your post, I think the more apt question is "When did you miss them?"
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when I joined ah i never signed up an agreement to obey any rules other than the bb and dont say bad words. It just says pay 15 bucks you play. as a courtesy to other people I will ask if it is 1v1, but If I see the red plane taking the upper hand I will shoot him down and say I am sorry later, unless the green plane says he needs no help then I'll watchi him die, then I'll kill the red plane. when there's more than 1v1 I'll shoot any red plane that I see. you dont like it, guess what I dont like the planes that fly 10k above the furball and just pick either and I dont like ponies and 190's running away from a fite either.. and that is basically too bad, this has been discussed so many times and it wont change. sorry if somebody jumping in takes a kill you fill you have earned and it messes up your score. next time shoot faster :devil.
some people forget that a kill is not when the system says you got a kill, but when you know that the plane going down is flame is your kill. game is about fun, not score. you want to increase your score you are more than welcome to follow me and take all my kills to make up for the ones other people "stole" from you, It wont matter to me :bolt:
semp
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Has the woo woo killshooter training film been posted yet? I don't want to repost it if it has. :t
Drex
Was good seeing you the other night Senor Drex. :rock
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I've flown towards a 1v1 fight several times only to have the friendly tell me "It's ok I got this one" so I backed off...... only to be killed by the guy he was supposed to be taking care of either while landing or engaging another con afterwards.
Here is a couple of tips for ya ...
Orbit above the fight (it's called high cover) and if the friendly gets killed ... swoop down and send the bad guy to the tower. Assuming that the friendly is going to win was your mistake along with taking your eye off the bad guy.
When landing ... take a good look around (360 degrees) to see if there are any bad guys in the area ... if there are, then don't try to land.
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Here is a couple of tips for ya ...
Orbit above the fight (it's called high cover) and if the friendly gets killed ... swoop down and send the bad guy to the tower. Assuming that the friendly is going to win was your mistake along with taking your eye off the bad guy.
When landing ... take a good look around (360 degrees) to see if there are any bad guys in the area ... if there are, then don't try to land.
Yep.
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.... sorry if somebody jumping in takes a kill you fill you have earned and it messes up your score. next time shoot faster :devil.
semp
Simple choice on the one who jumps in.... you can take the high road or the low road. No written rule.
You can hold the door open for a lady or not. No written rule.
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Simple choice on the one who jumps in.... you can take the high road or the low road. No written rule.
You can hold the door open for a lady or not. No written rule.
I don;t care what you say, YOU are NOT a lady :eek:
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Has the woo woo killshooter training film been posted yet? I don't want to repost it if it has. :t
Drex
I'll pay for your month. Get your butt in here:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,282007.0.html
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I don;t care what you say, YOU are NOT a lady :eek:
:rofl :neener:
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JOKER pulled this move on me a couple time before. So its not just the noobs that do it. It's also the people that 'think' their king of the game.
Its one of the reasons i rarely fly a fighter anymore.
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JOKER pulled this move on me a couple time before. So its not just the noobs that do it. It's also the people that 'think' their king of the game.
Its one of the reasons i rarely fly a fighter anymore.
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"...but then who am I eh!!"
Good question. Sad commentary.
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:rofl :neener:
Do you have proof? NO! My Eyes, My eyes! :bolt:
seriously, I don't see this situation often. Most of the fights are near hair balls and you're glad someone shot the bandit. When you're protecting your base and there 5 guys on the same single con and no one's B-tching what's the problem? Sorry, I guess if I was getting ready to get crowned "King Fighter Jock" I might get bent about someone stealing my 5,000th expert kill. As it is I'm usually glad for the help. I just don't get it why there so much whining. If someone makes you mad talk to them alone 1:1, If they don't listen, or smart arse you, stay away & don't check 6 them, don't clear their 6, don't talk to them. Easy...no stress, no getting all worked up. :rock
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People given a chance,will annoy people.This whole game is about shooting people,and the maker of this game wants people pissed off at each other.New guys,old guys,they will all steal kills,fly in front of your plane,and just make a nuisance of themselves.Heck a while back,I had a guy yell at me for checking his 6!Picking is another subject that needs addressed.Pick a noob and they generally don't gripe much.Pick an expertern and hell hath no fury to match their wrath.Attacking bombers,always let the new guy soak up the lead,and finish the buff when the noob goes down.There is an extremely long list of annoyances,but its all part of the game.
ID
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People given a chance,will annoy people.This whole game is about shooting people,and the maker of this game wants people pissed off at each other.New guys,old guys,they will all steal kills,fly in front of your plane,and just make a nuisance of themselves.Heck a while back,I had a guy yell at me for checking his 6!Picking is another subject that needs addressed.Pick a noob and they generally don't gripe much.Pick an expertern and hell hath no fury to match their wrath.Attacking bombers,always let the new guy soak up the lead,and finish the buff when the noob goes down.There is an extremely long list of annoyances,but its all part of the game.
ID
I get annoyed if someone shoots my blender.
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People given a chance,will annoy people.
As an absolute statement, I disagree with this, personally.
I can not speak for *everyone* but I, in addition to many others, do not actively seek, or take advantage of, opportunities to "annoy" other players in the game.
While AH is competition-based, that spirit of competition need not manifest itself in such a juvenile fashion.
Generally, I find that those who act in accordance with your statement are lacking balance in some other area.
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As an absolute statement, I disagree with this, personally.
I can not speak for *everyone* but I, in addition to many others, do not actively seek, or take advantage of, opportunities to "annoy" other players in the game.
While AH is competition-based, that spirit of competition need not manifest itself in such a juvenile fashion.
Generally, I find that those who act in accordance with your statement are lacking balance in some other area.
I agree, I'm not here to piss anyone off. I'm here to have some fun and get in a few good fights.
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I was told by one of the guys that he only played to piss other people off and the more he pissed someone of the more fun it was for him.
I understand its their $15 a month but really why play for that reason?
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They're called "griefers" and they exist for no other purpose than to find ways to irritate people by doing stupid crap in MMP games. Same crap goes on in WOW, same crap went on in Ultima Online, just a bunch of tards that were picked on as children who find their balls in the anonymity of the online setting. None of these turds would ever do 90% of the crap they do if you were sitting in the same room with them. A close cousin is the "Internet Toughguy".
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:aok :aok :aok
Truer words never spoken - I too am at a complete loss as to where these people come up with all these rules for a simulatoin of something that had NO rules - War!! It goes on and on and on......mainly from what I've dubbed the Circle Fight Mafia ( in the squad it's known as the Turntard Bullies) who seem to be trying to force everyone to fly their particular style of play.
Their incessant demands to "fly right" (and "right" is how "they" say it is) gets old very fast and in my view is uncalled for - abusive and disrespectful of other peoples rights. Their line of discussion smacks of "1984" imhv. I'd hazard a guess by their tone/comments in the numerous similar threads that they all voted democrat/left. :rofl
As far as I'm concerned (and I suspect many people who remain silent) ... everyone has the right to play this game as they see fit as long as they are not hacking it.
...but then who am I eh!!
....cheers eh!! :D
My question for you is this - If everyone upped the fastest most powerful plane and flew around Ho'ing every plane they saw , showing no respect for any form of air combat or ACM or other players - would the game be at all worth playing - would it survive ? Would anyone want to play it ?
