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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: smoe on January 20, 2010, 04:47:10 PM
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I was wondering if anyone had any opinions about the effects of engine hits on the 262 or 234? If a turbojet engine were hit by enemy rounds I would expect a little more damage then a slow 5-10 minute oil leak without engine thrust loss (do turbojets really have a large amount of oil?). I would expect damage like broken compressor blades, holes in the compressor housing, fuel leaks, thrust loss, or all of the above. If a turbojet engine were to sustain any hits a catastrophic engine fire would be very likely. A way to stop the engine fire would be to turn off the engine quick and/or cut the off the fuel. I don't believe these jet engines were armor plated so any bullet through the compressor blades, fuel combustion chamber, or fuel lines would be very, very bad.
Also, on a slightly different subject, wouldn't the ME163 be more than likely to explode when taking hits. I've seen a few 163's downed, but only because of loosing a control surface or two.
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The first thing to go in the 234 if you get hit is the engine oil, 99% of the time. Please spare us something. :)
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I was wondering if anyone had any opinions about the effects of engine hits on the 262 or 234? If a turbojet engine were hit by enemy rounds I would expect a little more damage then a slow 5-10 minute oil leak without engine thrust loss (do turbojets really have a large amount of oil?). I would expect damage like broken compressor blades, holes in the compressor housing, fuel leaks, thrust loss, or all of the above. If a turbojet engine were to sustain any hits a catastrophic engine fire would be very likely. A way to stop the engine fire would be to turn off the engine quick and/or cut the off the fuel. I don't believe these jet engines were armor plated so any bullet through the compressor blades, fuel combustion chamber, or fuel lines would be very, very bad.
Also, on a slightly different subject, wouldn't the ME163 be more than likely to explode when taking hits. I've seen a few 163's downed, but only because of loosing a control surface or two.
Google on how even a simple Turbo charger works, then google how a Turbojet works. Of course THEY USED OIL.
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A turbojet engine has plenty of fuel lines that would be hard to miss.
A couple of links backing up fuel fires on a turbojet engines:
http://pilotsandprofiles.blogspot.com/2008/10/colonel-joseph-peterburs.html (http://pilotsandprofiles.blogspot.com/2008/10/colonel-joseph-peterburs.html)
On 10 April 1945 the Group was escorting 450+ b-17s to targets in Oranienburg an area near Berlin. Just as the bombers were unloading, a swarm of Me 262 turbojets hit the formation. Lt. Peterburs was flying high cover and saw a 262 slicing through the B-17s. Before he could latch on to the 262 he had blown 4 B-17s out of the sky, 2 of which Peterburs saw him destroy. Peterburs had considerable altitude advantage and pulled into the 262s 6 0’clock with his six .50 calibers blazing. Peterburs saw hits and smoke on the 262s left wing and engine but broke off the chase when the 262 entered a cloud bank. 60 years later Peterburs found out that the damage he inflicted on the Me 262 resulted in the engine disintegrating and the pilot bailing out. The pilot of the Me 262 was Oberleunant Walter Schuck, a top German Ace with 206 confirmed air victories.
Link: http://www.avsim.com/pages/1008/FlightReplica/Me262.htm (http://www.avsim.com/pages/1008/FlightReplica/Me262.htm)
They were also prone to catch fire when shot.
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A turbojet engine has plenty of fuel lines that would be hard to miss.
A couple of links backing up fuel fires on a turbojet engines:
http://pilotsandprofiles.blogspot.com/2008/10/colonel-joseph-peterburs.html (http://pilotsandprofiles.blogspot.com/2008/10/colonel-joseph-peterburs.html)
Link: http://www.avsim.com/pages/1008/FlightReplica/Me262.htm (http://www.avsim.com/pages/1008/FlightReplica/Me262.htm)
That would be sweet if you could come up with the coding to include very random damage. I'm sure HTC would appreciate it. Fact is, Oil is needed.
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ok, here is the complicated coding:
Engine Hit:
- 99% Engine fire balls and brings down plane.
- 1% Engine oil leak, same as-is.
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ok, here is the complicated coding:
Engine Hit:
- 99% Engine fire balls and brings down plane.
- 1% Engine oil leak, same as-is.
Wouldn't it be awesome if there was an easy button, because you wanted a certain plane to go down at any given second?
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But Jay there is an easy button...
Its on top of that stick thingy :D :D
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2087/1817667756_236216a02b.jpg?v=0)
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But Jay there is an easy button...
Its on top of that stick thingy :D :D
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2087/1817667756_236216a02b.jpg?v=0)
:rofl :rofl
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Google on how even a simple Turbo charger works, then google how a Turbojet works. Of course THEY USED OIL.
The OP's comment was not whether turbojet's use oil. Of course they do. He was questioning whether they carried a lot of oil, and why in-game the oil tank is often hit but the engine itself survives. Here's some comparative info:
Jumo 004 oil capacity = 3 gallons
R-2800 oil capacity (P-47) = 28.6 gallons
The oil tank/cooler on the Jumo is located in the front cowling, so it stands to reason that it would get hit alot from the front (HO's and buff gunners), but it's hard to believe that the engine itself would survive as much as it appears to in-game. Early turbojets don't exhibit the kind of damage tolerance that say, a big Pratt radial does, where you can lose a piston and just see a loss in power. They typically just tear themselves apart real quick.
Regarding the 163, I believe the OP is also correct. Given the "belligerence" :D the T-Stoff & C-Stoff had for each other, I'd expect relatively minor damage to the fuselage to be fatal in almost all cases.