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Title: Its all true, I read it in black and white!
Post by: juzz on May 03, 2000, 02:26:00 AM: I read all these 100% truthful statements about American and British planes in a 1943 book called "War Wings".

Brewster Buffalo: "One of the best shipboard Navy fighters is the F2A-3."

P-36: "The French stated that they were definitely superior to anything the Germans used against them."

P-40: "In North Africa, the plane is said to have rolled up a twelve-to-one victory score."

P-38: "Engineers quietly estimate the top speed, under ideal conditions, at between 540 and 580mph."

Boulton-Paul Defiant: "It was first used during the Norwegian campaign and did much to slow the German Panzerdivisions..."

Fairey Fulmar: "...one of the Fleet Air Arms fastest fighters."

Hawker Hurricane: "...in combat it has been proved that this machine is better for air fighting than anything the Germans have yet been able to produce."
"Further, it has been demonstrated that the Hurricane is not limited to he 335mph usually claimed for it, for on a 327-mile ferrying hop from Edinburgh to Northolt a Hurricane averaged 407mph, covering the distance in 48 minutes."

Martin Maryland (Top speed, 310mph): "...is faster than the Nazi Messerschmitt Me. 109 below 6000ft."

Westland Lysander: "It is further said to have shown its superiority over Germany's Messerschmitt 109 in combat. It has a much slower speed than that Nazi plane and is therefore able to make shorter turns and thus gain the advantage."
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Post by: Hristo on May 03, 2000, 05:19:00 AM: Great book !! Where can I get it ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: Its all true, I read it in black and white!
Post by: funked on May 03, 2000, 06:39:00 AM: LOL Juzz!

YUP

I have learned the hard way - don't believe everything you read!

However most of these statements are correct. Let me explain.

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Brewster Buffalo: "One of the best shipboard Navy fighters is the F2A-3."

Yes the high-performance Buffalo was light years ahead of such rockets as the Grumman F2F.

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P-36: "The French stated that they were definitely superior to anything the Germans used against them."

I agree, the Hawks were far superior at littering the landscape with debris than were the German fighters.

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P-40: "In North Africa, the plane is said to have rolled up a twelve-to-one victory score."

Yes, on one sortie a flight of Warhawks ran into a flock of birds, killing 12 of them. However one of the Warhawks was forced to crash land due to bird damage.

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P-38: "Engineers quietly estimate the top speed, under ideal conditions, at between 540 and 580mph."

Yes, and the ideal conditions are 3 seconds before the plane impacts the terrain in a vertical dive after the pilot has lost pitch control due to Mach tuck, and the props have run away.

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Boulton-Paul Defiant: "It was first used during the Norwegian campaign and did much to slow the German Panzerdivisions..."

Yes, the wreckage of Defiants fell upon several roadways, forcing the Panzers to detour.

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Fairey Fulmar: "...one of the Fleet Air Arms fastest fighters."

Indeed, the Fulmar outruns even the speedy Fairey Firefly.

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Hawker Hurricane: "...in combat it has been proved that this machine is better for air fighting than anything the Germans have yet been able to produce."
"Further, it has been demonstrated that the Hurricane is not limited to he 335mph usually claimed for it, for on a 327-mile ferrying hop from Edinburgh to Northolt a Hurricane averaged 407mph, covering the distance in 48 minutes."

Absolutely correct. However the writer failed to mention that the Hurricane was being carried in the cargo bay of a C-141 at the time.

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Martin Maryland (Top speed, 310mph): "...is faster than the Nazi Messerschmitt Me. 109 below 6000ft."

Like the P-38, the Maryland can achieve amazing speeds once those pesky drag-inducing wings have been blown off.

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Westland Lysander: "It is further said to have shown its superiority over Germany's Messerschmitt 109 in combat. It has a much slower speed than that Nazi plane and is therefore able to make shorter turns and thus gain the advantage."