The people you are referring to , in most cases , have enjoyed the game for quite some time and don't want to see it deteriorate into some sort of adolescent video game fest. No, they can't "tell" anyone how to play the game , but they could possibly offer some suggestions based on their experience to now.
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My question for you is this - If everyone upped the fastest most powerful plane and flew around Ho'ing every plane they saw , showing no respect for any form of air combat or ACM or other players - would the game be at all worth playing - would it survive ? Would anyone want to play it ?
The people you are referring to , in most cases , have enjoyed the game for quite some time and don't want to see it deteriorate into some sort of adolescent video game fest. No, they can't "tell" anyone how to play the game , but they could possibly offer some suggestions based on their experience to now.
I just spent the afternoon playing warbirds, where wrecked came over from not long ago, it seems they don't give a watermelon there, they we're hoin and watermelon all day. Give these guys some time and it will all sort itself out, because seriously this is the only party in town.
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FYI Wreked pretty much flies the 190a8 with 100% fuel and a drop tank nearly every sortie ...
so once again assumptions and bias towards people who are saying what Wrecked is trying to tell people is skewing some peoples interpretation of his message.
IMO
part of being a good pilot is not allowing people to kill you so if you are angry about being HOd by a clearly inferior player who knows nothing about ACM or whatever, i suggest you remember that you gave up the shot.
if you had not given up the shot, you would not be complaining about HO's
My question for you is this - If everyone upped the fastest most powerful plane and flew around Ho'ing every plane they saw , showing no respect for any form of air combat or ACM or other players - would the game be at all worth playing - would it survive ? Would anyone want to play it ?
The people you are referring to , in most cases , have enjoyed the game for quite some time and don't want to see it deteriorate into some sort of adolescent video game fest. No, they can't "tell" anyone how to play the game , but they could possibly offer some suggestions based on their experience to now.
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i doubt that an afternoon in AH would show it in it's best light either ...
what are you doing monday evening eastern?
or sunday night if you can find a slot for the s3
I just spent the afternoon playing warbirds, where wrecked came over from not long ago, it seems they don't give a watermelon there, they we're hoin and watermelon all day. Give these guys some time and it will all sort itself out, because seriously this is the only party in town.
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Wreked and Thorsim,
A little golfing analogy - I like golf
You're a fresh faced noob golf professional standing on the tee with Ernie Els , and you delberately rip the velcro on your glove in the middle of his backswing every time he swings . When he complains do you explain to him that there's nothing in the rules of golf preventing you from doing that , and he should just put up with it from now on, as you will be playing the game how you want to play it.
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another assumption ...
we are not fresh faced noobs ...
we do not work for the ho
we do not fly FMs that lend themselves to mindless, butt sniffing, tail chases
when a shot is presented to us we take it ...
we too get annoyed with the HOs
however we are not here suggesting that everyone who does not fly as we do sucks, or doesn't know anything about anything.
are we ?
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t
Wreked and Thorsim,
A little golfing analogy - I like golf
You're a fresh faced noob golf professional standing on the tee with Ernie Els , and you delberately rip the velcro on your glove in the middle of his backswing every time he swings . When he complains do you explain to him that there's nothing in the rules of golf preventing you from doing that , and he should just put up with it from now on, as you will be playing the game how you want to play it.
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Sorry Thor but S3 is during a monday afternoon for me otherwise I would have been involved years ago.
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Thorsim
I'm not talking about anyone's plane choices or flying style (where did I say anything about that ?) - each to their own, Bnz, E-fight , turnfight , whatever grabs you. Idgaf. My only advice/plea to new players would be to learn some ACM and how to apply it, and that if you show some respect to other players and the "game" they are playing , you might get some back.
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Sorry Thor but S3 is during a monday afternoon for me otherwise I would have been involved years ago.
that is too bad they really are well done ... what time do you fly mostly?
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Thorsim
I'm not talking about anyone's plane choices or flying style (where did I say anything about that ?) - each to their own, Bnz, E-fight , turnfight , whatever grabs you. Idgaf. My only advice/plea to new players would be to learn some ACM and how to apply it, and that if you show some respect to other players and the "game" they are playing , you might get some back.
i tend to agree however ...
i am sorry but i know wrecked and i would be surprised if any lack of respect you may have gleamed from him is not something he is returning and unlike me it is probably far less than equal measure ...
i do not intend to offend and i believe we have met in the arenas and i have found you to be a good and pleasant opponent, so these comments are probably not best included in an exchange with you so please do not take any of this personally ...
we come here as event focused players used to teamwork in an event focused squad and that type of play in the MAs here tends to generate a fair amount of hostility. for example when a teammate appears to be in trouble we are prone to help, to our amazement we were criticized and ridiculed for that. it generates ill will and since for us events are still our focus i do not see much change in our play style coming soon. now we won't be hostile to people, we don't hold grudges overlong, and bridges can always be rebuilt, for example i did some fighting with BnZ and a bunch of other players in the Bulge event to all our benefits. now BnZ and i have disagreed frequently on these boards yet in the event to our credit we worked together without reservation and i think that helped our relationship everywhere else.
our guys are starting to get used to asking if someone is in need of help when they are not pretty sure about it, however we will tend to fly together and that will not likely change. that is because that is how we approach the games, we do not insist that everyone flies like that, and we don't usually respond to every criticism, but i can't expect my squad to be either completely silent in the face of the hostility they attract for working in a focused manner geared towards team and squad event success, or expect them to be terribly impressed with those who do not use teamwork as part of their fighting style and then harass those who do when they loose.
so when a team mate is in trouble we will help as my guys are trained that keeping you buddy alive is much more important than any perceived etiquette that a minority is trying to force on the rest of us, and that includes HOs if that is available.
i am sorry if that does not play into the lone wolf attitudes of some, but i did notice a well populated dueling arena available to those who wish to explore personal air combat.
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no offense meant
t
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You say rude. I say teamwork.
It all depends on you're perspective. I'm not so full of myself to think it's "kill stealing". If you can kill the guy faster than me, go for it! There's plenty of reds to go around for everybody.
It's going to happen so why not just accept it as a positive thing?
This sentiment has likely already been expressed in these dozen pages, but if I've invested a bunch of time and effort into putting some poor slob in a position that I might thwack him (not talking about an 'emergency'--i.e. saving cv, etc)...having some johnny-come-lately in his Lgay swoop in and pop my quarry REALLY hacks me off. It is the equivalent stealing someone's work. And no...it is NOT enough for me to know the guy is dead. (Well...unless it's Falcnwng, of course :D)
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This sentiment has likely already been expressed in these dozen pages, but if I've invested a bunch of time and effort into putting some poor slob in a position that I might thwack him (not talking about an 'emergency'--i.e. saving cv, etc)...having some johnny-come-lately in his Lgay swoop in and pop my quarry REALLY hacks me off. It is the equivalent stealing someone's work. And no...it is NOT enough for me to know the guy is dead. (Well...unless it's Falcnwng, of course :D)
You can't control how someone else flies. You can control how you fly and shoot. If someone gets between you and your target (and it will happen someday) either by accident, trying to help or on purpose, all you can do is keep cool, don't hit the "friend" with bullets and see how things turn out. If you get hot headed and continue to press your attack you've got a great chance of killshooting yourself and starting a thread just like this one to blame the other guy instead of blaming yourself for killshooting yourself.
I'd rather have people working together to kill the enemy rather than produce useless ettiquette rules that make people hesitate in a fight. You want your glorious 1 vs 1 go to the DA or TA. That's what it's for. Air combat is a team sport and in the MA's I'd rather see people helping each other kill the enemy rather than waiting to see what happens because they're afraid of breaking some silly made up "rule".
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I was told by one of the guys that he only played to piss other people off and the more he pissed someone of the more fun it was for him.
I understand its their $15 a month but really why play for that reason?
It's called "Sociopath". Indian proverb- "We have two wolves inside us. The one we feed becomes the strongest and will kill the weaker one. Don't feed the bad wolf!"
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Tactically speaking, you are more useful if you maintain your E and alertness in preparation to engage new incoming bandits than swooping in on a bandit whose demise is imminent. Also, you are less of a jerk.
There was this German chap who said pretty much the same thing, put it in something he called the "Dicta." I'm sure it's insignificant though, which is why nobody pays attention to 'em anyways. :bolt:
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You can't control how someone else flies. You can control how you fly and shoot. If someone gets between you and your target (and it will happen someday) either by accident, trying to help or on purpose, all you can do is keep cool, don't hit the "friend" with bullets and see how things turn out. If you get hot headed and continue to press your attack you've got a great chance of killshooting yourself and starting a thread just like this one to blame the other guy instead of blaming yourself for killshooting yourself.
I'd rather have people working together to kill the enemy rather than produce useless ettiquette rules that make people hesitate in a fight. You want your glorious 1 vs 1 go to the DA or TA. That's what it's for. Air combat is a team sport and in the MA's I'd rather see people helping each other kill the enemy rather than waiting to see what happens because they're afraid of breaking some silly made up "rule".
A wing pair dissecting an enemy plane can be a great thing to watch , 6 ppl diving from 10k on to a low con in the name of "teamwork" is not.
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A wing pair dissecting an enemy plane can be a great thing to watch , 6 ppl diving from 10k on to a low con in the name of "teamwork" is not.
Of course but you still see it all the time.
Common sense and tactics is a different story.
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another assumption ...
we are not fresh faced noobs ...
we do not work for the ho
we do not fly FMs that lend themselves to mindless, butt sniffing, tail chases
when a shot is presented to us we take it ...
we too get annoyed with the HOs
however we are not here suggesting that everyone who does not fly as we do sucks, or doesn't know anything about anything.
are we ?
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t
Some fly this game for the fights and competition... others just fly for the kill. Flying for the kill is much easier.
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How do you insist that it the guys fault that kill shot himself. What responsibility does the tard have? For the most part "those guys" can not even come close to getting the six or guns untill the guy u say is to blame reversed him. Their allways the ones that cant figure out how there getting vulched on the runway.
Boooooooooooo on your mentality.
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I just can't see you guys trying to impose another silly etiquette for something that not only happens infrequently but when it does happen, it's probably an accident.
It happens. Get over it.
Happens ALL THE TIME. Don't like it but just accept it as part of the game. Lets turn off killshooter :x
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My flying style puts me about 100-400 off someones plane when I am fighting them, I like to get really close for my shots. A bonus to this is not many people can get front of me and shoot my target down, the times I get my kill stolen is when someone either dives in and gets them on one pass or shoulder shoots for the kill.
Shoulder shooting pissing me off the most out of the two, because the person doing knows that I'm fighting the plane and they can basically careless about it. When this happens I forget about my target for a bit and focus on getting this "friendly" off my 6 and stop him from clearing my 12, the easiest way is to get him to killshoot himself. For me it is just as satisfying to killshoot some shoulder shooting kill stealing tard than it is to win that 15 minute long 1v1 that everyone looks for.
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How do you insist that it the guys fault that kill shot himself. What responsibility does the tard have? For the most part "those guys" can not even come close to getting the six or guns untill the guy u say is to blame reversed him. Their allways the ones that cant figure out how there getting vulched on the runway.
Boooooooooooo on your mentality.
One more time. Just for you.
I'm on an enemy. You swoop in and get between me and my target. I have a choice. I can continue to shoot hoping I don't hit you and killshoot myself or I can hold my fire, pull off and see how things go and continue the fight if need be. Which is smarter? I think the latter (that's the hold your fire and see how things go part).
I can't control what you're going to do. Tards do what tards do and you're not going to change that. What you can do is keep cool and look out for #1 (that's yourself, keeping a cool head and staying out of the tower).
Any easier to understand now?
Boo my mentality? I think you'd better check your own because you clearly don't get it.
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How do you insist that it the guys fault that kill shot himself. What responsibility does the tard have? For the most part "those guys" can not even come close to getting the six or guns untill the guy u say is to blame reversed him. Their allways the ones that cant figure out how there getting vulched on the runway.
Boooooooooooo on your mentality.
It's your trigger. You choose to pull it...or not.
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One more time. Just for you.
I'm on an enemy. You swoop in and get between me and my target. I have a choice. I can continue to shoot hoping I don't hit you and killshoot myself or I can hold my fire, pull off and see how things go and continue the fight if need be. Which is smarter? I think the latter (that's the hold your fire and see how things go part).
I can't control what you're going to do. Tards do what tards do and you're not going to change that. What you can do is keep cool and look out for #1 (that's yourself, keeping a cool head and staying out of the tower).
Any easier to understand now?
Boo my mentality? I think you'd better check your own because you clearly don't get it.
You guys are right. Next time you get T-boned going through a green light, remember it is your fault. It is your accelerator, you chose to press it. You should have used your head and stop at the green light and tulips the situation. Think, is the taxi going to stop just because his light is red? Hell no! Totally your fault for not using your head. BTW, get a better SA nube :rofl
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You guys are right. Next time you get T-boned going through a green light, remember it is your fault. It is your accelerator, you chose to press it. You should have used your head and stop at the green light and tulips the situation. Think, is the taxi going to stop just because his light is red? Hell no! Totally your fault for not using your head. BTW, get a better SA nube :rofl
DOH!! :D
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You guys are right. Next time you get T-boned going through a green light, remember it is your fault. It is your accelerator, you chose to press it. You should have used your head and stop at the green light and tulips the situation. Think, is the taxi going to stop just because his light is red? Hell no! Totally your fault for not using your head. BTW, get a better SA nube :rofl
:rofl :rofl
:aok
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You guys are right. Next time you get T-boned going through a green light, remember it is your fault. It is your accelerator, you chose to press it. You should have used your head and stop at the green light and tulips the situation. Think, is the taxi going to stop just because his light is red? Hell no! Totally your fault for not using your head. BTW, get a better SA nube :rofl
TOTAL FAIL!!! (with all due respect of course) :)
That which you refer to is REAL life and yes you CAN be killed - actually I make a habit of always double checking when going through a light - some absolute terrible drivers out there - :eek: - AND I've saved myself twice in the last year from some bozo running a light - go figure.
BUT here's my ponit : As we've been told repeatedly ad nauseum by the CircleFight Mafia....
NONE of this is REAL - it's just a cartoon.
You're not REALLY loosing a kill - NO ONE is being KILLED.
You're not REALLY killing yourself from shooting at 12 clearers. (killshooter) - if you want to be sure then next time stand up and see if you hurt anywhere or have any blood on you.
You're not REALLY crashing into the ground and blowing up - look around your room and see if there is any smoke or wreckage littering the floor.
The cartoon planes are FREE and you can get another cartoon one in an instant.
Now here is the BIGGEST FAIL that I see with some here.