Again, completely true. However the pesky Germans have invented a new air superiority aircraft even slower than the Lysander, able to make slow speed turns even more tightly: The dreaded Fiesler Storch.

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Title: Its all true, I read it in black and white!
Post by: Vermillion on May 03, 2000, 07:59:00 AM: LOL!!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

Oh my GOD funked, I dont' think I have laughed that hard for weeks.

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Nice Post Juzz !

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Title: Its all true, I read it in black and white!
Post by: juzz on May 03, 2000, 08:08:00 AM: Something else that I found in that book was a plane called the Martin B-26 Martian. Here's a drawing of the crew of that fine plane.

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In a typical US government coverup after the war, the name was changed to Marauder to avoid suspicion.

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Post by: leonid on May 04, 2000, 06:33:00 AM: Ooh, so that's where those smilie faces come from.

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Title: Its all true, I read it in black and white!
Post by: StSanta on May 04, 2000, 09:14:00 AM: ROFLMAO

funked, a classic dude (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

You need to post "don't drink Coca Cola while reading this" warnings - my monitor is covered with gooey stuff now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: Its all true, I read it in black and white!
Post by: funked on May 04, 2000, 09:51:00 AM: Hehehe I could not have done it if Juzz had not chosen such ripe quotes from that excellent reference text. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Title: Its all true, I read it in black and white!
Post by: MANDOBLE on May 04, 2000, 11:33:00 AM: I'm just laying on the floor without breath trying to get a phone to call a doc... you almost killed me funked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Post by: jmccaul on May 04, 2000, 02:10:00 PM: If the P38 is not given it's true top speed of 580 mph i will be quitting the game in disgust.

Please don't try and show me different more reliable sources as this comes from my only book on WW2 AC and it is the truth. Stating otherwise is a burning offence.
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Post by: Spoons - SimHQ on May 04, 2000, 02:17:00 PM: >quote:
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Boulton-Paul Defiant: "It was first used during the Norwegian campaign and did much to slow the German Panzerdivisions..."
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>Yes, the wreckage of Defiants fell upon several roadways, forcing the Panzers to detour.

That's priceless. Well done. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

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Title: Its all true, I read it in black and white!
Post by: funked on July 15, 2000, 12:42:00 AM: PUNT! Certain Robert Conrad worshippers have been abusing wartime anectdotes again...
Title: Its all true, I read it in black and white!
Post by: JENG on July 15, 2000, 09:21:00 AM: ROFLOL FUNKED... realy liked the "topspeed of the P38 under Ideal conditions" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

MORE MORE MORE... CLAP CLAP CLAP

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Title: Its all true, I read it in black and white!
Post by: Nashwan on July 15, 2000, 01:26:00 PM: Quote
Further, it has been demonstrated that the Hurricane is not limited to he 335mph usually claimed for it, for on a 327-mile ferrying hop from Edinburgh to Northolt a Hurricane averaged 407mph, covering the distance in 48 minutes
That one is actually true.
It happened on the 10th Feb 1938, piloted by Squadron Leader Gillan. There was a tail wind of around 100mph
Title: Its all true, I read it in black and white!
Post by: RAM on July 15, 2000, 02:19:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Nashwan:
There was a tail wind of around 100mph

Induced by Karnak, Funked, Fdski, Mx22,Bikekil, Fariz... etc... all blowing after the Hurricane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) so they could claim that the hurricane was undermodelled (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

J/K (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Post by: funked on July 16, 2000, 02:21:00 AM: No I think the speed increase was due to all the hot air being expelled by the Luftwaffles complaining about the Spit XIV. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Title: Its all true, I read it in black and white!
Post by: Major Tom on July 20, 2000, 04:19:00 AM: It's downright amazing the top airspeeds one can come up with using a simple E6B and heavy turbulence.
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Post by: Wanker on July 20, 2000, 08:16:00 AM: LOL! This thread is a classic. Thanks everyone! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)