Instead of actually doing something about it they just whine and bash others over the head about it. FAIL!!
Better to make an attempt to EDUCATE them instead of alienateing them - your choice.
THAT"S what many are referring to when they say "You just don't get it".
I believe you'll find many here with the view " change people minds not bash them over the head" actually agree with you (as I do) about how annoying this sort of game play is - but it goes with the concept of it being a air combat flight sim. One of lifes annoyances - suck it up. If you can't live with this and do not want to take them aside to educate them towards your style of flying them maybe the DA is a better place for you all where there seems to be a "set" of rules that make you happy. Once again your choice.
Not saying you in particualar - just saying. No one here is telling you how you have to play - just thowing out some alternatives - it's obvious your actions so far don't seem to work.
Can't hurt to try educating some of them - up to you sirs.
...cheers eh! :D
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My question for you is this - If everyone upped the fastest most powerful plane and flew around Ho'ing every plane they saw , showing no respect for any form of air combat or ACM or other players - would the game be at all worth playing - would it survive ? Would anyone want to play it ?
The people you are referring to , in most cases , have enjoyed the game for quite some time and don't want to see it deteriorate into some sort of adolescent video game fest. No, they can't "tell" anyone how to play the game , but they could possibly offer some suggestions based on their experience to now.
Then educate instead of the constant head bashing and whining - might actually do some good.
I tried AH last year for the 2-week(?) trial and left in disgust - nothing but petchulent adolescents who took offense when a "newbie" shot em down - most of them with 5-7+ years in the game - pretty disappointing.
But I gave it a second chance - detuned 200 - and I don't pay attention to the Mafia who can't see beyond their noses ( i do love yanking em tho lol). I fly this purely as an air combat sim (not that good tho) - others are welcome to fly any way they want - I'd never tell anyone how they should fly - I WILL comment on attitudes that are inapproriate tho.
I've noticed that you sir seem to be a pretty good stick - you do fly alot of high end machines - F6F/Spit16/F4u - so I guess I take that into account when weighing your comments and give them all due respect.
Let me know when you fly some dogs for 4-5 months straight and I suspect I'll have give your comments more wieght.
I fly exclusively FW190A8 - 100% fuel c/w DT. - WHY?? because it is a challenge.
Safe skies!
....cheers eh! :D
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Then educate instead of the constant head bashing and whining - might actually do some good.
I tried AH last year for the 2-week(?) trial and left in disgust - nothing but petchulent adolescents who took offense when a "newbie" shot em down - most of them with 5-7+ years in the game - pretty disappointing.
But I gave it a second chance - detuned 200 - and I don't pay attention to the Mafia who can't see beyond their noses ( i do love yanking em tho lol). I fly this purely as an air combat sim (not that good tho) - others are welcome to fly any way they want - I'd never tell anyone how they should fly - I WILL comment on attitudes that are inapproriate tho.
I've noticed that you sir seem to be a pretty good stick - you do fly alot of high end machines - F6F/Spit16/F4u - so I guess I take that into account when weighing your comments and give them all due respect.
Let me know when you fly some dogs for 4-5 months straight and I suspect I'll have give your comments more wieght.
I fly exclusively FW190A8 - 100% fuel c/w DT. - WHY?? because it is a challenge.
Safe skies!
....cheers eh! :D
Where am I bashing or whining ? I made a statement encouraging new players to learn some ACM and how to apply it.
Nice that you fly a "real man's" plane - good for you. Most people who fly it resort to a HO as their primary form of attack - I'm glad you don't. I happen to like navy planes , although I've recently switched to the 51 a little because I'm sick of never being able to catch anyone in the Hellcat. The 51 does an excellent job of running down 190's ;)
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Let me know when you fly some dogs for 4-5 months straight and I suspect I'll have give your comments more wieght.
..I...uh...I can attest that Redd flys the woofers very adroitly.....
Congrats on flying the A8 regularly. Next to the P40B, I consider the A8 to be the most difficult plane in AH2 to fly well (assuming that you neither pick nor HO).
- oldman
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Congrats on flying the A8 regularly. Next to the P40B, I consider the A8 to be the most difficult plane in AH2 to fly well (assuming that you neither pick nor HO).
- oldman
It would be pretty much impossible to fly the A8 in the MA and not rely on cherrypicking in one form or another to give you the bulk of you kills. It is not a plane capable of mixing it up with the sort of plane set seen in the MA these days. If you're into "survival" flying and buff hunting the a8 is not a bad choice , big cannons , reasonable speed for a quick egress , but I don't think I've ever seen anyone fly it as a "dogfighter" as such . Hmm maybe Nath might have in his heyday, he did some pretty freaky things in 109's and 190's.
I wouldn't recommend it to a new pilot as a plane to learn the game in , it's very restrictive , and really limits your opportunity to learn the various styles of fighting you will need to become a well rounded pilot .....just imo. To someone new I would always suggest , learn angles fighting first , then learn to Bnz , then put it all together and become proficient an all round E-fighter.
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when you can solve your angles in the a8, the better turn-fighters are easy ...
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If you can't live with this and do not want to take them aside to educate them towards your style of flying them maybe the DA is a better place for you all where there seems to be a "set" of rules that make you happy. Once again your choice.
lol, but I can live with it. I can also post here and make fun of the people that do that. Educate them? Really? You think they did not know what they were doing? Have you ever tried to talk to one of the know everything two weekers? Their most common answer is "Hey, if you don;t like it got to the DA where you can have your 'set' of rules". Wow, that sounds familiar :confused:
So, I don't like it, but I can talk about it. Ohh, hey, maybe if they cant live with us complaining about them, maybe they can go in the DA lake where they can have their own "set" of rules. Works both ways, no?
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lol, but I can live with it. ............................. ...
............................. ............................. ................Works both ways, no?
roger dodger - touche <S>
...cheers eh! :D
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Nice that you fly a "real man's" plane - good for you. Most people who fly it resort to a HO as their primary form of attack - I'm glad you don't.
I have fought both of these guys and they didn't "resort" to the HO, they went for it as first opportunity. I'm ambivalent about it. They fly a sturdy 4 cannon bird; few planes are more suited for HO'ing than the A/F 8's. *shrug*
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TOTAL FAIL!!! (with all due respect of course) :)
That which you refer to is REAL life and yes you CAN be killed - actually I make a habit of always double checking when going through a light - some absolute terrible drivers out there - :eek: - AND I've saved myself twice in the last year from some bozo running a light - go figure.
BUT here's my ponit : As we've been told repeatedly ad nauseum by the CircleFight Mafia....
NONE of this is REAL - it's just a cartoon.
You're not REALLY loosing a kill - NO ONE is being KILLED.
You're not REALLY killing yourself from shooting at 12 clearers. (killshooter) - if you want to be sure then next time stand up and see if you hurt anywhere or have any blood on you.
You're not REALLY crashing into the ground and blowing up - look around your room and see if there is any smoke or wreckage littering the floor.
The cartoon planes are FREE and you can get another cartoon one in an instant.
Now here is the BIGGEST FAIL that I see with some here.
Instead of actually doing something about it they just whine and bash others over the head about it. FAIL!!
Better to make an attempt to EDUCATE them instead of alienateing them - your choice.
THAT"S what many are referring to when they say "You just don't get it".
I believe you'll find many here with the view " change people minds not bash them over the head" actually agree with you (as I do) about how annoying this sort of game play is - but it goes with the concept of it being a air combat flight sim. One of lifes annoyances - suck it up. If you can't live with this and do not want to take them aside to educate them towards your style of flying them maybe the DA is a better place for you all where there seems to be a "set" of rules that make you happy. Once again your choice.
Not saying you in particualar - just saying. No one here is telling you how you have to play - just thowing out some alternatives - it's obvious your actions so far don't seem to work.
Can't hurt to try educating some of them - up to you sirs.
...cheers eh! :D
Non sequitur.
Awful lot of typing, considering.
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TOTAL FAIL!!! (with all due respect of course) :)
That which you refer to is REAL life and yes you CAN be killed - actually I make a habit of always double checking when going through a light - some absolute terrible drivers out there - :eek: - AND I've saved myself twice in the last year from some bozo running a light - go figure.
BUT here's my ponit : As we've been told repeatedly ad nauseum by the CircleFight Mafia....
NONE of this is REAL - it's just a cartoon.
You're not REALLY loosing a kill - NO ONE is being KILLED.
You're not REALLY killing yourself from shooting at 12 clearers. (killshooter) - if you want to be sure then next time stand up and see if you hurt anywhere or have any blood on you.
You're not REALLY crashing into the ground and blowing up - look around your room and see if there is any smoke or wreckage littering the floor.
The cartoon planes are FREE and you can get another cartoon one in an instant.
Now here is the BIGGEST FAIL that I see with some here.
Instead of actually doing something about it they just whine and bash others over the head about it. FAIL!!
Better to make an attempt to EDUCATE them instead of alienateing them - your choice.
THAT"S what many are referring to when they say "You just don't get it".
I believe you'll find many here with the view " change people minds not bash them over the head" actually agree with you (as I do) about how annoying this sort of game play is - but it goes with the concept of it being a air combat flight sim. One of lifes annoyances - suck it up. If you can't live with this and do not want to take them aside to educate them towards your style of flying them maybe the DA is a better place for you all where there seems to be a "set" of rules that make you happy. Once again your choice.
Not saying you in particualar - just saying. No one here is telling you how you have to play - just thowing out some alternatives - it's obvious your actions so far don't seem to work.
Can't hurt to try educating some of them - up to you sirs.
...cheers eh! :D
A whine has been recorded, eh. :lol
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A whine has been recorded, eh. :lol
Non sequitur.
Awful lot of typing, considering.
LOL - so you've just proved my point about the CircleFightMafia - all I did was use a lot of their rhetoric and retune it to this issue. - go figure eh! <shrug> :bolt:
....cheers eh! :D
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LOL - so you've just proved my point about the CircleFightMafia - all I did was use a lot of their rhetoric and retune it to this issue. - go figure eh! <shrug> :bolt:
....cheers eh! :D
Your post made my brain hurt as well. I started to reread it but had to stop as the immense pain returned.
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LOL - so you've just proved my point about the CircleFightMafia - all I did was use a lot of their rhetoric and retune it to this issue. - go figure eh! <shrug> :bolt:
....cheers eh! :D
I disagree.
What I think you did was make an attempt to confuse the issue into one you could defend against. To this end, you typed a rather lengthy and barely coherent account of your position which, after coming full "circle," has absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter supposedly being addressed.
Hence, non sequitur.
....cheers eh!
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It's your trigger. You choose to pull it...or not.
QFT
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I wonder what they would say if kill shooter was off. Would it still be my trigger? Would I still need to get a better SA after the trigger was pulled :rolleyes: (because you know, I can pull the bullets if I see that a friendly jumped in front after pulling it lol)
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I wonder what they would say if kill shooter was off. Would it still be my trigger? Would I still need to get a better SA after the trigger was pulled :rolleyes: (because you know, I can pull the bullets if I see that a friendly jumped in front after pulling it lol)
I think that is worth trying honetly. If you have a 'friendly' n00b that is on your 6 and firing away, that effect would be loss of ammo and it directly effects the n00b. Nothing would happen to you of course except of a good laugh. I think its worth a try.
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I think that is worth trying honetly. If you have a 'friendly' n00b that is on your 6 and firing away, that effect would be loss of ammo and it directly effects the n00b. Nothing would happen to you of course except of a good laugh. I think its worth a try.
If killshooter was off and he shot over your shoulder..... it would kill you if it hit you.
Killshooter is on default to combat grievers killing their own.
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You two need to start hanging out together :noid
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LOL - so you've just proved my point about the CircleFightMafia - all I did was use a lot of their rhetoric and retune it to this issue. - go figure eh! <shrug> :bolt:
....cheers eh! :D
I never made any reference, I only refered to your whine.
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Back to the point of this thread RE: For the New players ^
:old: This is a common problem in the world of flight Sims not just AH. :old:
Lets face it, we play this because were adrenaline junkies we like to hunt and kill :devil. Its a very basic instinct the "ID" so to speak.
Granted were only shooting pixels in a world of vectors.
But the physiological effect on our brains that simulators bring to the serface are real. :x
Therefore when we see a weak target we go for it by nature. :airplane:
If we didn't have the need to feed that Killer instinct we wouldn't be here... we would be picking flowers or playing Sim city. :angel:
We can share our food..... Like wolfs, we need to hunt as a pack.
Ever seen how wolfs hunt? One persues the others flank then they all share the food or the base in this case.
The thing I see wrong with kill jummping/shoulder shooting, wile another is in first position (on the guys six) is that it's a poor strategy :rolleyes:
Who is covering the other at this point? Nobody. It then turns into a dweeb train....
I'm no great ace, but I know a bit about team tactics...
What I like to do when I see my TEAM MATE on somebodies six is to go High and be his eyes in the sky.
I try to calm him down and let him know that he is safe and to take his time and relax ...Ill be his eyes so he can kill.
Most guys really appreciate that and it starts to pay forward building a much more cohesive team. As well as on-line comunity.
If I were to jump in on his target, both of our rear ends are hanging in the wind.... no cover.
What usually happen is the guy who was on the bandits six get his butt shot off by a picker and the shoulder shooter lives.
What I Feel Is the best Tactic is the LOOSE DUCE :airplane: :airplane:
If your on a guys Six and you over shoot then Say out and the guy covering will then call In and you alternate rolls . But to just dive in on another guys hard work is poor team play and a real bad tactic IMHO.
Use the Com's.. Communicate with your teamates.
That's the best advice I could give for the new guys for that situation. :aok
~S~ RaVe :bolt:
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SA includes friendly aircraft that may be in your firing line or whose firing line you may be in, and remember that a pilot can't see what is under the nose or wings of his aircraft ...
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If your on a guys Six and you over shoot then Say out and the guy covering will then call In and you alternate rolls . But to just dive in on another guys hard work is poor team play and a real bad tactic IMHO.
~S~ RaVe :bolt:
"IN" - hehehe - haven't seen that with any regularity since my early AW days :)
Most times it came on the buffer as "in in in!" or often "inininininininin" if you were hammer fisted like me - brings back memories
vox 2 nights ago:
Me "Betty you OK down there??" (she was engaged with a tiffie)
Betty "Ya - I'm Ok thanx tho" - (as she disappears beyond icon range)
30 seconds later:
Betty "Oh oh..um...I'm gonna die now!" (Looking low i see her surrounded by 4 cons)
Me "Will there be whiskey at the wake?"
Betty : "<chuckles> Of course!"
A sense of humour goes a long way in this game!!
....cheers eh! :D
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What I Feel Is the best Tactic is the LOOSE DUCE :airplane: :airplane:
How did Mussolini get in this thread? Was he a notorious womanizer?
Most times it came on the buffer as "in in in!" or often "inininininininin" if you were hammer fisted like me - brings back memories
"Mine. Mine. Mine." on local vox is the current, very annoying version.
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"IN" - hehehe - haven't seen that with any regularity since my early AW days :)
Most times it came on the buffer as "in in in!" or often "inininininininin" if you were hammer fisted like me - brings back memories
This happens to me often. somoene will be PM'ing me and I'll respond only with "inin" or 'I'm in". Usually I get a "huh?" I'll explain.... "I'm busy"
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If killshooter was off and he shot over your shoulder..... it would kill you if it hit you.
Killshooter is on default to combat grievers killing their own.
Let me clarify. Kill shoot is off with no damage to friendlies. Just like the TA.
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Although he's me squaddie, and I like heem ahight! Agent is spot on here!
I remember when I first started, and the "rush to get the kill before the other 9 greens get him" mentality was the rule of the day with me....
and then one time I was flying over the water to an enemy base, and there was this green fella fighting this red fella...and I dove in.... in my typhoon... and disintegrated the red guy right in front of the greens face.... out of nowhere I hear the green fella say, "Geesh, I had been fighting that guy for 10 minutes, why did you do that?" I didn't know why I did it. He said, "geesh newbs are so annoying" or something close to that.. and I felt genuinely bad about doing that... he made a point, even though I didn't understand why... The green guy was JB42. Later, after I started learning some acm's and consequently started really enjoying the challenge of testing my skills against a foe, I truly understood just how rude I was.... flying along, just 3 players in sight..... me, JB42, and the red fella, and I got the kill that he worked for...and in such a fashion as to leave me feeling cheap, like a thief, or a liar, in my comp chair, by myself, playing an online game.... it still stands out as a turning point of how I viewed the game. At any rate, it shows better teamwork to communicate with friendlies, and encourage them to be better(hard to do that when you can't even afford them the courtesy of finishing their own fight). If one lets themselves get so caught up in the red vs green, us vs them, at all cost.... we forget that not only are we stealing an opportunity from a friendly to have a good fight, we also steal that from the other community member that just so happens to be red... and yes, I have left fights alone and the red guy won, so I swooped down and splashed them...many times the greeny will thank me for letting him finish his fight(even though he lost)... the war will always be there, the scoring system's not going anywhere either, and there will be plenty of time for you to get your name in lights landing kills you did absolutely nothing to deserve, but butt in a fight and pull a trigger!
<S> Blooz
Mark
I do not if it is just me that feels this way, but you guys are totally blowing this out of porportion...\
Let me bring you back down to reality,...
This is a game, this is NOT LIFE, its a video game! You can tell me all day that its guys like me that ruin this sim, but in fact this is nothing more than a video game. Games are meant to be played in all shapes and forms, there is no wrong way or right way to play this game. If playing with ACM and courtesy is your way of fun then so be it, i dont mind that at all, but you cross the line when you tell other players how they should play the game they pay for.
Why must all of you tell other players who just want to shoot planes that they are playing the game wrong, to make it more fun for them? What if ACM is not their idea of fun? I sure do not tell you how to play a game, you play it how you want to and I will play it my way.
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I do not if it is just me that feels this way, but you guys are totally blowing this out of porportion...\
Let me bring you back down to reality,...
This is a game, this is NOT LIFE, its a video game! You can tell me all day that its guys like me that ruin this sim, but in fact this is nothing more than a video game. Games are meant to be played in all shapes and forms, there is no wrong way or right way to play this game. If playing with ACM and courtesy is your way of fun then so be it, i dont mind that at all, but you cross the line when you tell other players how they should play the game they pay for.
Why must all of you tell other players who just want to shoot planes that they are playing the game wrong, to make it more fun for them? What if ACM is not their idea of fun? I sure do not tell you how to play a game, you play it how you want to and I will play it my way.
I'll agree to this statement :P
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I'll agree to this statement :P
Im sure since the obvious message in my post had nothing to do with that, it in fact makes me wonder why you avoid the message altogether...
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Im sure since the obvious message in my post had nothing to do with that, it in fact makes me wonder why you avoid the message altogether...
Your message had nothing to do with SkyRock's post. Did you even read it? The only message I saw was "I'll do what I want". You want a medal?
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Your message had nothing to do with SkyRock's post. Did you even read it? The only message I saw was "I'll do what I want". You want a medal?
Incorrect, the message you are ignoring is the fact that its ridiculous that players think that their way of playing is the only correct form of playing a video game, and that everyone needs to play it their way in order to have fun.
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Incorrect, the message you are ignoring is the fact that its ridiculous that players think that their way of playing is the only correct form of playing a video game, and that everyone needs to play it their way in order to have fun.
Show me where SR told anyone how they should play in that post. Come down from that soap box before you fall off. :lol
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I do not if it is just me that feels this way, but you guys are totally blowing this out of porportion...\
Let me bring you back down to reality,...
This is a game, this is NOT LIFE, its a video game! You can tell me all day that its guys like me that ruin this sim, but in fact this is nothing more than a video game. Games are meant to be played in all shapes and forms, there is no wrong way or right way to play this game. If playing with ACM and courtesy is your way of fun then so be it, i dont mind that at all, but you cross the line when you tell other players how they should play the game they pay for.
Why must all of you tell other players who just want to shoot planes that they are playing the game wrong, to make it more fun for them? What if ACM is not their idea of fun? I sure do not tell you how to play a game, you play it how you want to and I will play it my way.
You are correct. It is only a game.
BUT, the last time I checked ALL games have rules. So if you were playing any sport or even something like chess would you would say to your opponent...there are no rules I can do anything I want...ill just jab you in the eye or move my king across all pieces and capture the queen in one move?
Secondly, no one who posted in this thread said anything about "rules". Only that one should consider things like respect for your fellow friendly and for your adversary. The message is about respecting people.
Speaking of real life. Well, it is REAL PEOPLE behind the cartoon plane. And some of those REAL PEOPLE like to play this game like any other. With certain sportsmanship and respect for your team mates and for your opponent.
These are very simple ideals that are accepted in any sport, contest or game.
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Speaking of real life. Well, it is REAL PEOPLE behind the cartoon plane. And some of those REAL PEOPLE like to play this game like any other. With certain sportsmanship and respect for your team mates and for your opponent.
These are very simple ideals that are accepted in any sport, contest or game.
shouldn't sportsmanship and respect also be extended to venues like the BBs and ch200/all,
and to players who may approach the game differently ...
i mean if you are sincere about the quote above anyway ...
i think they should ...
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I wonder how many new players are actually reading this. :rofl.
semp
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shouldn't sportsmanship and respect also be extended to venues like the BBs and ch200/all,
and to players who may approach the game differently ...
i mean if you are sincere about the quote above anyway ...
i think they should ...
Most cetainly we should.
But we are only human (REAL PEOPLE) and we do at times loose our patience and temper. Just like in sports, contests and games.
This is inevitable. We will clash and get called on a foul or have a heated moment.
The message is to at the very least TRY to have some sportsmanship.
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I wonder how many new players are actually reading this. :rofl.
semp
It doesn't matter.
Mostly veteran players are posting here.
The message is not only about sportsmanship but also about showing these ideals to new players when a vet has a chance to do so.
The simple "hey u need help...your six is clear...kill em" or mabey "long contact coming in i will try to intercept"...kind of comments to all new players will go a loooonnng way to cluing them in.
How else would they know...most likely not from reading this thread or any other for that matter.
The reality is that the new players only learn from example. Show a bad example and that's what they will do. Show a good example and they will follow that.
Positive reinforcement is WAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY more effective than negative reinforcement.
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with agent on his last couple of posts ...
it is better to be better to each other, everywhere.
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It doesn't matter.
Mostly veteran players are posting here.
The message is not only about sportsmanship but also about showing these ideals to new players when a vet has a chance to do so.
The simple "hey u need help...your six is clear...kill em" or mabey "long contact coming in i will try to intercept"...kind of comments to all new players will go a loooonnng way to cluing them in.
How else would they know...most likely not from reading this thread or any other for that matter.
The reality is that the new players only learn from example. Show a bad example and that's what they will do. Show a good example and they will follow that.
Positive reinforcement is WAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY more effective than negative reinforcement.
Amen.
A good example tonight. Came across ace pilot fighting Drex in a Spit IX on the deck. A couple of us asked if he wanted help. He said no. I hung above the fight which turned out to be a knock down drag out turning fight that was fun to watch. I said on 200 that the 38 was out and just watching Finally ace pilot went down. <S> back and forth between the two pilots. The Spit driver was out of ammo. The 38 driver then said have a nice trip back and the Spit rtb'd.
There were numerous other examples of guys asking before they went into a fight as they didn't want to steal a kill from the guy who was doing all the work. It made for a fun night. A bit of mutual respect and understanding how we play the game has an impact on more then just ourselves can make a huge impact on the fun for everyone.
How the oldtimers set the tone, and play the game, makes all the difference.
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When I first started playing this game a couple of years back, I did not know what I went to at all.. I found this ad for AH, thought 'wow WW2 planes, cool' and in I went for my 2week trial..
Well in my cockpit I started figuring out how to get this thing off the ground and start killing some planes.. I went to Bish runway in the DA to get my action, and was hungry for some kills.. If I have been left alone continuing doing what I was about to, I would probably have been flying like a maniac, hoing and shooting all over the place.. That's how you play most other games online..
But in here it did not take long before a couple of guys started to help me out, as I found the chatbox and started asking about what HOing ment, and why people got mad at me for killing them.. :uhoh
I want to give my thanx to 67Yankee for helping me out in the start, there was a couple of others too but I can't remember their names right now. :frown:
While I am at it I also want to give my thanx to a guy called Longbawd wich I have not seen again since then, but he was really helpful with giving me alot of good info on how to play this game. He took his time to give me the basic understanding of how to do some ACM moves, and set a few days off just to help me out getting started! Big <Salute> to these guys! :salute
Its just small things, but I am sure these little things helped putting me on the right track and getting an understanding about how this game is not just a game.. Its really a place for good friends to hang out and have fun, and as long as you play by the 'rules' you get included into the big family real quick! :aok :salute
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How the oldtimers set the tone, and play the game, makes all the difference.
I think a lot of the old timers are tired of trying to change the AH world and have picked up the manta, 'if you can't beat em, join em'. I'm not an old timer, but unless I know who the other guy is, that is how I run it.
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Read the original post. It's all about a person that killshoots himself, gets mad, then runs here screaming at the "new guys" to stay out of his way.
The third post is mine explaining how to avoid the killshoot situation and be able to stay effective in the fight.
I still don't understand why you guys are trying to turn this thread into some excersize in "ettiqette" thinking you can force people to fly "properly" when all it really is is a thread on how to survive the killshooter scenario.
When someone gets between you and the target, it's already happened. You can't change that. He's there. Now what are going to do? That's the question and I've given the correct answer several times. I haven't changed my stance one bit. It's the correct procedure to survive that situation. It doesn't take fancy flying. It doesn't take a Phd in aeronautics. It only takes some situational awareness and a little trigger discipline.
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Read the original post. It's all about a person that killshoots himself, gets mad, then runs here screaming at the "new guys" to stay out of his way.
The third post is mine explaining how to avoid the killshoot situation and be able to stay effective in the fight.
I still don't understand why you guys are trying to turn this thread into some excersize in "ettiqette" thinking you can force people to fly "properly" when all it really is is a thread on how to survive the killshooter scenario.
When someone gets between you and the target, it's already happened. You can't change that. He's there. Now what are going to do? That's the question and I've given the correct answer several times. I haven't changed my stance one bit. It's the correct procedure to survive that situation. It doesn't take fancy flying. It doesn't take a Phd in aeronautics. It only takes some situational awareness and a little trigger discipline.
Blooz, you are trying to turn this thread in a positive direction, so I have no choice but to say....
Hee hee hee, Hee hee hee - He said discipline... :D
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Read the original post. It's all about a person that killshoots himself, gets mad, then runs here screaming at the "new guys" to stay out of his way.
The third post is mine explaining how to avoid the killshoot situation and be able to stay effective in the fight.
I still don't understand why you guys are trying to turn this thread into some excersize in "ettiqette" thinking you can force people to fly "properly" when all it really is is a thread on how to survive the killshooter scenario.
Youre surprised that, after sixteen pages, a thread has taken a turn along a related path?
Heck... we could start a thread about bewbies and it would turn into a discussion about how to conserve fuel at 35K within sixteen posts.
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Youre surprised that, after sixteen pages, a thread has taken a turn along a related path?
Heck... we could start a thread about boobies and it would turn into a discussion about how to conserve fuel at 35K within sixteen posts.
boobies? where? :devil
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boobies? where? :devil
At Angles Three Five, of course!
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I do not if it is just me that feels this way, but you guys are totally blowing this out of porportion...\
Let me bring you back down to reality,...
This is a game, this is NOT LIFE, its a video game! You can tell me all day that its guys like me that ruin this sim, but in fact this is nothing more than a video game. Games are meant to be played in all shapes and forms, there is no wrong way or right way to play this game. If playing with ACM and courtesy is your way of fun then so be it, i dont mind that at all, but you cross the line when you tell other players how they should play the game they pay for.
Why must all of you tell other players who just want to shoot planes that they are playing the game wrong, to make it more fun for them? What if ACM is not their idea of fun? I sure do not tell you how to play a game, you play it how you want to and I will play it my way.
No law/rule says you have to hold a door open for a lady either. Make your own choice, high road or the low road. Don't blame the community for judging you though.
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No law/rule says you have to hold a door open for a lady either. Make your own choice, high road or the low road. Don't blame the community for judging you though.
hehehe - these days "holding the door" rule will be considered the low road by many women. You're dating yourself shuffler - I go back to that era too - can remember the 1st time I got dressed down by a young thing 20 years my junior for "helping her". :rolleyes:
I am still kinda in favour of the "women 1st rule" tho - especially in mine fields!!
....cheers eh! :D
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I think a lot of the old timers are tired of trying to change the AH world and have picked up the manta, 'if you can't beat em, join em'. I'm not an old timer, but unless I know who the other guy is, that is how I run it.
I think you'd agree that this is just as powerful a message from the old timers that anything goes, and all the talk is just that...talk.
I think that speaks more to burn out then anything else. If the game is getting to the point where it's frustrating and you find yourself playing it angry or fed up, it's probably time to step away for a bit and get perspective back.
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Perspective? Methinks that is a fitty cent word that some of the young ones need to look up in a Funk and Wagnals ;)
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I've been the 'victim' too many times of new guys diving in front of me to engage a target I'm already shooting at. The last time he managed to shoot down the enemy while I shot down myself because he rudely parked his plane in front of mine. This effect is called killshooter. If you fire at your own team, you take damage.
New guys please show some courtesy. If I need help, I'll ask for it. Don't just dive in front and 'steal' the kill.
For the new players...
If you can kill the guy I'm on faster than me go ahead.
I'll salute you and carry on the mission.
You'll save us time, fuel and ammo!
Keep up the good work!
I have quoted the 1st post of this thread, Blooz........ FBGrave is being very considerate in explaining to "NEW PLAYERS" how killshooter works and is not being sarcastic at all..at the same time he is sending out a good proper message
now, Blooz, I have quoted your 1st post....it is an exact opposite sarcastic "hey FBGrave, up yours attitude" reply telling the "NEW PLAYERS" hey anything is ok, do not listen to the first poster that is trying to explain how killshooter works.....
Blooz, if that is how you feel, and by the looks of your last reply to this thread refering to your 1st reply...... then you Sir are part of the reason these threads come up.all because of the message you are sending out... which is to ignore game play of everyone around you and to hell with what others think....this is my $14.95+/- and I don't have to listen to noone.....
so keep on telling the "NEW PLAYERS" exactly what you typed in your 1st reply....and keep on getting those NEW PLAYERS bad reps with others in the game.....
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hehehe - these days "holding the door" rule will be considered the low road by many women. You're dating yourself shuffler - I go back to that era too - can remember the 1st time I got dressed down by a young thing 20 years my junior for "helping her". :rolleyes:
I am still kinda in favour of the "women 1st rule" tho - especially in mine fields!!
....cheers eh! :D
Yes... but I said lady... if she gave you a dressing down for assisting her then she was no lady.
I have a simple reply for those types too.... "Oh I'm sorry miss, I thought you were a lady".
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Yes... but I said lady... if she gave you a dressing down for assisting her then she was no lady.
I have a simple reply for those types too.... "Oh I'm sorry miss, I thought you were a lady".
hehe some of yoose guys is no ladies ...
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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I think you'd agree that this is just as powerful a message from the old timers that anything goes, and all the talk is just that...talk.
I think that speaks more to burn out then anything else. If the game is getting to the point where it's frustrating and you find yourself playing it angry or fed up, it's probably time to step away for a bit and get perspective back.
"As I grow older, I pay less attention to what men say. I just watch what they do."
--Andrew Carnegie
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"IN" - hehehe - haven't seen that with any regularity since my early AW days :)
Most times it came on the buffer as "in in in!" or often "inininininininin" if you were hammer fisted like me - brings back memories
vox 2 nights ago:
Me "Betty you OK down there??" (she was engaged with a tiffie)
Betty "Ya - I'm Ok thanx tho" - (as she disappears beyond icon range)
30 seconds later:
Betty "Oh oh..um...I'm gonna die now!" (Looking low i see her surrounded by 4 cons)
Me "Will there be whiskey at the wake?"
Betty : "<chuckles> Of course!"
A sense of humour goes a long way in this game!!
....cheers eh! :D
i agree! u have to have a good sense of humor to play AH, some people take it way to serious! i just like to have fun! and i remember u askin bout the whiskey at the wake! hell yeahhhhhhhzzz there will be! :)
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I have quoted the 1st post of this thread, Blooz........ FBGrave is being very considerate in explaining to "NEW PLAYERS" how killshooter works and is not being sarcastic at all..at the same time he is sending out a good proper message
now, Blooz, I have quoted your 1st post....it is an exact opposite sarcastic "hey FBGrave, up yours attitude" reply telling the "NEW PLAYERS" hey anything is ok, do not listen to the first poster that is trying to explain how killshooter works.....
Blooz, if that is how you feel, and by the looks of your last reply to this thread refering to your 1st reply...... then you Sir are part of the reason these threads come up.all because of the message you are sending out... which is to ignore game play of everyone around you and to hell with what others think....this is my $14.95+/- and I don't have to listen to noone.....
so keep on telling the "NEW PLAYERS" exactly what you typed in your 1st reply....and keep on getting those NEW PLAYERS bad reps with others in the game.....
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then.
If you're going to teach the "new players" anything , teach them to help without getting in the way. Air combat is a team sport. These things happen and always will as long as killshooter is on. You're assuming the "new player" did this on purpose to "steal a kill". There is no evidence of this, of course. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that this was an accident and he was trying to help (which is the right thing to do, btw). Either way, the fact is, had the OP kept his cool and held his fire he wouldn't have killed himself. To teach the "new player" to be "lone wolf" is wrong. Teach them to be effective TEAM players and teach them not to shoot green icons. Remember. Only YOU can prevent killshooter.
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I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then.
If you're going to teach the "new players" anything , teach them to help without getting in the way. Air combat is a team sport. These things happen and always will as long as killshooter is on. You're assuming the "new player" did this on purpose to "steal a kill". There is no evidence of this, of course. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that this was an accident and he was trying to help (which is the right thing to do, btw). Either way, the fact is, had the OP kept his cool and held his fire he wouldn't have killed himself. To teach the "new player" to be "lone wolf" is wrong. Teach them to be effective TEAM players and teach them not to shoot green icons. Remember. Only YOU can prevent killshooter.
Blooz,
with your above post, I find nothing to really disagree with,
this post of yours to me is exactly the type of post I would have expected you to post to begin with.......
no worries...... :cheers: ( edit: I misread the green icons part.thought it said red icons, my bad )
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Being fairly new to this game, though I played a lot of Airwarrior back when AOL offered it, I am about playing the game and the game is a team oriented game just as the real war was. If you are only interested in kills and aircombat go to the dueling arena and you won't have to sweat someone stealing "your" kill. I will certainly back off if someone asks but in the heat of battle I have never heard anyone call off other attackers and I certainly never would. I have been on both ends of the issue and for me it's a none issue. For instance I attacked a b-24 head on last night and did not realize until passing him (after inflicting critical damage) that someone was right on his tail. Don't know if I hit the friendly or not or if I took his kill, attacking these bombers from the rear is pretty much suicide anyways, the point being I may have stolen this guys or galls kill but I had no way of knowing he was there and no time to worry about it as the field was just a couple of clicks to my 6 so the game comes first and that means protecting the field. I have had similar scenarios in a dog fight where stopping the boagie meant I might be stealing a kill but maybe I stopped a vulch of the field (which means I have one more fighter up helping hold back the attempt to capture the field) or helped a bomber get clear of or to the field on the way out or in, regardless I down the boagie first worry about points second. Bottom line the game comes first and the game is to capture and defend territory. If you're around me and you have a shot...take it, might be the difference between loosing or taking a field and for me that's really all the matters.
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There's a huge difference between the incidents you are describing - in a dogfight or when multiple players are attacking the same bombers - and a group of 3 or 4 players deliberately clearing someone's 12 at the point when they've won the fight, when there's no one else around, as the OP was describing.
Personally, I usually ask, because I'm both a cautious pilot and a selfish - if you're not in trouble down there, I don't want to blow the alt.
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